[00:00] <daftykins> mysqld is top of top (tee-hee) at 13.7% mem used 0o
[00:01] <diddledan> that's 60MB for mysqld?
[00:01] <daftykins> looking at some google results they're talking about tweaking some settings
[00:02] <daftykins> http://askubuntu.com/questions/534793/mysqld-is-suddenly-taking-too-much-memory-and-my-laptop-is-getting-hotter
[00:02] <diddledan> now speaking of rams - why are all the search server things (namely elasticsearch and solr) based on java?!
[00:02] <ali1234> java is hugely popular in that space
[00:02] <diddledan> indeed
[00:02] <diddledan> surely someone's ported lucene elesewhere tho?
[00:03] <ali1234> probaly because those things are always going to be big and complicated and require huge teams to build
[00:03] <ali1234> and that is where java excels
[00:03] <diddledan> I guess
[00:03] <diddledan> what I don't get tho, to tie in to elasticsearch there's the logstash thing, which is written in ruby, and run with jruby because JAVA
[00:04] <ali1234> i couldn't eve figure out how to set up either of those two search tools
[00:04] <diddledan> I just can't work out why you'd take ruby and run it in java
[00:05] <ali1234> because the developers write a huge complicated server thing that nobody can understand using java
[00:05] <ali1234> and then devops writes a bunch of scripts to make it usable in ruby
[00:05] <ali1234> then those scripts get folded back into the project
[00:05] <diddledan> that's just it tho - logstash is essentially completely separate
[00:05] <ali1234> yes, exactly
[00:06] <diddledan> it talks to logstash via http
[00:06] <diddledan> erm
[00:06] <diddledan> logstash talks to elastic
[00:06] <ali1234> if you have a full java stack where everything is written in java, you probably don't want to set up a whole parallel infrastructure to run ruby things
[00:07] <ali1234> you're just going to make it run on what you alread have
[00:07] <ali1234> all of this stuff boils down to lazyness in the end :)
[00:07] <diddledan> lol
[00:08] <daftykins> http://www.tocker.ca/2014/03/10/configuring-mysql-to-use-minimal-memory.html
[00:08] <daftykins> this seems handy
[00:16] <daftykins> ooh neat that cut it nicely
[00:17] <diddledan> oh poo
[00:17] <daftykins> 170MB at boot \o/
[00:17] <diddledan> samba 4 active directory: "The internal DNS backend currently needs a restart of Samba to take effect. See bug report #9404"
[00:17] <diddledan> specifically when you add a new dns zone
[00:17] <daftykins> that a problem to restart?
[00:18] <diddledan> it's annoying to remember
[00:18] <diddledan> different interface
[00:19] <diddledan> I'm using freenas right now as my dc
[00:19] <diddledan> means to restart samba I need to go to the webadmin and find the right button and flip it
[00:20] <daftykins> 76MB free instead of 7MB :D
[00:20] <diddledan> it isn't obvious that you need to restart it because records in already created zones reload fine when changed or added
[00:20] <diddledan> but new zones need a restart
[00:20] <daftykins> funky!
[00:22] <diddledan> it's made even weirder because there's two backends for dns - an internal-to-samba one or an optional bind plugin called bind-dlz - the latter one does NOT require any restarts for new zones
[00:22] <diddledan> confused yet?
[00:22] <daftykins> totally
[00:22] <diddledan> maybe I should suggest freenas move over to use bind :-p
[00:23] <daftykins> you had me lost at using a domain *whistle*
[00:23] <daftykins> :D
[00:23]  * diddledan blows raspberries
[00:23] <diddledan> mmpie
[05:12] <knightwise> morning peeps
[05:20] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[06:59] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:28] <knightwise> morning MooDoo diddledan
[07:28] <knightwise> morning diplo
[07:28] <diddledan> allo
[07:30] <knightwise> hacked a tupperware box into a case for my raspberry pi2 :)
[07:30] <knightwise> Finally a good use for that tupperware evening i had to sit through last year
[07:38] <knightwise> does the latest Ubuntu image still fit on a cd ?
