[05:20] <barrydk> Morning everyone
[05:20]  * pieter2627 o/ to all the early joiners
[05:20] <Kilos> hi barrydk  and everyone else
[05:20] <Jacques_Stry> Morning
[05:20] <Kilos> hi pieter2627  
[05:20] <Kilos> ohi Jacques_Stry  as well also too
[05:20] <pieter2627> Ooi oi Kilos
[05:21] <Kilos> sorry i was distracted
[05:21]  * Jacques_Stry waves
[05:21] <Kilos> bad greeter bot today
[05:40] <barrydk> Kilos:  at our age we cant get distracted anymore
[05:40] <Kilos> hehe
[05:41] <Kilos> wow 40 nicks and so early
[05:42] <pieter2627> was actually surprised about it yesterday - when i joined here last month top was 31
[05:42] <Kilos> lol
[05:48] <Kilos> ive been trying for years to get 50 peeps here, most so far has been 47 at meeting night
[05:48] <Kilos> i always said when we get to 50 i can retire
[05:49] <Kilos> now ive been told its not in my contract , the retirement option
[05:49]  * pieter2627 is glad can != should
[05:49] <Kilos> ?
[05:50]  * Jacques_Stry is glad can does not equal should
[05:50] <Kilos> lol
[05:50] <pieter2627> != means is not the same (does not equal)
[05:50] <Jacques_Stry> Programming syntax
[05:50] <pieter2627> ^^
[05:50] <Kilos> oh ty
[05:51]  * pieter2627 now knows why Kilos did not understand him yesterday
[05:51] <Kilos> lol i know nothing about programming
[05:52] <pieter2627> but you went through the lpi?
[05:52] <Kilos> only first 100 pages mainly that is on hardware
[05:53] <Kilos> after that i gave up
[05:53] <pieter2627> when you pick it up again, start from the back :P
[05:53] <Kilos> lol
[05:53] <Jacques_Stry> ^^
[05:53] <Kilos> i tried python as well
[05:53] <Kilos> whew
[05:54] <Kilos> managed to do Hello World
[05:54] <pieter2627> and then the variables?
[05:54] <Kilos> i dont like vim
[05:55] <Kilos> even this restructured text is too heavy
[05:55] <Kilos> i can learn but only while doing it then its forgotten
[05:56]  * pieter2627 thinks that a debugger is the best help for a beginner - can remember trying to learn js without it
[05:56] <pieter2627> that is how you are suppose to learn
[05:57] <Kilos> when reading a book i often have to reread previous passages to pick up the story again
[05:57] <Kilos> 'my ram is broken
[05:58] <Kilos> but i love fiddling with hardware
[05:58] <Kilos> then i can see what i am doing and dont have to remember what i have done
[05:59]  * pieter2627 thinks about leaving before he has to help fixing something
[05:59] <Kilos> lol
[06:04] <Kilos> all you guys did a wonderful job on the site, ty so much
[06:04] <DalekSec> 'Welcome.
[06:04]  * DalekSec ducks
[06:05] <Kilos> hi there DalekSec  
[06:05] <DalekSec> Howdy.
[06:05] <Kilos> hehe you sneaky hey
[06:05] <Kilos> have you seen the site in question
[06:05] <Kilos> DalekSec  ^
[06:06] <Kilos> http://ubuntu-africa.info
[06:08] <DalekSec> Same framework as -za, but a bit different.
[06:09] <Kilos> very different
[06:09] <Kilos> hit refresh a few times and watch the pictures change
[06:16]  * pieter2627 now has time to find out about Kilos's broken ram
[06:16] <Kilos> lol dont you know the story?
[06:16] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:17] <pieter2627> oh, just figured it out
[06:17] <Kilos> my head was bust open by a windmill and my ram leaked out
[06:17] <Kilos> what did you figure out
[06:18] <pieter2627> that ram is a metaphor
[06:18] <Kilos> ya that thing
[06:19] <Kilos> i arrived at hospital doa and was rebooted in icu
[06:20] <Kilos> so some things in head dont work like normal peeps
[06:20] <pieter2627> with regard to ram leakage in the topic above, the same applies in programming (at least you can leave comments in the code)
[06:20] <Kilos> lol
[06:21] <pieter2627> they should have flashed ubuntu rather that reboot :P
[06:21] <Kilos> haha
[06:55] <Squirm> Morning
[06:55] <Squirm> My Google Chome keeps crashing :/
[06:55] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[07:00] <Kilos> have you tried another browser Squirm  
[07:01] <Kilos> might not be chrome thats sick
[07:23] <Kilos> eish power cut tomorrow from 0800 till 1600 for  maintenance on lines
[07:26] <Kilos> eish some more on second read 1800
[07:26] <Jacques_Stry> >.<
[07:34] <Squirm> ouch
[07:34] <Squirm> Kilos: But I like chrome :/
[07:34] <Squirm> Syncs all my devices
[07:34] <Kilos> it might be a deeper prob Squirm  
[07:35] <Jacques_Stry> How's your ram usage? Is your pc maybe runnung out of ram?
[07:35] <Squirm> Mmmm, yeah, I think it's because my 8Gb of RAM can't handle my browsing needs
[07:35] <Kilos> so if other browser also crashes then find out why then go back to chrome
[07:35] <Jacques_Stry> lol
[07:35] <Squirm> Jacques_Stry: I know it is
[07:35] <Squirm> Chrome is a memory hog(I had a more colourful word in mind)
[07:36] <Jacques_Stry> Chrome is but how many tabs do you have to run out of ram on 8gb?
