[02:53] * DalekSec pokes the nlsthzn. [02:58] * nlsthzn is poked [04:31] ai! [04:34] morning inetpro sorry [04:58] Morning everyone [04:58] hi barrydk [04:58] Hoe gaan dit Kilos [04:59] sjoe [04:59] wel ek lewe so dis een goeie ding === MaNI3 is now known as MaNI [05:57] hi MaNI [05:57] hi nlsthzn [05:57] alo [06:03] hi [06:10] morning all [06:17] hi pieter2627 [06:56] mornings [06:57] hi ThatGraemeGuy [07:00] so everyone excited about the release later today? [07:00] new Kurt Darren CD? [07:01] if i can stay up ill get it in kde flavour nlsthzn [07:01] i wanna see plasma5 [07:02] you might as well just grab the latest daily build iso, there's going to be no significant difference [07:02] I was using it since yesterday... switched back to Gnome 3 [07:03] yup, I am pretty sure the current daily is the release [07:03] ThatGraemeGuy, who is Kurt Darren? [07:03] :p [07:03] I'm not even using *buntu anymore, but don't tell anyone [07:03] use what works for you [07:04] lol [07:04] if my bloody windows 7 wasn't giving me an update error I would be using it right now :/ [07:04] what you using ThatGraemeGuy [07:04] debian or arch [07:04] debian sid [07:04] the fly also [07:05] I get bored avery now and then and try something different [07:05] next time i'll try something else again with one of these new desktop [07:05] desktops [07:05] cinnamon or mate [07:05] ThatGraemeGuy, I couldn't get all my fonts to look nice with sid so I gave up :/ [07:06] or whatever else [07:06] some websites where fugly [07:06] yeah i must say it was a lot of manual fiddlling to get my desktop looking like i wanted [07:07] and now that the freeze is almost over for debian be ready for more breakage with sid [07:07] sid doesn't freeze [07:07] jessie/testing froze [07:08] as far as I can tell there is also a slow down in sid... but I could be mistaken [07:08] haven't noticed any, i still keep getting updates [07:08] they don't filter down to testing during the freeze though [07:09] so when the freeze is lifted, testing get a sudden massive influx of updates and things break sometimes [07:09] ai! [07:09] might be what I am thinking about [07:09] might be less activity in sid because of maintainers focussing more on getting jessie clean though [07:09] but definitely not frozen [07:10] lets hope it stays up regardless :p [07:10] 12 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [07:10] * nlsthzn noticed more speed copying from external hdd via usb 3 in 15.04 [07:10] that's now, and i ran a dist-upgrade yesterday [07:16] thats the joy of linux, freedom of choice [07:17] hi Jacques_Stry [07:17] Morning [07:23] Kilos: about that book/manual thing, they are looking for a dedicated server to have python right? [07:23] yes [07:24] found this yesterday http://www.webafrica.co.za/hosting/ [07:24] is it free? [07:24] Jacques_Stry ^^ [07:24] nope, but cheaper than a dedicated host [07:25] this is the dependencies required - git-core python-dev python-pip libjpeg-dev libpq-dev libxml2-dev libxslt-dev rabbitmq-server redis-server tidy [07:25] actually maybe one of you clever guys can look at ec2 and see if that free for a year thing can be dedicated [07:26] free is good i think for a year, one can get lots done in a year [07:27] inetpro can they do dedicated [07:27] i asked them if it is possible to install django since i see that is needed and got pointed to the vps option to install anything [07:28] Kilos: i don't thing it is dedicated, but as i understand you are in full control, someone might be able to confirm [07:29] thats for you clever peeps to work out [07:29] i dont even understand the need for a dedicated server [07:30] magespawn says that site is super fast [07:30] i think he said a 2g upgrade or install took 3 secs [07:34] since the ec2 is free for a year, one can just get one and try it? [07:35] yes thats what i was thinking [07:36] oh Jacques_Stry you spoke about sql [07:37] or sqlite [07:37] i have a book called mastering sql by martin gruber that you can have [07:38] Kilos: how old is it? [07:39] old i think [07:40] Well they designed it with PostgreSQL but others should be fine [07:41] im trying to find a date [07:41] was my nieces at college [07:43] can you find its age if i give you the isbn number [07:44] should be able to [07:45] isbn : 0-7821-2538-7 [07:46] year 2000 http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-SQL-Martin-Gruber/dp/0782125387 [07:46] so in todays world its very old [07:47] anyway anyone is welcome to it [07:48] i read up to the need for a second table and gave up [07:48] probably, but it is a start if no other choice exists [07:48] 841 pages and a cd [07:53] hi Kilos [07:53] hi pieter2627 [07:53] morning psyatw [07:53] does SQL matter in a world of NoSQL? :) [07:54] hi psyatw [07:55] I went to the Hadoop meetup yesterday [07:55] we have a project that uses sql [07:55] and learned about Apache Drill [07:55] nice [07:55] it's a cool project [08:04] hi TinuvaMac [08:35] aw [08:35] that was someone from our site and i was outside [08:36] i need to organise a whole group of greeter bots [09:26] hi SilverCode [09:26] hi Kilos [09:33] SilverCode have you joined us yet at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za [09:33] i forget who ive asked and who not [09:33] ai! [09:51] wb Jacques_Stry [09:52] pieter2627 wat dink jy van daai ec2 ding [09:54] im looking for more places [10:00] Exchange reset [10:00] ah [10:00] Happening quite often these days [10:00] no matter wb anyway [10:00] :) ty [10:00] hehe [10:01] im working on another host but could take a while, need to get to know him first [10:02] i dont know how well tie the booktype thing to ubuntu work [10:02] maybe ec2 can be done in the meantime [10:03] Kilos: with my limited knowledge, it does not look bad [10:05] yay [10:05] Jacques_Stry can jy hom help asb [10:06] i will need to know the size of a dedicated server needed for it [10:06] if ec2 dont work [10:06] and all the links [10:08] They don't have system requirements listed on the site [10:08] but shouldn't be much [10:10] Maaz define much [10:10] Kilos: Much \Much\, n. 1. A great quantity; a great deal; also, an indefinite quantity; as, you have as much as I. [1913 Webster] He that gathered much had nothing over. --Ex. xvi. 18. [1913 Webster] Note: Muchin this sense can be regarded as an adjective qualifying a word unexpressed, and may, therefore, be modified by as, so, too, very. [1913 Webster] 2. A [10:10] thing uncommon, wonderful, or noticeable; something considerable. [1913 Webster] And [he] t… [10:10] for installation see this page:http://goo.gl/kLgAoP [10:10] ok [10:10] what system does it need to install onto [10:11] dont tell me windows, ill cry [10:12] a VPS with a gig of ram should be enough [10:12] ubuntu, centos, debian, mac os is what it has been tested upon [10:12] aha [10:12] http://goo.gl/kLgAoP this is installation on debian based [10:12] but other distro's supported too [10:12] * pieter2627 has also been thinking why a vps can't work instead [10:13] - what he said [10:15] will these books be for south africans only or anyone? [10:18] Good question - but I guess we targeting SA first [10:19] yeah what i mean is is the education the same all over or do we do different stuff here [10:21] dont forget i was in school 46 years ago [10:22] SA different from other countries [10:23] isnt maths maths all over and so on [10:23] our only diffs should be hisory [10:23] english is english [10:24] accounting should be same [10:24] computer classes should be same [10:25] i wish william was here [10:25] True, but the curriculum's differ from countries and books for sa will have to be translated to different languages [10:26] is this for za kids to do what they are supposed to be doing at school or what [10:29] sjoe im too old to be thinking about this kinda stuff [10:29] lemme mail william [10:43] ok mailed him, maybe he can enlighten me [10:44] im so far past all that stuff i dont even know what to ask [10:45] like is the idea for homeschooling or to supply schools or what [10:46] if for home study then a curriculum does mater [10:46] matter