[07:38] <diddledan> nope
[07:38] <SuperMatt> hasn't done for a while
[07:40] <knightwise> ok
[07:44] <knightwise> 29 inch ultrawide monitor is realy handy :)
[07:44] <knightwise> Got an elementary vm running side by side with a browser ...
[07:44] <diddledan> yeah, that would be nice
[07:45] <knightwise> transition between the native os and elementary vm is so smooth the whole vm just feels like just another app window
[07:54] <diplo> Good morning all!
[07:59] <knightwise>  hey diplo
[07:59] <knightwise> hmm. just saw that you can run popcorn time on the raspberry pi2 :) Worth looking at
[08:09] <diplo> I'm dubious about popcorn time :)
[08:10] <diplo> I'd love to have everything that is available via torrents on a netflix style thing, would even pay £20-30 a month for it instead of the netflix £6 but it's never going to happen
[08:11] <popey> popcorn time is just a pretty interface to torrents, that's all
[08:11] <knightwise> popey: indeed
[08:11] <knightwise> and its DAMN handy :)
[08:12] <diplo> yeah I know, but doesn't netflix use some sort of p2p to share some bandwith as well
[08:14] <diplo> Japans Maglev train hit a new world record, 375MPH !!
[08:16] <popey> no
[08:16] <popey> netflix has a large content delivery network
[08:18] <davmor2> diplo: Netflix uses Ubuntu on Amazon Cloud as I understand it
[08:22] <TwistedLucidity> knightwise: But one is still subject to the legal impacts, no?
[08:22] <diplo> ah right, I thought I read somewhere a while ago they used some of your bandwidth to.. probably something else :)
[08:22] <knightwise> TwistedLucidity: true.
[08:22] <diddledan> I'm getting silly with my network
[08:23] <diddledan> I've now got an amazon virtual private cloud subnet vpning to home and home vpning to several other servers and them all sharing routing info via bgp
[08:23] <diddledan> I honestly don't really understand it but it's working
[08:24] <TwistedLucidity> With Sony strong-arming Netflix, HBO Now cutting off VPN users...it's lioke peolpe don't understand that a global network is, well, *GLOBAL*. Trying to impose geopgraphic restrictions makes little sense.
[08:24] <TwistedLucidity> Getting annoyed at people using VPNs to access cheaper/blocked content also makes little sense - that's simply the free-marketing correcting itself.
[08:25] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: A home VPN is pretty nifty. Great for tunneling over free WiFi to avoid the snooping
[08:26] <diddledan> TwistedLucidity: my plan is to be able to vpn into my home network and instantly get access to all my servers via their private-space ip addresses (my vpc has dev servers that aren't exposed to the world)
[08:27] <diplo> ah just googled it, they were looking to employ someone to implement p2p technology in their product mid last year
[08:27] <diddledan> diplo: that probably won't work in the browser tho?
[08:27] <knightwise> diddledan: why not use Shuttle ?
[08:27] <knightwise> sshuttle
[08:28] <diddledan> shuttle?
[08:28] <diplo> Probably not, it was a job posting... so realy detail
[08:28] <diplo> so really no detail*
[08:29] <knightwise> vpn over ssh , you can tunnel all your traffic thrpooufh one point into your network
[08:29] <diddledan> that's not layer3 tho
[08:30] <knightwise> its a socks5 proxy
[08:30] <knightwise> well ,its a little more then that
[08:30] <diddledan> yeah I want routing
[08:30] <diddledan> and auto config
[08:31] <diddledan> e.g. if I add another subnet it will magically appear on all my connected systems' routing tables
[08:32] <diddledan> (bgp is what the big boys use)
[08:32] <knightwise> that i dont know
[08:32] <diddledan> the majority of the internet's backbone relies on the same tech I'm using
[08:35] <foobarry> cat before the internet: http://shop.bl.uk/mall/productpage.cfm/BritishLibrary/_ISBN_9780712358187/-/Medieval-Cats-%28hardback%29
[08:39] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:41] <TwistedLucidity> Had cause to try out OSMC (the new RaspBMC) on a B+ Pi last night; rather neat it is too.