[07:37] <Squirm> when I open Chrome, 15 tabs open up, tabs I use very often.
[07:37] <Squirm> So then... Due to work, many more tabs get opened
[07:38] <Kilos> ai! opera open 20 + tabs here everyday and often gets to 40+ and dont crash
[07:39] <Kilos> and i got 4g ram
[07:39] <Kilos> but i dont stream stuff
[07:39] <Jacques_Stry> On chrome you usually use +-250mb per tab so 15 tabs already equals about 4gb of ram used
[07:39] <Squirm> Kilos: yeah... Firefox is also good. But I like Chrome :/
[07:39] <Squirm> Jacques_Stry: indeed. Unless you've had mybroadband or Facebook open for a day or two, then they move up to ~500mb
[07:40] <Kilos> is chromium the same hog or a bit better
[07:40] <Jacques_Stry> >.<
[07:40] <Jacques_Stry> Should be a bit lighter i think
[07:40] <Jacques_Stry> but no built in flash
[07:41] <Jacques_Stry> so you have to install it separately
[07:42] <Squirm> I have 34 Chrome Helper Processes running
[07:42] <Squirm> I have so much open. I'm using SWAP
[07:43] <Squirm> But thanks to my SSD, it's quite a usable machine
[07:43] <Squirm> I hardly notice the SWAP usage, unless I had to open my VM
[07:45] <Jacques_Stry> 15.04 currently has a issue with the mediascanner service
[07:45] <Jacques_Stry> slow down recognition of new drives and uses 750mb+ ram
[07:46] <Jacques_Stry> disabling
[07:46] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:47] <Jacques_Stry> Just letting you guys know if you upgrade
[07:48] <Kilos> there are still tons of bugs that need fixing
[07:48] <Kilos> they most likely last minute rush them
[07:48] <Jacques_Stry> Well I usually disable the service anyway - no point in it for me anyway
[07:48] <Kilos> ill stay on 14.04 i think
[07:49] <pieter2627> Squirm: firefox has an add-on called UnloadTab to unload tabs that have not been used for a while which i use (maybe chrome has similar)
[07:49] <Squirm> pieter2627: cool
[07:49] <Squirm> pieter2627: does the tab stay open? Just dead?
[07:50] <Squirm> I've started using evernote again, for article storage, so I don't leave tabs open for future use
[07:50] <pieter2627> I also disabled loading tabs on startup until needed...
[07:50] <pieter2627> yes stayes open is just unloaded from ram
[07:51] <pieter2627> for me this helps to have 150 tabs open (in groups) on 2Gb
[07:52] <Jacques_Stry> O.O
[07:52] <pieter2627> pinned tabs just aren't unloaded
[07:54] <Jacques_Stry> can try this: https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CBwQFjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fchrome.google.com%2Fwebstore%2Fdetail%2Fthe-great-suspender%2Fklbibkeccnjlkjkiokjodocebajanakg%3Fhl%3Den&ei=GgI2VZKfL-TC7gaumoHADQ&usg=AFQjCNGRTAXowoxT0jhIpq-MClgBZGMVxw&sig2=8yL-xKr5fDmN3F3eDSH3gw&bvm=bv.91071109,d.bGQ
[07:55] <Jacques_Stry> Sorry for long link
[07:56] <Kilos> Jacques_Stry  use maaz in pm to shorten them
[07:56] <Jacques_Stry> Will do
[07:56] <Kilos> command is maaz shorten link
[07:56] <Kilos> doesnt worry me though
[07:57] <Kilos> a link is a link even if its hanging off the screen at times
[07:57] <Jacques_Stry> ^^
[08:35] <Kilos> pieter2627  youre plan didnt work
[08:36] <Kilos> doesnt it disconnect when you are afk
[08:45] <pieter2627> konversation frooze when i clicked the link
[08:47] <Kilos> oh my
[08:48] <Kilos> you on kde or konversation on unity
[09:01] <pieter2627> the plan didn't work, but a restart did
[09:01] <pieter2627> am testing kubuntu 15.04
[09:04] <Kilos> aha
[09:05] <Kilos> just try sudo aptitude reinstall konversation and see if it wants to download anything
[09:06] <Kilos> sjoe 15.04 kde with 2g ram
[09:06] <Kilos> you are petient
[09:06] <Kilos> patient
[09:08] <pieter2627> i would expect it to download konversation since it is not in my cache
[09:08] <Kilos> ah
[09:08] <pieter2627> the plasmashell only uses about 150Mb?
[09:09] <pieter2627> with ff closed, using 1.3Gb
[09:09] <Kilos> im bang to upgrade because everything is so lekker stable on 14.04
[09:10] <pieter2627> nah, i love new toys :)
[09:10] <Kilos> lol
[09:13]  * pieter2627 can confirm that it downloaded only konversation
[09:14] <Kilos> and you done an aptitude upgrade?
