[00:54] * ahoneybun partys [00:54] *parties [00:56] I got brave and installed unstable CI on my laptop. So far nice and smooth === frecel_ is now known as frecel === aaron__ is now known as ahoneybun [07:06] ahoneybun Riddell I've talked to the maintainer and this is now fixed: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346498 [07:06] KDE bug 346498 in general "KWallet migration agent should check if there are old wallets before starting" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [07:19] ovidiu-florin: thanks, that could do with an sru I guess [07:20] sru? [07:20] stable update [07:24] Riddell: I don't think I understand [07:24] ovidiu-florin: it is paperwork that has to be filed [07:25] and he wants YOU to do it [07:25] lol [07:25] * ovidiu-florin still doesn't understand [07:27] ovidiu-florin: work! [07:27] ok, you all are not making any sense [07:27] are you moking me? [07:28] no, Riddell is trying to get you to file some bureaucratic but necessary paperwork called an SRU [07:28] !sru [07:28] Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [07:28] no joke [07:29] I'll have to read about that [07:29] but I can't right now [07:29] can I do this this afternoon? [07:29] I'm at work right now [07:30] or I'll do it [07:32] I didn't say I won't do it [07:32] just that I'm at work right now [07:32] and I cannot alocate the time to document myself about it [07:32] right now [07:33] * valorie {{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} ovidiu-florin [07:33] happy release day, everybody [07:33] I'll skim through it in my lunch break [07:33] happy realease day [07:33] Party tonoght? on Hangouts? [07:33] tonight? [07:35] I'm in #ubuntu-release-party [07:35] * ovidiu-florin joined [07:35] same questions over and over, basically [07:41] what questions? [07:45] Good morning. [07:49] "is it out yet?" [07:49] and "when will it be out?" [07:50] one million times [07:50] lol [07:50] where? [07:50] my lil netbook is now on latest [07:50] in Party? [07:50] only took like 4 hours [07:50] yes, in party [08:02] am I out yet? [08:03] no, you're still in the closet [08:05] Today Kubuntu decided not to release Vivid but a wild sitter instead :P [08:05] lol [08:05] quite the plot twist there [08:11] lol [08:16] yofel: devs on #plasma confirmed that with Plasma 5.3 "show desktop" behaviour has changed, and it hides panels also, so it is not a bug :) [08:18] Hides panels... hmm, gotta remember that. [08:54] so who can test i386? [08:55] sitter: are you going to play us a live stream of david hasslehoff like in the good old days? [08:55] Riddell: I just upgraded my Atom netbook successfully [08:55] from an old 14.10 [08:56] took a couple of hours just to upgrade to latest 14.10 [08:56] :-) [08:57] hi ho [08:58] I guess I'll start the other laptop upgrading too, before toddling off [08:59] hi vip, fancy running an i386 test? [08:59] good luck valorie :) [09:08] Riddell: why not, but only under vbox [09:11] Riddell: no hoff today I am afraid [09:12] vip: vbox is all good thanks :) [09:13] yay \o/ [09:14] it's sant jordi's day! [09:14] * Riddell hands a rose to all the ladies in the room to fit in with the local somewhat chauvenistic culture [09:15] it's also a Doctor Who fan holiday [09:20] um, why's that? [09:20] soee: well, okay... [09:22] hi markey_work, excited about the release?! [09:23] Riddell: Impossible Astronaut Day, the day that Song came to kill the Doctor [09:23] ooh that's not good! [09:24] yea [09:41] So it's out? [09:42] ahoneybun: Is that today? Hmm... doesn't promise good things. [09:44] ovidiu-florin: flexiondotorg: Aiming for mid-afternoon London time, ish. === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - 10 years of friendlyness | Applications 15.04 Status http://goo.gl/JnVN6h | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Release Party! === monkeyjuice is now known as monkeyjuiceing === monkeyjuiceing is now known as monkeyjuice [09:49] Riddell: i386 installed, with updates at installation, polish [09:53] vip: lovely, please tick off non-english http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/338/builds/92414/testcases [10:02] Riddell: I can't log in [10:03] after login.ubuntu.com, there's: Complete the registration by filling out the form below. If you already have an account, you can log in now and add your OpenID under "My account". [10:03] and no form below [10:03] vip: do you have an account on launchpad? [10:03] * ahoneybun is logged in [10:04] Riddell: probably yes [10:04] vip: are you using that? [10:05] vip: or just tell ahoneybun what to tick :) === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - 10 years of friendlyness | Applications 15.04 Status http://goo.gl/JnVN6h | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Release Party! ༒ [10:09] * sitter raises an eyebrow [10:10] Riddell: I didn't know, i've to log-in with launchpad account; site says only about ubuntu one accoutn; anyway, ticked [10:10] vip: it's the same account [10:10] vip: yay welcome to the elite world of kubuntu testers! :) [10:11] and oem I know is broken so that's all the tests we need to tick release! [10:12] might have missed a few things (internet went down) [10:13] \o/ [10:14] Riddell: oh, thanks [10:18] vip: did you get it ticked? [10:19] oh yes [10:19] ahoneybun: yes [10:19] thanks vip [10:19] hope it is done right [10:19] should be fine vip [10:20] Nice nice. We are ready for release? [10:20] lordievader: for me? nope ;) i'm waiting for two bad bugs to be fixed [10:21] hate them, personally [10:22] vip: I was reacting to queubot ;) [10:22] sooo [10:23] tell him not to release :-) [10:23] vip: What bugs are you talking about anyways? [10:25] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=341959 and https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343448 [10:25] KDE bug 341959 in general "kwin shortcuts don't work when using meta + shift + " [Normal,Unconfirmed] [10:25] KDE bug 343448 in Panel "Mouse proximity doesn't show panel when "Windows can cover" option is set" [Normal,Confirmed] [10:25] oh, thank you [10:27] I can (almost) live with them, but if I could, I would install kde4 back [10:51] Howdy all [10:53] hi BluesKaj [10:53] just in time for the party [10:54] terrible day to quit smoking -.- === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [11:01] Hi Riddell , party chat ...ubuntu-parteeee ? -:-) [11:25] sitter: it's always a good day to quit smoking [11:28] poppycock [11:41] ah [11:41] Riddell: the symbol update in plasma possibly was in kdecoration [11:41] at least the last update on apr10 failed because of the move from lxc to docker [11:43] uh uh uh [11:43] lol [11:44] [W] merger: Apparently there is no branch named kubuntu_vidid_backports! [11:44] merger was broken for backports [11:44] typo [11:44] I need to refactor the branch names into some lib or something [11:45] way too much duplication [11:49] well then, test covered now [11:49] * sitter fears the amount of fail that will cause [11:52] Riddell: how about theh kdeinit5 crahs fix, is it in 5.3 ? [11:58] soee: I think so [11:59] Riddell: cool :) [12:05] * Riddell spots http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/vivid/release/ [12:54] I'm still not happy with plsama 4 integration with plasma 5. The kate text editor and dolphin file manager fonts on the toolbars are still too small to read on this large monitor even after setting up the fonts on system settings with root permissions...but I've only complained about this 20 times , maybe I'll have to keep reminding those devs that have small screens that there are others who use large ones in this day and age [12:56] kate is kf5 [12:58] yes Riddell, but it doesn't change it's fonts in system settings like it should, so it's acting like it's still plasma 4 [12:58] here at least, maybe I'm missing some libs ? [13:01] BluesKaj: Large screen as in high resolution, or as in large physical size? [13:01] BluesKaj: consider understanding that the solution to a software problem is not necessarily "I don't complain enough to the developers" [13:01] Also why system settings as root? [13:01] systemsettings as root makes zero sense (if you're not running your desktop as root) [13:01] lordievader, both [13:01] How high? [13:02] Resolution I mean. [13:03] when i want to edit sources.list for example and save the settings ...resolution 1920x1080 minimum [13:04] On this 2560x1440 fonts were fine and readable with default settings. [13:04] this is a 42" monitor/TV [13:05] TV? TV's are usually quite crappy in displaying text. [13:05] amd I'm 3.5M away [13:05] it displays very well if the font can be increased enough [13:06] just increase the dpi about 10% more [13:07] it used to work on plasma 4, suddenly the tes=xt inside the file will accept the setting , but not the toolbars etc [13:09] anyway , I have to go for a few mins ...bbl [13:38] Sput: do you have a reference for the bug fixed in 0.12.1? [13:39] http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/ doesn't seem to list any [13:41] no, there was no bug filed [13:41] Sput: how can I test that the bug is fixed? [13:42] * Riddell files https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quassel/+bug/1447613 [13:42] Launchpad bug 1447613 in quassel (Ubuntu W-series) "wrong timezone being written in some databases" [Undecided,New] [13:42] basically you need a quasselcore using postgres running on a server that does not run in UTC, and check if timestamps are correct on backlog reply [13:43] unfortunately, today we found another bug related to postgres restarts not handled properly, which will result in a 0.12.2 in the next few days :( the 0.12 cycle is cursed for some reason [13:43] ok we'll see if that gets past the SRU gatekeepers :) [13:44] good ol' konverstion, but then i don't need a core /server [13:44] Qt5 silently changing behavior in its psql driver has caused us lots of trouble already [13:46] BluesKaj: konvi also doesn't store/replay backlog :) [13:46] yeah, but who cares :) [13:47] suppose quassel is good for devs etc [13:47] Sput: btw ... do you have any info about https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=774860 ? [13:47] Debian bug 774860 in quassel-core "quassel-core crashes on client connect" [Normal,Open] [13:47] seems quasselcore's current debian packages crash on multicore systems [13:47] (I can reproduce, works fine on a singlecore raspi) [13:48] nope, I'm not aware of that problem (and the backtrace isn't really helpful) [13:48] can you reproduce on a recent core? 0.8 is ancient [13:49] Riddell: bluez-qt be red [13:49] it should be blue! [13:50] ScottK: bug 1447613 and bug 1434052 has srus for your pleasure [13:50] bug 1447613 in quassel (Ubuntu W-series) "wrong timezone being written in some databases" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1447613 [13:50] bug 1434052 in kubuntu-meta (Ubuntu Vivid) "kwallet wants to migrate empty kwallet4" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1434052 [13:51] Riddell: OK. Did we release yet? I'd rather hold off until after that. [13:51] ScottK: not as far as I know [13:51] * Riddell checks #ubuntu-release-party [13:51] no, it's not out yet [13:51] no official anouncement yet [13:54] Sput: I haven't built a recent core, but I can try that on my laptop [13:54] Sput: perhaps the packager needs a poke to just issue an update [13:55] sebas: mostly asking because lots of changes have gone into the whole core connection stuff post-0.8 [13:55] yup, makes sense [13:55] Debian releases on Saturday, so odds of new packages in Debian go up after that. [13:56] Sput: Doing anything with Qt Quick in Quassel these days btw? [13:56] Sho_: did I tell you about your combobox vs. lineedit height? [13:57] sitter: Yep but when I wanted to react you had gone [13:57] Sho_: nope [13:58] sitter: It's possible it's our fault, IIRC we have custom code to size the input line because it's a KTextEdit pretending to be a KLineEdit instead of an actual line edit [13:58] sitter: I don't have the nick combo enabled so I didn't notice so far [13:58] sitter: That said I'm not sure I like the height of the combo box much [14:00] Sput: I started working on a new Quick-based text widget for Konvi, but progress has been slow lately for lack of time [14:01] Sho_: do you want a bug report for that? mind