[02:02] sorry, only saw now your message, wxl. What do you mean by taking comms? No, I don't [02:39] gsilva: whomever was in charge of comms/marketing usually put the official press release together which would be copied to the mailing lists [02:41] "Release announcement" [02:41] well yeah depending on who was in charge we'd call it that :) [02:46] gsilva: make sure to talk to rafaellaguna about translations [05:15] gsilva: why does 15.04 link to power pc on altenrate installer page when they are LTS only [05:56] ianorlin: Kamilion: want to confrim bug 1446247? i see no way to get the battery indicator, either [05:56] bug 1446247 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Lubuntu 15.04 - No power indicator in applet indicator" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1446247 [05:57] hm [05:58] just a tick, will fire up my bay trail [05:59] nm it works on battery monitor it seems :/ [05:59] you just have to add it [05:59] looks crappy though [06:03] Install -plugins, add the lxpanel plugin. In the next release (series), xfpm will have the tray icon back, and removed the lxpanel plugin due to going gtk3. [06:05] install lxpanel-plugins? [06:07] there's lxpanel-indicator-applet-plugin but i don't think that's what you mean Unit193 [06:07] !info xfce4-power-manager-plugins [06:07] xfce4-power-manager-plugins (source: xfce4-power-manager): power manager plugins for Xfce panel. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.1-0ubuntu1 (utopic), package size 33 kB, installed size 202 kB [06:07] !info xfce4-power-manager-plugins vivid [06:07] xfce4-power-manager-plugins (source: xfce4-power-manager): power manager plugins for Xfce panel. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.3-0ubuntu1 (vivid), package size 26 kB, installed size 129 kB [06:07] already installed [06:08] Oh hey, this package is missing it now. [06:08] where do i add the plugin? [06:08] what specifically are we looking for? [06:09] wxl: Nono, the -plugins package lost it in a recent upload. [06:09] Unit193: it == ? [06:09] the lxpanel plugin? [06:10] sounds like it. [06:10] Yeah, dpkg -L it. [06:10] 33KB -> 26KB [06:10] it wasn't supposed to. [06:10] hm and my 14.04 doesn't have it installed [06:11] weird [06:11] !info xfce4-power-manager-plugins trusty [06:11] Added in vivid, wxl. [06:11] oh [06:11] xfce4-power-manager-plugins (source: xfce4-power-manager): power manager plugins for Xfce panel. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.0-3ubuntu4.1 (trusty), package size 17 kB, installed size 99 kB [06:11] utopic, you mean? [06:11] added in vivid, but broken right out of the gate :) [06:11] or is that something else? [06:12] i'd like to say i've gotten used to Unit193's mysterious prose, Kamilion, but it's ok. #1 he's in ohio and #2 it's pretty freaking late over there, so i forgive him. [06:12] -rw-r--r-- root/root 62864 2015-01-21 07:21 ./usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/lxpanel/plugins/lxde_power_manager.so [06:12] wxl: Jackson Doak broke it last upload. [06:12] Thu, 23 Apr 2015 02:12:56 -0400 [06:13] damn you Noskcaj [06:13] :) [06:13] i mean darn you. [06:14] Unit193: got a link that that recent upload at hand? [06:14] k, so I'm guessing I don't actually need to confirm that now, lol [06:14] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/1.4.3-0ubuntu1 bad, and the good one is: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/1.4.2-0ubuntu5/ [06:15] wxl: Well, he may not have broken it, but it's not working and he was the one that uploaded. :P [06:15] it's in utopic [06:16] well the package is requested in the seed [06:16] but not trusty [06:16] well admittedly he pulled from an upstream release [06:17] now to dig that up [06:17] +1.4.3 [06:17] +===== [06:17] +New stable release of xfce4-power-manager. [06:17] + [06:17] +* Miscellaneous bug fixes: [06:17] + - Handle autotools m4 stuff properly [06:17] + - Plug a memory leak (Bug #11538) [06:17] bug 11538 in Ubuntu "hoary, python2.4 rebuilds of following packages needed" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/11538 [06:17] + - Add support for ConsoleKit2 [06:17] Soo. [06:17] nothing that sounds like it was intended to be removed. [06:18] unless it was the CK2 changes that broke it [06:18] fellow bug hunters i direct your attention to http://git.