[09:15] <Kilos> why is youre cache empty
[09:15] <pieter2627> busy with that now (using apt-get)
[09:16] <pieter2627> because it is a fresh install
[09:16] <Kilos> oh you still installing
[09:16] <pieter2627> nope, checking for updates
[09:17] <Kilos> when youve done apt-get upgrade then do aptitude upgrade
[09:17] <pieter2627> ok
[09:18] <Kilos> im a serious aptitude fan
[09:18] <pieter2627> yeah i've seen so
[09:18] <Kilos> haha
[09:19] <Kilos> i wonder if fly and pro are still aptitude peeps
[09:20] <Kilos> they the ones that taught me to use it
[09:20] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[09:20] <pieter2627> you and pro talked about it with the africa build instructions
[09:20] <Kilos> oh
[09:21] <pieter2627> that's how "i've seen so"
[09:21] <Kilos> lol
[10:03] <Kilos> pieter2627  comment from above
[10:03] <Kilos> MooDoo> how about the learn more button in the ubuntu africa section lining up with the other two buttons so it doesn't look like it's out of place....like i said very trivial 
[10:04] <pieter2627> comment?
[10:05] <Kilos> the top guys are looking at the site
[10:06] <Kilos> you can go see comments on #ubuntu-locoteams
[10:07] <pieter2627> ok will check the logs... they want the learn more button to line up with the others?
[10:07] <Kilos> it was just a trivial suggestion
[10:08] <pieter2627> yea, i used wrong wording... it sounds good, will try and give a screenshot later
[10:09] <Kilos> cool ty
[10:09] <Kilos> no rush 
[10:10] <Kilos> its at the council for approval
[10:10] <pieter2627> oky
[10:10] <Kilos> so even Mark will look at it
[10:12] <Kilos> we might need to add some french greeting there too, i just need to find out how many countries use french as first language
[10:13] <Kilos> the drc havent joined the irc channel so far because they are all french
[10:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> hi Kilos 
[10:41] <pieter2627> Kilos: http://pasteboard.co/2JePjRzI.png
[10:41] <pieter2627> that is a quick firebug tickering... there might be some issues; will need fly and pro's input
[10:42] <Kilos> let me find the old one and see the diffs
[10:42] <pieter2627> Kilos: http://ubuntu-africa.info/
[10:43] <pieter2627> wbbl - gonna have lunch
[10:43] <Kilos> i have it open all the time just need to find which tab
[10:43] <Kilos> enjoy
[10:47] <Padroni> hi all
[10:47] <Kilos> hi Padroni  you well?
[10:48] <Padroni> Iam
[10:48] <Padroni> you?
[10:48] <Kilos> yes ty
[10:48] <Padroni> trying to get the guys from the Ubuntu-SA FB page to join here
[10:48] <Kilos> i just got the mail
[10:48] <Kilos> i saw the whats that hehe
[10:49] <Padroni> what mail?
[10:49]  * Padroni just switched to Cinnamon
[10:49] <Kilos> i get mails everytime something im part of gets changed
[10:50] <Kilos> even when strangers membership expires sigh
[10:50] <Padroni> who's memberrship expired?
[10:51] <Kilos> some ubuntu member
[10:52] <Kilos> im bang if i unsubscribe then i miss important stuff
[10:52] <Kilos> so i take the good with the useless info
[10:56] <Kilos> and the fb mails keep me up to date with what happens with family and friends without me nneding to go to fb
[10:56] <Kilos> needing
[10:58] <Jacques_Stry> Hey Padroni
[10:58] <Padroni> yo Jacques_Stry
[10:58] <Padroni> long time...
[10:59] <Jacques_Stry> Looks like everytime I log in your offline and visa-versa
[10:59] <Jacques_Stry> :)
[11:00] <Jacques_Stry> You on cinnamon? Mmmm...
[11:00] <Kilos> hmm...
[11:00] <Jacques_Stry> You on Mint now or Still normal ubuntu
[11:01] <Padroni> ubuntu, but trying out Cinnamon
[11:01] <Padroni> I remember cinnamon from my days of using Mint
[11:01] <Padroni> it's pretty
[11:02]  * Padroni is flying up to PTA on Thursday
[11:04] <Jacques_Stry> what you doing in PTA
[11:09] <Padroni> court on friday
[11:09] <Jacques_Stry> >.<
[11:09] <Kilos> ai!
[11:09] <Padroni> yes
[11:09] <Padroni> Taking my laptop and iPad
[11:09] <Kilos> what a schlep
[11:09] <Padroni> series-binge thursday and friday
[11:10] <Padroni> oh well
[11:10] <Padroni> I miss 2 days of work
[11:10] <Padroni> so there's that
[11:10] <Kilos> yeah but when you get back more to catch up
[11:10] <Kilos> so you dont miss much actually
[11:11]  * Padroni waves at Squirm
[11:11]  * Squirm eyes Padroni
[11:11] <Squirm> I thought it was you
[11:12] <Padroni> haha
[11:12]  * Padroni be recruitin'
[11:12] <Padroni> Help that simon guy to get in too
[11:12] <Padroni> he says he can't chat from the site
[11:12] <Squirm> Strange
[11:16] <qwebirc15858> Hey Guys :) 
[11:16] <Padroni> hey Simon-JHB
[11:16]  * Jacques_Stry waves
[11:16] <Padroni> Welcome
[11:16] <qwebirc15858> lol it took me 10 hours to figure out how to send a text in this chatroom LOL
[11:16] <Squirm> Haha
[11:16] <Squirm> ^^
[11:17] <Padroni> damn son
[11:17] <Padroni> how come/
[11:17] <Padroni> ?
