[04:31] <barrydk> Morning everyone
[05:11] <Kilos> morning all, power off for the day soon so have a great dayand ill see you when it returns this avy
[05:18] <Kilos> hi barrydk  
[05:23] <barrydk> hi Kilos
[05:25] <magespawn> good morning
[05:26] <Jacques_Stry> Morning all
[05:26] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[05:26] <Kilos> Jacques_Stry  
[05:26] <magespawn> hi Jacques_Stry 
[05:26] <magespawn> hi Kilos 
[05:27] <Kilos> power off in 30 mins
[05:27] <Jacques_Stry> Hi magespawn 
[05:27] <Jacques_Stry> Hi Kilos 
[05:27] <Kilos> you guys are the greeter bots today
[05:28] <Kilos> gonna be a looong day with no pc
[05:28] <Jacques_Stry> :)
[05:29] <barrydk> sal probeer as ek hier is
[05:29] <Kilos> dankie
[05:30] <barrydk> they say phase 5 load shedding is on the way. Eksdom is comming to blow our candels out
[05:31] <Kilos> here they are working on the lines. putting underground to houses
[05:32] <Kilos> so its the whole day off everytime
[05:34] <Kilos> i forget who was learning python, here is another link http://python.p2pu.org/en/
[05:50] <Kilos> hi MaNI  
[05:51] <Kilos> wb jacques_  
[05:51] <Kilos> stry nie vandag nie sien ek
[05:51] <MaNI> hi
[05:51] <jacques_> haha
[05:52] <Kilos> ok i gotta go, cheers all
[05:52] <Kilos> uh oh 
[05:52] <Kilos> have a great day
[06:01] <magespawn> might be a good way to relax a bit, with no computer or electricity for a whole day
[06:13] <Jacques_StrY> Sounds peacefull
[06:14] <Jacques_StrY> peaceful*
[06:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[07:00] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:33] <Jacques_StrY> Welcome back Kilos 
[07:33] <Kilos> ty Jacques_StrY  they either forgot or are on strike
[07:34] <Jacques_StrY> :)
[07:34] <Kilos> i see in my mobilebroadband we must prepare for 12 hours of no power at a time now
[07:35] <Jacques_StrY> ???
[07:35] <Kilos> can someone here speak french?
[07:36] <Kilos> http://newsletters.mybroadband.co.za/lt.php?c=465&m=480&nl=2&s=bf7acfe2dfd656e64c262fe9165a0e17&lid=10657&l=-http--mybroadband.co.za/news/energy/124657-prepare-for-power-load-shedding-which-could-last-12-hours.html
[07:36] <Kilos> oh mybroadband
[07:37] <MaNI> I should really sort my solar backup plans out
[07:39] <MaNI> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Free-Shipping-Z3-ATX-160-160W-high-power-24pin-mini-ITX-DC-ATX-power-supply-with/211500_729581097.html < anyone know a local place that sells things like that?
[07:45] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:58] <pieter2627> morning all
[07:58] <Kilos> hi pieter2627  
[07:58] <Kilos> gaanit?
[07:58] <pieter2627> goed dankie, self?
[07:58] <Kilos> goed dankie
[08:00] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[08:17] <Jacques_StrY> MaNI: http://goo.gl/NNjWHC
[08:18] <Kilos> pieter2627  one comment fron the council
[08:18] <Kilos> I see no problems or concerns with this site, everything looks great to me.
[08:19] <MaNI> Jacques_StrY, nice thanks
[08:19] <MaNI> 160W maybe just too low, hmm
[08:20] <Jacques_StrY> Yea a bot low
[08:20] <Jacques_StrY> bit*
[08:23] <Jacques_StrY> and that only works with itx boards - no extra 4pin power connecter
[08:23] <Jacques_StrY> connector*
[08:23] <Jacques_StrY> sigh...
[08:25] <pieter2627> Kilos: oky, imo the line up of the button look nice though
[08:26] <Kilos> yeah it was just one guys um
[08:26] <Kilos> er
[08:26] <Kilos> opinion
[08:27] <MaNI> Jacques_StrY, yeah, sucks how limited we are locally sometimes, forever finding little things I want that can't be bought easily here
[08:59] <Squirm> Morning
[08:59] <Squirm> Does anyone know what papers I need to register my car in a different province?
