[00:01] <AndroUser> (AndroUser) In okular, when using the drawing tool I cannot block the tool for making long handwriting Can you try if you can? I thing is somethinh wrong in my computer cause before i could, it started when changing the default stroke color
[03:28] <excalibr> So when the final 15.04 iso will be out?
[03:29] <excalibr> I'm all set for making a jump from Unity
[03:51] <romber> Hi guys, how can I change GDM_LANG in kubuntu?
[03:52] <romber> I had export GDM_LANG in my .bashrc, and it work to launch application in my language if I run from terminal. But if I launch application from krunner or application menu, the language still is en_US.
[04:06] <GunnDawg> romber: maybe change the application menus icon settings to point to your bash script instead of the default program launcher?
[04:12] <valorie> !vivid | excalibr
[04:14]  * denza252 can't wait
[04:14] <denza252> ...for all my packages to break thanks to the KDE PPAs I have enabled >.>
[04:25] <romber> GunnDawg, yes it's what I do now.. but I have to set for every application that use GDM ;(
[06:19] <soee> good morning
[07:32] <sizziff> Hello
[07:33] <sizziff> I use Kubuntu one week - nice system
[07:33] <hateball> :)
[08:11] <pgquiles> I'm having trouble when installing vivid daily on a uefi laptop. EFI is enabled, SecureBoot is disabled. Should the installation work out of the box, or should I use refind?
[08:17] <aliman> hi all. can anybody suggest me any post installation programs or something i need for kubuntu? i'm new to linux and i just installed kubuntu
[08:18] <faust> aliman: you are the only one who knows what you need
[08:20] <aliman> faust, i thought there are some things that are needed for kubuntu to work properly
[08:23] <GunnDawg> aliman: If it boots up and you're able to use it then what more are you wanting?
[08:24] <faust> aliman: I hope that anything that is needed for kubuntu to work properly is installed by default when you install kubuntu
[08:25] <aliman> mhm, i understand
[08:37] <eagles051387_> !aptfix
[09:53] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:54] <GunnDawg> Morning
[09:55] <lordievader> Hey GunnDawg
[09:55] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[09:56] <GunnDawg> oh pretty up, up late.
[09:56] <GunnDawg> pretty good*
[10:04] <jermaine> Hey fellas, had a question for ya, if I go ahead and install tonight's build of kubuntu, will transitioning to the full release be easy enough?
[10:05] <lordievader> Ah, I forgot the factoid :(
[10:05] <lordievader> jermaine: If you update you'll get the released Vivid.
[10:05] <jermaine> just the typical apt-get upgrade will do?
[10:07] <lordievader> jermaine: Make that a dist-upgrade and yes ;)
[10:07] <jermaine> Thanks sith lord!
[11:00] <nicon`> Hi all. I'm trying to set keyboard shorcut for "paste" in konsole to ctrl+v - it doesn't work (works only for current session, after creating new window/new tab it disapear from shorcuts), is there any way to fix it?
[11:01] <nicon`> I'm using kubuntu 15.04.
[11:06] <hateball> nicon`: are you editing the default profile?
[11:07] <nicon`> hateball: keyboard shorcuts changes works for all profiles.
[11:07] <nicon`> I changed many shorcuts, like switch to tab [1-9]...
[11:07] <nicon`> All shorcuts works without a problem, except paste one.
[11:08] <nicon`> Interesting thing: when I configure paste to ctrl+v it not only doesn't work in another session... When I switch to other tab and then go back to previous one, then it also stops working for "current" tab.
[11:08] <nicon`> Example: I'm on tab1 and I'm changing paste settings to ctrl+v.
[11:08] <nicon`> Testing => it's working.
[11:09] <nicon`> Switching tab to tab2, testing => it's not working.
[11:09] <nicon`> Switching tab to tab1, testing => it's not working :-)
[11:27] <amari> Hi, how do I install a new language after Kubuntu is installed? I tried to move the language to the right list in System settings. But then some parts of the desktop (most of it) don't get translated. Do I have to install the language packs manually?
[11:31] <amari> Hi, how do I install a new language after Kubuntu is installed? I tried to move the language to the right list in System settings. But then some parts of the desktop (most of it) don't get translated. Do I have to install the language packages manually?