[11:18] <Simon-JHB> So pals where do you all stay? I am in JHB as my name suggest
[11:18] <Kilos> hi qwebirc15858  
[11:19] <Kilos> pta
[11:19] <Kilos> ohi Simon-JHB  too
[11:21] <Simon-JHB> Padroni my keyboard has many keys, so it' a struggle to find the right keys to construct a sentence in English HAHAHA 
[11:21] <Squirm> lunch time, chat later
[11:21] <Kilos> lol
[11:21] <Simon-JHB> Okay later Squirm!
[11:22] <Kilos> jy kan die taal praat ook
[11:22] <Kilos> not too much Squirm  
[11:22] <Padroni> hehe
[11:22] <Padroni> Simon is new
[11:22] <Padroni> he is from Facebook
[11:22] <Padroni> on the interwebs
[11:22] <Kilos> cool
[11:23] <Kilos> now teach him to install an irc client
[11:23] <Padroni> should have xchat by default?
[11:23] <Kilos> there you go then
[11:23] <Simon-JHB> @Kilos haha YES please, will someone teach me how to install irc client...
[11:24] <Kilos> you using unity?
[11:24] <Simon-JHB> No I am using Gnome
[11:24] <Kilos> oi i dont know what gnome interface is like but anyway open a terminal
[11:25] <Kilos> ctrl+alt+t
[11:25] <Kilos> then type in xchat
[11:25] <Kilos> Padroni  havent you used gnome?
[11:25] <Simon-JHB> cool thanks, let me do that, will update on how it goes..
[11:26] <Kilos> ok
[11:26] <Padroni> i had Unity
[11:26] <Padroni> the ubuntu default one
[11:26] <Kilos> when it opens choose freenode and edit on the right
[11:26]  * pieter2627 notes to kilos that ctrl+alt+t doesn't seem to be cross flavour default - it does not work in kubuntu 15.04 :(
[11:27] <Kilos> 'no in kde you can set what you want
[11:27] <Kilos> i have ctrl+t as mine
[11:27] <Kilos> pieter2627  that looks good to me
[11:27] <pieter2627> yeah, but default was nice
[11:27] <Kilos> we need to shake inetpro  
[11:28] <Kilos> you guys can decide because its all the same to me
[11:28] <pieter2627> oh hi Simon-JHB and qwebirc15858
[11:30] <pieter2627> Kilos: there is just two diff ways to implement it - will need to decide which to use
[11:30] <Simon-JHB> Hi Pieter2627, will anyone please teach me Afrikaans, I forgot it the minute I left Free State to JHB :( 
[11:30] <Kilos> when Simon-JHB  has a client going pieter2627  then ill look for how
[11:30] <Kilos> in settings somewhere
[11:30] <Kilos> lol
[11:31] <Kilos> Simon-JHB  wen jy met die xchat ding
[11:32] <Jacques_Stry> Simon-JHB: sudo apt-get install xchat
[11:32] <Simon-JHB> Kilos I am done installing it, I am now getting the settings okay
[11:33] <Kilos> ok
[11:33] <Kilos> i thought it was in already
[11:34] <Kilos> Jacques_Stry  will you take over?
[11:34] <Kilos> pretty please
[11:34] <Jacques_Stry> will do
[11:34] <Kilos> im a kde and konversation man now
[11:35] <Kilos> ty
[11:35] <Jacques_Stry> Simon-JHB: In the network list choose FreeNode
[11:36] <simon__> Hey guys, Thanks Jacques
[11:36] <Jacques_Stry> Simon-JHB: Go to edit - in favorite channels add "#ubuntu-za,#ubuntu-africa,etc" without the " for all the channels you want to use
[11:36] <Jacques_Stry> haha your here
[11:37] <simon__> lol haha yeah bud, this things are not pap and vleis
[11:37] <Jacques_Stry> Glad nie
[11:37] <Kilos> hahaha
[11:38] <Kilos> once you are used to it you cant live without your daily chat
[11:38] <simon__> hahaha now I can breath a sigh of relief #hhhmmm
[11:38] <simon__> I hope so @Kilos
[11:38] <Kilos> and you get free cyber coffee
[11:38] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[11:38]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[11:39] <Jacques_Stry> Maaz: with milk
[11:39] <Maaz> Haha Jacques_Stry You aren't one of those that needs to drink black coffee to be able to cast a shadow!
[11:39] <simon__> hahaha now you making me crave for real black coffee
[11:39] <pieter2627> Maaz: with 2 sugar please
[11:39] <Maaz> pieter2627: What?
[11:40]  * pieter2627 is gonna have bitter coffee
[11:40] <Kilos> maaz with sugar
[11:40] <Maaz> Help yourself outa the sugar pot
[11:40] <simon__> Guys how long has this community been going?
[11:40] <Kilos> years
[11:40] <pieter2627> Kilos: how do i tell maaz... oh
[11:40] <Jacques_Stry> Well I have only been here about 2 Months
[11:40] <pieter2627> Maaz: coffee please
[11:40] <Maaz> pieter2627: Done
[11:41] <Kilos> Maaz  with cremora
[11:41] <Maaz> Ah! At last someone with taste
[11:41] <Kilos> Maaz  and milk
[11:41] <Maaz> Now you're talking
[11:42] <simon__> what is the main duty of the community? 