either [10:46] doesnt [10:46] ai! [10:50] inetpro lunchtime [10:50] what is booktype for? [10:50] they want to make study books [10:51] available online [10:51] who is they? [10:51] william started it [10:52] arent you on our mailing list ThatGraemeGuy ? [10:52] don't think so [10:52] he has been trying for months to get things going [10:52] now Jacques_Stry is trying to help [10:53] you can find the link to join our lit on our website [10:53] what's the hold up? [10:53] list [10:53] i don't really do mailing lists, i never look at them [10:53] what they are going to use i think [10:53] at the moment the biggest problem is hosting [10:54] ya we need a host to host booktype [10:54] need lots of space? lots of cpu? lot of downloads expected? [10:54] has to be VPS or Dedicated [10:54] you can't decide where to host until you have some idea of those sorts of things [10:55] but we don't expect a lot of load for quite a while [10:55] dedi is expensive [10:55] know... [10:55] so we trying to do VPS [10:55] start with a 1GB vps and it can be grown if needed typically [10:55] we gonna try ec2 for now [10:55] oh, so it sounds like there's no holdup...... make it happen! :P [10:56] Haha [10:56] ah ok [10:56] lol [10:56] i'm not a cloud boffin :-/ [10:56] same [10:56] will figure it out as I go [10:56] apparently i signed up for the free level some time ago because amazxon said my free year is about to run out [10:57] Jacques_Stry keep eyes open for magespawn he is using it [10:57] says its super fast [10:58] At the moment I have a dedicated with OVH, managing it should be similar [11:26] http://openness.microsoft.com/blog/2015/04/21/microsoft-debian-8-linuxfest/ [11:26] bizarro [11:32] So see no reason of ec2 not to work [11:33] yeah [11:33] put important stuff on an EBS volume, instance storage is non-permanent [11:33] ??? [11:33] assming you get EBS at the free level [11:34] you do - 5gb [11:34] EBS = Elastic Block Storage, basically a network drive [11:34] but it has redundancy so it isn't susceptible to physical issues [11:34] whereas the normal storage you get with a plain instance is not redundant, and may be destroyed [11:35] oh and keep notes Jacques_Stry [11:35] so when do they destroy data? [11:35] if you treat EC2 as a VPS provider you're gonna have a bad time [11:35] not sure exactly [11:36] it isn't going to just happen, but it can [11:36] guess that doesn't help [11:36] haha [11:36] this stuff is all magic, I stick with a VPS, its stuff I understand [11:36] if I had a need I'd learn the amazon stuff [11:36] but meh [11:37] Well it seems that root storage is on the EBS [11:39] Went into EBS storage and it shows already attached to my compute instance [11:39] as root [11:39] ah ok [11:40] So should be safe [11:40] and there you already know more than me :-D [11:44] you get EBS on free EC2 http://aws.amazon.com/ebs/ [12:02] testing the free ec2 out now [12:02] sjoe [12:08] hi Kerbero [12:08] Middag Kilos [12:09] sudo apt-get install postgresql [12:09] lol wrong chat [12:09] lol [12:09] ooo yay im not the only one [12:09] sudo apt-get install mysql [12:09] :P [12:10] Kerbero hulle werk hard met ec2 [12:10] en booktype [12:10] Well they tested it with Postgre so gonna stay with it for now [12:10] imho postgre is better for production environments [12:11] But I know mysql so I use it everywhere [12:16] oh Jacques_Stry i remember something said about schools that dont get books etc [12:16] maybe i dreamed that [12:18] william taking long to answer [12:18] must say these SSD's on ec2 is quick [12:19] nice [12:39] sigh - booktype isn't in the repo's provided [12:40] ai! [12:41] Jacques_Stry: aren't you cloning from git? [12:41] installing from their repo's so that it updates because the software is still in beta [12:42] oh [12:44] keep notes [12:45] easier to pastebin notes than to think it all through from scratch again [12:46] and keep notes for mechanic types not geeks [12:50] you also want to start making books? [12:59] nono but maybe someone else can use ec2 as well [13:00] ThatGraemeGuy: you still getting connected to ctwug? finally got my link up and working over the past weekend [13:01] I struggled to find useful signal [13:03] i wrote a booklet already ThatGraemeGuy but fly had to fix it hehe [13:03] I see 15.04 release is up [13:04] ThatGraemeGuy: possible because on the map it doesnt show any1 with a dish pointed in your direction [13:04] you may need some1 to put up a temp test kit on their site pointing to you [13:04] yeah i'm on the back end of a hill [13:04] my only hope was capeflyer [13:04] or capeflyer3 i don't recall [13:04] * pieter2627 runs of to get it, points Jacques_Stry to this first https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/sourcefabric-booktype-book-collab-software#answer_19441 [13:05] but there is a double storey in the way right diagonally next to me [13:06] aah i see [13:06] you left your site height at 3m, may need quite a bit more than that [13:07] i was up on the roof scanning with the test kit, not just going on what WiND says [13:09] ok [13:09] cape flyer doesnt have anything pointing in your direction though [13:09] you would need someone on his side as well with a kit [13:10] problem there as well is that he is much lower down than me [13:10] plus the double-storey is easily 2m higher than i can manage with a 3m pole [13:10] so i need some pretty serious height [13:11] ai! [13:11] messed up the install - will try again when I get home [13:11] I like ec2 - pretty nice for testing setups - test something and when finished just delete the instance [13:11] i added a 7.3m pole on the side of my house [13:11] ThatGraemeGuy: have you tried scanning in stellenbosch direction? [13:12] I scanned in all directions initially and nothing useful came up [13:13] LoS from you to Bott looks great actually [13:13] only downside is, you will have to buy kit for both sides to get connected, if that guy agrees to it [13:13] thats what i had to do to get connected [13:14] meh, I'm just going to wait until I move somewhere else [13:15] heh, don't move to helderberg, we seem to be the worst part of the wug [13:18] I wouldn't move there anyway [13:18] I have friends there and it seems whenever we go there its windy as hell [13:19] perhaps my bad luck but i won't test that theory :p [13:19] they were trying to get something up at bezweni, not sure if anything came of that [13:19] ah ok [13:21] Hi Kilos [13:22] hi Langjan gaanit? [13:22] Fine thks, en jy? [13:23] given the lack of replies I would guess it wasn't even followed up on [13:23] ek gaan aan dankie [13:23] Mooi so, Kilos what does a cross in synaptic signify? [13:24] must I mark them for removal? [13:24] i think that means there are upgrades [13:25] just tick mark all upgrades and then apply [13:25] ok lets see [13:26] portfolio means you have a new job [13:26] the one we all congratulated you about? [13:26] ai! thats driving me nuts [13:27] Sorry! Kilos its asking me if I want to remove grub 2 from boot/grub [13:27] oh my ok close synaptic [13:29] must I its still working... [13:31] so does not react it says completely removing grub-pc(i386) [13:32] MaNI: seems so [13:33] Kilos did I mess up? [13:33] I'm going there next weekend if i remember I'll ask the guys if anyone did come chat to them about the wug stuff [13:35] did the people who used to manage the helderberg section leave or something? [13:36] not sure [13:36] nou nou terug [13:36] I'm sure when I first looked into it many years ago there were high points and active people and stuff [13:36] but now that I actually want to join theres no access points or anything [13:37] sorry Langjan [13:37] sudo aptitude upgrade [13:38] had to get gates for sis [13:38] asking on ctwug IRC [13:38] not sure if cafsta is afk though [13:39] Kilos its applying changes, currently purging config files for grub pc [13:39] it will give you options [13:40] completely removing grub pc i386 [13:40] that grub 1386 isnt needed if you on 64bit [13:40] are you on 64bit [13:40] im on 32 bit [13:40] oh my [13:41] how can grub be installed in the wrong