[02:02] <gsilva> sorry, only saw now your message, wxl. What do you mean by taking comms? No, I don't
[02:39] <wxl> gsilva: whomever was in charge of comms/marketing usually put the official press release together which would be copied to the mailing lists
[02:41] <Unit193> "Release announcement"
[02:41] <wxl> well yeah depending on who was in charge we'd call it that :)
[02:46] <wxl> gsilva: make sure to talk to rafaellaguna about translations
[05:15] <ianorlin> gsilva: why does 15.04 link to power pc on altenrate installer page when they are LTS only
[05:56] <wxl> ianorlin: Kamilion: want to confrim bug 1446247? i see no way to get the battery indicator, either
[05:57] <Kamilion> hm
[05:58] <Kamilion> just a tick, will fire up my bay trail
[05:59] <wxl> nm it works on battery monitor it seems :/
[05:59] <wxl> you just have to add it
[05:59] <wxl> looks crappy though
[06:03] <Unit193> Install -plugins, add the lxpanel plugin.  In the next release (series), xfpm will have the tray icon back, and removed the lxpanel plugin due to going gtk3.
[06:05] <wxl> install lxpanel-plugins?
[06:07] <wxl> there's lxpanel-indicator-applet-plugin but i don't think that's what you mean Unit193
[06:07] <Unit193> !info xfce4-power-manager-plugins
[06:07] <Unit193> !info xfce4-power-manager-plugins vivid
[06:07] <wxl> already installed
[06:08] <Unit193> Oh hey, this package is missing it now.
[06:08] <wxl> where do i add the plugin?
[06:08] <wxl> what specifically are we looking for?
[06:09] <Unit193> wxl: Nono, the -plugins package lost it in a recent upload.
[06:09] <wxl> Unit193: it == ?
[06:09] <wxl> the lxpanel plugin?
[06:10] <Kamilion> sounds like it.
[06:10] <Unit193> Yeah, dpkg -L it.
[06:10] <Kamilion> 33KB -> 26KB
[06:10] <Unit193> it wasn't supposed to.
[06:10] <wxl> hm and my 14.04 doesn't have it installed
[06:11] <wxl> weird
[06:11] <Kamilion> !info xfce4-power-manager-plugins trusty
[06:11] <Unit193> Added in vivid, wxl.
[06:11] <wxl> oh
[06:11] <Kamilion> utopic, you mean?
[06:11] <wxl> added in vivid, but broken right out of the gate :)
[06:11] <Kamilion> or is that something else?
[06:12] <wxl> i'd like to say i've gotten used to Unit193's mysterious prose, Kamilion, but it's ok. #1 he's in ohio and #2 it's pretty freaking late over there, so i forgive him.
[06:12] <Unit193> -rw-r--r-- root/root     62864 2015-01-21 07:21 ./usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/lxpanel/plugins/lxde_power_manager.so
[06:12] <Unit193> wxl: Jackson Doak broke it last upload.
[06:12] <Unit193> Thu, 23 Apr 2015 02:12:56 -0400
[06:13] <wxl> damn you Noskcaj
[06:13] <wxl> :)
[06:13] <wxl> i mean darn you.
[06:14] <wxl> Unit193: got a link that that recent upload at hand?
[06:14] <Kamilion> k, so I'm guessing I don't actually need to confirm that now, lol
[06:14] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/1.4.3-0ubuntu1 bad, and the good one is: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/1.4.2-0ubuntu5/
[06:15] <Unit193> wxl: Well, he may not have broken it, but it's not working and he was the one that uploaded. :P
[06:15] <wxl> it's in utopic
[06:16] <wxl> well the package is requested in the seed
[06:16] <wxl> but not trusty
[06:16] <wxl> well admittedly he pulled from an upstream release
[06:17] <wxl> now to dig that up
[06:17] <Unit193> +1.4.3
[06:17] <Unit193> +[06:17] <Unit193> +New stable release of xfce4-power-manager.
[06:17] <Unit193> +
[06:17] <Unit193> +* Miscellaneous bug fixes:
[06:17] <Unit193> + - Handle autotools m4 stuff properly
[06:17] <Unit193> + - Plug a memory leak (Bug #11538)
[06:17] <Unit193> + - Add support for ConsoleKit2
[06:17] <Unit193> Soo.
[06:17] <Kamilion> nothing that sounds like it was intended to be removed.
[06:18] <Kamilion> unless it was the CK2 changes that broke it
[06:18] <wxl> fellow bug hunters i direct your attention to http://git.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-battery-plugin/
[06:19] <wxl> or is that the wrong thing?
[06:19] <wxl> it is
[06:19] <wxl> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/tag/?id=xfce4-power-manager-1.4.3
[06:20] <Unit193> checking for optional package lxpanel >= 0.7.0... not found
[06:20] <Unit193> checking for optional package lxpanel >= 0.5.6... not found
[06:21] <Unit193> wxl: dpkg -L lxpanel, got dev files?
[06:21] <Kamilion> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/commit/?id=2c36ae152063984628700fd22bed2f6149a0fd58
[06:21] <Kamilion> heh
[06:21] <Unit193> If not, lxpanel is at fault.
[06:21] <wxl> don't seem to Unit193
[06:22] <Kamilion> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/commit/?id=9e7b4a7bee929b1dd6be3375c1d4b104bf4d660e
[06:22] <Unit193> Nice.  Job.  I already fixed that once. :/
[06:22] <Kamilion> could be this commit that changes the minimum versions.
[06:22] <wxl> i doubt it
[06:22] <Kamilion> i don't see much else in the commit log
[06:23] <Unit193> Kamilion: I said in the move to GTK3 (Xfce 4.14 roadmap) lxpanel plugin is removed and tray icon is added.