[11:31] <lordievader> !patience| amari
[11:37] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:41] <abdelaziz> can someone explain to me what does baloofile do?
[11:43] <BluesKaj> !baloo | abdelaziz
[11:43] <BluesKaj> !search
[11:44] <BluesKaj> abdelaziz, look in system settings>search
[12:48] <Riddell> ** testers needed for final 15.04 candidate images and upgrades, join us in #kubuntu-devel to help out
[12:51] <SporkWitch> anyone know if there's any way to get yakuake or konsole to do the "x-ray" background like gnome terminal?  That is, if the terminal window is on top of another window, the transparency shows the desktop background instead of the window that's underneath it?
[13:02] <hateball> Riddell: How does one help out? Is that question answered in -devel perhaps?
[13:04] <compyuser> please help no sound in ubuntu r14
[13:21] <Syco54645> hello i am on kubuntu 15.04 beta and certain apps are not showing a tray icon
[13:21] <Syco54645> pidgin and xchat being two of them. any ideas or is this a bug?
[13:25] <hateball> Syco54645:  They are GTK apps, probably not updated to work with plasma 5 is my guess
[13:34] <Syco54645> hateball, that is what i figured. should i log a bug with kubuntu? Is that something that they would take care of or would it be up to the apps devs?
[13:35] <hateball> Syco54645: The app devs afaik, but I am no expert on the matter :)
[13:35] <hateball> Syco54645: The easy solution would be to use Quassel and... whatever one uses in place of Pidgin :p
[13:40] <Syco54645> hateball, i have not used kde since 2.0. was an avid gnome2 user so still figuring stuff out
[13:41] <Syco54645> i was actually trying to find something to replace pidgin with
[13:43] <hateball> I think there is something, I just cant remember the name since I dont use these things
[13:44] <hateball> Kopete was one thing
[13:45] <Syco54645> yeah just looked at that
[14:13] <bduncan> Syco54645: telepathy is the thing now. look for IM contacts in the Internet menu
[14:33] <Syco54645> bduncan, that didnt seem to work correctly for me
[14:36] <bduncan> Syco54645: have you got kde-telepathy installed?
[14:36] <Syco54645> yes
[14:36] <Syco54645> let me try it again, i have gotten alot of updates lately
[14:42] <Syco54645> yes does not work. doesnt work with 2 step auth for google talk
[14:43] <bduncan> Syco54645: ah yes that's true. i had to set up a "per-application" password for it
[14:43] <Syco54645> i did that and it will not sign in
[14:43] <Syco54645> i will stick with pidgin for now
[14:43] <bduncan> have you tried signing in 3 times? :)
[14:44] <Syco54645> and hope that they fix the tray icon
[14:44] <Syco54645> i tried 4 times
[14:44] <Syco54645> why 3?
[14:44] <bduncan> i find that i have to keep clicking OK on the password box, i never figured out why...
[14:44] <Syco54645> probably a bug
[14:44] <bduncan> but then i didn't try very hard to debug it
[14:44] <Syco54645> i will try it again in a month or so
[14:44] <bduncan> you should report it as a bug
[14:44] <bduncan> i'll vote for it!
[14:45] <Syco54645> right now i need to get to work
[14:45] <Syco54645> dont feel like working late tonight
[14:45] <Syco54645> ;)
[14:46] <bduncan> join the club, sadly having spent an hour having a barbeque in the sunshine, it might be necessary!
[15:30] <mamonetti> hi
[15:31] <mamonetti> has anybody had problems with apps trying to load the kde print dialog and staying frozen for minutes before getting it? I mean any kde app, such as kate or okular
[15:31] <mamonetti> for some reason it has started to happen to me this morning after deleting with synaptic the old kernels of my system (apparently everything was fine)
[15:33] <mamonetti> i think it might be related to kde looking for network printers, as i get the list updated everytime i'm going to print, but i'm not sure
[15:41] <Andludsch1866> free net working bevor all visit....
[15:49] <Andludsch1866> too freenet working before all to visit connection....
[15:51] <Andludsch1866> all right to low
[15:54] <Andludsch1866> too Operator Drone and Unopaste.......okay!
[15:57] <Andludsch1866> kubunto 14.10 and windows 8.1 compatable.......okay!