[09:00] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[09:01] <Kilos> see if you can find anything on your local testing grounds online
[09:01] <Squirm> I've tried
[09:02] <Kilos> they keep all papers in hardcopy but not sure abnout online
[09:02] <Kilos> oh my
[09:02] <Squirm> No, I mean
[09:02] <Squirm> what documents
[09:02] <Squirm> Do I need to take my Natis
[09:02] <Kilos> whats that?
[09:02] <Squirm> logbook
[09:02] <Kilos> oh yes
[09:03] <Squirm> Because the bank has mine :/
[09:03] <Squirm> Crap
[09:03] <Kilos> years agon you took your vehicle registration papers to the new peeps
[09:03] <Kilos> the paper they send you for renewal of licence should do
[09:04] <Kilos> all your info is on there so you should just need id with that
[09:04] <Squirm> On where?
[09:04] <Kilos> unless everything has changed now too
[09:05] <Squirm> I basically need to renew my license and get CA plates
[09:05] <Kilos> you know the paper you cut out the licence
[09:05] <Kilos> that has engine and registration info on it iirc
[09:06] <Kilos> maybe i keep quiet, its been years since i did it
[09:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> Squirm: give them a call on 086 010 3089 they are generally quite clued up
[09:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> or go pay them a visit: http://www.capetown.gov.za/en/Vehiclelicensing/Pages/Vehicleregistrationoffices2.aspx
[09:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> once you've got all that sorted, you can also renew your car licence online every year
[09:11] <Squirm> Thanks ThatGraemeGuy, awesome!
[09:11]  * Squirm falls in love with Cape Town
[09:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> also might want to bookmark this one: https://www.capetown.gov.za/en/ServiceRequests/Pages/default.aspx
[09:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> and this one too: https://www.capetown.gov.za/en/contact/Pages/default.aspx
[09:16] <Squirm> Sorted
[09:16] <Squirm> Just need ID and Proof of Address
[09:16] <Kilos> cool
[09:16] <Squirm> Thanks ThatGraemeGuy, much appreciated
[09:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> no problem :)
[09:57]  * magespawn wonders if there are sites like that for the rest of the country
[10:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> not until the DA is voted in :-p
[10:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'm sure there are, but whether they are as effective is another issue
[10:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> I reported a burst water main one sunday evening around 9 and the truck was there 15 minutes later
[10:11] <MaNI> yeah they are generally quite responsive
[10:11] <MaNI> can get car licensing sorted out in person without feeling like the people on the other end of the counter hate you etc.
[10:12] <Kilos> lol
[10:12] <MaNI> lots of room for improvement, especially the building plan people, but functional at least
[10:19] <magespawn> i am out of here for now
[10:19] <magespawn> chat later
[10:19] <Jacques_StrY> cheers
[10:33] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:33] <Jacques_StrY> ???
[10:35] <Kilos> these peeps that disappear at lunch time
[10:43] <Jacques_StrY> Eating lunch in front of my pc...
[10:43] <Kilos> best place
[10:43] <Kilos> dont mess on the keyboard
[10:43] <Jacques_StrY> haha no i'm a pro by now
[10:44] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:44] <Kilos> did you see the link william left in list mail?
[10:44] <Jacques_StrY> no...
[10:44] <Jacques_StrY> what link
[10:44] <Kilos> ill get it
[10:45] <Kilos> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_idpAV8YcQ&feature=youtu.be
[10:46] <Jacques_StrY> Ooh! Looks better than the one I tested, must be a newer version
[10:47] <Kilos> if they make it so it doesnt need a dedicated server that could help
[10:48] <Kilos> shame he has been trying for months now
[10:49] <Jacques_StrY> Would be awesome if I could get the source
[10:49] <Jacques_StrY> to try installing it
[10:49] <Kilos> havent they got a forums
[10:49] <Kilos> i cant get into that as well ill go mad
[10:50] <Jacques_StrY> Found it
[10:50] <Jacques_StrY> But seems you still need a dedicated server
[10:50] <Kilos> cool
[10:50] <Kilos> eish
[10:51] <Kilos> then he will have to get his friend in pennington to host it
[10:51] <Jacques_StrY> install is at least fully-automated apt install with proper repository
[10:51] <Kilos> cool
[10:51] <Jacques_StrY> will test it tonight but should work easily then
[10:52] <Kilos> ok keep william informed please, im sure he thinks everyone has given up on it
[10:52] <Jacques_StrY> :) Will do
[10:52] <Kilos> :D
[10:53] <Kilos> see thats my other job
[10:53] <Jacques_StrY> haha
[10:53] <Kilos> make sure everyone is working their butts off but with a smile on the face
[10:54] <Jacques_StrY> I see they still use that wierd SQL
[10:55] <Kilos> i dunno bout that or mysql
[10:55] <Kilos> pc decides wha it want to use
[10:56] <Kilos> hi SilverCode  hows you
[10:57] <Kilos> have you joined out list yet?