[06:23] <Kamilion> lots of translations updates
[06:23] <Kamilion> ah
[06:23] <Unit193> But that's unrelated, and Wombat.
[06:23] <Unit193> Vivid should have it, except there's no lxpanel development files.
[06:23] <wxl> so dev files in lxpanel? got an example of what needs fixed Unit193, or you on it?
[06:24] <Unit193> wxl: Isn't it too late? :P
[06:24] <wxl> Unit193: not for updates
[06:24] <Kamilion> it's never too late until it's too late.
[06:24] <Kamilion> so just nike.
[06:25] <Kamilion> https://soundcloud.com/mcaser/remember
[06:25] <Unit193> wxl: I'd suspect https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/0.6.2-0ubuntu2 needs to happen again, but I haven't confirmed.
[06:26] <wxl> Unit193: you mean usr/include and usr/lib/*/pkgconfig?
[06:27] <Kamilion> is the override_dh_install still there?
[06:28] <wxl> Unit193: /usr/include/lxpanel does include some headers and such and /usr/lib/*/pkgconfig/lxpanel.pc exists
[06:31] <wxl> so i don't think that's it
[06:31] <Unit193> wxl: Oh?   Good.  Right, so what's the deps in the pc file?
[06:31] <wxl> as that seems to be what was included in utopic
[06:32] <wxl> Unit193: glib-2.0 libfm
[06:33] <wxl> and i certainly see no reason why lxpanel shouldn't be supported according to the required packages: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/tree/README?id=xfce4-power-manager-1.4.3
[06:33] <wxl> which is still consistent with trunk for that particular requirement
[06:34] <Unit193> wxl: Have pbuilder?
[06:34] <wxl> Unit193: yep but not on the vivid vm. i can grab it.
[06:35] <Unit193> VM will work.  So try building xfpm, then install libfm-dev, then rebuild.  I suspect that'll fix it.
[06:36] <Unit193> wxl: The deps in the .pc file used to include libmenucache, but lxpanel didn't dep on -dev so we had to add that in build-deps of xfpm.  Now it looks like lxpanel switched that out for libfm-dev, and again never added the dep.
[06:36] <wxl> sigh
[06:37] <wxl> where does the plugin actually get built?
[06:37] <wxl> i don't see it in configure unless i'm missing something
[06:37] <Unit193> wxl: Actually, just run configure and see if it finds lxpanel.
[06:37] <wxl> Unit193: yeah but i don't see it in the configure itself. i see no check
[06:38] <Unit193> wxl: I pasted a couple above, you'll see 'checking for lxpanel...'
[06:38] <wxl> i saw that much
[06:39] <Unit193> Ah, so you mean actually in the script, look in configure.ac, easier to read.  In checking, it'll look at lxpanel.pc for the deps, and if not met lxpanel isn't found.
[06:39] <wxl> ic
[06:40] <Unit193> (I had to hunt this crap down the first time.  I'll be glad when lxpanel's plugin in xfpm is gone.)
[06:40] <wxl> heheh
[06:40] <Unit193> ...Wait, how did I get sucked into doing this now? 0_o
[06:41] <wxl> hahahah
[06:41] <wxl> ok got pbuilder
[06:41] <Kamilion> because you're the one with the knowledge
[06:41]  * wxl hunts down the .dsc
[06:41]  * Kamilion is learnerating too
[06:42] <Unit193> My brain stopped working a while ago, it's heavy because I didn't sleep.
[06:42] <Unit193> wxl: Hint, pdebuild is nice.
[06:43] <wxl> meanwhile, pbuilder --create drones on…
[06:44] <wxl> ummm
[06:45] <Unit193> Yarp?
[06:46] <wxl> nuttin. got the xfpm deb
[06:46] <wxl> waiting on builder create :/
[06:47] <wxl> Unit193: so just apt-get source and pdebuild then, right?
[06:48] <Unit193> wxl: Swap the menucache dep for libfm-dev
[06:48] <Unit193> pdebuild creates the dsc, so you don't need to first.
[06:49] <wxl> kk
[06:49] <ianorlin> also there are refrences and links to powerpc on the alternate page
[06:50] <Unit193> Ewww, nononono.
[06:50] <ianorlin> also xombrero is actually in the 15.04 repos so should the need for ppa be mentioned on the bottom of alternate
[06:50] <Unit193> You said two bad words!
[06:50] <Unit193> The, err, PPA is better IMO.  Feels funny saying that though.
[06:50] <ianorlin> I don't have much expierence
[06:51] <wxl> Unit193: do yo uwant me to rebuild -plugins or xfpm itself?
[06:51] <ianorlin> last time I tried it was quite crashy
[06:52] <Unit193> ianorlin: Right, so vivid has it, good.  The PPA one is newer, contains a dbg package, and is built against gtk2 so flash works.  webkit is better in vivid, so xombrero crashes less.
[06:52] <Unit193> wxl: Same thing, xfpm is the source, so -plugins is then built from that source.
[06:52] <wxl> Unit193: oh. gots it. so i need to add libfm-dev to lxpanel.pc?
[06:53] <Unit193> checking for lxpanel >= 0.5.6... 0.7.2
[06:53] <Unit193> wxl: Umm. No.
[06:53]  * wxl cries
[06:53]  * wxl told you he didn't understand packaging
[06:54] <Unit193> wxl: So everything is now in https://sigma.unit193.net/source/ to get the plugin to build.  The correct fix is to fix it in lxpanel, and then rebuild xfpm but hey, whatever.
[06:54] <Unit193> dget that dsc.
[06:55] <wxl> Unit193: i know you'll hate me for this but i want to fix it :)
[06:56] <Unit193> wxl: Right, so  vim xfce4-power-manager-1.4.3/debian/control  and change the build-dep from libmenucache-dev (or whatever) to libfm-dev.  Problem is, ftbfs.