you, I doubt people actually notice I only noticed by chance when taking a screenshot of that particular area [14:01] for me it's more a "cannot be unseen" problem ^^ [14:02] sitter: No, I'll look into it today because it bugs me now too [14:02] xD [14:02] Sho_: yeah, lack of time is a known issue :) [14:05] * lordievader goes to torrent iso's [14:09] sitter: Would you prefer the combo to be the size of the input line or the other way around, personally? [14:09] Time to seed :D [14:10] Sho_: latter, less wasted space IMO [14:10] sitter: that confused me :) [14:10] sitter: but basically qMin instead of qMax, right? [14:11] Sho_: nono, qmax :P [14:11] Hmm [14:11] Then I don't get the wasted space comment [14:11] Because the combo is larger than it needs to be [14:12] Sho_: by that I meant less space that isn't used for anything [14:13] i.e. it would be used by the bigger input line [14:13] sitter: But that dead space above the input line exists only because the combo box is raising the ceiling [14:13] If the combo is smaller it goes away [14:13] aaaaaaah [14:13] Sho_: shrink the combobox then [14:13] * sitter did not realize its the comobobox' fault [14:14] Which means ignoring Breeze's preferred size for the combo, which is technically evil [14:14] But I think it's hilariously large for a piece of main chat UI [14:14] *nod* [14:19] Riddell: kwallet and bluez-qt red [14:22] sitter: hmm should I have done the stop until the script finishes? [14:24] Riddell: you should remove upstream patches :P [14:24] Riddell: which script btw? [14:25] sitter: kubuntu-initial-upload for 5.3.0 [14:26] ah yeah, you should have run the integration pause job [14:26] no matter though as the build queue is filled up with builds from the merges anyway [14:29] plasma addons red [15:11] http://news.softpedia.com/news/Kubuntu-15-04-Officially-Released-Based-on-Beautiful-Plasma-5-Desktop-479175.shtml screenshots [15:11] mparillo: worth a wire post? ↑ [15:25] Riddell, is that officially sanctioned or is it premature ? [15:25] whoop whoop [15:25] released [15:26] congrats on the release everyone [15:26] now onto 15.10 [15:26] :D [15:26] how's this? http://www.kubuntu.org/ [15:26] ** proofreaders please check ↑ [15:26] !testers | proofread ↑ [15:26] proofread ↑: testers is Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley, alket, SourBlues, sgclark, neo31, vip for information [15:27] looks good [15:27] cool [15:28] ** Kubuntu 15.04 http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-15.04 === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - 10 years of friendlyness | Applications 15.04 Status http://goo.gl/JnVN6h | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | 15.04 is out - release the plasma! [15:29] thats nice! [15:32] Riddell: can you reproduce that konsole crash on quit all the time? [15:32] tsdgeos: yes I can [15:32] weird [15:32] :D [15:33] tsdgeos: do you get it? [15:33] not at all [15:33] hmm, I wonder if it's just me [15:33] anyone else get a crash on konsole close? [15:33] not here [15:34] sitter had it [15:34] Riddell: how are you quitting? [15:39] tsdgeos: alt-f4 [15:39] or typing "exit" [15:41] ah may be that i don't use breeze [15:42] nope, not that either [15:42] maybe it's the kwin breeze, will try later if i get bored [15:49] * Riddell blogs http://jriddell.org/2015/04/23/kubuntu-15-04-the-most-beautiful-desktop-alive/ [15:49] tsdgeos: I doubt it, otherwise other apps would get the same, it's only on apps that use kuniqueapplication [15:50] awooga, it's all out! [15:52] thanks ahoneybun, allee, BluesKaj, claydoh_, Darkwing, debfx, Mamarok, mitya57, Mirv, mparillo, ovidiu-florin, sgclark, Quintasan, ScottK, shadeslayer, starbuck1, vangelis, yofel and anyone I might have missed ! great team effort this cycle :) [15:52] Riddell: Is softpedia jumping the gun? [15:52] I'm really pleased with how plasma 5 is doing [15:52] looks great! [15:52] mparillo: they did but it's all out now so cannae be too fussy :) [15:52] I've also posted on HN, go upvote [15:52] Wiring away. [15:52] :) [15:53] https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=shadeslayer < top link here [15:54] Riddell, allee, BluesKaj, claydoh_, Darkwing, debfx, Mamarok, mitya57, Mirv, mparillo, ovidiu-florin, sgclark, Quintasan, ScottK, shadeslayer, vangelis, yofel: congrats on the release! [15:55] :) [16:03] Now that it is out, I will create a clean new 14.10 VM to test whether I need to revert: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VividUpgrades/Kubuntu [16:04] mparillo: why might you need to revert? [16:08] Thanks to all of you as well! :) [16:13] I was unsuccessful with the hosts magic. [16:13] So I might need to revert to the krunner version. [16:14] mparillo: hmm no, it worked fine for me [16:14] But today I should not need the hosts magic, correct? [16:14] mparillo: right [16:14] although it hasn't updated yet http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release [16:14] Don't worry, I will not revert without posting here first. [16:17] erm, what is that Snappy thing? no more deb packages for Unity? sounds strange.. [16:19] I guess it means you could install ubuntu and like android or windows etc just get updates for the whole OS [16:19] I guess [16:19] I need to read about it [16:19] and some package system on top of it [16:22] yuhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu [16:23] wheee! === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - 10 years of friendlyness | Applications 15.04 Status http://goo.gl/JnVN6h | plasma 5.3 http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.3.0_vivid.html | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | 15.04 is out - release the plasma! [16:28] plasma 5.3 backports http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.3.0_vivid.html [16:29] Riddell: Now that I see Vivid in http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release that means I should be able to upgrade through Muon without the hosts magic? [16:30] mparillo: yep [16:32] FWIW Riddell has wandered off for a few hours [16:37] yippie approved for akademy :) [16:38] Then I cannot share the good news, that I was able to initiate the distribution upgrade through Muon without hosts magic. Yesterday, I would click on the distribution upgrade box in Muon, enter my password, and nothing happened. Today, after entering my password, I see the distribution upgrader start. IIRC it takes over an hour in my VM. [16:46] how can I check the current status of the build of libkf5filemetadata-dev ? [16:46] for Kubuntu [16:52] ovidiu-florin: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kfilemetadata-kf5/5.6.2-0ubuntu1 has the build status [16:59] baloo-kf5 - 5.9.0 requires libkf5filemetadata-dev 5.9.0 [16:59] http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.3.0_vivid.html first one [17:00] ah - but kfilemetadata is on the same page [17:00] ah [17:00] let me look in to it [17:00] I've missed that [17:01] the log says Built successfully [17:01] Riddell: Looks like your SRUs got accepted. [17:01] why is it marked as failed to build? [17:01] ovidiu-florin: I retried baloo, kfm wasn't built yet when baloo failed [17:02] yofel: how did you do that? [17:02] if you click on the architecture you get to the build page, there's a retry button there (if you have permission to do that) [17:02] why is kfm marked with red if the build was succesfull? [17:03] it says at the top "version incorrect" - that build page is for plasma 5.3, not kf5 5.9 [17:03] that check is from the time when packages that got released at the same time actually had the same version... [17:04] how simple the world was back then.. [17:09] is anyone else running kubuntu with nvidia drivers installed? [17:09] because I have a ton of kwin issues [17:17] is kubuntu going to be affected by this? http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-15.10-DEB-To-Snap [17:28] plasma 5.3 beta isn't working out on my other HDD, lost the screen altogether and Xserver is running, but only the cursor show up...guess I'll revert to the new image and forget the plasma beta 5.3 [17:54] why oh why desktop right click is not working for me ... :( [18:19] BluesKaj: Plasma 5.3 beta works