[15:58] <Andludsch1866> kubuntu 14.10 and windows 8.1 compatable ......all
[16:00] <Andludsch1866> good looking, goodbye.....all here!
[16:22] <LGTrader> Hi. New to Kubuntu coming from 12 years using Gentoo. I'm not clear how to discover the name of a repository so that I can add it in Muon. I need to add a newer NVidia driver (rev. 346 or later) to use with NVidia Digits.
[16:28] <Riddell> LGTrader: try driver manager in systemsettings
[16:32] <LGTrader> Riddell: That is how I got to nvidia-drivers but it only shows nvidia-drivers-331 and lower. I suspect I need to add a repository to get more leading edge packages but don't know how to determine what repositoy name (or modifier at the end) to add
[16:33] <Riddell> oh I'm on vivid that's why I have it
[16:33] <LGTrader> Riddell: The command 'ubuntu-drivers devices' shows the same thing.
[16:34] <LGTrader> Riddell: Sorry. What's 'vivid'? A newer version of kubuntu/ubuntu?
[16:34] <Riddell> LGTrader: yes, it's the new version we will release tomorrow as 15.04
[16:35] <LGTrader> Riddell: Being that I installed 14.10 yesterday if I wait until tomorrow and reinstall/upgrade will it all 'just work'?
[16:36] <MoonUnit`> might be better to install it today, the repos will get hammered on release day.
[16:36] <mewshi> LGTrader, upgrading from 14.10 to 15.04 (beta) worked for me the other day, and I must say, Plasma 5 is amazing o.o
[16:38] <Riddell> LGTrader: you can join us for testing if you want :)
[16:38] <mewshi> and, by now, everything should be effectively hammered out so there won't be much, if any, difference between today and tomorrow
[16:38] <Riddell> testing is in #kubuntu-devel
[16:39] <LGTrader> ALL: Downloading the vivid iso now. Let me try this out and see how it goes. I suspect I still would like to get and answer to the general question "I want to run application XYZ but Muon doesn't show it. How do I figure out what repository has it?"
[16:39] <Riddell> sadly there's no easy answer to that besides maybe search launchpad ppas
[16:39] <mewshi> LGTrader, if you have 14.10 installed, you don't need the iso (unless you wanna do a fresh install)
[16:40] <Riddell> LGTrader: would be much appreciated if you can fill out http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/338/builds once it's installed
[16:44] <LGTrader> Burning the iso now. Will work on this upgrade (or do a reinstall) after a doctors appt. Bookmarked the questionaire and will try to do that also Riddell. Thanks!
[16:45] <BluesKaj> on 15.04 there are a few small problems like the desktop theme known as breeze-dark isn't dark at all it buries the icons in the panel so they can't be seen , but it's the only one that misbehaves on my install
[16:46] <BluesKaj> oops sorry for the poor punctuation
[16:48] <LGTrader> Riddell:Disappointing that there's no easy way. Gentoo uses 'eix' to see what's in portage and the overlays I'm currently set up for, but also has 'eix-remote' which searches all overlays so it's very easy to figure out what to add.
[16:48] <LGTrader> Anyway, not complaining. I thin kubuntu is going to work well for me once I get past the shock of all new sys admin practices. (Like using sudo all the time)
[16:49] <LGTrader> Anyway, I'm outa here for now to do the install
[16:49] <LGTrader> Thanks!
[16:55] <BluesKaj> no need for sudo all the time if you use aliases in ~/.bashrc and all no pw in the sudoers
[16:59] <faust> BluesKaj: I would not advise to set NOPASSWD in sudoers
[16:59] <faust> for ALL
[17:01] <BluesKaj> faust, I'm not advising , merely making a comment , if users really want to use no pw and shorten the commnads inn the konsole they'll find a way by searching google. That's how I found the mehods i use to make things simpler.
[17:02] <faust> I just wanted to make it clear for the casual reader that may think that it is a good idea
[17:03] <BluesKaj> if you notice I didn't use the correct command for the sudoers entry\
[17:04] <BluesKaj> faust, well perhaps you wouldn't recommend it , but I haven't had any problems with security using those settings
[17:05] <faust> BluesKaj: good for you
[17:06] <BluesKaj> well, I'm a home user with no others using this pc and a lot of ppl here are just like me
[17:07] <Andludsch1866> thanke by for alone to command this programe pleace
[17:08] <BluesKaj> whoa Andludsch1866, something lost in translation there
[17:09] <Andludsch1866> advis and code all programe good idea...