[06:56] <Unit193> Loguploaded.
[06:56] <wxl> ah k
[06:57] <Unit193> .libs/lxde_power_manager_la-lxde-power-manager-plugin.o: In function `power_manager_plugin_new':
[06:57] <Unit193> /tmp/buildd/xfce4-power-manager-1.4.3/panel-plugins/power-manager-plugin/lxde-0.7/lxde-power-manager-plugin.c:82: undefined reference to `lxpanel_plugin_qdata'
[06:57] <Unit193> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
[06:58] <wxl> Unit193: anytime. thanks for the help. :)
[06:59] <Unit193> That was in -ot. :P
[06:59] <Unit193> And sure, but that leaves you in the same ship.
[06:59] <wxl> all good
[06:59] <wxl> you got me far enough along
[06:59] <wxl> and this can wait regardless
[07:03] <Unit193> ianorlin: So rather my opinion, but of course repo > ppa.  Am I making any sense? :P
[07:03] <ianorlin> yes
[07:03] <Unit193> \o/
[07:42] <ianorlin> wxk get it to build yet?
[07:42] <ianorlin> wxl ^^
[07:43] <ianorlin> ah marked ready so may be SRUing this one
[07:45] <Unit193> FTBFS.
[07:45] <ianorlin> ah yeah don't think this can get resolved on release really
[08:15] <Kamilion> so there's another ppa for post-release updates?
[14:02] <gsilva> hi everyone o/
[14:12] <gsilva> no news about the release, wxl, ianorlin, Unit193 ?
[14:14] <wxl> gsilva: we seem to be waiting on kylin but the official announcement will be made on #ubuntu-release
[14:14] <gsilva> oki
[14:14] <gsilva> can you guys let me know?
[14:14] <gsilva> when the official announcement is made*
[14:16] <melodie> hi
[14:16] <gsilva> hi, melodie. Forgot to reply to your email. sorry, I overslept today and the day isn't going very well
[14:16] <melodie> has someone noticed any issue with lxappearance?
[14:16] <gsilva> We can meet later tonight, around 22 or so
[14:16] <melodie> gsilva no worry
[14:16] <melodie> yes, this could be ok
[14:17] <gsilva> cool ;)
[14:17] <melodie> I am here to ask about lxappearance
[14:17] <melodie> well I myself went to sleep very late as you could see per the mail I sent back to you, but strangely I didn't get up that late, and I am feeling tired
[14:17] <melodie> but I still want to do lots of little things that take time, in my computers
[14:19] <melodie> I met an issue in Bento 64bits which I upgraded to Vivid in my tower. Lxappearance would not start, and when started with debug there was something about the obconf plugin of lxappearance. Once removed the problem is solved, lxappearance starts
[14:19] <melodie> I would like to know if the same can be seen in Lubuntu Vivid, or if it is only me?
[14:19] <melodie> if in Lubuntu as well I'll go do the bug report
[14:23] <melodie> never mind if no one can check, I'll grab it and launch it in vbox
[14:26] <wxl> will do gsilva
[14:27] <wxl> melodie: just you
[14:27] <melodie> hi wxl
[14:28] <melodie> what are you saying?
[14:28] <wxl> hai
[14:28] <wxl> no problems with lxappearance here
[14:28] <melodie> it seems to me that lxappearance does not work the way it used to, in the actual version
[14:28] <wxl> lxappearance starts fine here
[14:29] <melodie> example, I just changed the gtk theme in it, I am using graybird from the shimmer-theme, but it is not changed in the settings.ini in the gtk-3 folder
[14:29] <melodie> do you have lxappearance-obconf installed in your system?
[14:29] <melodie> wxl can you check that?
[14:30] <wxl> melodie: oh, no. we just use lxappearance
[14:30] <melodie> well if you add lxappearance-obconf, then does it start or doesn't it?
[14:30] <melodie> this is the bug I try to pin point, for a start
[14:30] <wxl> well hold on i see  alot of references to obconf
[14:30] <melodie> the gtk 3 settings ini will come after
[14:31] <wxl> lxappearance-obconf that is
[14:31] <melodie> yes
[14:31] <melodie> it is supposed to add the obconf tab in the lxappearance gui
[14:31] <wxl> the tab is called obconf?
[14:31] <melodie> well it is meant for this purpose, and obviously hasn't been updated, so maybe this is the problem?
[14:32] <melodie> I try to check in my Trusty install (here) just a sec
[14:32] <wxl> oh interesting
[14:32] <wxl> it is a separate package and is installed
[14:32] <melodie> aha
[14:33] <wxl> i see
[14:33] <melodie> yes, I have it in bento trusty too
[14:33] <wxl> it adds things like window border, etc.
[14:33] <wxl> where's this settings.ini?
[14:33] <melodie> yes, exactly!
[14:33] <melodie> in .config/gtk-3.0
[14:33] <wxl> none there
[14:34] <melodie> and in /etc/gtk-3.0
[14:34] <wxl> i only have bookmarks
[14:34] <melodie> omg Lubuntu uses a custom profile
[14:34] <wxl> there is one in etc
[14:34] <melodie> what about /etc/gtk-3.0 ?
[14:34] <melodie> ok
[14:35] <melodie> I wonder if lxappearance has been patched for lubuntu - unlikely right?
[14:35] <wxl> which is not consistent with the setup of lxappearance
[14:35] <wxl> you mean changed from upstream?
[14:35] <melodie> yes?
[14:35] <melodie> probably not?