[08:42] <TwistedLucidity> Based off of Debain so, unlike on OpenElec, I could install Perl and have get_iplayer.cgi running.
[08:43] <TwistedLucidity> It's maybe a wee bitty slower than OpenElec, but I can't see that making much odds on a Pi 2.
[08:44] <TwistedLucidity> Only negative I can think of is the Kodi skin. Looks very Windows and the menus are vertical; which is (IMHO) dumb on a TV that is wider than it is tall.
[08:44] <TwistedLucidity> Check it out if you want: https://osmc.tv/
[08:53] <awilkins> Annoyance : why does libegl1-mesa:i386 depend on libwayland-server0:i386 ??
[08:53] <awilkins> Or do I just have a borked up apt database?
[08:54]  * awilkins does apt-get update
[08:54] <awilkins> Ok, it still depends on libwayland-server0 but the dependency chain isn't broken now
[09:06] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Kindergarten Day! :-D
[09:07]  * zmoylan-pi hands out the tin cups to the inmates at the kindergarten...
[09:10] <diddledan> \o/
[09:13] <foobarry> just bougth myself one of those xiaomi mi band
[09:14] <foobarry> steps and sleep traker
[09:14] <foobarry> ugh my typing is broken
[09:14] <zmoylan-pi> OR the band is heavy... :-)
[09:14] <foobarry> it will take some weeks to arrive :(
[09:15] <foobarry> because i am a cheapskate
[09:15] <foobarry> or patient
[09:15] <foobarry> ...enforced patience
[09:15] <zmoylan-pi> wow, that's really heavy... /best hippie accent
[09:15] <directhex_> i have a fitbit
[09:16] <JamesTait> zmoylan-pi, far be it from me to make any comparisons between the behaviour typically found in a kindergarten and that found in certain communities or exhibited by certain prominent public figures.
[09:18] <foobarry> directhex_: how much did you pay?
[09:18] <directhex_> £120
[09:18] <TwistedLucidity> >.<
[09:18] <directhex_> trackers w/ heart rate monitoring aren't cheap
[09:19] <foobarry> ah wow, that has gps too?
[09:19] <directhex_> nope. next model up has gps
[09:19] <foobarry> man thats ££
[09:19] <zmoylan-pi> and if you only saw how much they cost AFTER you started wearing them it would be a great calibration test... :-P
[09:19] <TwistedLucidity> Connect it to your insurance company and get discount on life insurance (read: invade your own privacy to save 50p a month!)
[09:19] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki7VqBmkf7M
[09:19] <directhex_> i've lost more than a stone so far
[09:20] <directhex_> so *shrug* it works
[09:20] <foobarry> i don't need to lose weight :(
[09:20] <foobarry> rather the opposite
[09:20] <foobarry> its so easy to lose weight, so hard to gain
[09:20] <directhex_> i'm overweight
[09:20] <directhex_> i'm losing weight, whilst eating cheeseburgers. great diet!
[09:20] <TwistedLucidity> I'm happy with my weight, I just need the mass to migrate from where it is to where I'd rather it was
[09:20]  * TwistedLucidity prods belly
[09:21] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Eat more, move less.
[09:21] <directhex_> i was concerned about health, so decided to get my BMI down to "normal"
[09:21] <directhex_> also, i'm sick of 38" waist jeans
[09:21] <TwistedLucidity> Although that'll be fat you gain...which may not be the best idea
[09:22] <foobarry> i was hoping to gain some over easter but my daughter caught a D&V bug
[09:22] <foobarry> which we all caught
[09:22] <TwistedLucidity> directhex_: Wear stilts then recalculate BMI. Problem solved!
[09:22] <foobarry> hence lose 1/2 stone
[09:22] <zmoylan-pi> fun for all the family :-/
[09:22] <directhex_> d&v is a great weight-loss regimen!
[09:22] <directhex_> so is a tapeworm!
[09:23] <directhex_> for me though, it's been more exercise & less cake
[09:23] <zmoylan-pi> just make sure the wifi extends to the loo with backup reading material printed on soft paper
[09:23] <foobarry> how many steps a day are you doing?