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-battery-plugin/ [06:19] or is that the wrong thing? [06:19] it is [06:19] http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/tag/?id=xfce4-power-manager-1.4.3 [06:20] checking for optional package lxpanel >= 0.7.0... not found [06:20] checking for optional package lxpanel >= 0.5.6... not found [06:21] wxl: dpkg -L lxpanel, got dev files? [06:21] http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/commit/?id=2c36ae152063984628700fd22bed2f6149a0fd58 [06:21] heh [06:21] If not, lxpanel is at fault. [06:21] don't seem to Unit193 [06:22] http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/commit/?id=9e7b4a7bee929b1dd6be3375c1d4b104bf4d660e [06:22] Nice. Job. I already fixed that once. :/ [06:22] could be this commit that changes the minimum versions. [06:22] i doubt it [06:22] i don't see much else in the commit log [06:23] Kamilion: I said in the move to GTK3 (Xfce 4.14 roadmap) lxpanel plugin is removed and tray icon is added. [06:23] lots of translations updates [06:23] ah [06:23] But that's unrelated, and Wombat. [06:23] Vivid should have it, except there's no lxpanel development files. [06:23] so dev files in lxpanel? got an example of what needs fixed Unit193, or you on it? [06:24] wxl: Isn't it too late? :P [06:24] Unit193: not for updates [06:24] it's never too late until it's too late. [06:24] so just nike. [06:25] https://soundcloud.com/mcaser/remember [06:25] wxl: I'd suspect https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/0.6.2-0ubuntu2 needs to happen again, but I haven't confirmed. [06:26] Unit193: you mean usr/include and usr/lib/*/pkgconfig? [06:27] is the override_dh_install still there? [06:28] Unit193: /usr/include/lxpanel does include some headers and such and /usr/lib/*/pkgconfig/lxpanel.pc exists [06:31] so i don't think that's it [06:31] wxl: Oh? Good. Right, so what's the deps in the pc file? [06:31] as that seems to be what was included in utopic [06:32] Unit193: glib-2.0 libfm [06:33] and i certainly see no reason why lxpanel shouldn't be supported according to the required packages: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/tree/README?id=xfce4-power-manager-1.4.3 [06:33] which is still consistent with trunk for that particular requirement [06:34] wxl: Have pbuilder? [06:34] Unit193: yep but not on the vivid vm. i can grab it. [06:35] VM will work. So try building xfpm, then install libfm-dev, then rebuild. I suspect that'll fix it. [06:36] wxl: The deps in the .pc file used to include libmenucache, but lxpanel didn't dep on -dev so we had to add that in build-deps of xfpm. Now it looks like lxpanel switched that out for libfm-dev, and again never added the dep. [06:36] sigh [06:37] where does the plugin actually get built? [06:37] i don't see it in configure unless i'm missing something [06:37] wxl: Actually, just run configure and see if it finds lxpanel. [06:37] Unit193: yeah but i don't see it in the configure itself. i see no check [06:38] wxl: I pasted a couple above, you'll see 'checking for lxpanel...' [06:38] i saw that much [06:39] Ah, so you mean actually in the script, look in configure.ac, easier to read. In checking, it'll look at lxpanel.pc for the deps, and if not met lxpanel isn't found. [06:39] ic [06:40] (I had to hunt this crap down the first time. I'll be glad when lxpanel's plugin in xfpm is gone.) [06:40] heheh [06:40] ...Wait, how did I get sucked into doing this now? 0_o [06:41] hahahah [06:41] ok got pbuilder [06:41] because you're the one with the knowledge [06:41] * wxl hunts down the .dsc [06:41] * Kamilion is learnerating too [06:42] My brain stopped working a while ago, it's heavy because I didn't sleep. [06:42] wxl: Hint, pdebuild is nice. [06:43] meanwhile, pbuilder --create drones on… [06:44] ummm [06:45] Yarp? [06:46] nuttin. got the xfpm deb [06:46] waiting on builder create :/ [06:47] Unit193: so just apt-get source and pdebuild then, right? [06:48] wxl: Swap the menucache dep for libfm-dev [06:48] pdebuild creates the dsc, so you don't need to first. [06:49] kk [06:49] also there are refrences and links to powerpc on the alternate page [06:50] Ewww, nononono. [06:50] also xombrero is actually in the 15.04 repos so should the need for ppa be mentioned on the bottom of alternate [06:50] You said two bad words! [06:50] The, err, PPA is better IMO. Feels funny saying that though. [06:50] I don't have much expierence [06:51] Unit193: do yo uwant me to rebuild -plugins or xfpm itself? [06:51] last time I tried it was quite crashy [06:52] ianorlin: Right, so vivid has it, good. The PPA one is newer, contains a dbg package, and is built against gtk2 so flash works. webkit is better in vivid, so xombrero crashes less. [06:52] wxl: Same thing, xfpm is the source, so -plugins is then built from that source. [06:52] Unit193: oh. gots it. so i need to add libfm-dev to lxpanel.pc? [06:53] checking for lxpanel >= 0.5.6... 