[10:58] <Kilos> s/out/our
[10:58] <Kilos> mailing list that is
[10:58] <Kilos> and also ubuntu za on launchpad
[10:59] <Kilos> ask inetpro  for the link
[11:29] <Kilos> hi Private_User  
[11:29] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[11:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> what is lunch?
[11:44] <Kilos> the tummy filling process that gets you through the afternoon with ease
[11:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> sounds unfamiliar :p
[11:47] <Kilos> aw shame
[11:48] <Kilos> you nibble on the go?
[11:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> no i'm more a breakfast and supper person
[11:48] <Kilos> and coffee of course
[11:48] <Kilos> ok
[11:48] <Kilos> no coffee either?
[11:49] <Kilos> sjoe
[11:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> water
[11:49] <Kilos> whew
[11:50] <Kilos> my days would be long without coffee and tea
[11:50] <Kilos> and a sarmy here and there
[13:22] <Jacques_StrY> Cheers, chat later
[14:05] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:05] <Kilos> hi kulelu88  
[14:06] <kulelu88> o/
[15:00] <Kilos> aw jacques is gone
[15:13] <Kilos> wb Trixar_za  you been gone a long time
[15:13] <Kilos> you missed all the fun
[15:14] <Trixar_za> Which fun woudl that be?
[15:14] <Trixar_za> would*
[15:14] <Kilos> we launched a new site
[15:14] <Kilos> http://ubuntu-africa.info
[15:14] <Kilos> hit refresh a few times on first page and watch
[15:15] <Kilos> we as in the site building team of ubuntu-za
[15:16] <Kilos> not me im an onlooker of note
[16:00] <Kilos> hi Arcanum_za  
[16:01] <Kilos> oh its you trix
[16:01] <Trixar_za> Thanks :P
[16:02] <Kilos> lol you just confussing me
[16:02] <Kilos> weve had so many new peeps im ready to welcome anyone i dont remember
[16:23] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:36] <Kilos> at least hibana shows when he is afk
[16:39] <Kilos> inetpro  is there any reason/excuse for for usings that dindins thing
[17:50] <Kilos> hi psychicist  
[17:59] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:15] <captine> evening all
[18:15] <Kilos> hi captine  
[18:15] <Kilos> hows you?
[18:29] <inetpro> .
[18:29] <Kilos> >>
[18:29] <Kilos> ai!
[18:29] <Kilos> ..
[18:30] <Kilos> MaNI  whats happening with your connection
[18:30] <inetpro> ohi Kilos
[18:30] <Kilos> ohi inetpro  
[18:31]  * inetpro dog-tired
[18:31] <Kilos>  inetpro  is there any reason/excuse for me usings that dindins thing
[18:31] <inetpro> dindind?
[18:31] <Kilos> then you must sleep early ballie
[18:31] <inetpro> dindins?
[18:31] <Kilos> dyndns
[18:32] <inetpro> Kilos: why would you want it?
[18:32] <Kilos> im asking you
[18:32] <inetpro> why asking?
[18:32] <Kilos> dont answer a question with a question
[18:33] <inetpro> what makes you think that you would need it?
[18:33] <Kilos> im asking you is there a reason i could need it
[18:33] <inetpro> many
[18:33] <Kilos> ai!
[18:34] <Kilos> name them
[18:35] <Private_User> guys, I was just curious, how do hotels setup all the DSTV channels on each channel in each room? For us we would have to buy the decoder and change the channels via the decoder but at hotels I noticed they have it setup where one would just change the channels on the TV so wondering how they do that?
[18:35] <Private_User> I tried searching on the net but not sure what to search for cause I do not find what I am looking for?
[18:37] <inetpro> Kilos: there are many reasons why you could use it but I don't think there's one good reason why you should use it
[18:38] <Kilos> ok ty inetpro  ill close that tap then
[18:38] <Kilos> opera will be happy
[18:38] <inetpro> ai!
[18:38] <Kilos> lol what now
[18:38] <inetpro> you had an open tap?