[09:23] <directhex_> usually only 7500. but i'm doing 40 minutes a day on the exercise bike
[09:24] <foobarry> i wonder when it will get to teh point that your doctor asks to see your steps count
[09:24] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: More worrying, when will your insurance company demand to see it
[09:24] <foobarry> fitbit can't really understand cycling except for heart rate i guess
[09:24] <directhex_> foobarry: hence the hrart rate model!
[09:24] <zmoylan-pi> can't strap it to you leg...
[09:25] <TwistedLucidity> It would be kinda tricky, especially with the gearing etc
[09:25] <TwistedLucidity> Wonder what it would make of a martial arts class....although watches etc normally have to be removed for safety
[09:25] <foobarry> when i get my xiaomi i want to calibrate it against a person with 2 other devices
[09:26] <directhex_> TwistedLucidity: heart rate monitoring is enough IME. also a surprising number of calories in housework
[09:26] <zmoylan-pi> i got a water proof/shock proof watch with a bunch of sensors (temp/pressure/compass etc.) in early 00s. it didn't survive fencing
[09:26] <TwistedLucidity> directhex_: Yeah...don't have to tell me that. Also the slow-burn of housework means you can sustain it for much longer
[09:27] <TwistedLucidity> More calories in having to break, shovel and then carry goodness knows how much dirt.
[09:27] <TwistedLucidity> DIY-blog
[09:28] <foobarry> gardening is serious work
[09:28] <foobarry> had to move a rose bush the other day
[09:28] <foobarry> at 9pm
[09:28] <foobarry> i was in my tshirt
[09:29] <zmoylan-pi> and with all these health trackers it's only a matter of time before all the data is been requested in divorce cases... http://www.wired.com/2014/12/wearables-in-court/
[09:29] <foobarry> a great upgrade for twitter would be to allow tweets from some users only during certain window. e.g. if i wanna follow tfl or my train company, i only want to see tweets sent between my commuting hrs
[09:29] <foobarry> or hopefully in the future google now will read them and only tell me if bad things..
[09:30] <diplo> I just use lists for stuff like that now foobarry
[09:30] <diplo> Never look at the main stream
[09:30] <zmoylan-pi> that would assume the train company doesn't send tweets about the wild cat strike to their customers the night before so they can make alternate plans
[09:31] <TwistedLucidity> If it's important, I bally well expect the train company to have a page sent to my door with the missive!
[09:31] <foobarry> how do the lists work
[09:31] <foobarry> are they customised searches?
[09:31] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Usually one thing after another. :-P
[09:31] <foobarry> for people you don't subscribe/follow?
[09:31] <zmoylan-pi> lists are just a list of accounts you want to follow.  i use them for specific typese of news. then read those lists when i'm in the mood or looking for a particular story
[09:31] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ucfgdFrlho
[09:32] <foobarry> do i have to follow them first?
[09:32] <foobarry> how do i get them out of my main feed?
[09:32] <zmoylan-pi> nope, beside the follow button on the web page there's a gizmo that allows you to add them to list
[09:32] <zmoylan-pi> then unfollow them. leaving them in the list
[09:32] <TwistedLucidity> Too much junk on Twitter. Used it for a month and then gave up due to all the "spam" (i.e. twits that I had no interest in)
[09:33] <foobarry> i have 3 accounts
[09:33] <zmoylan-pi> i have my timeline now just personal friends and 1-2 local news feeds for travel.  gardai and dublin bus.