[11:42] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and pieter2627!
[11:43] <Kilos> we help new guys sort problems they are having
[11:43] <Kilos> Maaz  dankie man
[11:43] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[11:43] <pieter2627> maaz grazie
[11:43] <Maaz> pieter2627: Excuse me?
[11:43] <pieter2627> maaz thanks
[11:43] <Maaz> pieter2627: No problem
[11:43] <Kilos> the bot is a toy at times and other times does out monthly meeting minutes etc
[11:44] <simon__> okay cool!
[11:44]  * pieter2627 needs to learn this thing - so will cont to push it
[11:45] <Kilos> Maaz  help
[11:45] <Maaz> Kilos: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[11:45] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[11:45] <Kilos> pieter2627  better to pm the bot and then work your way through all it can do
[11:46] <MaNI> Maaz help me with do all my programming work for me
[11:46] <Maaz> MaNI: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features.
[11:46] <MaNI> aww
[11:46] <pieter2627> ok (msg or query?)
[11:47] <simon__> So guys what are typical professions of users in this group?
[11:47] <Kilos> all IT guys and me
[11:47] <Kilos> mechanic and farmer and greeter bot
[11:48] <Kilos> w0000t
[11:48] <Kilos> news from the top
[11:48] <Kilos> On 21/04/2015 13:05, Michael Hall wrote:
[11:48] <Kilos> > I see no problems or concerns with this site, everything looks great to me.
[11:52] <simon__> Alright if by any chance there's anyone who does some work in python(Django/Cherrypy) and they have some to outsource they can do so to me, I just wanna keep my python skills active, there's inst much python going on in SA hence I settled for php
[11:55]  * Padroni has been here 2 months and is widely considered an expert on nothing in particular
[11:55] <Kilos> oh simon__  you really want to wake up all python skills
[11:56] <Kilos> you can rewrite our bot in python3
[11:56] <simon__> Yeah Kilos I love python.
[11:56] <simon__> what is "bot"?
[11:56] <Kilos> great you will get on well with superfly  
[11:56] <Kilos> robot
[11:56] <simon__> oh lol
[11:56] <Kilos> the coffee maker
[11:56] <Kilos> its in the repos 
[11:56] <Kilos> ibid
[11:57] <simon__> what is it on currently?
[11:57] <Kilos> python 2 or 2.7 im not sure
[11:58] <Kilos> but doesnt tork in 14.04 or later that want python 3
[11:58] <simon__> lol but then if it's in 2.7 then why go python3? 2.7 has great matured fueatures
[11:58] <Kilos> if you are here tonight superfly  or inetpro  can explain
[11:58] <simon__> okay cool, what time?
[11:59] <Kilos> normally when they get home and sometimes after supper and on the odd occasion during the day
[12:00] <Kilos> depending on work of course
[12:00] <simon__> okie dokie, will pop in later then, I have to get back to work as well!
[12:01] <Kilos> cool nice to have you here
[12:01] <Kilos> we are here all day
[12:01] <simon__> likewise 
[12:02] <Kilos> Padroni  nice catch
[12:11] <Padroni> ty
[12:13] <Kilos> i love it when clever peeps join, i cant help them
[12:13] <Jacques_Stry> >.<
[12:24]  * Squirm looks around
[12:25] <Kilos> hehe
[12:29] <pieter2627> hi theamoeba
[12:29] <theamoeba> hey pieter2627 :)
[12:29] <pieter2627> Kilos: greeter bot seems broken
[12:29] <Kilos> hi theamoeba  welcome to ubuntu-za
[12:29] <Kilos> just slow pieter2627  
[12:29] <Kilos> but i have you guys too
[12:30] <pieter2627> yeah, but i don't know who is new and who is returning
[12:31] <Kilos> doesnt matter as long as peeps are greeted
[12:31] <Kilos> ty for standing in
[12:33] <Kilos> haha if you greet and they welcome you then they are old peeps returning
[12:33] <pieter2627> haha, yeah makes sense
[12:34] <Kilos> but wont be many old hands popping in i think
[12:34] <Kilos> most are here now or you have met them already
[13:10] <Padroni> Right
[13:10] <Padroni> I am off to lunch with the wife.
[13:10] <Padroni> laters, folks.
[13:10] <Kilos> cheers Padroni  go safe tomorrow
[13:10] <Kilos> is your laters a tomorrow thing
[13:10] <Kilos> or tonight
[13:10] <Padroni> either
[13:11] <Kilos> ai!
[13:11] <Jacques_Stry> Cheers, enjoy
[13:25] <Jacques_Stry> Going home, chat later o/
[13:25] <Kilos> cheers Jacques_Stry  
[13:39] <tailon> lo all
[13:43] <Kilos> hi ta
[13:43] <Kilos> ai!