[18:38] <Kilos> yes for a week now
[18:38] <Kilos> i been busy
[18:38]  * inetpro shakes his head
[18:38] <Kilos> Private_User  hand a bit plse
[18:39] <Kilos> hang
[18:39] <Private_User> lol ok Kilos, I will hand and hang a bit
[18:39] <Private_User> lol
[18:40] <Kilos> hehe
[18:41] <Kilos> start here https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmybroadband.co.za%2Fvb%2Fshowthread.php%2F315993-DSTV-in-Guesthouses&ei=Kes3VcPrAaKR7AaHhoGgDA&usg=AFQjCNGtIqRgbimB2SuegXwn0iT9uSUi2w&sig2=_vQC9IKVt4D58ri5YYw65w&bvm=bv.91071109,d.ZGU
[18:41] <Kilos> whew
[18:42] <Kilos> Private_User  ^^
[18:43] <Kilos> or here http://is.gd/N5BCuQ
[18:43] <captine> Kilos, sorry, neighbour popped in.  Am good thanks
[18:43] <Kilos> good captine  
[18:43] <captine> so all, whats the safest way to remove unity and replace it with gnome 3?
[18:43] <captine> on 14.04
[18:44] <captine> want to try something different
[18:44] <Kilos> just install gnome3
[18:44] <Kilos> then choose at boot
[18:45] <captine> doesnt it break things if both are installed?
[18:45] <captine> (unity and gnome)
[18:45] <Kilos> when you get to where you ener password there is a tiny thing top right that lets you choose
[18:45] <Kilos> if it will break things in wont install
[18:46] <captine> ok.  I thought I read that, esp if you use the gnome PPA, it will change some libraries or something and break things...
[18:46] <captine> will give it a shot soon
[18:46] <Kilos> you could install it with aptitude to make sure
[18:46] <Kilos> aptitude will give options 
[18:46] <Kilos> if there could be a prob
[18:48] <superfly> install the gnome-desktop package
[18:48] <superfly> it's supposed to be part of the repos
[18:49] <Kilos> there you go
[18:49] <superfly> hrm, maybe not on 14.04 though
[18:49] <Kilos> ty superfly  
[18:49] <Private_User> thanks Kilos, its what I found as well but getting 100% how they do it. I worked for a company where they had TVs in each building where at the back of the TV a what looked like a normal antenna cable was plugged into the TV then you did a search on the tv and it picked up the DSTV channels sort of like how we used to search when the only channels we had were the SABC Channels using a UHF/VHF ariel
[18:51] <Kilos> whew Private_User  thats beyond me
[18:51] <Private_User> lol
[18:52] <Kilos> do you want to run a hotel now
[18:53] <kulelu88> Private_User: they must have been broadcasting from 1 decoder across a local frequency 
[18:53] <Private_User> yeah I was just curious how they did I always wondered but today a friend of min is staying at a hotel so the thought came back to me and was wondering if it can be setup at home so we pay for one subscription without needing extra view and dual view and PVR
[18:54] <Kilos> lol
[18:54] <superfly> Private_User: they probably pay a special exhorbitant rate to do that
[18:54] <kulelu88> Possible, yes. You could even do it via streaming
[18:54] <Private_User> yeah sounds like that could be it kulelu88 but what hardware will be needed?
[18:54] <superfly> Private_User: which would make the extra view/ dual view look like pocket change
[18:54] <Private_User> lol superfly
[18:55] <kulelu88> Well as long as nobody who works for SAPS is here, I'm thinking ...
[18:55] <kulelu88> decoder
[18:55] <kulelu88> some type of streaming device
[18:55] <Private_User> thats what I wanna avoid paying and more money per month
[18:55] <kulelu88> antenna
[18:55] <kulelu88> and receiving antennae
[18:58] <Private_User> if we can figure that out then it would be lekker then we can get OpenView HD, DSTV and that other one which used to be TOPTV and also a FTA receiver to receive all the FTA channels then instead of changing from AV1 to AV2 or HDMI1 to HDMI 2 for each decoder everything will be on the tv then we just select the tv channels
[18:58] <Kilos> whew when are you going to work
[18:58] <Private_User> or even better if I install a Tuner card or something on the PC/Laptop then I can watch it on my laptop like that
[18:59] <kulelu88> I think having DStv alone would suffice. isn't openview where ETV plays all their Segal movies from 1999?
