[02:53]  * DalekSec pokes the nlsthzn.
[02:58]  * nlsthzn is poked
[04:31] <Kilos> ai!
[04:34] <Kilos> morning inetpro  sorry
[04:58] <barrydk> Morning everyone
[04:58] <Kilos> hi barrydk  
[04:58] <barrydk> Hoe gaan dit Kilos
[04:59] <Kilos> sjoe
[04:59] <Kilos> wel ek lewe so dis een goeie ding
[05:57] <Kilos> hi MaNI  
[05:57] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn  
[05:57] <nlsthzn> alo
[06:03] <MaNI> hi
[06:10] <pieter2627> morning all
[06:17] <Kilos> hi pieter2627  
[06:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:57] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[07:00] <nlsthzn> so everyone excited about the release later today?
[07:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> new Kurt Darren CD?
[07:01] <Kilos> if i can stay up ill get it in kde flavour nlsthzn  
[07:01] <Kilos> i wanna see plasma5
[07:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> you might as well just grab the latest daily build iso, there's going to be no significant difference
[07:02] <nlsthzn> I was using it since yesterday... switched back to Gnome 3
[07:03] <nlsthzn> yup, I am pretty sure the current daily is the release
[07:03] <nlsthzn> ThatGraemeGuy, who is Kurt Darren?
[07:03] <nlsthzn> :p
[07:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'm not even using *buntu anymore, but don't tell anyone
[07:03] <nlsthzn> use what works for you
[07:04] <Kilos> lol
[07:04] <nlsthzn> if my bloody windows 7 wasn't giving me an update error I would be using it right now :/
[07:04] <Kilos> what you using ThatGraemeGuy  
[07:04] <Kilos> debian or arch
[07:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> debian sid
[07:04] <Kilos> the fly also
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> I get bored avery now and then and try something different
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> next time i'll try something else again with one of these new desktop
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> desktops
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> cinnamon or mate
[07:05] <nlsthzn> ThatGraemeGuy, I couldn't get all my fonts to look nice with sid so I gave up :/
[07:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> or whatever else
[07:06] <nlsthzn> some websites where fugly
[07:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah i must say it was a lot of manual fiddlling to get my desktop looking like i wanted
[07:07] <nlsthzn> and now that the freeze is almost over for debian be ready for more breakage with sid
[07:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> sid doesn't freeze
[07:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> jessie/testing froze
[07:08] <nlsthzn> as far as I can tell there is also a slow down in sid... but I could be mistaken
[07:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> haven't noticed any, i still keep getting updates
[07:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> they don't filter down to testing during the freeze though
[07:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> so when the freeze is lifted, testing get a sudden massive influx of updates and things break sometimes
[07:09] <Kilos> ai!
[07:09] <nlsthzn> might be what I am thinking about 
[07:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> might be less activity in sid because of maintainers focussing more on getting jessie clean though
[07:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> but definitely not frozen
[07:10] <nlsthzn> lets hope it stays up regardless :p
[07:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> 12 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[07:10]  * nlsthzn noticed more speed copying from external hdd via usb 3 in 15.04
[07:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's now, and i ran a dist-upgrade yesterday
[07:16] <Kilos> thats the joy of linux, freedom of choice
[07:17] <Kilos> hi Jacques_Stry  
[07:17] <Jacques_Stry> Morning
[07:23] <pieter2627> Kilos: about that book/manual thing, they are looking for a dedicated server to have python right?
[07:23] <Kilos> yes
[07:24] <pieter2627> found this yesterday http://www.webafrica.co.za/hosting/
[07:24] <Kilos> is it free?
[07:24] <Kilos> Jacques_Stry  ^^
[07:24] <pieter2627> nope, but cheaper than a dedicated host
[07:25] <Jacques_Stry> this is the dependencies required - git-core python-dev python-pip libjpeg-dev libpq-dev libxml2-dev libxslt-dev rabbitmq-server redis-server tidy
[07:25] <Kilos> actually maybe one of you clever guys can look at ec2 and see if that free for a year thing can be dedicated
[07:26] <Kilos> free is good i think for a year, one can get lots done in a year
[07:27] <Kilos> inetpro  can they do dedicated
[07:27] <pieter2627> i asked them if it is possible to install django since i see that is needed and got pointed to the vps option to install anything
[07:28] <pieter2627> Kilos: i don't thing it is dedicated, but as i understand you are in full control, someone might be able to confirm
[07:29] <Kilos> thats for you clever peeps to work out
[07:29] <Kilos> i dont even understand the need for a dedicated server
[07:30] <Kilos> magespawn says that site is super fast
[07:30] <Kilos> i think he said a 2g upgrade or install took 3 secs
[07:34] <pieter2627> since the ec2 is free for a year, one can just get one and try it?