0.7.2 [06:53] wxl: Umm. No. [06:53] * wxl cries [06:53] * wxl told you he didn't understand packaging [06:54] wxl: So everything is now in https://sigma.unit193.net/source/ to get the plugin to build. The correct fix is to fix it in lxpanel, and then rebuild xfpm but hey, whatever. [06:54] dget that dsc. [06:55] Unit193: i know you'll hate me for this but i want to fix it :) [06:56] wxl: Right, so vim xfce4-power-manager-1.4.3/debian/control and change the build-dep from libmenucache-dev (or whatever) to libfm-dev. Problem is, ftbfs. [06:56] Loguploaded. [06:56] ah k [06:57] .libs/lxde_power_manager_la-lxde-power-manager-plugin.o: In function `power_manager_plugin_new': [06:57] /tmp/buildd/xfce4-power-manager-1.4.3/panel-plugins/power-manager-plugin/lxde-0.7/lxde-power-manager-plugin.c:82: undefined reference to `lxpanel_plugin_qdata' [06:57] collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status [06:58] Unit193: anytime. thanks for the help. :) [06:59] That was in -ot. :P [06:59] And sure, but that leaves you in the same ship. [06:59] all good [06:59] you got me far enough along [06:59] and this can wait regardless [07:03] ianorlin: So rather my opinion, but of course repo > ppa. Am I making any sense? :P [07:03] yes [07:03] \o/ [07:42] wxk get it to build yet? [07:42] wxl ^^ [07:43] ah marked ready so may be SRUing this one [07:45] FTBFS. [07:45] ah yeah don't think this can get resolved on release really [08:15] so there's another ppa for post-release updates? [14:02] hi everyone o/ [14:12] no news about the release, wxl, ianorlin, Unit193 ? [14:14] gsilva: we seem to be waiting on kylin but the official announcement will be made on #ubuntu-release [14:14] oki [14:14] can you guys let me know? [14:14] when the official announcement is made* [14:16] hi [14:16] hi, melodie. Forgot to reply to your email. sorry, I overslept today and the day isn't going very well [14:16] has someone noticed any issue with lxappearance? [14:16] We can meet later tonight, around 22 or so [14:16] gsilva no worry [14:16] yes, this could be ok [14:17] cool ;) [14:17] I am here to ask about lxappearance [14:17] well I myself went to sleep very late as you could see per the mail I sent back to you, but strangely I didn't get up that late, and I am feeling tired [14:17] but I still want to do lots of little things that take time, in my computers [14:19] I met an issue in Bento 64bits which I upgraded to Vivid in my tower. Lxappearance would not start, and when started with debug there was something about the obconf plugin of lxappearance. Once removed the problem is solved, lxappearance starts [14:19] I would like to know if the same can be seen in Lubuntu Vivid, or if it is only me? [14:19] if in Lubuntu as well I'll go do the bug report [14:23] never mind if no one can check, I'll grab it and launch it in vbox [14:26] will do gsilva [14:27] melodie: just you [14:27] hi wxl [14:28] what are you saying? [14:28] hai [14:28] no problems with lxappearance here [14:28] it seems to me that lxappearance does not work the way it used to, in the actual version [14:28] lxappearance starts fine here [14:29] example, I just changed the gtk theme in it, I am using graybird from the shimmer-theme, but it is not changed in the settings.ini in the gtk-3 folder [14:29] do you have lxappearance-obconf installed in your system? [14:29] wxl can you check that? [14:30] melodie: oh, no. we just use lxappearance [14:30] well if you add lxappearance-obconf, then does it start or doesn't it? [14:30] this is the bug I try to pin point, for a start [14:30] well hold on i see alot of references to obconf [14:30] the gtk 3 settings ini will come after [14:31] lxappearance-obconf that is [14:31] yes [14:31] it is supposed to add the obconf tab in the lxappearance gui [14:31] the tab is called obconf? [14:31] well it is meant for this purpose, and obviously hasn't been updated, so maybe this is the problem? [14:32] I try to check in my Trusty install (here) just a sec [14:32] oh interesting [14:32] it is a separate package and is installed [14:32] aha [14:33] i see [14:33] yes, I have it in bento trusty too [14:33] it adds things like window border, etc. [14:33] where's this settings.ini? [14:33] yes, exactly! [14:33] in .config/gtk-3.0 [14:33] none there [14:34] and in /etc/gtk-3.0 [14:34] i only have bookmarks [14:34] omg Lubuntu uses a custom profile [14:34] there is one in etc [14:34] what about /etc/gtk-3.0 ? [14:34] ok [14:35] I wonder if lxappearance has been patched for lubuntu - unlikely right? [14:35] which is not consistent with the setup of lxappearance [14:35] you mean changed from upstream? [14:35] yes? [14:35] probably not? [14:35] !info lxappearance vivid [14:36] lxappearance (source: lxappearance): LXDE GTK+ theme switcher. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.6.1-1 (vivid), package size 76 kB, installed size 852 kB [14:36] possibly [14:36] strange versioning [14:36] usually there's a 1ubuntu1 or something which would lead one to know the status of patches [14:37] it's possible that -1 indicates that one patch exists [14:39] normally not [14:39] it usually means it's the first package done with this branch [14:39] melodie: of course that patch could be as little as changing some debian control file crap [14:39] so if i were you i'd compare whatever version you have with the revision info https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/lxappearance/vivid [14:40] I think I can ask help from the dev of lxappearance when he will be on his chan, as if there is no bug in lubuntu, it might be something which can be found with strace or with gdb, just I'm not qualified to debug the right way [14:40] * wxl notes that it's behaving right trusty, too [14:40] in trusty [14:40] in Trusty I don't have any issue at all [14:42] I have to check the settings in /etc [14:43] ok, so I'll see with Lstranger a bit later, thank you. [14:43] np [15:25] wxl I might have found the cause of my issue [15:25] I have to check something to be sure [15:42] what is the right command line to output the content of "strace" to a file instead of stdin ? [15:48] never mind I found [15:55] gsilva: looks like we're good to go [15:56] okay, need to finish one thing before and I'll start the job [15:56] thanks [15:56] gsilva: you get the press release taken care of? [15:56] phillw said to ask Kris that [15:56] k [15:56] Assuming you're referring to the social media thing [15:57] Or you're talking about this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Announcement/15.04 [15:57] well when silverlion was around we had a consistent message— the press release— which would be used everywhere, including the mailing list [15:58] gsilva: like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing/Press%20Releases?highlight=%28lubuntu%29%7C%28press%29%7C%28release%29 [15:59] No, I haven't done that [15:59] Don't we have a comms guy? [15:59] I thought this wasn't from my team [15:59] yeah i guess we do :) [15:59] he's not on irc [16:03] sent an email [16:04] Should I wait for him? [16:04] no [16:04] make the wiki ready [16:13] here we go then [16:23] Done, wxl [16:26] red alert: Kris says he doesn't has access to Facebook and G+ groups [16:33] wxl, do you know who has access to the administration of Facebook and such? [16:33] My share is done, btw [16:46] gsilva: kris should be in charge, but phillw and i can both help [16:46] He says he doesn't has access to those two groups [16:52] gsilva: as it relates to facebook, i'm pretty sure he's smoking something [16:52] lool [16:52] Don't know, but he has emphasized that [16:52] Unless he's not aware about what to do [16:53] gsilva: did he go to https://www.facebook.com/groups/lubuntu.official/? [16:56] wxl, we need a comms leader... [16:56] gsilva: kris is supposed to be! [16:56] Anyway, he is taking care of that, although he pointed out that the website hasn't published anything [16:56] I know, but I meant a dedicated one [16:57] yeah well start recruiting [16:57] Wasn't silverlion in charge of that? [16:58] yeah but he l;eft [16:58] i thought kris was THE GUY now [16:59] maybe this might be good for a discssion on lubuntu-admins [16:59] make sure he's included [16:59] And he's mad at me [17:00] he's also a mod here https://plus.google.com/communities/102737741860934586009 [17:01] Alright [17:01] Told him and I'm not insisting anymore. Focusing on my thesis for no [17:01] now* [17:01] is he on irc??