[17:09] <Andludsch1866> okay
[17:10] <BluesKaj> BBL
[17:11] <Andludsch1866> I who that....
[17:21] <MoonUnit`> mmm tempting http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5.3-beta
[17:58] <drw> MoonUnit`: Hasn't killed my system so far...YMMV
[18:37] <acz32> anyone know if dolphin or konqueror can do custom command actions?
[19:30] <LGTrader> Riddell: I did an install of the 15.04 prerelease. The install went fine. However after updating the nvidia-drivers package to version 346 I no longer have graphics. This is a _Very_ odd machine config so I don't think this will occur for others but as of right now I have issues.
[19:30] <LGTrader> Riddell: I will work on filing a report later today.
[19:40] <compyuser> hello, please help no sound (dummy output) in ubuntu\
[19:42] <tuv0k> clean install?
[19:46] <compyuser> yes
[19:46] <compyuser> tuv0k my first install
[19:46] <tuv0k> go into setting and switch default output device
[19:47] <acz32> anyone know why installing a new service through dolphin might fail?
[19:48] <compyuser> tuv0k the only output device is : dummy output :(
[19:49] <tuv0k> does not sound right after a fresh install unless there is no sound card in the machine
[19:49] <tuv0k> if there is a hardware sound device, you might want to look again?
[19:50] <compyuser> tuv0k there is the via technologies chip....a difficult chip for linux installed
[19:50] <tuv0k> which ubuntu version you install?
[19:50] <compyuser> tuv0k especially the via 1720/24 chip
[19:51] <compyuser> tuv0k r14
[19:51] <tuv0k> ?
[19:51] <compyuser> tuv0k Ubuntu r14
[19:51] <tuv0k> 14.04? 14.10?
[19:52] <tuv0k> compyuser: aplay -l
[19:52] <compyuser> tuv0k 14.04
[19:53] <compyuser> tuv0k 14.04 LTS
[19:53] <tuv0k> run that cmd in terminal
[19:53] <compyuser> aplay -l  ---> empty list
[19:54] <tuv0k> compyuser: sudo aplay -l
[19:55] <compyuser> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[19:55] <compyuser> Home directory not accessible: Permission denied
[19:55] <lordievader> Aplay gives an empty list? Could you pastebin the output of 'lspci -k|grep -A2 Audio'?
[19:56] <compyuser> lspci -k|grep -A2 Audio
[19:56] <compyuser> 03:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. VT1720/24 [Envy24PT/HT] PCI Multi-Channel Audio Controller (rev 01)
[19:56] <compyuser> 	Subsystem: VIA Technologies Inc. Albatron PX865PE 7.1
[19:56] <lordievader> !paste | compyuser
[19:56] <lordievader> Could you paste it via pastebin please?
[19:57] <compyuser> ok
[19:57] <tuv0k> http://askubuntu.com/questions/460035/dummy-output-sound-in-ubuntu-14-04
[20:01] <compyuser> tuv0k Are u sure this will sove my problem....
[20:01] <compyuser> ?
[20:01] <compyuser> tuv0k Are u sure this will solve my problem....
[20:01] <compyuser> ?
[20:02] <tuv0k> of course not. I'd only be sure if I was the one actually working on your machine
[20:03] <compyuser> tuv0k My problem is I tried many things,,,,but I m not able to solve it....
[20:03] <tuv0k> we are trying to help you
[20:04] <compyuser> tuv0k  my soundchip Via 1720/24 i believe it will not functioning in ubuntu...anda I have to buy a new soundcard
[20:04] <lordievader> compyuser: Could you pastebin that output for me please?
[20:08] <tuv0k> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man1/envy24control.1.html
[20:09] <tuv0k> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2208700
[20:09] <tuv0k> compyuser: are you going to paste that output?
[20:12] <lucas_> Riddell: ping?
[20:13] <lucas_> ah hi to everyone
[20:13] <lordievader> Hey lucas_
[20:15] <Riddell> hi lucas_!
[20:15] <Riddell> lucas_: /join #kubuntu-devel
[20:16] <lucas_> ok
[20:17] <LGTrader> Riddell: You back?