[09:33] <foobarry> hence i have to use plume to read twitter
[09:33] <foobarry> so maybe i just need lists instead
[09:34] <zmoylan-pi> tweetdeck on laptop is optimal
[09:34] <zmoylan-pi> lists is the poor mans version of plume/tweetdeck
[09:34] <zmoylan-pi> you can add a list to an alternate list in plume
[09:34] <zmoylan-pi> *alternate column
[09:42] <foobarry> i wanna ditch plume soon
[09:42] <foobarry> which should be possible with lists
[09:42] <zmoylan-pi> has gotten crashy recently for me
[09:42] <foobarry> twitter official client won't mux together various accounts into one feed
[09:43] <foobarry> plume doesn't show vines or gifs and the ads are annoying
[09:43] <foobarry> its not good enough to buy for the price they want
[10:56] <knightwise> Ubuntu doesnt run that bad on the pi2
[11:15] <bashrc_> I think pi2 is quad core. Should be ok
[11:16] <awilkins> Yeah, it has a GB of RAM as well
[11:16] <TwistedLucidity> Can even do virtualisation 8-O
[11:17] <directhex_> pi2 still lacks I/O acceleration, so is still sorta bad
[11:17] <directhex_> but it's a definite improvement
[11:17] <popey> \o/ left over gammon in a sandwich for lunch
[11:19] <zmoylan-pi> green ham and eggs? :-)
[11:19] <popey> mustard / may and ham
[11:21] <davmor2> popey: but it's april :D
[11:21] <popey> and it's sunny!
[11:22] <zmoylan-pi> snow forecast for the weekend i think
[11:22] <davmor2> popey: shhhh you might scare it away :D
[11:22] <popey> \o/
[15:40] <ne2k> I am running trusty in a KVM vm (Proxmox 3.3, third party platform, can't change). It runs happily for a short while and then goes to 100% CPU and will not accept any input nor an ACPI shutdown. any suggestions as to how to go about further debugging of this?
[15:43] <intrbiz> ne2k: is the VM doing anything before it goes 100% and effectively offline? or is it an idle, blank VM?
[15:44] <ne2k> intrbiz, it's just a clean install of trusty x86_64 server
[15:44] <ne2k> intrbiz, with the latest updates
[15:44] <intrbiz> ne2k: with nothing running?
[15:44] <ne2k> intrbiz, nothing that I've added
[15:44] <ne2k> intrbiz, there are obviously quite a few system services running, obviously
[15:45] <intrbiz> ne2k: sure, do you have any access to the console?
[15:45] <ne2k> intrbiz, it has a single virtio disk and a single virtio network card
[15:45] <ne2k> intrbiz, I have access to the console of the VM, not the hypervisor
[15:46] <intrbiz> ne2k: is there anything on the console when it crashes?
[15:47] <ne2k> intrbiz, no, just the login prompt as it woudl normally be, and the cursor is no longer flashing
[15:47] <ne2k> after a reboot, I checked syslog and there was nothing before the crash, just the once-an-hour "MARK" and then nothing
[15:50] <intrbiz> ne2k: can your provider setup a serial console for the VM logging to a file?
[15:50] <intrbiz> ne2k: as a way to try and get a kernel trace if it is panicing
[15:50] <ne2k> intrbiz, they possibly could. not sure if it would help
[15:51] <ne2k> intrbiz, is there any setup from the guest side to enable that?
[15:53] <intrbiz> ne2k: just a kernel parameter to add to the boot line
[16:18] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Whats the q&A channel? >.<
[16:18] <ne2k> ChloeWolfieGirl, whu?
[16:19] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Just wondering what the ubuntu q&A channel is.
[16:20] <ne2k> ChloeWolfieGirl, I'm not sure what that means. this is a channel in which you can ask questions, and if people can answer them, they will try to
[16:22] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Found it, #ubuntu-on-air I was looking for Q&A
[16:22] <ne2k> fair enough. never heard of it
[19:48] <directhex_> woo, wife's new handbag seems to have arrived in the UK from taiwan
[19:49] <diddledan> yippee?
[19:49] <foobarry> is windows 2003 server EOL soon?
[19:50] <diddledan> I belive so, foobarry
[19:50] <directhex_> diddledan: of course yippee. it's amaaazing
[19:50] <directhex_> https://www.jumpfrompaper.com/europe/originals/backpack/spaceman/
[19:50] <diddledan> directhex_: in that case then, "yippee!"
