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daftykinsmysqld is top of top (tee-hee) at 13.7% mem used 0o00:00
diddledanthat's 60MB for mysqld?00:01
daftykinslooking at some google results they're talking about tweaking some settings00:01
daftykinshttp://askubuntu.com/questions/534793/mysqld-is-suddenly-taking-too-much-memory-and-my-laptop-is-getting-hotter00:02
diddledannow speaking of rams - why are all the search server things (namely elasticsearch and solr) based on java?!00:02
ali1234java is hugely popular in that space00:02
diddledanindeed00:02
diddledansurely someone's ported lucene elesewhere tho?00:02
ali1234probaly because those things are always going to be big and complicated and require huge teams to build00:03
ali1234and that is where java excels00:03
diddledanI guess00:03
diddledanwhat I don't get tho, to tie in to elasticsearch there's the logstash thing, which is written in ruby, and run with jruby because JAVA00:03
ali1234i couldn't eve figure out how to set up either of those two search tools00:04
diddledanI just can't work out why you'd take ruby and run it in java00:04
ali1234because the developers write a huge complicated server thing that nobody can understand using java00:05
ali1234and then devops writes a bunch of scripts to make it usable in ruby00:05
ali1234then those scripts get folded back into the project00:05
diddledanthat's just it tho - logstash is essentially completely separate00:05
ali1234yes, exactly00:05
diddledanit talks to logstash via http00:06
diddledanerm00:06
diddledanlogstash talks to elastic00:06
ali1234if you have a full java stack where everything is written in java, you probably don't want to set up a whole parallel infrastructure to run ruby things00:06
ali1234you're just going to make it run on what you alread have00:07
ali1234all of this stuff boils down to lazyness in the end :)00:07
diddledanlol00:07
daftykinshttp://www.tocker.ca/2014/03/10/configuring-mysql-to-use-minimal-memory.html00:08
daftykinsthis seems handy00:08
daftykinsooh neat that cut it nicely00:16
diddledanoh poo00:17
daftykins170MB at boot \o/00:17
diddledansamba 4 active directory: "The internal DNS backend currently needs a restart of Samba to take effect. See bug report #9404"00:17
diddledanspecifically when you add a new dns zone00:17
daftykinsthat a problem to restart?00:17
diddledanit's annoying to remember00:18
diddledandifferent interface00:18
diddledanI'm using freenas right now as my dc00:19
diddledanmeans to restart samba I need to go to the webadmin and find the right button and flip it00:19
daftykins76MB free instead of 7MB :D00:20
diddledanit isn't obvious that you need to restart it because records in already created zones reload fine when changed or added00:20
diddledanbut new zones need a restart00:20
daftykinsfunky!00:20
diddledanit's made even weirder because there's two backends for dns - an internal-to-samba one or an optional bind plugin called bind-dlz - the latter one does NOT require any restarts for new zones00:22
diddledanconfused yet?00:22
daftykinstotally00:22
diddledanmaybe I should suggest freenas move over to use bind :-p00:22
daftykinsyou had me lost at using a domain *whistle*00:23
daftykins:D00:23
* diddledan blows raspberries00:23
diddledanmmpie00:23
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knightwisemorning peeps05:12
zmoylan-pio/05:20
MooDoomorning all06:59
knightwisemorning MooDoo diddledan07:28
knightwisemorning diplo07:28
diddledanallo07:28
knightwisehacked a tupperware box into a case for my raspberry pi2 :)07:30
knightwiseFinally a good use for that tupperware evening i had to sit through last year07:30
knightwisedoes the latest Ubuntu image still fit on a cd ?07:38
diddledannope07:38
SuperMatthasn't done for a while07:38
knightwiseok07:40
knightwise29 inch ultrawide monitor is realy handy :)07:44
knightwiseGot an elementary vm running side by side with a browser ...07:44
diddledanyeah, that would be nice07:44
knightwisetransition between the native os and elementary vm is so smooth the whole vm just feels like just another app window07:45
diploGood morning all!07:54
knightwise hey diplo07:59
knightwisehmm. just saw that you can run popcorn time on the raspberry pi2 :) Worth looking at07:59
diploI'm dubious about popcorn time :)08:09