[15:06] <Kilos> ai! die domdonner darem
[15:39] <Kilos> hi drussell  
[15:40] <drussell> Heya Kilos 
[15:55] <theamoeba> byebye
[15:56] <Kilos> oh my he didnt even say anything but byebye
[16:01] <melodie> Kilos therefore he did say something! Hello here btw! o/
[16:10] <Kilos> where
[16:10] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za melodie  
[16:11] <Kilos> oh she gone for a walk
[17:00] <Kilos> hi pieter2627  
[17:02] <pieter2627> evening Kilos
[17:17] <Kilos> pieter2627  hou bietjie daai comment en jou oplossing handig vir die pro asb
[17:17] <Kilos> ek verloor en vergeet goet
[17:18] <pieter2627> reg
[17:27] <Squirm> So
[17:27] <Squirm> I'm the only one in the office
[17:27] <Squirm> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4306582111
[17:31] <Kilos> hi rejerson69  welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:32] <Kilos> Squirm  what time do you guys close shop for the day?
[17:33] <Kilos> i tyhought IT peeps go home at 4 pm
[17:33] <Kilos> thought
[17:33] <Squirm> Generally 17h30ish
[17:48] <magespawn> good evening
[17:53] <inetpro> hi magespawn
[17:53] <inetpro> good evening everyone else
[17:53] <inetpro> oh and that includes oom Kilos
[17:53] <Kilos> haha hi there inetpro  
[17:54] <inetpro> what did i miss oom Kilos?
[17:54] <Kilos> ohi superfly  
[17:54] <Kilos> only me making mistooks inetpro  
[17:54] <inetpro> ?
[17:55] <Kilos> oh and a comment on the site
[17:55] <inetpro> only one comment?
[17:55] <Kilos> see pm man im shy to show here
[17:55] <inetpro> ai!
[17:55] <magespawn> inetpro did you get a ec2?
[17:55] <Kilos> comment on improving the look
[17:55] <Kilos> hi my magespawn  
[17:56] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[17:56] <Kilos> say hi to melodie  guys
[17:56] <magespawn> just because you are now a ubuntu larny, does not mean you can give up the greeter bot duties
[17:57] <Kilos> yes sorry magespawn  
[17:57] <inetpro> oom Kilos tell sabdfl to come and visit us here man
[17:57] <Kilos> im sure he dont wanna visit dom donners
[17:57] <magespawn> hah Kilos, lol
[17:57] <inetpro> ai!
[17:58] <Kilos> i havent found him on irc yet
[17:58] <Kilos> im also sure he is the only one on the council that understands my email addy
[17:58] <inetpro> Kilos: melodie is away at the moment
[17:59] <Kilos> she is a skelm and sometimes chats in away mode
[18:00] <inetpro> ah...
[18:00] <Kilos> melodie  ping
[18:00] <inetpro> welcome to #ubuntu-za melodie
[18:01] <Kilos> oh inetpro  i posted the one reply i got from the committee
[18:02] <Kilos> MooDoo> how about the learn more button in the ubuntu africa section lining up with the other two buttons so it doesn't look like it's out of place....like i said very trivial 
[18:02] <Kilos> ai! im too old to have to scroll so far man
[18:03] <Kilos> we also have a new python person that will look at rewriting ibid into python 3
[18:04] <Kilos> i told him to speak to you guys
[18:04] <Kilos> he asked why python 3 when 2.7 has all those features
[18:05] <Kilos> all i could say was we need three to make it work here
[18:05] <magespawn> the fly would argue for the latest version i think
[18:07] <magespawn> inetpro did you get a ec2?
[18:07] <Kilos> thats why i said ask him and pro for the reasons
[18:07] <Kilos> yes he did magespawn  
[18:07] <Kilos> even offered to run QA there when he has time
[18:08] <magespawn> do you know what he has been using it for?
[18:08] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:09] <Kilos> oh to host hibana
[18:09] <Kilos> hehe
[18:09] <Kilos> hibana ping
[18:12] <hibana> magespawn: oh, I'm here
[18:13] <inetpro> somewhere in Ireland
[18:13] <inetpro> he is*
[18:13] <Kilos> inetpro  http://pasteboard.co/2JePjRzI.png
[18:14] <Kilos> thats what pieter2627  suggested after the moodoo comment
[18:16] <inetpro> pieter2627: looks good, what do you need from us?
[18:16] <inetpro> Kilos: log a bug for us
[18:16] <Kilos> he will be back at 8.30
[18:17] <Kilos> a bug for where?
[18:17] <inetpro> any issues that people identify can be logged as bugs
[18:17] <Kilos> we dont have bugs, only things to move around
[18:17] <inetpro> fixing bugs is all part of the learning process 
[18:17] <Kilos> hi Simon-JHB  
[18:17] <inetpro> wb SilverCode
[18:18] <Simon-JHB> hey Kilos, how are you doing?
[18:18] <inetpro> oops... Simon-JHB
[18:18] <Kilos> inetpro  Simon-JHB  is the python man
[18:18] <Simon-JHB> hey inetpro haha
[18:18] <inetpro> hmm... Kilos, who's SilverCode?
[18:18] <Kilos> im good ty and you?
[18:18] <Simon-JHB> I'm well thanks!
[18:19] <inetpro> Kilos: looks like your family is growing by the day?
[18:19] <Kilos> inetpro  can you point him to the source code please
[18:19] <inetpro> ai!
[18:19] <Kilos> lol for ibid man
[18:20] <inetpro> Kilos: https://trello.com/c/od4hQ8XH
[18:20] <Simon-JHB> I think inetpro needs so strong black coffee to help him concentrate :)
[18:20] <Kilos> yeah
[18:20] <Kilos> Simon-JHB  https://github.com/ibid/ibid
[18:21] <Kilos> i hope thats it
[18:21] <Simon-JHB> okay will check it out, give me brief intro on the system you pointing me to?