[19:51] <diddledan> that makes my eyes go screwey
[19:51] <directhex_> :D
[19:51] <diddledan> I'm not sure that it's green though
[19:52] <directhex_> now i'm waiting on new computer parts. which should arrive tomorrow -> monday
[19:52] <diddledan> (hover over the left-hand colour swatch)
[19:52] <diddledan> apparently cyan is now green
[19:54] <diddledan> anyway, back to testing my wordpress plugins
[20:00] <daftykins> foobarry: yep June or July
[20:00] <daftykins> 2003 R2 as well
[20:00] <daftykins> SBS 2003 is already dead afaiui
[20:03] <directhex_> cool kids already upgraded their servers to windows 10 tech preview
[20:04] <daftykins> ;)
[20:04] <daftykins> most of those have been in #ubuntu having tried to multiboot but ended up wiping the entire disk *giggle*
[20:05] <diddledan> daftykins: you sadist
[20:05] <daftykins> why am i when it's them doing it XD
[20:05] <diddledan> lol
[20:05] <diddledan> because you're laughing at them
[20:05] <directhex_> i'm gonna run 10 on my new pc
[20:06] <diddledan> directhex_: \o/
[20:06] <directhex_> use the tech preview for now, then buy it in a couple of months
[20:06] <directhex_> buying 8 now is dumb
[20:06] <daftykins> that and 8 being terrible
[20:06] <daftykins> ;D
[20:07] <directhex_> this old box has a vista home basic oem license :D
[20:08] <directhex_> also win7 pro and win8 pro upgrades. but still...
[20:08] <daftykins> erk!
[20:08] <daftykins> i am curious as to how this Windows 10 upgrade 'free' -ness will work
[20:09] <diddledan> it's apparently being baked into windows update as an optional install
[20:09] <daftykins> blech, i want ISOs
[20:09] <directhex_> installing 8.1 on this pc: install vista basic. insert win8 install dvd, boot, wipe vista partition. go trhough windows update & reboot 3 or 4 times, until 8.1 appears in app store. windows update another 10 times
[20:09] <daftykins> that can be clean installed from
[20:09] <directhex_> daftykins: precisely why i'm buying 10, not 8 then upgrading
[20:10] <daftykins> mmm 8 has got to have the worst setup for updating in history
[20:10] <daftykins> you can't even download installers to make it easier, since they still offer you a bunch of updates that must be installed in sequence
[20:11] <directhex_> got a win10 installer usb stick prepped
[20:11] <directhex_> new pc parts should mostly arrive tomorrow. wife can help with the build
[20:12] <daftykins> how high spec are you going? haswell-E? :D
[20:12] <diddledan> yey for shared pursuits!
[20:12] <daftykins> hehe, i've had to tell off my dear lady friend for thinking molex to floppy converters are 4-pin mobo fan header to molex fan adapters ;)
[20:13] <diddledan> erk
[20:13] <daftykins> still, can see how you'd think that if you'd never built in the floppy era
[20:13] <diddledan> whatever you do, don't think they're mobo fan to hdd power :-p
[20:13] <daftykins> XD
[20:15] <directhex_> daftykins: haswell-e.
[20:15] <daftykins> rawr
[20:16] <directhex_> i7-5820k, gtx 980, 960gb ssd, 32gb ddr4
[20:16] <directhex_> in festive red & black
[20:16] <daftykins> crikey, that'll be some £
[20:17] <directhex_> yep
[20:17] <directhex_> good job i took out some extra when i got a loan to buy the volt
[20:17] <daftykins> XD
[20:18] <directhex_> saving the planet w/ new car... killing it w/ new pc
[20:42] <diddledan> vmware, huh? "This license key can be deployed on an unlimited number of physical hosts, but is restricted to deployment on less than or equal to 0 Physical Servers."
[20:43] <diddledan> so what's the difference between a host and a server?
[20:43] <diddledan> in terms of vmware esxi, I mean
[21:13] <daftykins> diddledan: that could well be the most confusing statement i've ever read
[21:31] <diddledan> great, huh?
[21:34] <daftykins> diddledan: did you work it out yet?
[21:34] <diddledan> nope
[21:35] <daftykins> is it a statement from a web-based account that's just broken, maybe?
[21:36] <diddledan> it's the output from vmware.com on the download page