[14:35] <wxl> !info lxappearance vivid
[14:36] <wxl> possibly
[14:36] <wxl> strange versioning
[14:36] <wxl> usually there's a 1ubuntu1 or something which would lead one to know the status of patches
[14:37] <wxl> it's possible that -1 indicates that one patch exists
[14:39] <melodie> normally not
[14:39] <melodie> it usually means it's the first package done with this branch
[14:39] <wxl> melodie: of course that patch could be as little as changing some debian control file crap
[14:39] <wxl> so if i were you i'd compare whatever version you have with the revision info https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/lxappearance/vivid
[14:40] <melodie> I think I can ask help from the dev of lxappearance when he will be on his chan, as if there is no bug in lubuntu, it might be something which can be found with strace or with gdb, just I'm not qualified to debug the right way
[14:40]  * wxl notes that it's behaving right trusty, too
[14:40] <wxl> in trusty
[14:40] <melodie> in Trusty I don't have any issue at all
[14:42] <melodie> I have to check the settings in /etc
[14:43] <melodie> ok, so I'll see with Lstranger a bit later, thank you.
[14:43] <wxl> np
[15:25] <melodie> wxl I might have found the cause of my issue
[15:25] <melodie> I have to check something to be sure
[15:42] <melodie> what is the right command line to output the content of "strace" to a file instead of stdin ?
[15:48] <melodie> never mind I found
[15:55] <wxl> gsilva: looks like we're good to go
[15:56] <gsilva> okay, need to finish one thing before and I'll start the job
[15:56] <gsilva> thanks
[15:56] <wxl> gsilva: you get the press release taken care of?
[15:56] <gsilva> phillw said to ask Kris that
[15:56] <wxl> k
[15:56] <gsilva> Assuming you're referring to the social media thing
[15:57] <gsilva> Or you're talking about this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Announcement/15.04
[15:57] <wxl> well when silverlion was around we had a consistent message— the press release— which would be used everywhere, including the mailing list
[15:58] <wxl> gsilva: like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing/Press%20Releases?highlight=%28lubuntu%29%7C%28press%29%7C%28release%29
[15:59] <gsilva> No, I haven't done that
[15:59] <gsilva> Don't we have a comms guy?
[15:59] <gsilva> I thought this wasn't from my team
[15:59] <wxl> yeah i guess we do :)
[15:59] <wxl> he's not on irc
[16:03] <wxl> sent an email
[16:04] <gsilva> Should I wait for him?
[16:04] <wxl> no
[16:04] <wxl> make the wiki ready
[16:13] <gsilva> here we go then
[16:23] <gsilva> Done, wxl
[16:26] <gsilva> red alert: Kris says he doesn't has access to Facebook and G+ groups
[16:33] <gsilva> wxl, do you know who has access to the administration of Facebook and such?
[16:33] <gsilva> My share is done, btw
[16:46] <wxl> gsilva: kris should be in charge, but phillw and i can both help
[16:46] <gsilva> He says he doesn't has access to those two groups
[16:52] <wxl> gsilva: as it relates to facebook, i'm pretty sure he's smoking something
[16:52] <gsilva> lool
[16:52] <gsilva> Don't know, but he has emphasized that
[16:52] <gsilva> Unless he's not aware about what to do
[16:53] <wxl> gsilva: did he go to https://www.facebook.com/groups/lubuntu.official/?
[16:56] <gsilva> wxl, we need a comms leader...
[16:56] <wxl> gsilva: kris is supposed to be!
[16:56] <gsilva> Anyway, he is taking care of that, although he pointed out that the website hasn't published anything
[16:56] <gsilva> I know, but I meant a dedicated one
[16:57] <wxl> yeah well start recruiting
[16:57] <gsilva> Wasn't silverlion in charge of that?
[16:58] <wxl> yeah but he l;eft
[16:58] <wxl> i thought kris was THE GUY now
[16:59] <wxl> maybe this might be good for a discssion on lubuntu-admins
[16:59] <wxl> make sure he's included
[16:59] <gsilva> And he's mad at me
[17:00] <wxl> he's also a mod here https://plus.google.com/communities/102737741860934586009
[17:01] <gsilva> Alright
[17:01] <gsilva> Told him and I'm not insisting anymore. Focusing on my thesis for no
[17:01] <gsilva> now*
[17:01] <wxl> is he on irc??/
[17:02] <gsilva> No
[17:03] <gsilva> Ah, he announced on Facebook and G+, although he can't announce on the official Lubuntu Page
[17:03] <wxl> haven't seen anything on the lists yet
[17:03] <wxl> official lubuntu page = lubuntu.net?
[17:04] <wxl> man i feel like i should be talking to him directly
[17:05] <gsilva> He posed on the official lubuntu page (on Facebook) and hence an admin can simply share or copy-paste the thing
[17:05] <gsilva> no, official page on Facebook
[17:05] <gsilva> lubuntu.net is not done yet
[17:07] <wxl> there's a lubuntu official GROUP on facebook
[17:07] <wxl> but not a page
[17:07] <wxl> well i guess there's this https://www.facebook.com/Lubuntu.Official.Page?fref=ts
[17:07] <wxl> i have no access to it
[17:09] <wxl> krismaguire: i have no access to that lubuntu PAGE
[17:09] <wxl> you are admins of the google+ community and facebook GROUP but i don't know about that page
[17:09] <wxl> did you also get twitter, reddit?
[17:09] <wxl> the mailing list?
[17:11] <krismaguire> done twitter, don't have access to the reddit
[17:11] <krismaguire> which mailing list does it go to?
[17:11] <wxl> hold on and i'
[17:11] <wxl> ll fix that
[17:12] <wxl> i'd send it to lubuntu-admins, lubuntu-qa and lubuntu-users
[17:12] <wxl> the former two are on launchpad
[17:12] <wxl> if you're not a member of qa, don't sweat it, i'll approve
[17:14] <wxl> gsilva: we should add to the pre/post todo to make sure we have access to everything :)
[17:14] <wxl> krismaguire: what's your twitter handle?