[07:35] <Kilos> yes thats what i was thinking
[07:36] <Kilos> oh Jacques_Stry  you spoke about sql
[07:37] <pieter2627> or sqlite
[07:37] <Kilos> i have a book called mastering sql by martin gruber that you can have
[07:38] <pieter2627> Kilos: how old is it?
[07:39] <Kilos> old i think
[07:40] <Jacques_Stry> Well they designed it with PostgreSQL but others should be fine
[07:41] <Kilos> im trying to find a date
[07:41] <Kilos> was my nieces at college
[07:43] <Kilos> can you find its age if i give you the isbn number
[07:44] <pieter2627> should be able to
[07:45] <Kilos> isbn : 0-7821-2538-7
[07:46] <pieter2627> year 2000 http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-SQL-Martin-Gruber/dp/0782125387
[07:46] <Kilos> so in todays world its very old
[07:47] <Kilos> anyway anyone is welcome to it
[07:48] <Kilos> i read up to the need for a second table and gave up
[07:48] <pieter2627> probably, but it is a start if no other choice exists
[07:48] <Kilos> 841 pages and a cd
[07:53] <psyatw> hi Kilos 
[07:53] <psyatw> hi pieter2627 
[07:53] <pieter2627> morning psyatw
[07:53] <psyatw> does SQL matter in a world of NoSQL? :)
[07:54] <Kilos> hi psyatw  
[07:55] <psyatw> I went to the Hadoop meetup yesterday
[07:55] <Kilos> we have a project that uses sql
[07:55] <psyatw> and learned about Apache Drill
[07:55] <Kilos> nice
[07:55] <psyatw> it's a cool project
[08:04] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac  
[08:35] <Kilos> aw
[08:35] <Kilos> that was someone from our site and i was outside
[08:36] <Kilos> i need to organise a whole group of greeter bots
[09:26] <Kilos> hi SilverCode  
[09:26] <SilverCode> hi Kilos 
[09:33] <Kilos> SilverCode  have you joined us yet at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za
[09:33] <Kilos> i forget who ive asked and who not
[09:33] <Kilos> ai!
[09:51] <Kilos> wb Jacques_Stry  
[09:52] <Kilos> pieter2627  wat dink jy van daai ec2 ding
[09:54] <Kilos> im looking for more places
[10:00] <Jacques_Stry> Exchange reset
[10:00] <Kilos> ah
[10:00] <Jacques_Stry> Happening quite often these days
[10:00] <Kilos> no matter wb anyway
[10:00] <Jacques_Stry> :) ty
[10:00] <Kilos> hehe
[10:01] <Kilos> im working on another host but could take a while, need to get to know him first
[10:02] <Kilos> i dont know how well tie the booktype thing to ubuntu work
[10:02] <Kilos> maybe ec2 can be done in the meantime
[10:03] <pieter2627> Kilos: with my limited knowledge, it does not look bad
[10:05] <Kilos> yay
[10:05] <Kilos> Jacques_Stry  can jy hom help asb
[10:06] <Kilos> i will need to know the size of a dedicated server needed for it
[10:06] <Kilos> if ec2 dont work
[10:06] <Kilos> and all the links
[10:08] <Jacques_Stry> They don't have system requirements listed on the site
[10:08] <Jacques_Stry> but shouldn't be much
[10:10] <Kilos> Maaz  define much
[10:10] <Maaz> Kilos: Much \Much\, n. 1. A great quantity; a great deal; also, an indefinite quantity; as, you have as much as I. [1913 Webster]  He that gathered much had nothing over. --Ex. xvi. 18. [1913 Webster]  Note: Muchin this sense can be regarded as an adjective qualifying a word unexpressed, and may, therefore, be modified by as, so, too, very. [1913 Webster]  2. A
[10:10] <Maaz> thing uncommon, wonderful, or noticeable; something considerable. [1913 Webster]  And [he] t…
[10:10] <Jacques_Stry> for installation see this page:http://goo.gl/kLgAoP
[10:10] <Kilos> ok
[10:10] <Kilos> what system does it need to install onto
[10:11] <Kilos> dont tell me windows, ill cry
[10:12] <Jacques_Stry> a VPS with a gig of ram should be enough
[10:12] <pieter2627> ubuntu, centos, debian, mac os is what it has been tested upon
[10:12] <Kilos> aha
[10:12] <Jacques_Stry> http://goo.gl/kLgAoP this is installation on debian based
[10:12] <Jacques_Stry> but other distro's supported too
[10:12]  * pieter2627 has also been thinking why a vps can't work instead
[10:13] <Jacques_Stry> - what he said
[10:15] <Kilos> will these books be for south africans only or anyone?
