=== zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [06:07] morning everyone [07:09] Morning all [07:37] morning === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === willcooke is now known as francooke === francooke is now known as JupiterWhistles === JamesTait is now known as Guest73857 === JupiterWhistles is now known as willcooke [08:34] Good morning all; happy English Language Day! :-D [08:35] * Guest73857 eyes his nick suspiciously. === JamesTai1 is now known as JamesTait [08:46] good old Guest73857 [08:46] i miss Guest73857 [08:50] happy ubuntu release day [08:50] but i only just downloaded the beta! :'( [08:52] just an apt upgrade away [08:56] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/digital-media/11556838/UK-set-top-box-maker-Pace-bought-by-US-firm-for-1.4bn.html [08:56] the register will probably have a souvenir pull out guide [08:59] Wow, Pace [08:59] I had one of the ISA modem cards. [08:59] Lovely bit of kit, none of your Winmodem rubbish [09:04] wow. metro are publishing "news" that are actually 8 month old reddit posts now [09:04] not even new ones [09:04] http://metro.co.uk/2015/04/21/is-this-the-ghost-of-a-samurai-soldier-standing-behind-a-little-girl-5160401/ [09:04] turns out to be this http://www.reddit.com/r/UnexplainedPhotos/comments/2e60an/disturbing_photo_feedback_xpost_from_rghosts/ [09:12] churnalism? [09:13] also, its just a person standing behind her [09:14] which you can see more clearly inthe reddit link that they refer to but don't link to [09:14] he is wearing a light blue shirt [09:22] morning boys and girls. [09:37] good morning all. does anyone know the release time for 15.04? [09:38] afternoon UK time usually [09:38] there is no set moment. [09:38] brilliant, thank you for clearing that up :) [09:39] note: usually doesn't mean that it's guaranteed. [09:39] for all I know it could be five minutes away [09:39] make sense [09:39] * popey looks over at the release team [09:39] they don't seem too stressed :) [09:39] lol [09:39] beer at 17:30 apparently [09:39] so sometime before then [09:39] sounds good idea [09:42] popey: you off to Ye Olde London Town Today? [10:31] davmor2: am here, yes [10:32] popey: \o/ tell them not to get too drunk there is more work tomorrow [10:32] heh [10:44] !isitoutyet [10:44] Did I SAY it was out? Maybe if you would LISTEN once in a while this relationship would be healthier. [10:44] !isitinyet [10:44] Boo! Opportunity missed there [10:51] filthy. [11:09] it is not out === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [12:38] So I got this tune stuck in my head https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fy2indWyr74 [12:38] so. w-series name speculation? [12:39] wistful wombat! [12:39] wasclin' wabbit [12:40] wary winkle [12:40] Rather more overt versions of Onanistic Ocelot? [12:40] wonderful wizbit [12:40] whopping willow [12:40] Whomping [12:40] whomping even [12:40] I think whoever manages JKR would whomp Canonicals butt for that [12:41] worried whippet === zmoylan-pi is now known as deckchair_turpin [12:42] wobbly weeble is my favourite though [12:43] * awilkins looks at list of South African mammals [12:43] "Waterbuck" [12:43] when they get to x the animals are limited a little [12:45] deckchair_turpin: get off my lawn with your deckchair [12:45] * deckchair_turpin hums abide with me [12:46] * popey thought that was someone else for a moment then. [12:46] annoying someone else in another channel... :-) === deckchair_turpin is now known as zmoylan-pi [12:59] Xamarin is already taken [13:18] * awilkins hears Transmission go *ding* [13:19] !isitout [13:19] Did I SAY it was out? Maybe if you would LISTEN once in a while this relationship would be healthier. [13:20] Astonishing how many people still use Microtorrent [13:21] I heard it had gone all bloaty bloatware [13:22] * Myrtti goes back to playing Cities Skylines while waiting for 15.04 to happen [13:30] it is not out [13:33] do i need to chroot sftp if users can't login with ssh? [13:35] i think so [13:38] I remember a few years ago, you'd get kicked for saying it was out before it was officially announced, that still the case? [13:41] 4od app sucks [13:41] whatever its called noawadays [13:41] all4 [13:42] they make you feel dirty and desperate for wanting to watch a programme [13:42] +1 [13:48] what is the best option to share a folder from linux to windows? [13:49] Depends how much sophistication you're after ? [13:49] and desktop or cli [13:49] I want to have a git repo on test server, shared to windows so it can be opened in