[17:14] <wxl> argh
[17:14] <wxl> s/twitter/reddit/
[17:14] <krismaguire> LubuntuOfficial
[17:15] <wxl> krismaguire: reddit
[17:15] <krismaguire> I don't have a reddit
[17:15] <wxl> would you like to get one then? :)
[17:16] <wxl> so question, krismaguire: are you now the official comms guy or are you temporary or what? i'm so confused :)
[17:17] <krismaguire> I'm temporary!
[17:17] <wxl> ah k
[17:17]  * wxl sighs
[17:17] <wxl> so silverlion's coming back at some point?
[17:18] <krismaguire> Hopefully
[17:18] <krismaguire> Why the sigh matey?
[17:18] <wxl> oh well, we'll figure it out
[17:18] <wxl> i just wish we had someone who could just stay ;)
[17:18] <melodie> bbl
[17:19] <krismaguire> Reddit handle: krismaguire
[17:19] <krismaguire> This is my first ever release, it's mental!
[17:20] <wxl> hahahahah
[17:21] <wxl> you've been invitedcx to moderate the subreddit krismaguire
[17:21] <ianorlin> is pre release insomnia a thing cause I had trouble getting up
[17:21] <wxl> hahahahha
[17:21] <wxl> i wanted to lay in bed all day
[17:21] <wxl> but that's because my dog is so darn cuddly and cute :)
[17:21] <wxl> …and i was cold
[17:22] <wxl> although i did stay up way too late working on bugs
[17:23] <ianorlin> I mean I was up until 2 am which is quite late for me
[17:23] <wxl> yeah that's later than i go
[17:23] <wxl> i'm usually out by 10-11
[17:24] <ianorlin> me too
[17:26] <krismaguire> Well, it could have went worse
[17:27] <wxl> heheh
[17:27] <krismaguire> plus I now have a reddit account :D
[17:27] <wxl> krismaguire: about that, nice knowing you
[17:28] <wxl> seriously reddit is even worse than facebook when it comes to time suck
[17:28] <wxl> the time waster subreddits are just chock full of wonderful memes
[17:28] <wxl> and the comments are often better
[17:28] <wxl> and the serious subreddits have LOTS of great content
[17:32] <krismaguire> Yeah I read a lot of reddit for my vaping stuff :)
[18:54] <Unit193> http://lubuntu.net - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.10/release/lubuntu-15.04-desktop-i386.iso  notice a problem there?
[18:56] <wxl> yeah well none of us have access to lubuntu.net Unit193
[18:57] <Unit193> Mhmm, still.
[18:58] <melodie> hi
[18:59] <melodie> wxl the issue I had met came from the openbox testing version from a ppa (lubuntu-devel) which I was testing
[18:59] <melodie> I sent a mail to the developer looking after this package, as he is also the maintainer of Openbox for the Debian repositories
[19:00] <wxl> okie dokie melodie
[19:01] <melodie> in the same shot I found one more bug in the package which lead me to be locked out during a moment
[19:01] <melodie> so it was not that fast to find
[19:02] <wxl> a nice reminder to always check version numbers first :)
[19:04] <melodie> wxl not at all
[19:05] <melodie> I have installed that ppa on purpose because it contains a long wished new feature
[19:05] <melodie> this is about testing
[19:05] <wxl> right, but if we would have checked numbers between us we would have figured out where the problem lied
[19:05] <melodie> the glitch I found is the reverse depends, it misses to automatically uninstaller libobrender and another package
[19:06] <melodie> you could not know I was using an openbox testing version
[19:06] <melodie> no harm done
[19:06] <wxl> we would not have matching versions
[19:06] <wxl> at which point you could apt-cache policy and see where yours came from
[19:07] <melodie> never mind as long as I could finally find what it was about
[19:07] <melodie> I also had to fix one of my virtualboxes, as it is always messy
[19:07] <melodie> since it's not free software! :-(
[19:10] <wxl> that's what kvm is for
[19:22] <melodie> not all my machines are kvm capable
[19:23] <melodie> I think only one perhaps, and since I got it I haven't learned how to use it
[19:23] <Unit193> KVM is the best way to test UEFI.
[19:24] <wxl> yeah i just discovered that
[19:24] <melodie> Unit193 none of my machines has uefi
[19:24] <melodie> hi btw :)
[19:24] <Unit193> ...Hence why it's the best way to test it, exactly my point...
[19:24] <Unit193> Hello.
[19:25] <melodie> kvm capability, is in the cpuinfo flags, right?
[19:26] <melodie> intel i5 in this one
[19:26] <melodie> kvm or not kvm ? :)
[19:36] <ianorlin> heck my 5 year old laptop can't run kvm on it
[19:36] <Unit193> `kvm-ok`
[19:53] <silverlion> o/ wxl
[20:10] <wxl> silverlion: sorry i dsiappeared
[20:10] <silverlion> all that matters is that you rejoined
[20:10] <wxl> hehehe
[20:10] <wxl> so any idea about lubuntu.net
[20:10] <silverlion> and regarding your question about lubuntu.net -> phillw has access
[20:10] <wxl> ?
[20:10] <wxl> ah ok
[20:22] <melodie> good night
[20:23]  * phillw don't ban me, wxl asked me here
[20:23] <wxl> hai phillw :)
[20:23]  * silverlion would not dare that ;)
[20:23] <wxl> phillw: do you have access to lubuntu.net or know who does?
[20:24] <Unit193> Mario Behling, wxl.
[20:24] <wxl> Unit193: and no one else?
[20:25] <phillw> wxl: i think Julien has, but is under mario - this has been a bone of contention in the past
[20:25] <wxl> sigghhhhhh
[20:25] <wxl> how do i contact mario?