[10:18] <Jacques_Stry> Good question - but I guess we targeting SA first
[10:19] <Kilos> yeah what i mean is is the education the same all over or do we do different stuff here
[10:21] <Kilos> dont forget i was in school 46 years ago
[10:22] <Jacques_Stry> SA different from other countries
[10:23] <Kilos> isnt maths maths all over and so on
[10:23] <Kilos> our only diffs should be hisory
[10:23] <Kilos> english is english
[10:24] <Kilos> accounting should be same
[10:24] <Kilos> computer classes should be same
[10:25] <Kilos> i wish william was here
[10:25] <Jacques_Stry> True, but the curriculum's differ from countries and books for sa will have to be translated to different languages
[10:26] <Kilos> is this for za kids to do what they are supposed to be doing at school or what
[10:29] <Kilos> sjoe im too old to be thinking about this kinda stuff
[10:29] <Kilos> lemme mail william
[10:43] <Kilos> ok mailed him, maybe he can enlighten me
[10:44] <Kilos> im so far past all that stuff i dont even know what to ask
[10:45] <Kilos> like is the idea for homeschooling or to supply schools or what
[10:46] <Kilos> if for home study then a curriculum does mater
[10:46] <Kilos> matter either
[10:46] <Kilos> doesnt
[10:46] <Kilos> ai!
[10:50] <Kilos> inetpro  lunchtime
[10:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> what is booktype for?
[10:50] <Kilos> they want to make study books
[10:51] <Kilos> available online
[10:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> who is they?
[10:51] <Kilos> william started it
[10:52] <Kilos> arent you on our mailing list ThatGraemeGuy  ?
[10:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> don't think so
[10:52] <Kilos> he has been trying for months to get things going
[10:52] <Kilos> now Jacques_Stry  is trying to help
[10:53] <Kilos> you can find the link to join our lit on our website
[10:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> what's the hold up?
[10:53] <Kilos> list
[10:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't really do mailing lists, i never look at them
[10:53] <Kilos> what they are going to use i think
[10:53] <Jacques_Stry> at the moment the biggest problem is hosting
[10:54] <Kilos> ya we need a host to host booktype
[10:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> need lots of space? lots of cpu? lot of downloads expected?
[10:54] <Jacques_Stry> has to be VPS or Dedicated
[10:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can't decide where to host until you have some idea of those sorts of things
[10:55] <Jacques_Stry> but we don't expect a lot of load for quite a while
[10:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> dedi is expensive
[10:55] <Jacques_Stry> know...
[10:55] <Jacques_Stry> so we trying to do VPS
[10:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> start with a 1GB vps and it can be grown if needed typically
[10:55] <Jacques_Stry> we gonna try ec2 for now
[10:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh, so it sounds like there's no holdup...... make it happen! :P
[10:56] <Jacques_Stry> Haha
[10:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah ok
[10:56] <Kilos> lol
[10:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm not a cloud boffin :-/
[10:56] <Jacques_Stry> same
[10:56] <Jacques_Stry> will figure it out as I go
[10:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> apparently i signed up for the free level some time ago because amazxon said my free year is about to run out
[10:57] <Kilos> Jacques_Stry  keep eyes open for magespawn he is using it
[10:57] <Kilos> says its super fast
[10:58] <Jacques_Stry> At the moment I have a dedicated with OVH, managing it should be similar
[11:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://openness.microsoft.com/blog/2015/04/21/microsoft-debian-8-linuxfest/
[11:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> bizarro
[11:32] <Jacques_Stry> So see no reason of ec2 not to work
[11:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[11:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> put important stuff on an EBS volume, instance storage is non-permanent
[11:33] <Jacques_Stry> ???