[18:59] <Private_User> lol @ kulelu88
[18:59] <kulelu88> kwaai movies some of them
[19:00] <Private_User> lol Kilos, I try to work everyday
[19:00] <Private_User> hehe
[19:00] <Kilos> ya but not once you sort all this tv stuff
[19:01] <Private_User> oh well I will find out eventually but optimal setup is to have them setup on my laptop... hmm... this gets me thinking is there any Free Open Source software out there to receive channels so I can just connect a satellite to the computer and pick everything up for free maybe the software can decode it for me
[19:02] <Private_User> cause paying to watch the same thing over and over again seems like a waste of money in my opinion rather spend the money on broadband
[19:03] <Private_User> and even that is too expensive at the moment but what can we do
[19:04] <Private_User> hence the reason for looking for alternative solutions like above
[19:04] <kulelu88> where do you live? Priva
[19:04] <kulelu88> Private_User: 
[19:05] <Private_User> South Africa
[19:05] <Private_User> lol
[19:05] <Private_User> you wanted precise location kulelu88
[19:05] <kulelu88> tis be ubuntu ZA, we're all from SA :/
[19:05] <Private_User> LOL
[19:05] <Private_User> I know
[19:05] <Private_User> KZN
[19:06] <Kilos> haha think again
[19:06] <kulelu88> dirtbin or Ballito <3 ??
[19:06] <Private_User> oh yeah there are a few ex pats here hey Kilos and they not living in SA
[19:07] <Kilos> and a buntu member from the staes i think
[19:07] <Kilos> states
[19:07] <kulelu88> Muricans
[19:07] <Private_User> no kulelu88, dirtbin I think is a very unhygenic place to live
[19:07] <Private_User> lol
[19:08] <kulelu88> radiation wise, it's the safest to live 
[19:08] <Private_User> but I am not far from Balito, Balito is like right next door to me
[19:08] <Private_User> lol @ kulelu88
[19:09] <kulelu88> ahh you're just the guy who can tell me about life in the dolphin coast. 
[19:09] <Private_User> 10 min drive and I am in Balito
[19:09] <kulelu88> is jy n oom of a rugby player?
[19:09] <Private_User> 20 to 30 min drive and I am in Durban central
[19:09] <Private_User> depending on traffic
[19:10] <Private_User> kulelu88: we have the beach here, need I say more... LOL
[19:11] <kulelu88> but how is life there. Can I surf in July? Is there a lot of outdoor activities? Is it a retirement village for old people?
[19:11] <Private_User> yesterday when I decided to take a break I went and sat at the Beach
[19:11] <Private_User> yeah you can Surf dude in July
[19:11] <kulelu88> how old are you? Private_User 
[19:12] <Private_User> if I remember correctly I think in July is when they used to have the surfing competitions in Durban, cannot remember do they still do that?
[19:12] <kulelu88> searching says the Mr Price surf event is now in Ballito
[19:12] <Private_User> lots of outdoor activities as well
[19:13] <Private_User> but Balito is becoming an expensive place to live
[19:13] <kulelu88> yeah. 40m^2 flat in an estate is R5000
[19:14] <Private_User> yeah and people say cost of living on JHB is expensive, I disagree
[19:15] <kulelu88> JHB is cheaper rental wise (cause there's more housing)
[19:15] <Private_User> yeah but I think its more or less the same depending where you live but here because we at the coast its a bit more pricey because of the Sea I think
[19:16] <kulelu88> I'm guessing you stay north of Ballito?
[19:16] <Private_User> South, North of Durban place called Tongaat
[19:17] <Private_User> I stay on a farm at the moment
[19:17] <kulelu88> you a indian bloke?
[19:17] <Private_User> where are you @?
[19:18] <Private_User> does it make a difference dude?
[19:18] <kulelu88> PTA
[19:18] <Private_User> this is the New South Africa we all South Africans
[19:18] <Kilos> yeah indians make better curry
[19:18] <Private_User> HAHAHA
[19:18] <kulelu88> no not really. I'm just following the Home Affairs principle of classifying you racially B-)
[19:18] <Private_User> LOL
[19:18] <kulelu88> Kilos: hows your GF?
[19:19] <Kilos> which one
[19:19] <kulelu88> from facebook
[19:19] <Kilos> getting old 
[19:20] <Private_User> the issue now is that there are so many people from other countries here if we say we are Indian/Asian/African now people gonna think we from those other countries then the Xenophobia people will come to attack
[19:20] <Private_User> lol
[19:20] <Private_User> some of the Chinese shops in Durban were attacked by Xenophobia
[19:21] <kulelu88> I dont think the okes here care much for politics or issues in SA. We all universally accept that its a kak country
[19:21] <Private_User> so they now are done with African foreigners and moving on to people from other parts of the world, SAD
[19:22] <Private_User> oh well, for now let me go eat and BBL
[19:23] <Private_User> btw kulelu88, what did the previous regime classify you as? You can guess what they classified me as
[19:24] <kulelu88> chinese?