[20:25] <phillw> +1
[20:25] <phillw> via Julien
[20:26] <wxl> alright well i sent him a facebook message so he'll be in touch soon
[20:26] <phillw> do not hold your breath
[20:36] <wxl> hahah ok
[20:37] <silverlion> wxl: fyi: Julien is on Facebook atm
[20:44] <phillw> silverlion: i said hello but he is on cell phone
[20:45] <silverlion> copy that
[21:38] <wxl> gsilva: not so far :)
[21:38] <gsilva> cool then
[22:18] <phillw> gsilva: did release day go okay with you?
[22:18] <wxl> phillw: he did awesome!
[22:20] <phillw> wxl: good. I saw the notification from Kris on fail book, so I guessed we had got that far :)
[22:20] <gsilva> Hi phillw
[22:20] <gsilva> Jesus, man, you just got off the plane :D
[22:20] <gsilva> Yes, it went smoothly
[22:20] <phillw> gsilva: aren't you glad we set up the steps :D
[22:21] <gsilva> indeed, that was the best thing ever
[22:21] <gsilva> and I actually mentioned it in my blog
[22:22] <phillw> now put in for membership, people like wxl will write horrible stuff on your testimonial are :P But, to pull off a release with all the pre-work you did? Should be a no brainer for the comittee
[22:23] <wxl> well i can't give gsilva a testimonitla phillw
[22:23] <wxl> it's a conflict of itnerest
[22:24] <wxl> i *CAN* act on the committee and give a +1
[22:24] <wxl> which i'll inevitably Ddo :)
[22:24] <phillw> you can and it is not, just you cannot give a +1
[22:24] <wxl> i'm a membership board member silly!
[22:25] <phillw> your testimonial is worth far more than one +1 :D
[22:25] <phillw> wxl: indeed, so you must go +0.... does not and will never stop a testimonial.
[22:26] <gsilva> Why you can't, wxl ?
[22:26] <phillw> gsilva: neoptism
[22:28] <phillw> he can either write honest testimonial or can lye and vote for you as idependent... I would rather him write testimonial and not vote.
[22:29] <wxl> actually i think i may already have
[22:29] <wxl> let's see the wiki
[22:31] <phillw> walter, if the lad has done the release TODO stuff, he has earned his badge.... I'll go nag Julien to back that up.
[22:32] <phillw> he did all the pre-prep a couple of months ago and was aware to nag release managers to keep two of the pages updated.
[22:33] <gsilva> Guys, if you think this is not the best time, then I can wait
[22:34] <gsilva> Besides, the manual is also starting and there might be something out of it
[22:34] <wxl> gsilva: i shall determine the best course of action. i agree with phillw that there's no reason why you shouldn't get approved. start the process and get your name on the list.
[22:35] <phillw> gsilva: indeed, and i will help. We await he from above to decide if we go for Qt in 15.10
[22:36] <phillw> tech board rules mean if we want a 16.04 Qt edition, we must have a 15.10 Qt edition
[22:37] <gsilva> Yet, if this is not the best time, then I can wait, no worries :) I'm not here for the membership only :P
[22:37] <phillw> gsilva: you go for it... you are worthy of it.
[22:37] <wxl> don't wait
[22:37] <wxl> just do it
[22:37] <wxl> it doesn't take much but the waiting sure takes a while
[22:37] <wxl> my meeting is the 2200 one fwiw
[22:38] <phillw> i did mine back to front... got ubuntu membership before ubuntu beginners team one :P
[22:39] <phillw> but, y'all know me... never one for the rules :D
[22:40] <gsilva> Okay, I will apply soon then
[22:40] <gsilva> And hope for the best :)
[22:40] <wxl> i don't think there's a reason to hope
[22:40] <wxl> it's pretty much for sure
[22:40] <wxl> regarding time, i would apply now
[22:40] <wxl> at least get your name on the list
[22:41] <phillw> gsilva: it's pretty much a given, with the fact of the work you can show you have done.
[22:41] <wxl> sign up here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[22:41] <wxl> next 2200 meeting is may 22
[22:42] <wxl> Kamilion: if you want a challenge, figure this one out https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1446723
[22:42] <phillw> just keep your wiki up to date and they will kiss your pretty little ass and go 'welcome' (Not too sure if I'm allowed to say that, but you get the general idea)
[22:44] <phillw> wxl: not seen and did new install of 15.04 in malta onto a laptop
[22:45] <gsilva> Okay, I'll go through the process of application
[22:48] <phillw> I know my little vote does not count for a lot in the great scheme of things, but you will get a good write up off me.
[22:51] <phillw> go ask julian and ianorlin to also write testimonials for you and you have it nailed for next meeting. It has and remains a great pleasure to work with you on an area that is often pretty much the poor house of a flavour. You have brought life back into it, and for that I thank you.
[22:51] <gsilva> Thank you phillw :)
[22:52] <gsilva> I applied for membership. Feel free to write something over there https://wiki.ubuntu.com/gsilva (valid to you, ianorlin, Unit193)
[22:52] <gsilva> and perhaps some other guys I'm missing
[22:52] <Kamilion> hm
[22:53] <Kamilion> wxl: Out of scope; he says he's not running lubuntu.
[22:53]  * phillw bends Kamilion over pulls his trousers down and spanks him until he writes something nice...... 
[22:53] <Kamilion> seems to be a polkit issue though
[22:53] <gsilva> haha
[22:54] <Kamilion> so if we resolve the underlying problem with polkit, I'm betting it'll probably work again
[22:54] <Kamilion> phillw: Sorry, no amount of spankings can get me to write with my hands. not even the UPS guy is that lucky.
[22:54] <phillw> interaction with polkit is being a real bitch :/
[22:54] <Kamilion> mind if I run it through the inkjet? ^_^
[22:55] <Kamilion> of course it is; setting policy is never easy
[22:55] <Kamilion> everyone wants their sandwich made a different way
[22:55]  * Kamilion glares at the no-crusts people using VIM
[22:55] <phillw> Kamilion: i'll have ham and cheese.... what a good idea!