[20:18] <Riddell> hi LGTrader
[20:21] <LGTrader> Riddell: Hi. I did the 15.04 install. It worked fine until I installed the nvidia-drivers-346 package. My config is admittedly quite odd. I want to use kubuntu/nvidia as a 'Deep Learning' platform using NVidia's Digits program. This requires 346 for the compute GPUs, but I have 2 cards, an old 9600 driving the monitor and a GX465 with no monitors hooked up to be used as only a calculation engine
[20:21] <LGTrader> Anyway, I lost X after installing 346 due to no xorg.conf file and the system trying to use the wrong driver so I'm starting over.
[20:23] <LGTrader> I'll install from scratch (almost done) generate xorg.conf using nouveau driver, and then see if I can still get X that way after installing 346
[20:24] <Riddell> good luck LGTrader!
[20:25] <LGTrader> Yeah, uncharted ground for me. We'll see.
[20:25] <LGTrader> This wouldn't have been any easier, possibly more difficult, on Gentoo.
[20:26] <LGTrader> Can you post that URL for the report you wanted me to file? I thought I bookmarked it but I'm not finding it. Chrome has changed its bookmark feature in the last few days.
[20:29] <commongeeksgame> hi
[20:50] <LGTrader> Does kubuntu-15.04 support a RAID1 installation directly without having to download packages by hand?
[20:50] <tuv0k> don't remember ever not being able to
[21:00] <dale_> where are the title bar menus in thunderbird/firefox/oethers?
[21:00] <tuv0k> dale_: what?
[21:01] <dale_> I don't see title bar menus in thunderbird or firefox?
[21:02] <tuv0k> don't know what you are looking at. Screenshot?
[21:03] <lordievader> LGTrader: If that is LVM RAID1, yes. If that is MDADM RAID1, I thought not.
[21:03] <dale_> well, there is the title bar, then the tabs, but no menu in between?
[21:03] <LGTrader> lordievader: I was looking for mdadm software RAID1. Thanks
[21:04] <lordievader> Yeah, I though that one was not installed by default.
[21:04]  * lordievader uses lvm raid :D
[21:17] <LGTrader> lordievader: I know nothing about LVM RAID. Can a LVM RAID use two different hard drives to make RAID1? I'll have to go try and find some info on that as I've never used LVM
[21:18] <tuv0k> yes
[21:18] <acz32> can dolphin or konqueror to custom right-click actions?
[21:20] <genii> Yes, but you have to tinker
[21:20] <genii> acz32: Maybe take a look at http://pclosmag.com/html/Issues/201210/page09.html  ..a bit old but still relevent
[21:23] <acz32> genii: thanks for the link
[21:23] <genii> acz32: You're welcome.. hopefully you can make one which does what you like :)
[21:27] <acz32> thanks. i'm used to xfce/thunar and miss that feature
[21:28] <acz32> nice to see there's a way to do it even if it's more involved
[21:30] <lordievader> LGTrader: LVM can do a lot, including a lot of different raid configurations.
[21:31] <lordievader> LGTrader: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/LVM
[21:32] <rberg> I have always wondered why you would use lvm mirror over of raid 1
[21:33] <lordievader> We, at the study association, do not.
[21:36] <rberg> huh.. why may I ask?
[21:38] <lordievader> Friend of mine explained lvm can do two types of mirroring, lvm mirror or raid1 mirroring.
[21:38] <lordievader> Never looked into it myself.
[21:39] <rberg> ohh I see. I have used lvm on top of raid before but not lvm mirroring
[21:41] <lordievader> rberg: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Logical_Volume_Manager_Administration/convert-mirror-to-RAID1.html
[21:42] <lordievader> "New versions of LVM can use the same raid implementations from MD." http://serverfault.com/questions/97845/lvm-mirroring-vs-raid1 That actually explains a lot.
[21:44] <rberg> interesting.. thanks for the links
[21:44] <lordievader> No problem ;)
[21:45] <lordievader> Learned something myself :)
[21:58] <vertago1> I did a test upgrade to vivid without any major hitches :)
[22:12] <LGTrader> lordievader: Good links on the LVM RAID1 question as far as they go, but I don't see enough info yet to construct a machine that mounts a RAID1 root device. At least on my Gentoo machine (where I am currently using a RAID6 root) I have to create an initrd file and then run busybox to get mdadm to assemble the RAID6. I know the kernel can do a RAID1 root device with the older 0.9 metadata format, but any newer metadata requires an 
[22:14] <LGTrader> No problem using LVM RAID1 for simple storage though, as best I can tell.