[19:25] <Private_User> your nick and place of residence is confusing me so honestly I doubt I can guess what they classified you as but then again I never care too much about those things cause I never see it until its actually mentioned
[19:25] <Private_User> ok be back in a bit time for dinner
[19:26] <Private_User> late dinner
[19:26] <kulelu88> enjoy
[19:26] <Private_User> hehe
[19:31] <Kilos> kulelu88  what you doing investigating my fb
[19:31] <Kilos> that was long back info i put there
[19:31] <kulelu88> you confused Kilos . I'm talking about that chick I showed you yesrday.
[19:32] <Kilos> i didnt look
[19:33] <Kilos> so yes i was confused
[19:35] <Kilos> inetpro  gaan slaap man
[19:37] <Kilos> superfly  did you notice the council are happy with the site
[19:37] <Kilos> ive filled in another form with canonical and if they again dont answer for 2 weeks ill just forget about it
[19:38] <superfly> Kilos: ya, but you need to talk to canonical
[19:38] <superfly> yeah, that's fine. put the ball in their court
[19:38] <Kilos> i dont know how to chat direct
[19:39] <Kilos> its only the legal department that we need to clear with
[19:39] <Kilos> the council with mark it are happy
[19:39] <Kilos> on it
[19:39] <Kilos> hehe he even mailed me and asked where the url was
[19:46] <superfly> ah, OK, then I think we're in the clear
[19:46] <captine> (unity and gnome)so.  anyone had issues with wifi strength on intel centrino wifi and ubuntu
[19:46] <captine> windows seems to have a stronger signal
[19:47] <Kilos> windows is just lying to you with false info
[19:57] <captine> lol
[20:01] <smile> Hi :)
[20:01] <Kilos> hi smile  
[20:02] <smile> Still having problems with freezing pc
[20:02] <smile> :-(
[20:02] <Kilos> eish
[20:03] <smile> Power save will go off starting tomorrow
[20:03] <smile> I hope thats the solution
[20:03] <Kilos> what OS you using?
[20:04] <Kilos> does it freeze when hibernating
[20:06] <smile> Its a family pc running Windows.. The other pc runs Linux Mint 
[20:06] <Kilos> oh then there is  a quick cure
[20:06] <Kilos> boot from ubuntu dvd and choose delete and use whole drive'
[20:07]  * Kilos ducks
[20:07] <smile> Not sure, I doubt its a software issue
[20:07] <smile> And Kilos then I would lose my data partition too
[20:07] <Kilos> lol
[20:08] <Kilos> why do you think i ducked
[20:08] <smile> Probably my family wont like it, lol
[20:08] <smile> :-P
[20:08] <Kilos> turn of the hibernate function too
[20:08] <smile> You were afraid
[20:08] <smile> :-P
[20:08] <Kilos> ya i thought you would fight me and im only small
[20:09] <smile> Lol :)
[20:14] <smile> Its hard to change operating systems for my family, they all use windows specific software. Some runs on wine, some not
[20:14] <smile> Its just unrealistic
[20:14] <Kilos> ya then just find whats causing it to hang
[20:15] <smile> First I thought sata connection, but the old one has the same problem
[20:15] <Kilos> as you say power saving first then hibernate then look further
[20:15] <Kilos> oh a desktop pc?
[20:16] <smile> Then power cable, but its fine as far as I can see
[20:16] <smile> Yeah
[20:16] <Kilos> have you got a spare psu?
[20:16] <smile> So now I will look at my last options
[20:17] <smile> Nope. :-P
[20:17] <Kilos> ai!
[20:17] <Kilos> how much dust is on the cpu cooler
[20:18] <Kilos> and back of psu by fan
[20:19] <smile> All fine. Booting from hard disk worked, its just the ssd
[20:19] <Kilos> ah
[20:19] <Kilos> move the sata to another socket
[20:22] <smile> It always worked from sata port 1. Port 3 works also. Its not the sata
[20:23] <Kilos> well if the hdd works then it must be the OS or the ssd
[20:23] <Kilos> so you can try a backup then reinstall
[20:24] <Kilos> or move the ssd to another pc
[20:25] <smile> Its a new install. :)
[20:25] <Kilos> ai!