/ [17:02] No [17:03] Ah, he announced on Facebook and G+, although he can't announce on the official Lubuntu Page [17:03] haven't seen anything on the lists yet [17:03] official lubuntu page = lubuntu.net? [17:04] man i feel like i should be talking to him directly [17:05] He posed on the official lubuntu page (on Facebook) and hence an admin can simply share or copy-paste the thing [17:05] no, official page on Facebook [17:05] lubuntu.net is not done yet [17:07] there's a lubuntu official GROUP on facebook [17:07] but not a page [17:07] well i guess there's this https://www.facebook.com/Lubuntu.Official.Page?fref=ts [17:07] i have no access to it [17:09] krismaguire: i have no access to that lubuntu PAGE [17:09] you are admins of the google+ community and facebook GROUP but i don't know about that page [17:09] did you also get twitter, reddit? [17:09] the mailing list? [17:11] done twitter, don't have access to the reddit [17:11] which mailing list does it go to? [17:11] hold on and i' [17:11] ll fix that [17:12] i'd send it to lubuntu-admins, lubuntu-qa and lubuntu-users [17:12] the former two are on launchpad [17:12] if you're not a member of qa, don't sweat it, i'll approve [17:14] gsilva: we should add to the pre/post todo to make sure we have access to everything :) [17:14] krismaguire: what's your twitter handle? [17:14] argh [17:14] s/twitter/reddit/ [17:14] LubuntuOfficial [17:15] krismaguire: reddit [17:15] I don't have a reddit [17:15] would you like to get one then? :) [17:16] so question, krismaguire: are you now the official comms guy or are you temporary or what? i'm so confused :) [17:17] I'm temporary! [17:17] ah k [17:17] * wxl sighs [17:17] so silverlion's coming back at some point? [17:18] Hopefully [17:18] Why the sigh matey? [17:18] oh well, we'll figure it out [17:18] i just wish we had someone who could just stay ;) [17:18] bbl [17:19] Reddit handle: krismaguire [17:19] This is my first ever release, it's mental! [17:20] hahahahah [17:21] you've been invitedcx to moderate the subreddit krismaguire [17:21] is pre release insomnia a thing cause I had trouble getting up [17:21] hahahahha [17:21] i wanted to lay in bed all day [17:21] but that's because my dog is so darn cuddly and cute :) [17:21] …and i was cold [17:22] although i did stay up way too late working on bugs [17:23] I mean I was up until 2 am which is quite late for me [17:23] yeah that's later than i go [17:23] i'm usually out by 10-11 [17:24] me too [17:26] Well, it could have went worse [17:27] heheh [17:27] plus I now have a reddit account :D [17:27] krismaguire: about that, nice knowing you [17:28] seriously reddit is even worse than facebook when it comes to time suck [17:28] the time waster subreddits are just chock full of wonderful memes [17:28] and the comments are often better [17:28] and the serious subreddits have LOTS of great content [17:32] Yeah I read a lot of reddit for my vaping stuff :) [18:54] http://lubuntu.net - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.10/release/lubuntu-15.04-desktop-i386.iso notice a problem there? [18:56] yeah well none of us have access to lubuntu.net Unit193 [18:57] Mhmm, still. [18:58] hi [18:59] wxl the issue I had met came from the openbox testing version from a ppa (lubuntu-devel) which I was testing [18:59] I sent a mail to the developer looking after this package, as he is also the maintainer of Openbox for the Debian repositories [19:00] okie dokie melodie [19:01] in the same shot I found one more bug in the package which lead me to be locked out during a moment [19:01] so it was not that fast to find [19:02] a nice reminder to always check version numbers first :) [19:04] wxl not at all [19:05] I have installed that ppa on purpose because it contains a long wished new feature [19:05] this is about testing [19:05] right, but if we would have checked numbers between us we would have figured out where the problem lied [19:05] the glitch I found is the reverse depends, it misses to automatically uninstaller libobrender and another package [19:06] you could not know I was using an openbox testing version [19:06] no harm done [19:06] we would not have matching versions [19:06] at which point you could apt-cache policy and see where yours came from [19:07] never mind as long as I could finally find what it was about [19:07] I also had to fix one of my virtualboxes, as it is always messy [19:07] since it's not free software! :-( [19:10] that's what kvm is for [19:22] not all my machines are kvm capable [19:23] I think only one perhaps, and since I got it I haven't learned how to use it [19:23] KVM is the best way to test UEFI. [19:24] yeah i just discovered that [19:24] Unit193 none of my machines has uefi [19:24] hi btw :) [19:24] ...Hence why it's the best way to test it, exactly my point... [19:24] Hello. [19:25] kvm capability, is in the cpuinfo flags, right? [19:26] intel i5 in this one [19:26] kvm or not kvm ? :) [19:36] heck my 5 year old laptop can't run kvm on it [19:36]