diploI'd love to have everything that is available via torrents on a netflix style thing, would even pay £20-30 a month for it instead of the netflix £6 but it's never going to happen08:10
popeypopcorn time is just a pretty interface to torrents, that's all08:11
knightwisepopey: indeed08:11
knightwiseand its DAMN handy :)08:11
diployeah I know, but doesn't netflix use some sort of p2p to share some bandwith as well08:12
diploJapans Maglev train hit a new world record, 375MPH !!08:14
popeyno08:16
popeynetflix has a large content delivery network08:16
davmor2diplo: Netflix uses Ubuntu on Amazon Cloud as I understand it08:18
TwistedLucidityknightwise: But one is still subject to the legal impacts, no?08:22
diploah right, I thought I read somewhere a while ago they used some of your bandwidth to.. probably something else :)08:22
knightwiseTwistedLucidity: true.08:22
diddledanI'm getting silly with my network08:22
diddledanI've now got an amazon virtual private cloud subnet vpning to home and home vpning to several other servers and them all sharing routing info via bgp08:23
diddledanI honestly don't really understand it but it's working08:23
TwistedLucidityWith Sony strong-arming Netflix, HBO Now cutting off VPN users...it's lioke peolpe don't understand that a global network is, well, *GLOBAL*. Trying to impose geopgraphic restrictions makes little sense.08:24
TwistedLucidityGetting annoyed at people using VPNs to access cheaper/blocked content also makes little sense - that's simply the free-marketing correcting itself.08:24
TwistedLuciditydiddledan: A home VPN is pretty nifty. Great for tunneling over free WiFi to avoid the snooping08:25
diddledanTwistedLucidity: my plan is to be able to vpn into my home network and instantly get access to all my servers via their private-space ip addresses (my vpc has dev servers that aren't exposed to the world)08:26
diploah just googled it, they were looking to employ someone to implement p2p technology in their product mid last year08:27
diddledandiplo: that probably won't work in the browser tho?08:27
knightwisediddledan: why not use Shuttle ?08:27
knightwisesshuttle08:27
diddledanshuttle?08:28
diploProbably not, it was a job posting... so realy detail08:28
diploso really no detail*08:28
knightwisevpn over ssh , you can tunnel all your traffic thrpooufh one point into your network08:29
diddledanthat's not layer3 tho08:29
knightwiseits a socks5 proxy08:30
knightwisewell ,its a little more then that08:30
diddledanyeah I want routing08:30
diddledanand auto config08:30
diddledane.g. if I add another subnet it will magically appear on all my connected systems' routing tables08:31
diddledan(bgp is what the big boys use)08:32
knightwisethat i dont know08:32
diddledanthe majority of the internet's backbone relies on the same tech I'm using08:32
foobarrycat before the internet: http://shop.bl.uk/mall/productpage.cfm/BritishLibrary/_ISBN_9780712358187/-/Medieval-Cats-%28hardback%2908:35
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.08:39
TwistedLucidityHad cause to try out OSMC (the new RaspBMC) on a B+ Pi last night; rather neat it is too.08:41
TwistedLucidityBased off of Debain so, unlike on OpenElec, I could install Perl and have get_iplayer.cgi running.08:42
TwistedLucidityIt's maybe a wee bitty slower than OpenElec, but I can't see that making much odds on a Pi 2.08:43
TwistedLucidityOnly negative I can think of is the Kodi skin. Looks very Windows and the menus are vertical; which is (IMHO) dumb on a TV that is wider than it is tall.08:44
TwistedLucidityCheck it out if you want: https://osmc.tv/08:44
awilkinsAnnoyance : why does libegl1-mesa:i386 depend on libwayland-server0:i386 ??08:53
awilkinsOr do I just have a borked up apt database?08:53
* awilkins does apt-get update08:54
awilkinsOk, it still depends on libwayland-server0 but the dependency chain isn't broken now08:54
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Kindergarten Day! :-D09:06
* zmoylan-pi hands out the tin cups to the inmates at the kindergarten...09:07
diddledan\o/09:10
foobarryjust bougth myself one of those xiaomi mi band09:13
foobarrysteps and sleep traker09:14
foobarryugh my typing is broken09:14
zmoylan-piOR the band is heavy... :-)09:14
foobarryit will take some weeks to arrive :(09:14
foobarrybecause i am a cheapskate09:15
foobarryor patient09:15
foobarry...enforced patience09:15