[22:16] <rberg> I gotta go, but I believe you ahev to put /boot on a raid 1. so any disk found has all the data, then the initrd can assemble the more advanced raid levels
[22:16] <lordievader> LGTrader: My server boots fine to an LVM RAID1 rootfs. Must say /boot is on an md raid1.
[22:16] <LGTrader> OK, then I stand corrected as LVM isn't mdadm and the metadata thing is mdadm
[22:17] <LGTrader> If BIOS can spin it up and read it, even if it's just reading one device, then it can likely boot it
[22:17] <LGTrader> Again, I've never sed LVM so this is something I need to study
[22:18] <lordievader> It's grub who read it ;)
[22:18] <TJ-> LGTrader: metadata=1.0 puts it at the end of the device, so it can be used on a boot device. 1.1 and 1.2 but it at or near the start of the device, which is what causes problems for non-mdadm-aware tools
[22:19] <TJ-> LGTrader: I have all my non-laptop systems use RAID-1 boot disks so firmware can still boot it if 1 device fails
[22:20] <LGTrader> TJ: Thanks.
[22:29] <QualityAddict> While back I saw a release date of tomorrow for 15.04. Is that still on track?
[22:29] <QualityAddict> Anxious to try out the new look.
[22:30] <krytarik> QualityAddict: Yep.
[22:31] <QualityAddict> krytarik: Fantastic! Thanks.
[22:35] <asgasg> will you announce it here?
[23:21] <Scunizi> User Manager in system settings of 14.04 is pretty worthless.  How do I get to one where I can see all the users and groups?
[23:31] <Scunizi> had to install kuser ... ergggggg
[23:41] <toan__> does anyone know where i can download the Kubuntu 15.04 LTS that's going to be released tomorrow?
[23:42] <GunnDawg> toan__: did you try to google "Kubuntu 15.04"?
[23:42] <GunnDawg> toan__: its all right there...
[23:43] <toan__> thats' the beta 2 version
[23:43] <GunnDawg> so you're wanting to know where to download something thats not been released yet?
[23:44] <toan__> know what i mean
[23:44] <GunnDawg> I dont
[23:44] <acz32> is alsa recommended over pulseaudio with kde?
[23:44] <GunnDawg> acz32: I use pulse with no issues
[23:45] <acz32> ok
[23:45] <toan__> aka prerelease version
[23:45] <GunnDawg> oh, so the beta?
[23:49] <toan__> yea
[23:49] <GunnDawg> you said earlier you didnt want that. I told you to google it and you said "That's just the beta"
[23:49] <toan__> GunnDawg, i am looking for the official release ver.
[23:50] <toan__> i can get the beta 2 version easily
[23:50] <GunnDawg> It doesnt release until tomorrow
[23:50] <toan__> i know, that's why i ask
[23:50] <genii> toan__: The latest images available are at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/   ... 15.04 is not LTS though. LTS releases are the ones which are every 2 years on the even numbered years. So the next one will be April 2016, the 16.04
[23:51] <GunnDawg> genii: \0/
[23:51] <toan__> genii, that that the one that will be released tomorrow?
[23:52] <GunnDawg> toan__: no, the one that releases tomorrow, will be released tomorrow
[23:52] <toan__> :-(
[23:52] <genii> toan__: It is the closest there is to that right now. Just get this one, then tomorrow use zsync to get the differences ( if any) between this image and the final one
[23:52] <genii> !zsync | toan__
[23:53] <genii> toan__: All the different releases will be out in about 15-16 hours from now.
[23:53] <toan__> ubottu, do you know what time (in utc) it will be release tomorrow?
[23:53] <genii> toan__: Traditionally around or just after 4pm GMT
[23:53] <toan__> ubottu, och, you're smart, and know what you're talking about
[23:54] <toan__> thanks guys; i think i can wait to get the official version
[23:59] <toan__> is there a feature in kde to hide an app (like when the user clicks on close, the WM stop all cpu processing and hide the app forever)?