[18:21] <inetpro> Simon-JHB: please join us on Trello as well https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco
[18:22] <Kilos> it is the bot we have here written in python by our guys that silicon valley stole from us
[18:22] <Simon-JHB> will do inetpro, thanks!
[18:23] <Simon-JHB> Isn't silicon valley based in America? if so then no surprise by that :)
[18:24] <Kilos> yeah our dev guys are there now
[18:26] <inetpro> Kilos: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-africa/+filebug
[18:26] <Kilos> ai!
[18:26] <Kilos> didnt you read the comment
[18:26] <Kilos> very trivial
[18:28] <Kilos> hibana  cant you put the breaks on that guy
[18:29] <Kilos> how can he file a bug on my beautiful site
[18:29] <Kilos> magespawn  you supposed to support man
[18:29] <hibana> Kilos: a bug is a bug
[18:30] <Kilos> ai!
[18:31] <Kilos> hibana  go back to ireland
[18:31] <Kilos> oh my
[18:33] <inetpro> magespawn: currently I'm not doing much with with my ec2 other than giving hibana his own home on the globe 
[18:34]  * hibana goes back to sleep
[18:34] <Kilos> lol
[18:35] <Simon-JHB> Okay thanks for the links guys, I will go through the source code on github to familiarise myself with the system logic
[18:36] <pieter2627> inetpro: there are two ways to implement that...
[18:36] <Kilos> cool
[18:36] <inetpro> Simon-JHB: I'm sure Kilos is very happy to see someone working on ibid again at long last
[18:37] <pieter2627> 1) using something that is considered a css hack thingy - does not work in ie7 or less
[18:37] <Kilos> yeah very very happy
[18:37] <pieter2627> 2) using a new css3 attribute that also has ie support issues - just have to confirm others
[18:38] <Simon-JHB> lol haha @inetpro I love python, so I badly needed something to help me communicate with this beauty, I am tired working with php but it pays the bills
[18:38] <Simon-JHB> who are active members on the system beside you Kilos of-course?
[18:39] <Kilos> not me
[18:39] <Kilos> there is a channel
[18:39] <Kilos> but i think they all in silicon valley now
[18:39] <Kilos> Maaz  ibid.channel
[18:39] <Maaz> Kilos: Sorry...
[18:40] <Kilos> Maaz  ibid channel
[18:40] <Maaz> irc://autumn.cpt.za.atrum.org
[18:40] <Simon-JHB> al-right  
[18:40] <Kilos> tumbleweed  you here?
[18:40] <pieter2627> the support for option 2 (http://caniuse.com/#feat=flexbox)
[18:40] <tumbleweed> Kilos: hi
[18:41] <pieter2627> inetpro: so don't know which to use
[18:41] <Kilos> ohi tumbleweed  we have a guy that will look at rewriting ibid
[18:41] <Kilos> into python 3
[18:42] <Kilos> can you just be stanby in case he needs some help please
[18:42] <Kilos> maybe once a week or so
[18:42] <Kilos> or via email
[18:42] <tumbleweed> Kilos: I'm around to help, yes
[18:43] <tumbleweed> there's an ibid development IRC channel
[18:43] <Kilos> cool ty tumbleweed  
[18:43] <Kilos> irc://autumn.cpt.za.atrum.org
[18:43] <Kilos> that one
[18:43] <tumbleweed> that's just a server
[18:43] <tumbleweed> #ibid on atrum
[18:43] <Kilos> Simon-JHB  are you watching
[18:43] <tumbleweed> if nobody replies (I forget to look at that channel), ping me or Vhata
[18:44] <Simon-JHB> yeah I am watching Kilos..
[18:44] <Kilos> tumbleweed  maintained ibid for years
[18:44] <Simon-JHB> hi tumbleweed nice to meet you!
[18:44] <Kilos> so i think do what you can then where you get stuck we can ping tumbleweed  
[18:45] <tumbleweed> Simon-JHB: you too
[18:45] <Simon-JHB> yeah sounds great Kilos
[18:45] <Kilos> cool
[18:46] <Kilos> actually someone else did some work there too and gave up
[18:46] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:46] <Simon-JHB> what server are we rewriting it to again Kilos?
[18:46] <Kilos> i think he added a braai function
[18:46] <inetpro> pieter2627: you really think we should care much about ie7 or less?
[18:47] <Kilos> Simon-JHB  rewrite the whole thing then we install on our pcs for testing purposes first
[18:47] <inetpro> ai!
[18:47] <Simon-JHB> hahaha maybe he got a kid/s and wife/husband then responsibilities started piling up, that's the possibility
[18:48] <pieter2627> no imo, but i don't know the feelings of you guys who are 'on top'
[18:48] <Kilos> then if all runs well we ask the host of maaz to upgrade or we run it by inetpro  
[18:48] <inetpro> pieter2627: feelings? haha
[18:48] <Kilos> pieter2627  explain that please
[18:48] <inetpro> pieter2627: we live in a do-ocracy here
[18:48] <Simon-JHB> okay Kilos
[18:49] <Kilos> do you mean ie7 wont be able to see the site?