[20:25] <smile> That last thing is an option, yes, thanks :)
[20:26] <Kilos> you have to check piece by piece till you pinpoint the trouble part
[20:26] <Kilos> there is a saying for that
[20:26] <Kilos> i forget
[20:26] <smile> Dont worry :)
[20:28] <Kilos> process of elimination
[20:29] <Kilos> or something like that
[20:29] <Kilos> easiest is move ssd to another pc and if that freezes you have your prob
[20:30] <smile> Yeah
[20:32] <smile> I wont be thanked though
[20:32] <smile> :-P
[20:33] <Kilos> just find the prob first
[20:33] <Kilos> if its the ssd it could be a bad install
[20:33] <Kilos> have you run chkdsk
[20:33] <smile> It works great.. :-P
[20:34] <smile> Yes, all fine
[20:34] <Kilos> yes they are fast
[20:34] <Kilos> ok then you have no choice
[20:34] <Kilos> only for a day to find the prob thats all
[20:37] <smile> I can put a live session of ubuntu on the faulty pc while the ssd is out, so we have at least one pc
[20:37] <Kilos> family cant be happy with the freezing
[20:37] <Kilos> where is the hdd that was in there before the ssd
[20:38] <superfly> I gave some friends a live CD to use in their computer while I got hold of a Windows CD for reinstalling... they didn't once have an issue with the PC while using Linux. Put Windows back on and the original problems appeared again. And yet they refused to load Linux
[20:39] <superfly> as jy dom is, is jy dom, hey Kilos?
[20:39] <smile> Its still alive but without bootable operating system because I removed grub
[20:39] <Kilos> hahaha peeps are so funy
[20:39] <Kilos> funny
[20:39] <Kilos> ek stem
[20:39] <superfly> Kilos is not dom
[20:40] <Kilos> not that dom anyway
[20:40] <superfly> you're not dom at all
[20:40] <superfly> slow at times, yes, but not stupid
[20:40] <Kilos> hmm...
[20:42] <Kilos> sounds like you trying to convince me
[20:42] <Kilos> hows the family superfly  
[20:43] <superfly> doing fine
[20:43] <Kilos> great
[20:51] <melodie> hi
[20:51] <Kilos> hi melodie  
[20:51] <Kilos> nice to see you back here
[20:51] <melodie> hi Kilos o/
[20:51] <melodie> thanks for the greetings
[20:52] <Kilos> the guys said hi to you last night but you stayed quiet
[20:52] <Kilos> maybe got lost somewhere
[20:53] <Kilos> kulelu88  melodie  is in the south of france
[20:53] <Kilos> say hi superfly  
[20:54] <Kilos> melodie  superfly is the brain behind our sites
[20:55] <superfly> more like the fingers
[20:55] <Kilos> haha
[20:56] <melodie> hi superfly 
[20:56] <kulelu88> bonjour melodie 
[20:56] <superfly> hi melodie
[20:56] <kulelu88> jini se qwa
[20:56] <melodie> Kilos next month I'll be teaching the director of a non for profit association : he needs to learn the basics in Linux administration.
[20:56] <melodie> the contract is made
[20:56] <melodie> his non for profit operates in countries in Africa to help the people
[20:57] <melodie> digging wells and else, that kind if thing
[20:57] <melodie> salut kulelu88 
[20:57] <melodie> hi superfly 
[20:57] <melodie> Kilos I don't know where they work though, I'll discover. they have 5 machines running Linux Mint, Ubuntu Edition (Mate)
[20:58] <Kilos> ok
[21:00] <Kilos> melodie  where are you going to teach
[21:00] <melodie> I will probably present Bento so they can bring Bento to Africa as well, and also Malinux, which is especially dedicated to Mali (teachers in high schools and universities)
[21:00] <melodie> Kilos in my area, about 1 and half hour drive
[21:00] <Kilos> nice
[21:00] <melodie> they have their main office in Toulouse, and their work office in the countrysdie
[21:00] <melodie> contryside
[21:01] <melodie> sorry fingers mixed XD
[21:02] <Kilos> lol
[21:02] <Kilos> how long are you going to teach for?
[21:03] <superfly> KDE Connect FTW
[21:03] <Kilos> superfly  ?
[21:04] <superfly> Kilos: it's an app for your Android and a widget thing for your KDE desktop, which allows you to trasfer files and do a few other things
[21:04] <Kilos> aha
[21:12] <Kilos> melodie  teach them irc as well and give them the ubuntu-africa.info link and irx #ubuntu-africa
[21:14] <Private_User> back
[21:15] <Kilos> irc
[21:16] <melodie> Kilos if we have time, will do. 2 days is a bit short to put everthing into the course
[21:16] <Kilos> wow
[21:17] <melodie> Kilos how long : 4 half days (3 hours each with half an hour break in the middle)
[21:17] <Kilos> have they any linux background already?