zmoylan-piwow, that's really heavy... /best hippie accent09:15
directhex_i have a fitbit09:15
JamesTaitzmoylan-pi, far be it from me to make any comparisons between the behaviour typically found in a kindergarten and that found in certain communities or exhibited by certain prominent public figures.09:16
foobarrydirecthex_: how much did you pay?09:18
directhex_£12009:18
TwistedLucidity>.<09:18
directhex_trackers w/ heart rate monitoring aren't cheap09:18
foobarryah wow, that has gps too?09:19
directhex_nope. next model up has gps09:19
foobarryman thats ££09:19
zmoylan-piand if you only saw how much they cost AFTER you started wearing them it would be a great calibration test... :-P09:19
TwistedLucidityConnect it to your insurance company and get discount on life insurance (read: invade your own privacy to save 50p a month!)09:19
diddledanzmoylan-pi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki7VqBmkf7M09:19
directhex_i've lost more than a stone so far09:19
directhex_so *shrug* it works09:20
foobarryi don't need to lose weight :(09:20
foobarryrather the opposite09:20
foobarryits so easy to lose weight, so hard to gain09:20
directhex_i'm overweight09:20
directhex_i'm losing weight, whilst eating cheeseburgers. great diet!09:20
TwistedLucidityI'm happy with my weight, I just need the mass to migrate from where it is to where I'd rather it was09:20
* TwistedLucidity prods belly09:20
TwistedLucidityfoobarry: Eat more, move less.09:21
directhex_i was concerned about health, so decided to get my BMI down to "normal"09:21
directhex_also, i'm sick of 38" waist jeans09:21
TwistedLucidityAlthough that'll be fat you gain...which may not be the best idea09:21
foobarryi was hoping to gain some over easter but my daughter caught a D&V bug09:22
foobarrywhich we all caught09:22
TwistedLuciditydirecthex_: Wear stilts then recalculate BMI. Problem solved!09:22
foobarryhence lose 1/2 stone09:22
zmoylan-pifun for all the family :-/09:22
directhex_d&v is a great weight-loss regimen!09:22
directhex_so is a tapeworm!09:22
directhex_for me though, it's been more exercise & less cake09:23
zmoylan-pijust make sure the wifi extends to the loo with backup reading material printed on soft paper09:23
foobarryhow many steps a day are you doing?09:23
directhex_usually only 7500. but i'm doing 40 minutes a day on the exercise bike09:23
foobarryi wonder when it will get to teh point that your doctor asks to see your steps count09:24
TwistedLucidityfoobarry: More worrying, when will your insurance company demand to see it09:24
foobarryfitbit can't really understand cycling except for heart rate i guess09:24
directhex_foobarry: hence the hrart rate model!09:24
zmoylan-pican't strap it to you leg...09:24
TwistedLucidityIt would be kinda tricky, especially with the gearing etc09:25
TwistedLucidityWonder what it would make of a martial arts class....although watches etc normally have to be removed for safety09:25
foobarrywhen i get my xiaomi i want to calibrate it against a person with 2 other devices09:25
directhex_TwistedLucidity: heart rate monitoring is enough IME. also a surprising number of calories in housework09:26
zmoylan-pii got a water proof/shock proof watch with a bunch of sensors (temp/pressure/compass etc.) in early 00s. it didn't survive fencing09:26
TwistedLuciditydirecthex_: Yeah...don't have to tell me that. Also the slow-burn of housework means you can sustain it for much longer09:26
TwistedLucidityMore calories in having to break, shovel and then carry goodness knows how much dirt.09:27
TwistedLucidityDIY-blog09:27
foobarrygardening is serious work09:28
foobarryhad to move a rose bush the other day09:28
foobarryat 9pm09:28
foobarryi was in my tshirt09:28
zmoylan-piand with all these health trackers it's only a matter of time before all the data is been requested in divorce cases... http://www.wired.com/2014/12/wearables-in-court/09:29
foobarrya great upgrade for twitter would be to allow tweets from some users only during certain window. e.g. if i wanna follow tfl or my train company, i only want to see tweets sent between my commuting hrs09:29
foobarryor hopefully in the future google now will read them and only tell me if bad things..09:29
diploI just use lists for stuff like that now foobarry09:30
diploNever look at the main stream09:30