editor and edited [13:49] If I just want to share a folder quickly from desktop I just rick click and share it [13:50] all the commite etc will happen on the server, literally just to edit files [13:50] and its server cli -> win desktop [13:50] Well, you could [13:50] dogmatic69: a usb pendrive? [13:50] I do that via sftp myself, use winscp on my laptop, open with Sublime and Ctrl S and winscp saves it back [13:50] Does "Best" mean easiest? [13:50] smb ? [13:50] same lan? [13:50] Easiest is SMB / CIFS [13:51] best means easy / reliable [13:51] I'm still going with usb pendrive [13:51] depends on the user [13:51] All the software available in the repo or pre-installed, nothing to install on Winders box [13:51] lol [13:51] its php [13:51] owncloud? [13:51] Syncthing [13:51] Syncthing : like Dropbox but the NSA doesn't get a lookin [13:52] currently its the other way round, the repo is on windows and shared to linux but that is lame [13:53] Why's that lame? Do you want your website clients to be able to access your full source code history? [13:53] its dev server [13:53] windows keeps locking files and breaks ability to edit from the server / delete etc. [13:53] things like composer die because the files are locked [13:53] dogmatic69: right click on the, local network share. failing that, dropbox, sycnthing, bittorrent sync, USB PENDRIVE!!!!! [13:54] right click on the folder that should of read [13:54] davmor2: usb wont work because its a virtual linux machine... [13:54] dogmatic69: most vms allow a shared folder between host and client [13:55] the host is a windows client, not the desktop used. [13:55] windows server sorry... [13:56] dogmatic69: yeap still most vm's as in the software that the client runs in can share a folder with the host [13:56] the client can then access it [13:56] davmor2: the point is that nobody is using the windows server hosting the linux server so it would be pointless to share anything there. [13:56] I will try out smb [13:58] dogmatic69: it's a server just drop the folder in /home/ and ssh it [14:39] Does Ubuntu support bcache + full disk encryption in the installer yet? [14:39] hi, are we expecting 15.04 to be out this week [14:39] ? [14:43] !isitoutyet [14:43] Did I SAY it was out? Maybe if you would LISTEN once in a while this relationship would be healthier. [14:43] Awww [14:45] I don't think that's a very nice response [14:45] zleap, suppose to be today. [14:46] ChunkzZ: thanks, i did see something about it being some time soon [14:46] ok will keep an eye out for news [15:16] directhex_: as for w release I'm still hanging in there for Wheres Wally [15:17] woeful wendigo [15:17] winter walrus! [15:22] Wet Wombat [15:31] wiotous wossy? [15:32] (ref: jonathan ross) [15:32] are we landing today or next thursday? [15:34] looks like it's due today according to the releaseschedule page [15:41] diddledan: it's released already [15:41] !isitoutyet [15:41] YES! ITS OUT: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2015-April/000195.html [15:41] oh so it is [15:42] diddledan: told you [15:42] smartass :-p [15:43] diddledan: no I can just read email headers :P [15:43] I've not checked my email yet today [15:43] head in the sand :-0p [15:43] Is it out yet? [15:44] lol [15:44] not just me, see? [15:44] TheOpenSourcerer: yes [15:44] Not been on here for *ages*... [15:44] Is it? Oooh? [15:44] Must try upgrading at the weekend then. [15:45] Talking of the weekend... popey, czajkowski, AlanBell, shall we meet at the Cobbett for a pre-beerex snort? [15:45] yes [15:46] \o/ [15:46] 5pm (ish) [15:46] popey: man your arm must hurt from all that twisting [15:47] hah [15:47] TheOpenSourcerer: ya [15:47] lol [15:47] davmor2: I'm impressed how long popey held out on that one [15:48] i am in two meetings too [15:48] zo/ [15:48] oops [15:48] \o/ [15:49] zo/ is walking like an egyptian? [15:50] diddledan: no it's more he has this psychic net awareness for the words beer and popey [15:50] :-) [15:54] \o/ [15:59] What's the go-to for lightweight Ubuntu for old laptops? MATE, Xub, or Lub? [15:59] awilkins: depends on usage and age. x or l though [16:00] TheOpenSourcerer: shall pass it onto Jon [16:00] Age? Of the hardware? [16:01] awilkins: yeah [16:01] For a moment thought "Age of the user... and whether they are addicted to Windows or not" [16:04] awilkins: MATE! [16:05] MATE for Winders addicts or for ageing hardware? [16:05] or both? [16:05] ttfn [16:06] both [16:06] for windows addicts unity is best, since they are used to bad user interfaces already :P [16:06] OOh, No.1 reason to