[08:48] greyback_: ping ? [08:49] tsdgeos: pong [08:49] greyback_: Saviq: want to have a quick chat of where to put the screenshot save to disk thing? [08:49] tsdgeos: sure [08:52] mzanetti, you too ↑ [08:52] tsdgeos, greyback_, mzanetti, shout when time good [08:52] *shout* [08:53] fine for me [08:53] mumble? hout? [08:54] I'd hangout rather than mumble for discussion. the others didn't shout yet though [08:56] I'm ready whenever [08:56] https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/saviq [08:56] mzanetti, tsdgeos, greyback_ ↑ [09:15] mzanetti, you there? [09:32] /food [10:13] greyback_: mzanetti: should putting an app on the "backround" on the phone set it to suspended in the app manager? [10:14] tsdgeos: define "background" in this context [10:14] greyback_: not the foreground one :D [10:14] as in, another app is in the foreground [10:14] or the dash [10:14] yes [10:14] atm, is app is not focused (and not in the exceptions list), it is set to suspended [10:15] if app.... [10:15] hmmm [10:15] that's what i udnerstood [10:15] how come? [10:15] the model did not seem to reflect that though [10:15] let me see why [10:16] note, this close connection of focus with lifecycle is bad, leagcy of unity-mir days [10:17] i'm confused now [10:18] are you saying they should or should not set to suspended? [10:21] tsdgeos: should [10:21] ok [10:28] greyback_: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/qtmir/fix_debug_line/+merge/256905 [10:30] tsdgeos: I'm surprised that used to compile. thanks [10:30] , is nice [10:30] will make almost everything compile [10:30] :D [10:30] * greyback_ hugs C++ [10:48] would someone ( mzanetti / Saviq or someone else ) be around for the Community Team Q&A at 16:00 UTC for 1 hour to answer questions related to Unity8? === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:05] popey, I can === pstolowski is now known as pstolowski|lunch [11:26] \o/ [11:27] hey guys, I've got some UOS session proposals that need someone from this team to lead [11:27] the list of proposes sessions is at http://pad.ubuntu.com/MQ01t50gLb [11:27] the ones with [Unity] in front are the ones I need someone from here for [11:28] kgunn: ^ [11:29] mhall119, what're the dates again? [11:29] Saviq: May 5-7 [11:29] 1400 - 2000 UTC [11:31] mhall119, we'll have a look [11:31] thanks === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === greyback__ is now known as greyback === pstolowski|lunch is now known as pstolowski [13:03] tsdgeos: (if you have time) what are your thought on the QDBus landing silo. upstream status, scheduling of the silo to land to vivid images.. so I ran all AP:s again during the weekend and they were alright (http://people.canonical.com/~tjyrinki/qt5/ap-2015-04-18-mako-175-silo-018/). also my account setup woes happened without the PPA too. [13:03] tsdgeos: should we wait until the upstream branches for example land to the 5.5 branch, they still haven't seemingly to? [13:04] tsdgeos: and then there's the KDE part. for the time being we have the overlay PPA, but the idea is that the PPA contents would be copied to w series when it opens, which poses a problem for landing if the KDE apps still get broken [13:06] Mirv: i definitely would not land them before they land upstream [13:06] it's a veeeeeeeery long patchset :D [13:06] let's make sure we land stuff that is good [13:06] tsdgeos: right, that was my thoughts too. I just thought to ask in case you think it's all flowers and butterflies. [13:06] thiago told me he'll fix the issue with KUniqueApplication before landing [13:07] but afaics it has not happened yet [13:07] yes at least not with the latest patches (one of which was supposed to fix it) [13:07] or we don't have all the patches, will take to him later when he wakes up [13:07] thanks! [14:06] So I tried to use QtCreator the other day to create a new kit. It failed during building the kit (and/because?) it unmounted my encrypted HOME.... [14:06] Has anyone else seen that? [14:08] mterry, works fine here... however, non-ecrypted home [14:08] zbenjamin, is there a known issue with encrypted home partitions? ^^ [14:08] mzanetti, humphhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1436852 [14:08] Ubuntu bug 1436852 in qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "Click Target creations fails on vivid, unmounting encrypted home directory" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:08] oh... there it is [14:09] That's... Super annoying [14:09] odd... [14:10] mzanetti, I tried reproducing the dbus command that qtcreator is apparently running, but didn't repro the bug. But if there is a reproduction recipe that doesn't involve qtcreator, I could actually help [14:10] mterry, ack. will try to repro without QtC [14:10] mzanetti, or! [14:10] mzanetti, I can just use a different user account on this machine [14:10] if you have one, yes [14:10] duh [14:11] * mterry forgot that was user-specific, not machine-specific [14:11] mterry, you can actually use a created click chroot with other users afterwards - if it's just the creating that fails [14:11] mzanetti, even better [14:11] mterry, /etc/chroot.d/ [14:11] mzanetti, do you know where that lives in the user folder? [14:11] there's a config file for each chroot [14:11] mzanetti, oh it's system wide? [14:11] add all the users there [14:11] the chroot itself lives in /var/lib iirc [14:13] yeah they're schroot-based [14:13] mzanetti: mterry: thats a pretty annoying one oO [14:14] mterry: "Super annoying" sounds like an understatement [14:14] * mzanetti gives out a round of snickers :) [14:16] luks FTW! [14:17] at least it doesn't drag btrfs to a halt under stress [14:21] tsdgeos, oh btw, can you please comment on the screenshot card (and tweak description/tasks) about what we discussed earlier today [14:21] sure [14:22] i already removed the "needs to be done in qtmir" part this morning [14:22] let me see if something else needs changing [14:25] Saviq: actually i don't understand the difference between points 2 and 3 of the acceptance criteria [14:26] tsdgeos, I think they complement each other [14:26] tsdgeos, obviously those were written with scopes-as-apps in mind [14:27] tsdgeos, the only real difference is the activity indicator on splash screen (which should not be displayed until you focused the app) [15:02] Saviq: are you going to have time to look at the UOS session proposals today? [15:03] also, I would like to get a track lead from the Unity team to help schedule the Convergence track [15:03] any volunteers? [15:04] work load is minimal, since we've already got a bunch of proposed sessions, we just need to appoint someone to host them and then put them on the schedule [15:04] mhall119, I asked the guys to assign themselves where applicable in the pad [15:04] tsdgeos: mzanetti: can one or both of you give a demo showing the current state of Unity 8's desktop abilities? [15:04] @unity ↑ mhall119 nudges you slightly :) [15:05] thanks Saviq :) [15:05] mhall119, mzanetti'd likely be best for that, along with the upcoming desktop alt-tab/right-edge switcher [15:05] is @unity a team highlight? [15:05] mhall119, yeah [15:05] nice [15:05] yeah, I saw a design for the new switcher, looks slick, that would be a great thing to demo [15:06] mhall119, when, where, how? [15:06] mzanetti: I'm at the desktop sprint in London, we had a couple of the designers here yesterday [15:06] ah right. Vesa told me [15:07] doesn't really answer the question though :) [15:08] oh... the UOS [15:08] oh, I thought you were asking when, where and how *I* saw it [15:08] :) [15:08] yes, UOS, on the Show & Tell track that balloons is running [15:09] so, start a hangout, share your screen or point your webcam at a device, however you can show it [15:09] ack [15:09] yeah, can do I guess [15:09] since I assume google hangouts don't work on Unity8 yet [15:09] when is the UOS? [15:09] May 5-7 [15:09] 1400-2000 UTC [15:09] ack [15:10] I'll be here. but try to not put my slot as early as possible [15:10] mzanetti: just run Machine vs Machines on desktop if that doesn't make everyone race out and buy a device they have no soul ;) [15:10] try to not put it early? [15:10] erm [15:10] sorry [15:10] as early as possible [15:10] 16:00 UTC is my theoretical EOD [15:10] ok, that we can do [15:10] balloons: ^^ [15:10] while I can do a bit later, I'd prefer not to have this at like 9 or 10 pm [15:11] ack [15:12] dednick, any idea about "/usr/bin/unity-mock-indicator-service: 1: /usr/bin/unity-mock-indicator-service: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")")" ? [15:13] dednick, seems to be introduced by one of the branches in http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/#?q=ubuntu/landing-017 [15:15] huuuh [15:15] /usr/bin/unity-mock-indicator-service: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error [15:15] onoes [15:16] [15:16] dednick, unity8-autopilot is a binary independent package [15:16] we can't ship a binary from it [15:18] how did we release that... [15:24] dednick, https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/fix-mock-indicator/+merge/256958 [15:25] mterry: there? [15:25] tsdgeos, yup [15:25] mterry: i think bzr tells me you introduced [15:25] readonly property url defaultScreenshot: (root.application && root.application.defaultScreenshot !== undefined) ? root.application.defaultScreenshot : "" [15:25] in ApplicationWindow.qml [15:26] Saviq: hm. woops [15:26] but i can't find where that defaultScreenshot property is supposed to come [15:26] tsdgeos, ah yes... to make a fake Tutorial work [15:26] tsdgeos, I think it's only used in Tutorial/ [15:26] ah [15:26] tsdgeos, to fake a running app screenshot [15:26] it's a fake injected property [15:26] k [15:27] well fake appmanager property [15:27] tsdgeos, I probably should have commented that [15:27] hey could anyone point out if there is any (easy, doesn't matter if very hackish) way to replace Dash in unity8 with our own app for prototyping purposes? [15:28] vesar_: overwrite the binary? :D [15:28] vesar_, restart unity8-dash BINARY=/path/to/your/binary [15:28] vesar_, or you can add a unity8-dash.override file in ~/.config/upstart/ [15:29] vesar, and put "exec /path/to/your/binary" there [15:29] vesar, after all, dash is just an app these days [15:29] vesar, otherwise you can just launch your app, go `stop unity8-dash` to stop the actual dash and you're done [15:29] vesar, depends how persistent you want it to be [15:30] Saviq, I don't think the latter would work since I want BFB and long left edge swipes to get to my app [15:31] vesar_, right, in that case the .override is best [15:31] but the first one sounds promising I guess, we could try that [15:31] Saviq, tsdgeos, very good. thank, we'll try that [15:32] faenil, ^^ [15:32] thanks, very nice [15:32] vesar, faenil, http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#override-files [15:33] with http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#session-job giving some details about user jobs (vs. system jobs) [15:33] good :) [15:33] and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/trunk/view/head:/data/unity8-dash.conf is the main unity8-dash job so you can override any of those [15:34] faenil, vesar, you want the --desktop_file_hint=... in your override file, too [15:34] btw, pstolowski ↑ UNITY_SCOPES_LIST is deprecated, 'innit? [15:34] ah right, the mir longlasting issue [15:35] faenil, s/issue/feature/ [15:35] nice try :P [15:35] no, for real :P [15:35] it'll never go away completely [15:35] :) [15:35] Saviq, it is, but let me check if we don't reference it in an obscured dark corner somewhere... [15:36] faenil, we need a way to create a 1:n relationship of app to surfaces, we don't want bamf any more [15:37] faenil, so a Mir client must be securely (unspoofingly) identified as a particular app [15:39] Saviq, not used or referenced in any way by shell plugin [15:40] pstolowski, kk [15:42] Saviq: oki :) [15:52] hi. looking at the unity code base right now. whats the difference between the unity-standalone and unity-shared folders? [15:56] sidi_: unity-standalone appears to allow one to run unity in a window on your existing desktop. the real meat & bones of unity is in unity-shared though [15:58] greyback, ah great! thanks [16:27] greyback, can you volunteer to the "Desktop app lifecycle management" session (I'll try and be there too) [16:28] Saviq: I suppose so, but I'm not really up on what we intend to do [16:28] greyback, which is what the UOS sessions are meant to be, they're not talks [16:28] Saviq: alrighty [16:28] consider me volunteered [16:28] tx [16:29] mzanetti, I'm putting you next to "Unity8 desktop demo" as I understand you agreed on the plan with mhall119? [16:30] ok [16:30] Saviq, ^ [16:30] mhall119, I'm not sure what "Developing Unity8" is meant to be? is it *for* Unity8, or unity8 itself (in which cae "porting X11 apps..." doesn't fit in that session?) [16:30] mzanetti, tx [16:32] mhall119, "adding traditional desktop" is something that needs design consideration first and foremost, we've just skimmed over some ideas with Giorgio, but that's about it [16:32] mhall119, "unity8 as default" should probably be led by willcooke&friends [16:36] Saviq, mhall119 - happy to get involved with that, I think we'd also like to talk about what desktop-style features we need from U8 - so if we can have a U8 person there to talk to that would be good [16:43] willcooke, oh sure, we'll be there, just that leading is more of a you thing on this topic I'd say [16:44] oki, sounds good to me. thanks Saviq [16:45] willcooke, added you next to it on mhall119's pad, delegate as needed http://pad.ubuntu.com/MQ01t50gLb :) [16:46] *cough* my pad [16:46] ;) [16:46] well [16:46] I created it, mhall119 did all the work [16:46] ;) [16:47] oups [16:58] Saviq: agreed on the X11 porting docs, will take that off [16:58] and yes,it's about telling people how to be involved in developing Unity 8 itself [16:59] mhall119, added myself as placeholder, will likely delegate tomorrow [16:59] mhall119, so the remaining bit is "traditional desktop on unity8" on which there's little we thought about [17:00] Saviq: that's something design has been talking to seb128 about, I'll see if he can host that [18:15] i'm stuck trying to build unity on vivid, missing the "pam" and "release-upload-version" dependencies. i have libpam0g-dev installed, and no idea what the second dep is meant to be. Am I missing some obvious step? [18:21] sidi_, use "mk-build-deps" from devscripts to install the dependencies [18:21] sidi_, or at least `apt-get build-dep unity` [18:24] Saviq, thanks, all is installed. these two dependencies are still not resolved by cmake [18:28] sidi_, can you paste the cmake log to http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ ? [18:30] sure [18:31] * Saviq fires up a build in a chroot in the mean time [18:32] http://paste.ubuntu.com/10862734/ [18:33] sidi_, it looks fine, those are just warnings [18:34] sidi_, it generated the build rules fine, so you should be able to make or ninja just fine now [18:34] Saviq, good to hear. i'll need to package my changes so i dont want to package a half-broken version :-) [18:36] Thanks for checking in any case [18:37] sure