[11:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> assming you get EBS at the free level
[11:34] <Jacques_Stry> you do - 5gb
[11:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> EBS = Elastic Block Storage, basically a network drive
[11:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> but it has redundancy so it isn't susceptible to physical issues
[11:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> whereas the normal storage you get with a plain instance is not redundant, and may be destroyed
[11:35] <Kilos> oh and keep notes  Jacques_Stry  
[11:35] <Jacques_Stry> so when do they destroy data?
[11:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you treat EC2 as a VPS provider you're gonna have a bad time
[11:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> not sure exactly
[11:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> it isn't going to just happen, but it can
[11:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> guess that doesn't help
[11:36] <Jacques_Stry> haha
[11:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> this stuff is all magic, I stick with a VPS, its stuff I understand
[11:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> if I had a need I'd learn the amazon stuff
[11:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> but meh
[11:37] <Jacques_Stry> Well it seems that root storage is on the EBS
[11:39] <Jacques_Stry> Went into  EBS storage and it shows already attached to my compute instance
[11:39] <Jacques_Stry> as root
[11:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah ok
[11:40] <Jacques_Stry> So should be safe
[11:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> and there you already know more than me :-D
[11:44] <pieter2627> you get EBS on free EC2 http://aws.amazon.com/ebs/
[12:02] <Jacques_Stry> testing the free ec2 out now
[12:02] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:08] <Kilos> hi Kerbero  
[12:08] <Kerbero> Middag Kilos
[12:09] <Jacques_Stry> sudo apt-get install postgresql
[12:09] <Jacques_Stry> lol wrong chat
[12:09] <Kilos> lol
[12:09] <Kilos> ooo yay im not the only one
[12:09] <Kerbero> sudo apt-get install mysql
[12:09] <Kerbero> :P
[12:10] <Kilos> Kerbero  hulle werk hard met ec2
[12:10] <Kilos> en booktype
[12:10] <Jacques_Stry> Well they tested it with Postgre so gonna stay with it for now
[12:10] <Kerbero> imho postgre is better for production environments
[12:11] <Kerbero> But I know mysql so I use it everywhere
[12:16] <Kilos> oh Jacques_Stry  i remember something said about schools that dont get books etc
[12:16] <Kilos> maybe i dreamed that
[12:18] <Kilos> william taking long to answer
[12:18] <Jacques_Stry> must say these SSD's on ec2 is quick
[12:19] <Kilos> nice
[12:39] <Jacques_Stry> sigh - booktype isn't in the repo's provided
[12:40] <Kilos> ai!
[12:41] <pieter2627> Jacques_Stry: aren't you cloning from git?
[12:41] <Jacques_Stry> installing from their repo's so that it updates because the software is still in beta
[12:42] <pieter2627> oh
[12:44] <Kilos> keep notes
[12:45] <Kilos> easier to pastebin notes than to think it all through from scratch again
[12:46] <Kilos> and keep notes for mechanic types not geeks
[12:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> you also want to start making books?
[12:59] <Kilos> nono but maybe someone else can use  ec2 as well
[13:00] <TinuvaMac> ThatGraemeGuy: you still getting connected to ctwug? finally got my link up and working over the past weekend
[13:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> I struggled to find useful signal
[13:03] <Kilos> i wrote a booklet already ThatGraemeGuy  but fly had to fix it hehe
[13:03] <Jacques_Stry> I see 15.04 release is up
[13:04] <TinuvaMac> ThatGraemeGuy: possible because on the map it doesnt show any1 with a dish pointed in your direction
[13:04] <TinuvaMac> you may need some1 to put up a temp test kit on their site pointing to you
[13:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah i'm on the back end of a hill
[13:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> my only hope was capeflyer
[13:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> or capeflyer3 i don't recall
[13:04]  * pieter2627 runs of to get it, points Jacques_Stry to this first https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/sourcefabric-booktype-book-collab-software#answer_19441
[13:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> but there is a double storey in the way right diagonally next to me
[13:06] <TinuvaMac> aah i see
[13:06] <TinuvaMac> you left your site height at 3m, may need quite a bit more than that
[13:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> i was up on the roof scanning with the test kit, not just going on what WiND says
[13:09] <TinuvaMac> ok
[13:09] <TinuvaMac> cape flyer doesnt have anything pointing in your direction though
[13:09] <TinuvaMac> you would need someone on his side as well with a kit
[13:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> problem there as well is that he is much lower down than me
[13:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> plus the double-storey is easily 2m higher than i can manage with a 3m pole
[13:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> so i need some pretty serious height
[13:11] <Kilos> ai!