zmoylan-pithat would assume the train company doesn't send tweets about the wild cat strike to their customers the night before so they can make alternate plans09:30
TwistedLucidityIf it's important, I bally well expect the train company to have a page sent to my door with the missive!09:31
foobarryhow do the lists work09:31
foobarryare they customised searches?09:31
TwistedLucidityfoobarry: Usually one thing after another. :-P09:31
foobarryfor people you don't subscribe/follow?09:31
zmoylan-pilists are just a list of accounts you want to follow.  i use them for specific typese of news. then read those lists when i'm in the mood or looking for a particular story09:31
davmor2JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ucfgdFrlho09:31
foobarrydo i have to follow them first?09:32
foobarryhow do i get them out of my main feed?09:32
zmoylan-pinope, beside the follow button on the web page there's a gizmo that allows you to add them to list09:32
zmoylan-pithen unfollow them. leaving them in the list09:32
TwistedLucidityToo much junk on Twitter. Used it for a month and then gave up due to all the "spam" (i.e. twits that I had no interest in)09:32
foobarryi have 3 accounts09:33
zmoylan-pii have my timeline now just personal friends and 1-2 local news feeds for travel.  gardai and dublin bus.09:33
foobarryhence i have to use plume to read twitter09:33
foobarryso maybe i just need lists instead09:33
zmoylan-pitweetdeck on laptop is optimal09:34
zmoylan-pilists is the poor mans version of plume/tweetdeck09:34
zmoylan-piyou can add a list to an alternate list in plume09:34
zmoylan-pi*alternate column09:34
foobarryi wanna ditch plume soon09:42
foobarrywhich should be possible with lists09:42
zmoylan-pihas gotten crashy recently for me09:42
foobarrytwitter official client won't mux together various accounts into one feed09:42
foobarryplume doesn't show vines or gifs and the ads are annoying09:43
foobarryits not good enough to buy for the price they want09:43
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knightwiseUbuntu doesnt run that bad on the pi210:56
bashrc_I think pi2 is quad core. Should be ok11:15
awilkinsYeah, it has a GB of RAM as well11:16
TwistedLucidityCan even do virtualisation 8-O11:16
directhex_pi2 still lacks I/O acceleration, so is still sorta bad11:17
directhex_but it's a definite improvement11:17
popey\o/ left over gammon in a sandwich for lunch11:17
zmoylan-pigreen ham and eggs? :-)11:19
popeymustard / may and ham11:19
davmor2popey: but it's april :D11:21
popeyand it's sunny!11:21
zmoylan-pisnow forecast for the weekend i think11:22
davmor2popey: shhhh you might scare it away :D11:22
popey\o/11:22
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ne2kI am running trusty in a KVM vm (Proxmox 3.3, third party platform, can't change). It runs happily for a short while and then goes to 100% CPU and will not accept any input nor an ACPI shutdown. any suggestions as to how to go about further debugging of this?15:40
intrbizne2k: is the VM doing anything before it goes 100% and effectively offline? or is it an idle, blank VM?15:43
ne2kintrbiz, it's just a clean install of trusty x86_64 server15:44
ne2kintrbiz, with the latest updates15:44
intrbizne2k: with nothing running?15:44
ne2kintrbiz, nothing that I've added15:44
ne2kintrbiz, there are obviously quite a few system services running, obviously15:44
intrbizne2k: sure, do you have any access to the console?15:45
ne2kintrbiz, it has a single virtio disk and a single virtio network card15:45
ne2kintrbiz, I have access to the console of the VM, not the hypervisor15:45
intrbizne2k: is there anything on the console when it crashes?15:46
ne2kintrbiz, no, just the login prompt as it woudl normally be, and the cursor is no longer flashing15:47
ne2kafter a reboot, I checked syslog and there was nothing before the crash, just the once-an-hour "MARK" and then nothing15:47
intrbizne2k: can your provider setup a serial console for the VM logging to a file?15:50
intrbizne2k: as a way to try and get a kernel trace if it is panicing15:50
ne2kintrbiz, they possibly could. not sure if it would help15:50
ne2kintrbiz, is there any setup from the guest side to enable that?15:51
intrbizne2k: just a kernel parameter to add to the boot line15:53
ChloeWolfieGirlWhats the q&A channel? >.<16:18
ne2kChloeWolfieGirl, whu?16:18
ChloeWolfieGirlJust wondering what the ubuntu q&A channel is.16:19