upgrade to Vivid : the annoying black window bug [16:06] ali1234, I actually like Unity [16:06] Esp. the HUDmenu [16:07] yeah my dad loves it too [16:07] he doesn't use HUD menu though, he doesn't even use normal menus [16:08] "rationalized 3rd party library managers" [16:08] Wootage! [16:09] Does that mean the packaged versions of 3rd party libmans behave like this, or ones you install from source etc do? [16:09] context? [16:09] "We also rationalized 3rd party library managers so that they all behave the same and don't overwrite and/or mix with system libraries. Developers don't have to worry about messing up up their installation if they want to install a pipy, npm, rubygem libraries." [16:10] oh. well python has been fixed in that regard since at least 14.04 [16:10] for both pip and source installs [16:10] Mentioned in the context of Ubuntu Make [16:10] Which sounds cool [16:10] Because it can install Eclipse [16:10] oh ubuntu make? that's just a script that downloads things [16:11] Has an official mention in relnotes! [16:11] the way that works is by putting everything in folders in your home dir [16:11] at least that's how it used to work [16:11] this is how I usually use Eclipse [16:11] Install the packaged version for the deps [16:11] then it edits your .bashrc and adds paths [16:12] And then install the newest one by downloading and unpacking the tarball [16:12] it does install some things from packages, when it can [16:12] yeah dependencies mainly :) [16:13] Yarrrg, Can't believe that the packaged version of Eclipse for vivid is STILL 3.8.1 [16:13] i found ubuntu-make to be a bit pointless, but i only tried it with android [16:13] !isitoutyet [16:13] YES! ITS OUT: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2015-April/000195.html [16:13] awilkins: it is an easy way for devs to get the tools they need to develop for various platforms. so ubuntu-make android would grab all the dev tools you need for android etc [16:13] basically all it does is download the sdk installer and unpack it [16:13] you still have to go through the whole process of opening the SDK manager and downloading all the SDK components [16:15] I think it's time for a fresh install TBH [16:15] also i find it very odd that umake doesn't appear to be able to install the ubuntu sdk [16:15] My /home partition is a bit cloggy [16:15] And I have to encrypt everything because our new security dude says so [16:16] What I want ; full disk encryption + bcache [16:16] Anyone know of a guide that combines both or am I going to have to write one? [16:18] No new release found ;___; [16:18] http://releases.ubuntu.com/15.04/ [16:20] myrtti@eeyore:~$ sudo do-release-upgradeChecking for a new Ubuntu release [16:20] No new release found [16:20] I'm just whining [16:20] nevermind me [16:21] diddledan: heyup, are you a drupal fiend? my mate has this site he dev'd on his Windows box at home, but on throwing it up on his hosting - if you log in, his menu disappears XD [16:21] Myrtti, are you on 14.04? [16:22] funky [16:22] diddledan: works perfectly on my bytemark VPS however [16:22] is this the admin menu? [16:22] case sensitive filename issues? [16:22] along the top of the page? [16:22] awilkins: nope [16:22] nah not the very top, just his own navigation menu that's part of the page [16:23] ... not that I know of... [16:23] or AM I [16:23] lsb_release -d [16:23] no I'm not. [16:23] all the cool kids run LTS [16:23] I'm running LTS. But since I have to reinstall anyway... [16:23] ok. possibly the "block" got messed up or removed - try as adming going to "structure->blocks" and see if the menu block isw in the right place [16:24] "for all evilness requirements, just add ming" [16:24] diddledan: ty sir, shall pass that on. would it be of any use if you could take a quick glance at the page? or would it require login and all that jazz to really understand? [16:25] I can have a nosey, but probably can't tell without being admin [16:25] that can be easily arranged ^_^ [16:25] how is the customization implemented? [16:25] yay new ubuntu \o/ [16:25] is it a theme, plugin, or just hacked wp core? [16:26] ali1234: it's drupal :-p [16:26] oh snap [16:26] then i have no idea [16:26] for some reason i read that as wordpress [16:26] teehee [16:26] wishful thinking~? [16:26] yeah probably [16:27] i did try to get this mate to buy a wordpress theme since i understand setting it up [16:27] i don't understand how wordpress got "most feared technology" over drupal and joomla [16:27] but he enjoys learning web dev so he felt like giving it a stab