[18:49] <inetpro> Kilos: no man
[18:49] <Kilos> thats why i asked explain
[18:49] <inetpro> maybe if they couldn't see it, they shouldn't anyway
[18:50] <pieter2627> Kilos: i don't know if you might care about cross browser compatibility
[18:50] <Kilos> that is something to think about
[18:51] <Kilos> because how will you attract new peeps to ubuntu if they cant open it
[18:51] <Kilos> oh wait
[18:51] <Kilos> if they using ie they have probs anyway
[18:51] <inetpro> Kilos: nou verstaan jy
[18:51] <Kilos> we can fly over africa and drop flyers saying install firefox
[18:52] <Kilos> hehe
[18:52] <Kilos> ya pieter2627  forget ie
[18:52] <pieter2627> Kilos: at least the buttons won't line up in this case - site still functional
[18:53] <Kilos> i didnt understand the comment in the first place
[18:53] <Kilos> werent things supposed to line up
[18:53] <pieter2627> Kilos: ok, will see to push a branch tommorow if it will fix a bug :)
[18:53] <Kilos> yay ty pieter2627  
[18:54] <inetpro> Kilos: did you get his message even?
[18:54] <pieter2627> Kilos: they don't currently
[18:54] <Kilos> whose?
[18:54] <inetpro> "if it will fix a bug"
[18:54] <inetpro> Kilos: log a bug
[18:54] <stickyboy> Addis Addis...
[18:54] <Kilos> i ignored that on purpose
[18:54] <Kilos> my dev team dont make mistakes
[18:55] <pieter2627> oh, should i also include that spelling bug :P in the branch
[18:55] <Kilos> eeek
[18:55] <Kilos> yes please
[18:55] <inetpro> pieter2627: go for it
[18:56] <inetpro> pieter2627: and anything else you see, or think should be modified or added
[18:58] <pieter2627> inetpro: i am currently trying to figure out how to create a custom directive for reStructureedText in Nikola since some aren't native to bootstrap
[18:58] <pieter2627> inetpro: you wouldn't maybe know how to do this
[18:59] <Kilos> inetpro  loves  reStructureedText
[19:00] <inetpro> pieter2627: sounds interesting but I'm afraid I'm still a newbie when it comes to reStructuredText, let alone Nikola
[19:00]  * pieter2627 has the same issue
[19:00] <Kilos> if you dont try youll never learn
[19:02] <inetpro> pieter2627: join #nikola and ask them for advice perhaps
[19:03] <pieter2627> inetpro: that will help ty
[19:13] <magespawn> pieter2627: is anyone still using ie7?
[19:17] <inetpro> magespawn: good question
[19:17]  * inetpro hasn't looked at stats for a long time
[19:17] <inetpro> http://www.w3counter.com/trends
[19:17] <inetpro> very interesting 
[19:18] <pieter2627> magespawn: i don't think one should count those that do as any one :P so no
[19:18] <pieter2627> but then again, maybe we should look at africa stats
[19:19] <Kilos> forget ie
[19:19] <Kilos> if the cant even guess that there are better browsers out there they wont guess there are better operating systems out there
[19:20] <pieter2627> just to confirm, it is option 2 (css3) that should be used right (just confused myself)?
[19:21] <inetpro> where are the other webmasters around here?
[19:21] <Kilos> moppie still away for 4 weeks more
[19:22] <stickyboy> w0op
[19:23] <pieter2627> me tired, night all
[19:23] <Kilos> night pieter2627  ty
[19:23] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:23] <inetpro> good night pieter2627
[19:24] <inetpro> oh and thanks for  staying in there
[19:24] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:24] <Kilos> lol
[19:44] <magespawn> i see they are doing a CSI Cyber
[19:44] <Kilos> oh yeah watch 2 so far i think
[19:46] <magespawn> and?
[19:46] <Kilos> not bad
[19:46] <magespawn> hmm
[19:46] <Kilos> but ive heard more tech stuff in linux channels so far
[19:47] <Kilos> the series i can almost understand
[19:47] <Kilos> but they havent said sudo yet
[19:54]  * Kilos thinks geeks arent proper geeks if they dont know what sudo is
[19:56] <inetpro> Kilos: you want to see geek stuff then you must read about clock stability
[19:56] <Kilos> no more rtfs
[19:58] <Kilos> inetpro  i notice you are missing your morning greetings lately
[19:59] <Kilos> arent you well?
[20:04] <Kilos> night all . sleep tight
[20:14] <smile> Hi :)
[20:36] <magespawn> good night all
[20:37] <captine> evening all
[20:38] <smile> Good night
[20:41] <smile> Oh you meant to say hi, sorry :)
[20:41] <smile> How are you captine 
[20:46] <captine> good thanks
[20:46] <captine> and you?
[20:48] <smile> I am fine :-)
[20:48] <smile> Just having trouble with my computer
[20:48] <smile> Hardware troubles
[20:53] <captine> bummer
[20:54] <captine> desktop or laptop
[20:55] <smile> Desktop. Laptop is doing ok
[20:55] <smile> Probably the power supply for my new ssd
[21:02] <captine> bummer
[21:04] <smile> I can fix stuff :-P
[21:07] <captine> thats good
[21:08] <captine> esp if it is an ssd.  expensive thing to break
[21:08] <smile> Yeah. :) I hope the power supply is still good
[21:13] <smile> Slaapwel :)
[23:44] <melodie> bonne nuit, good night