place [13:41] MaNI: for me it was easier once I found someone close to me that seemed very interesting getting me up and running. It does help to find out who your area admin is, and get on to the whatsapp group for the area, that quickly sorted me out getting in touch with people [13:42] TinuvaMac, yeah, thats the thing though it seems almost to me like the area has collapsed theres almost nobody to connect to and the remaining guy cafsta probably means well but I don't think he has the time/resources or something [13:43] So what do I do now? Nothing is working, its busy purging grub [13:43] let it go on but dont switch off [13:43] wow cafsta's id is low, 479 one of the 1st 500 [13:43] ok thks [13:44] TinuvaMac, I mean if you check http://www.ctwug.za.net/forumdisplay.php?35-Helderberg-Area - there is almost no recent activity [13:45] well i wouldnt go by that [13:45] MaNI: if you have the time and skill to be an admin perhaps you can pick up on this: http://www.ctwug.za.net/showthread.php?4473-Looking-for-access-point-for-connection&p=38869&viewfull=1#post38869 [13:45] like i say, nowadays its all on whatsapp with the new kids and even the old folks [13:46] especially gordons bay side [13:46] skill yeah, time no :( [13:46] equipment also no :p [13:47] equipment is probably not an issue, for a nice high site like that i'm sure you can make a case for getting money from the WUG account [13:49] I mean ladders, crimping tools etc. I don't have any networking tools :p surely an area admin needs those at a minimum, but yeah time is a huge problem for me maybe if some frees up and still nothing is going on I can have a look [13:49] TinuvaMac, pretty sad if something like a wug uses primarily whatsapp to communicate thats not a very good way to include new people, but yeah maybe thats how the world is now [13:56] Langjan whats happening [13:58] still running... [13:59] ok then we run another command to replace grub [14:00] jy moenie goed breek nie outoppie [14:01] ek probeer maar in die nuwe sa moet mens kan goed breek [14:01] lol [14:06] sjoe dit vat lank ne [14:06] ossewa laptop [14:07] MaNI: I completely see your point about that. It would be great to see more people on the ctwug irc. In my area alone, irc channel has 9 people, 1 bot with 2 and area admin active. Whatsapp...30 people with 15 active [14:07] maybe even more on whatsapp [14:08] 15 active with 100 in the goup [14:08] sjoe [14:09] cafsta is active on irc tho :P [14:13] hehe #ctwug-helderberg is 2 :p [14:15] oh my [14:15] whats app killed the wug star [14:18] Would be awesome if we could get a WUG in RTB [14:20] ptawug goes to brits for definite, maybe gone fruther by now [14:20] Kilos it does not show any movement, except to say purging configuration files, you think its still going somewhere? [14:20] i looked about 2 years ago [14:20] sjoe normally aptitude sorts things [14:21] It does say it can take some time... [14:21] let it run [14:21] ok boss [14:21] then use sudo aptitude install grub-pc [14:21] if that says it is installed then run [14:21] thks Kilos [14:22] sudo aptitude reinstall grub-pc [14:22] anytime Langjan [14:22] then you should be safe [14:23] OK thks Kilos [14:24] maybe boot-repair messed something up [14:32] oh also Langjan in synaptic you can go edit then tick fix broken packages [14:32] maybe thats why synaptic is taking so long [14:32] but dont switch off [14:42] Langjan i dont think you can run two install commands same time from terminal but try in another terminal sudo apt-get -f install [14:57] nou kry ek sommer skaam. ek moes eers jou pos gelees het maar was buite by die skape [14:57] ai! [15:15] It gives "another process is using terminal" [15:15] ok lets try kill it [15:15] ctrl+c [15:16] then type exit [15:17] hopefully that will kill it [15:18] where are the clever peeps when i need them [15:18] It gives option to end process, I select yes but it does not stop [15:18] try a few times [15:18] we have to end that process [15:19] Its got 9 lives [15:19] lol [15:20] now we need a kill command [15:20]