ne2kChloeWolfieGirl, I'm not sure what that means. this is a channel in which you can ask questions, and if people can answer them, they will try to16:20
ChloeWolfieGirlFound it, #ubuntu-on-air I was looking for Q&A16:22
ne2kfair enough. never heard of it16:22
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directhex_woo, wife's new handbag seems to have arrived in the UK from taiwan19:48
diddledanyippee?19:49
foobarryis windows 2003 server EOL soon?19:49
diddledanI belive so, foobarry19:50
directhex_diddledan: of course yippee. it's amaaazing19:50
directhex_https://www.jumpfrompaper.com/europe/originals/backpack/spaceman/19:50
diddledandirecthex_: in that case then, "yippee!"19:50
diddledanthat makes my eyes go screwey19:51
directhex_:D19:51
diddledanI'm not sure that it's green though19:51
directhex_now i'm waiting on new computer parts. which should arrive tomorrow -> monday19:52
diddledan(hover over the left-hand colour swatch)19:52
diddledanapparently cyan is now green19:52
diddledananyway, back to testing my wordpress plugins19:54
daftykinsfoobarry: yep June or July20:00
daftykins2003 R2 as well20:00
daftykinsSBS 2003 is already dead afaiui20:00
directhex_cool kids already upgraded their servers to windows 10 tech preview20:03
daftykins;)20:04
daftykinsmost of those have been in #ubuntu having tried to multiboot but ended up wiping the entire disk *giggle*20:04
diddledandaftykins: you sadist20:05
daftykinswhy am i when it's them doing it XD20:05
diddledanlol20:05
diddledanbecause you're laughing at them20:05
directhex_i'm gonna run 10 on my new pc20:05
diddledandirecthex_: \o/20:06
directhex_use the tech preview for now, then buy it in a couple of months20:06
directhex_buying 8 now is dumb20:06
daftykinsthat and 8 being terrible20:06
daftykins;D20:06
directhex_this old box has a vista home basic oem license :D20:07
directhex_also win7 pro and win8 pro upgrades. but still...20:08
daftykinserk!20:08
daftykinsi am curious as to how this Windows 10 upgrade 'free' -ness will work20:08
diddledanit's apparently being baked into windows update as an optional install20:09
daftykinsblech, i want ISOs20:09
directhex_installing 8.1 on this pc: install vista basic. insert win8 install dvd, boot, wipe vista partition. go trhough windows update & reboot 3 or 4 times, until 8.1 appears in app store. windows update another 10 times20:09
daftykinsthat can be clean installed from20:09
directhex_daftykins: precisely why i'm buying 10, not 8 then upgrading20:09
daftykinsmmm 8 has got to have the worst setup for updating in history20:10
daftykinsyou can't even download installers to make it easier, since they still offer you a bunch of updates that must be installed in sequence20:10
directhex_got a win10 installer usb stick prepped20:11
directhex_new pc parts should mostly arrive tomorrow. wife can help with the build20:11
daftykinshow high spec are you going? haswell-E? :D20:12
diddledanyey for shared pursuits!20:12
daftykinshehe, i've had to tell off my dear lady friend for thinking molex to floppy converters are 4-pin mobo fan header to molex fan adapters ;)20:12
diddledanerk20:13
daftykinsstill, can see how you'd think that if you'd never built in the floppy era20:13
diddledanwhatever you do, don't think they're mobo fan to hdd power :-p20:13
daftykinsXD20:13
directhex_daftykins: haswell-e.20:15
daftykinsrawr20:15
directhex_i7-5820k, gtx 980, 960gb ssd, 32gb ddr420:16
directhex_in festive red & black20:16
daftykinscrikey, that'll be some £20:16
directhex_yep20:17
directhex_good job i took out some extra when i got a loan to buy the volt20:17
daftykinsXD20:17
directhex_saving the planet w/ new car... killing it w/ new pc20:18
diddledanvmware, huh? "This license key can be deployed on an unlimited number of physical hosts, but is restricted to deployment on less than or equal to 0 Physical Servers."20:42
diddledanso what's the difference between a host and a server?20:43
diddledanin terms of vmware esxi, I mean20:43
daftykinsdiddledan: that could well be the most confusing statement i've ever read21:13
diddledangreat, huh?21:31
daftykinsdiddledan: did you work it out yet?21:34
diddledannope21:34
daftykinsis it a statement from a web-based account that's just broken, maybe?21:35
diddledanit's the output from vmware.com on the download page21:36
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