[21:20] <Kilos> and melodie are you going to give support later
[21:21] <Kilos> you can use #ubuntu-africa if you like
[21:21] <melodie> Kilos do you know I have my own chan?
[21:21] <melodie> :D
[21:21] <melodie> #linuxvillage
[21:22] <melodie> but thanks
[21:22] <Kilos> oh yes
[21:22] <melodie> I will certainly provide support later if requested
[21:31] <Kilos> i need to sleep. night all, sleep tight
[21:37] <melodie> what makes #ubuntu-africa and #ubuntu-za different?
[21:58] <kulelu88> the name melodie 
[21:58] <melodie> kulelu88 lol
[21:59] <kulelu88> actually, nothing happens in ubuntu africa
[22:01] <melodie> do you want to test Bento ? (Ubuntu Openbox Remix) ?
[22:02] <kulelu88> Bentobox?
[22:04] <melodie> nice name
[22:04] <melodie> Bento is a japonese word for lunch box
[22:04] <melodie> so the name box is already in Bento
[22:04] <melodie> Bentobox would mean lunch box box
[22:04] <melodie> :D
[22:04] <kulelu88> why does bentobox ring a bell :/
[22:05] <melodie> let's check on the internet?
[22:06] <kulelu88> this is why: https://www.bento.io/
[22:07] <melodie> http://www.black-blum.fr/products/bento-box/
[22:07] <melodie> oh?
[22:07] <melodie> this is bento (io) not bentobox
[22:08] <kulelu88> yeah
[22:09] <kulelu88> aah if you search for bento box you'll see why. it's called that by many companies
[22:10] <melodie> we will name "Bento" either bentovillage, or bentolinux
[22:10] <melodie> probably bentolinux I think
[22:11] <melodie> what would you say?
[22:11] <melodie> here is a summary, by the way,  http://forum.linuxvillage.org/index.php/topic,701.0.html
[22:12] <kulelu88> bentolinux sounds nicer
[22:13] <melodie> kulelu88 thanks
[22:13] <kulelu88> although I'm not sure why you guys are making another distro
[22:14] <melodie> oh does anyone here need a domain name ? I have won several at gandi.net while they were celebrating their 15th birthday. I can give away promo codes for .xyz and .me as I have several, and also one .info for 1 euro
[22:14] <melodie> and 2 .websites
[22:14] <melodie> kulelu88 lighter while elegant and easy to go
[22:14] <melodie> I started in 2009 with PCLinuxOS 
[22:14] <melodie> until 2012
[22:15] <melodie> then in 2012 I wanted it to be supported by a stronger basis (teams, packages and so on)
[22:16] <kulelu88> i'll take a .me
[22:16] <melodie> so I reproduced the method in Ubuntu and adapted it, while working to get some packages into the repos. openbox-menu and obsession are now in the Debian repositories, which means they are available in Ubuntu as well
[22:16] <melodie> give me your mail address and I forward you a promo code
[22:16] <kulelu88> so I get the .me for free?
[22:16] <melodie> you also need to be registered at http://gandi.net to buy your domain and once you are about to pay to enter the promo code and then the bill is 0 euro
[22:17] <melodie> you will have it for free for one year
[22:17] <kulelu88> but they take my card details?
[22:17] <melodie> I am not sure what your question is, but come to #gandi and you ask
[22:17] <melodie> here on freenode too
[22:18] <kulelu88> melodie: they don't bill me, but in order to buy the domain, they take my purchase details?
[22:18] <melodie> I don't remember that part
[22:18] <melodie> just come at #gandi and we ask, they all talk English there
[22:18] <melodie> and some French too :)
[22:42] <melodie> bonne nuit - good night
[23:08] <inetpro> superfly: thanks for mentioning KDE Connect!
[23:09] <inetpro> Maaz: tell Kilos and this is what happens if I go sleep early... sleep patterns messed up now
[23:09] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[23:12] <inetpro> wb DalekSec
[23:13] <DalekSec> Thanks.
[23:14] <kulelu88> watch some series inetpro 
[23:15] <inetpro> kulelu88: lol
[23:15] <kulelu88> im serious
[23:15] <kulelu88> what you watch currently?
[23:15]  * inetpro I'll go sleep now
[23:15] <inetpro> just had to run updates with midnight data