well for me [18:19] there is P3 final i thnk :) [18:20] P3? [18:20] 5.3 final [18:20] Is it packaged? [18:21] i have it in updates today [18:23] I am using beta backports ppa, need to check again [18:26] im not sure if all packages are there already but: http://wstaw.org/m/2015/04/23/snapshot1.png [18:28] This is from regular or backports? [18:28] murthy, well that's the ppa i used , guess it depends on the the HW and drivers then [18:29] BluesKaj: You mean the nvidia? [18:30] nvidia here, yes [18:31] BluesKaj: I am using the proprietary driver [18:31] this from the beta backports ppa [18:31] 340 here [18:32] Ya, beta ppa for me also. also there was a strange thing. There was an processor microcode update [18:32] yes I saw that too [18:32] I installed the same 340, I think that was the recommended one. [18:33] anyway I'm reinstalling the officail default image in about 5 mins [18:33] BluesKaj: soee says there is a 5.3 final, have you tried that? [18:35] in the backports ppa final ppa or final packages in the beta ppa? [18:37] well, Ill go take a look in the VT/TTY [18:38] soee: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.3.0_vivid.html [18:38] soee: some packaging are yet to be done [19:00] murthy: the 5.3 packages have been installed from next-staging ppa, just noticed i have it enabled ;) [19:02] right [19:04] soee: do you use chrome? [19:04] murthy: chromium [19:06] soee: ok. Chome doesnt show the download progress in 15.04 beta. is this happing in chromium? [19:07] I mean the download progress animated Icon [19:08] at the bottom of browser ? [19:08] ya also at the dedicated page [19:09] murthy: it shows icon ant teh downlaoded item description [19:09] tried this http://sourceforge.net/projects/typo3/files/latest/download [19:10] then it must be chrome [19:10] ovidiu-florin: we didnt make in time with new website? [19:11] ya i thought to ask the same question [19:11] the website is awesome === aaron__ is now known as ahoneybun [19:23] anyone know of a good site to upload videos without signup? [19:48] sgclark: approved by whom? [19:48] canonical [19:49] is that a problem? [19:50] of course not [19:50] * sitter tickles Riddell [19:50] Riddell: ^ [19:50] * Riddell tips a bucket of cava over sitter [19:51] \o/ [19:52] high 5 to all after Vivid release :) [19:52] Riddell: mh, shouldn't you unpause integration again? [19:52] sitter: oh good point! [19:53] Build Queue (312) quite the madness that is [19:53] Finished: ABORTED [19:54] lol [19:54] I know the feeling... [19:56] sitter: I've been requested to package kamoso and the bits for it actually should compile now so I guess I can do them tomorrow, is it easy to get into ci? [19:58] Riddell: create kubuntu_unstable and tell me about it [19:58] the jenkins job creation needs me to run a scripty since I haven't found time to automate this on a schedule yet [20:01] awesome work everyone :-) [20:02] Riddell: one of the projects at akademy will be to work on the artwork for Muon Discover don't you think? [20:08] i had to remove my configuration .config .kde to get right click on desktop work [20:17] soee: the kubuntu desktop standard install meta package in 15.04 is this right ? kubuntu-desktop [20:18] yes [20:18] well it is meta package so it installes are files it defines [20:18] *packages [20:22] I have a user reporting that Quassel freezes on startup on kubuntu 15.04... can anybody reproduce? [20:25] Sput: quassel working fine for me [20:25] KDDA: thx [20:25] I'm on plasma 5.3beta [20:26] ah, you're here :) [20:26] :) [20:26] http://picpaste.com/snapshot6-HnYUdtkt.png [20:27] this still persists btw [20:27] those are my only two issues atm [20:28] praise the lords [20:28] 15.04 got very positive reviews here [20:29] Quintasan: where'shere? [20:29] polish it media [20:29] http://www.dobreprogramy.pl/Kubuntu-15.04-nowy-Windows-o-takim-pulpicie-moze-tylko-pomarzyc,News,62584.html [20:29] \o/ [20:29] "New Windows can only dream about this kind of desktop" [20:30] :) [20:30] ari-tczew: tried it out yet? [20:30] Riddell: only as a live session. I'll install fresh vivid next weekend. [20:31]