himself ;) despite my warning of issues... [16:27] maybe because nobody uses drupal and joomla [16:28] I think because drupal and joomla are actually difficult to work people tend to leave it to professionals whereas they feel that they can fiddle with wordpress and thus more people hate it because they don't understand enough about what they're doing and therefore it crashes around their earsw [16:29] :D [16:29] drupal devs seem to be paid more than an equivalent wordpress dev :-( [16:29] that is largely because drupal is designed to maximize consultancy fees [16:31] this mate had the idea that wordpress might end up limiting him, whereas drupal might be capable of it all [16:31] ironically drupal is capable of almost nothing out of the box [16:31] i tried to suggest his inexperience might mean security woes or drama in the future :P [16:31] it's basically a platform that can be used to sell extensions that do what the client wants [16:32] well done:-) [16:32] hmm my Nexus 4 is offering me android 5.1 as of last night [16:32] ooh [16:32] don't upgrade, 5.1 is a lemon [16:33] lemon sherbert? [16:33] (that's a dessert, right? :-p) [16:34] to be honest as directhex_ once described it, android has been going all Windows on me since i installed 5.0 anyway [16:34] normally i do a factory reset for new versions, but i didn't so far and have been enjoying all kinds of quirks [16:34] you already have 5.0? well, 5.1 isn't really any worse [16:34] moop? [16:34] might as well upgrade then [16:34] directhex_: android as a flakey Windows going wrong as time goes on :> [16:34] heh yeah [16:34] well, it does! [16:35] win98! [16:35] ctrl+alt+del? [16:35] unlike win98 you can't wipe and reinstall to fix it [16:35] you have to flash back to an unsupported and insecure image, or buy a new phone [16:35] http://www.windowscentral.com/sites/wpcentral.com/files/postimages/15741/lumia900win98.png [16:41] heh, linux voice june arrived today - their headline article is misnamed: "HACK THE WEB" <-- shouldn't WEB be Planet? [16:42] i would hope so [16:42] missing out on a great reference otherwise [16:42] they got an interview with larry wall. I wonder if perl6 is every going to arrive as a separate entity or if the ideas are just gonna get made into modules and put in the CPAN for perl5 [16:44] the perl6 switch syntax has been in CPAN for perl5 use since almost before perl6 was an idea [16:44] instead of "switch $foo { case 'bar': }" you get "given $foo { when 'bar': }" [16:45] I don't get why they changed it tbh [16:47] keeps you on your toes [16:49] * Myrtti checks the calendar [16:50] diddledan: it's a three stage plan, First the web, then the cars, then the world muhahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! doesn't sound so sinister with that kinda laugh at the end :D [16:52] XD === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [16:54] Myrtti: is it the end of the world yet? [16:55] yup [17:06] I hope that perl error wasn't something that breaks things Badly [17:18] Perl! What error? [17:29] new Ubuntu! [17:30] MartijnVdS: sadly I couldn't get a copypaste of it [17:43] don't you love how politicians like to tell you about the affairs of state but not about the state of their numerous affairs [17:43] :-p [17:43] scandalous! [17:44] you wouldn't catch me having an affair when I'm PM [17:44] (I'm still single, so an affair can't be had until that situation is remedied first :-p) [17:47] ;) [17:52] netflix are pushing 40Gbit/s through freebsd boxes (each box pushing 40Gbit/s [17:52] ref: http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/81017/business-as-usual-bsd-now-86/ [17:56] Costa have emailed me to say they're resetting all passwords! [17:56] *gasp* [17:56] daftykins: has someone hacked them then [17:57] hahahahaha [17:57] We are writing to let you know that we recently identified a small number of Coffee Club card members (around 0.02%) with some unusual activity on their accounts. [17:57] As a result we've conducted a full security review and in the interim, removed the ability to access your Coffee Club account online. [17:57] I like how are minds go straight to they must of been hacked :D [17:58] pretty logical conclusion :> [18:03] yeah [18:08] Ah well,that was smooth and fast upgrade & working with no issues [18:28] someone's nvidia got hosed on the upgrade... [18:28] bah [18:29] didn;t you have to install some PPA to make it work? [18:30] there is a reason why my personal laptop has only nvidia... [18:30] er, Intel [18:31] Myrtti: oh is that so it breaks nearly as often as nvidia