[22:56] <Kamilion> salted turkey with mayo on white.
[22:56] <Kamilion> so thanksgivingly delicious.
[22:57] <Kamilion> wxl: I serously don't think we can help this guy, when he says things like "Maybe this comes because I'm restricting the system and session bus of D-Bus. "
[22:57] <phillw> most likely going to be mature cheddar cheese and crunchy pea nut butter here :)
[22:57] <Kamilion> is LXDM even still supported?
[22:58] <ianorlin> we don't ship it but it is in repos
[22:58] <ianorlin> I don't think there has been much upstream development on it
[22:58] <Kamilion> so the answer would be 'mostly no' then
[22:58] <phillw> 'much' ... aka zilch
[22:59] <Kamilion> phillw: there's been a couple of upstream merges
[22:59] <Kamilion> notably, messing with the battery icon in the system tray.
[22:59] <phillw> it's not a won't fix, it is a never going to happen fix
[22:59] <Kamilion> unit and wxl were beating on that
[23:00] <Kamilion> nah, if sworddragon submits a patch that fixes it, it has a high chance of getting accepted for 15.10, or a SRU later in 15.04's life.
[23:00] <phillw> Kamilion: oh, pedantics,
[23:01] <Kamilion> [16:01:46] NickServ [NickServ@services.]: sworddragon is not registered.
[23:01] <Kamilion> Dangit.
[23:01] <phillw> 15.04 only lives for 9 months.... not going to have that many SRU's !
[23:01] <Kamilion> and no contact info on his LP
[23:01] <Kamilion> phillw: it BETTER
[23:01] <Kamilion> we have a 15.10 release to get 'right'
[23:01] <Kamilion> and then a short jump to LTS 16.04
[23:02] <Kamilion> there's also a number of respins that periodically update their ISOs when packages change
[23:02] <phillw> Kamilion: we have 15.10 to decide if Qt or not Qt .... that is the only Qt
[23:02] <Kamilion> For example, the xen XSA security issues, there was a SRU for, and I had to rebuild my ISOs
[23:03] <Kamilion> phillw: BS; if they can't coexist, someone's a poor programmer who needs to be taught better ;)
[23:03] <ianorlin> um lxde session and lxqt can coexsit but there julien got into some wierd config file problem
[23:03] <Kamilion> (offense not intended)
[23:04] <Kamilion> is Julien doing most of the dev on lxqt himself?
[23:04] <Kamilion> or is that occuring upstream from us?
[23:04] <ianorlin> upstream
[23:04] <Kamilion> in jessie?
[23:04] <ianorlin> no in upstream lxqt
[23:04] <ianorlin> jessie won't have lxqt
[23:05] <ianorlin> and stuff getting frozen for jessie meant hard to add new packages in and stuff but I am not too sure of these conversations
[23:05] <phillw> Kamilion: 16.04 comes out and I have to respin the blooming non-pae kernel again ...... what 'fun' that is as one of the teams wants the 'live cd' version of what ever kernel it is .... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/non-pae
[23:05] <Kamilion> and is lxqt part of the lxde project, or is it a spinoff from another developer?
[23:05] <phillw> Kamilion: you want to do it next time?
[23:05] <ianorlin> it merged with lxde and razor-qt
[23:05] <Kamilion> phillw: I can't.
[23:06] <Kamilion> I don't have a single piece of non-pae hardware
[23:06] <Kamilion> so even if I could build it; I couldn't *test* it
[23:06] <Kamilion> but I'm more than happy to help!
[23:07] <Kamilion> I have nothing older than a 2004 pentium 4 "d", from just before the 'core' stuff coming out
[23:07] <phillw> nor do i... it builds on a VM
[23:07] <Kamilion> and even that's 64bit
[23:07] <Kamilion> although it doesn't have HVM support
[23:08] <ianorlin> I have some pentium 4s but I don't want to use them because they are power hogs
[23:08] <phillw> but, as last one was okay, i keep a little VM just for this task.
[23:08]  * Kamilion thinks
[23:08] <Kamilion> ianorlin: what I'm saying is, all of my CPUs are AMD64 instruction set, and wouldn't require PAE in any case.
[23:08] <Kamilion> I have no ia32s left
[23:09] <Kamilion> not even my oldest laptop (A dell latitude D820) is 32bit...
[23:09] <Kamilion> so I can verify the kernel boots on newer hw
[23:09] <Kamilion> but I'll be unable to verify the PAE or fakePAE functionality
[23:09] <ianorlin> Kamilion: understood
[23:09] <Kamilion> thus; gather me some testerfolks with PAE-required, and I'll work with 'em.
[23:09] <phillw> I said I'd only do it each LTS !
[23:10] <Kamilion> phillw: if you can document the previous process; I can automate it to a degree.
[23:10] <Kamilion> and I don't mean 'fancy documentation'
[23:10] <Kamilion> just a plaintext file is fine
[23:11] <Kamilion> and I can read typo fine
[23:11] <ianorlin> unless we can convince some canonical to support the non-pae iot things  that don't have pae like edison and other stuff to get a nonpae because they seem to like new and shiny
[23:11] <Kamilion> no need
[23:11] <Kamilion> anything like that is gonna need custom images built anyway
[23:11] <Kamilion> edison has no SATA/IDE
[23:11] <phillw> Kamilion: I think i need an extra bit, which melodie can tell me so you can do  a live CD image, unless they have now fixed that bug......