and amd? [18:31] as long as you only have one or the other you are pretty much sorted [18:31] :D [18:31] having both is the road to distruction [18:31] it seems [18:31] indeed [18:31] I have only Intel. He has Intel and Nvidia. [18:32] Myrtti: so do I I have no issues [18:32] Myrtti: but then I do fresh installs :D [18:32] davmor2: that's a non-answer [18:32] "I have Cheese. He has Cheese and Ham" "So do I" [18:32] ok. [18:33] my Venn diagram says you have atleast Intel then [18:33] somebody installed nvidia drivers inappropriately! [18:33] * daftykins tuts [18:34] Myrtti: I have a Prime setup so intel and nvidia. I have no issues with it but then I do fresh installs rather than upgrades [18:34] yeah, well, I suggested that we'd try to upgrade first so we don't have to futz around with the Broadcom wifi driver, and see if it works. [18:34] and if it gets hosed beyond all recognition, then do a clean install [18:35] Myrtti: because he has both he can just uninstall the nvidia binary and fall back to the intel and then sort things out then install the nvidia drivers [18:36] Myrtti: it might be that the ppa got disabled during the upgrade and he got reverted to older not working nvidia drivers [18:36] yeah, the problem was for a moment to figure out how to make lightdm not restart every three seconds [18:36] then how to get to grub menu [18:36] then how to get the laptop to use Intel instead of Nvidia [18:37] does that by default with all nvidia packages purged [18:37] it annoys me that the grub menu can't be accessed with some weird keypress that I haven't worked out [18:37] without** [18:37] unless it's one where you can select which to use in the BIOS, but they're in the minority [18:37] diddledan: right shift key [18:37] oh, _RIGHT_ shift!?! [18:38] well why can't it just be any shift?!!!!!1! [18:38] is this on a mac? [18:38] diddledan: just keep tapping at it once the boot splash for the bios/uefi disappears [18:38] diddledan: I don't make up the rules :) [18:38] it's left shift isn;t it? [18:38] and you just hold it down [18:39] the whole point of using shift for this is it doesn't cause a keyboard stuck error when held down, so it requires no delay [18:39] Esc was the magic grub key in this case [18:39] see how difficult it is?! ali1234 uses left shift, davmor2 uses right, and I can't get any damn thing to work [18:39] I've tried esc in the past, too [18:39] and ctrl [18:40] and numerous others [18:40] windows is just as bad at this concept [18:40] USB keyboard? [18:40] or should that be "ubuntu is as bad as windows at this" [18:40] diddledan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode so just shift key it appears [18:41] maybe you don't have it plugged in to the magic USB boot mode port? [18:41] o_O [18:41] or your BIOS has legacy USB support ruining your day [18:41] or you disabled legacy USB support? [18:42] or your keyboard hates you [18:42] yeah could be one of those gaming keyboards that isn't a real HID device [18:44] maybe someone hates you and switched your control and shift key ribbons, but why I'd travel all that way is beyond me ;) [18:45] :D [18:47] I got gremlins you fed the mogwai after midnight didn't you [18:48] I got it, even [18:48] you sussed! [18:50] diddledan: thanks for playing the game it makes it much more fun :) [18:50] oh damn you! now I've losty [18:50] --y [18:51] and also everyone in here has now lost the game! [18:53] i never paid attention to that one :P [18:53] there's no inherent reason to care :D [18:54] that just makes you lose harder :-p [18:55] daftykins: http://bit.ly/1deDV7O [18:57] yeah but childish [18:57] daftykins: but fun [18:57] not to my mind :D [18:58] daftykins: I mean I know diddledan just lost again if he followed the link and who can't follow a random link when it is pasted there for others to see ;) [19:10] * diddledan drools: https://twitter.com/WTFitsKatie/status/589399853110800384 [19:12] nice [19:13] follow-up: https://twitter.com/WTFitsKatie/status/589544002648670208 [19:13] bit excessive on the cable ties though. [19:21] i always wonder what happens when they need to replace a cable [19:21] does someone have to remove every single cable tie from the entire rack and then put them all back again? [19:22] :> [19:22] or do they just let it get messy and then tidy it up when it gets too bad? [19:22] i know which one i would do [19:23] you would definitely think that there must be a better way to achieve what's pictured if they all just need to be like they are [19:25] all nicely labeled too, thats what I like to see [19:26]