[23:11] <Kamilion> all you get is the 4GB eMMC chip, which the MTD driver of the kernel will use
[23:12] <Kamilion> so you get /dev/mmc0p1
[23:12] <Kamilion> and friends
[23:12] <Kamilion> and I agree, there are a number of SoCs that don't include PAE support
[23:12] <Kamilion> but
[23:12] <phillw> but, that is two release cycles away :D
[23:12] <Kamilion> NONE OF THEM SUPPORT MORE THAN 4GB OF RAM FOR PAE SUPPORT TO EVEN MAKE *SENSE*
[23:13] <Kamilion> Page Address Extensions are supposed to be allowing older 32bit only chips to access 48bit memory addresses so they can talk to wither 64GB or 128GB (depending on hw implimentation)
[23:14] <phillw> We can do a non -pae kernel, the extra bits are bit of a pain (aufs, from memory)
[23:14] <Kamilion> I thought we use unionfs now, not aufs
[23:14] <phillw> no idea.... last kernel was the 14.04 one
[23:14] <Kamilion> hehe
[23:15] <Kamilion> well, no worries
[23:15] <Kamilion> I agree with the intent
[23:15] <Kamilion> i486 is still around on SoCs too, but we don't support that anymore either.
[23:15] <phillw> I only build the bloody thing, who mentioned support? :P
[23:15] <Kamilion> so far as I know, our minimum requirements are i686
[23:15] <Kamilion> Pentium Pro and above
[23:16] <Kamilion> i586 "Pentium MMX" need not apply
[23:16] <Kamilion> but anybody on a 200Mhz 486 core is gonna be hurtin' anyway
[23:17] <phillw> i did ask about 486 586, I'd have to re compile the entire database of installed applications and maintain them......
[23:17] <Kamilion> IIRC we've also totally lost i386 support entirely
[23:17] <phillw> a bridge too far for me
[23:17] <Kamilion> the linux kernel requires at least a 486DX series now, I think
[23:18] <Kamilion> aye; and there's a bunch of projects that still cater to that
[23:18] <Kamilion> stuff like tinycorelinux
[23:18] <Kamilion> where they've REALLY trimmed the fat
[23:19] <phillw> or 10.04 lubuntu ... just do not shout about it. That was as we became official
[23:19] <Kamilion> Honestly though? When you can buy a quad core ARM for $40...
[23:19] <Kamilion> http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G141578608433
[23:20] <Kamilion> You'll save more money in *power* by spending a few bucks on one of these once; and it will outperform or perform on par with any of the non-pae CPUs
[23:20] <Kamilion> which, last I knew, peaked out somewhere around 800Mhz
[23:21] <Kamilion> there might be an odd celeron chip that hit 1Ghz or 1.2Ghz; but that would be a rare expectation
[23:21] <Kamilion> most of the pentium 3 series was centered in the 500-900Mhz range
[23:21] <Kamilion> pentium4s were the arch that finally hit 2Ghz
[23:21] <wxl> Kamilion: yeah i kind of meant it as a joke :)
[23:21] <Kamilion> oh.
[23:22] <Kamilion> wxl: Well, I think he can be helped eventually; just not in time for release
[23:22] <Kamilion> to his credit, he did raise the issues in febuary
[23:22] <wxl> Kamilion: oh well release is over, so :)
[23:22] <Kamilion> so it was kind of ball-in-our-court anyway
[23:22] <Kamilion> oh?
[23:22] <wxl> yeah mostly i'm drowning in bugs
[23:23] <Kamilion> it's not the 26th yet, is it?
[23:23] <wxl> 23rd my friend
[23:23] <wxl> didn't you see the post on the mailing list?
[23:23] <Kamilion> [16:23:53] <Kamilion> oh?
[23:23] <Kamilion> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule
[23:23] <Kamilion> I could have SWORN that said 26th
[23:23] <Kamilion> but I'm wrong.
[23:25] <Kamilion> ... uhhh, what the heck
[23:25] <Kamilion> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.10/release/lubuntu-15.04-desktop-amd64.iso   <--- wut
[23:25]  * ianorlin doesn't know either
[23:26] <ianorlin> Kamilion: understood
[23:26] <ianorlin> oops
[23:26] <ianorlin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1445254/+attachment/4377882/+files/2015-04-16-153442_1366x768_scrot.png
[23:26] <Kamilion> that is somewhat correct
[23:26] <Kamilion> .mod files are amiga music files.
[23:26] <Kamilion> I used to create them.
[23:27] <Kamilion> why isn't it checking the MIME type though?
[23:27] <Kamilion> it should have failed the check to read an amiga module header
[23:28] <ianorlin> yeah mim type show it as executable
[23:28] <wxl> !isitout
[23:28] <Kamilion> too late, already downloaded it
[23:28]  * Kamilion shoves his HTTP downloads into the torrent client
[23:29] <wxl> wait where is that link at?
[23:29] <Kamilion> lubuntu.net's homepage.
[23:29] <wxl> oh
[23:29] <wxl> well
[23:29] <wxl> no one except mario has access to it
[23:29] <wxl> anmd honestly i've never spoke to him
[23:29] <wxl> even when i tried
[23:30] <Kamilion> it's working, so I'm not complaining, just pointing out, "... wut?!"
[23:32] <Kamilion> ... oh. So thaaaat's what broke my ceph.
[23:32] <Kamilion> Thanks, openstack. *sigh*
[23:32] <wxl> hm?
[23:37] <phillw> Kamilion: serves you right for not running centos
[23:40] <Kamilion> Trading one headache for another? I'll pass, thanks.
[23:40] <Kamilion> I want my PPAs, damnit.
[23:41] <Kamilion> i do NOT want to deal with rpmforge, EPEL, REMI, ATrpms, Webtatic, or anything like that. If I wanted that kind of workflow, I'd be installing packages from OMGUBUNTU.co.uk
[23:42] <Kamilion> I despise RPM with a burning hatred
[23:42] <Kamilion> the rest of RHEL/Cent, I'm indifferent to.