[13:11] <Jacques_Stry> messed up the install - will try again when I get home
[13:11] <Jacques_Stry> I like ec2 - pretty nice for testing setups - test something and when finished just delete the instance
[13:11] <TinuvaMac> i added a 7.3m pole on the side of my house
[13:11] <TinuvaMac> ThatGraemeGuy: have you tried scanning in stellenbosch direction?
[13:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> I scanned in all directions initially and nothing useful came up
[13:13] <TinuvaMac> LoS from you to Bott looks great actually
[13:13] <TinuvaMac> only downside is, you will have to buy kit for both sides to get connected, if that guy agrees to it
[13:13] <TinuvaMac> thats what i had to do to get connected
[13:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> meh, I'm just going to wait until I move somewhere else
[13:15] <MaNI> heh, don't move to helderberg, we seem to be the worst part of the wug
[13:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> I wouldn't move there anyway
[13:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> I have friends there and it seems whenever we go there its windy as hell
[13:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> perhaps my bad luck but i won't test that theory :p
[13:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> they were trying to get something up at bezweni, not sure if anything came of that
[13:19] <TinuvaMac> ah ok
[13:21] <Langjan> Hi Kilos
[13:22] <Kilos> hi Langjan  gaanit?
[13:22] <Langjan> Fine thks, en jy? 
[13:23] <MaNI> given the lack of replies I would guess it wasn't even followed up on
[13:23] <Kilos> ek gaan aan dankie
[13:23] <Langjan> Mooi so, Kilos what does a cross in synaptic signify? 
[13:24] <Langjan> must I mark them for removal?
[13:24] <Kilos> i think that means there are upgrades
[13:25] <Kilos> just tick mark all upgrades and then apply
[13:25] <Langjan> ok lets see
[13:26] <Langjan> portfolio means you have a new job 
[13:26] <Langjan> the one we all congratulated you about?
[13:26] <Kilos> ai! thats driving me nuts
[13:27] <Langjan> Sorry! Kilos its asking me if I want to remove grub 2 from boot/grub
[13:27] <Kilos> oh my ok close synaptic
[13:29] <Langjan> must I its still working...
[13:31] <Langjan> so does not react it says completely removing grub-pc(i386)
[13:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> MaNI: seems so
[13:33] <Langjan> Kilos did I mess up?
[13:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'm going there next weekend if i remember I'll ask the guys if anyone did come chat to them about the wug stuff
[13:35] <MaNI> did the people who used to manage the helderberg section leave or something?
[13:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> not sure
[13:36] <Kilos> nou nou terug
[13:36] <MaNI> I'm sure when I first looked into it many years ago there were high points and active people and stuff
[13:36] <MaNI> but now that I actually want to join theres no access points or anything
[13:37] <Kilos> sorry Langjan  
[13:37] <Kilos> sudo aptitude upgrade
[13:38] <Kilos> had to get gates for sis
[13:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> asking on ctwug IRC
[13:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> not sure if cafsta is afk though
[13:39] <Langjan> Kilos its applying changes, currently purging config files for grub pc
[13:39] <Kilos> it will give you options 
[13:40] <Langjan> completely removing grub pc i386  
[13:40] <Kilos> that grub 1386 isnt needed if you on 64bit
[13:40] <Kilos> are you on 64bit
[13:40] <Langjan> im on 32 bit 
[13:40] <Kilos> oh my
[13:41] <Kilos> how can grub be installed in the wrong place
[13:41] <TinuvaMac> MaNI: for me it was easier once I found someone close to me that seemed very interesting getting me up and running. It does help to find out who your area admin is, and get on to the whatsapp group for the area, that quickly sorted me out getting in touch with people
[13:42] <MaNI> TinuvaMac, yeah, thats the thing though it seems almost to me like the area has collapsed theres almost nobody to connect to and the remaining guy cafsta probably means well but I don't think he has the time/resources or something
[13:43] <Langjan> So what do I do now? Nothing is working, its busy purging grub
[13:43] <Kilos> let it go on but dont switch off
[13:43] <TinuvaMac> wow cafsta's id is low, 479 one of the 1st 500
[13:43] <Langjan> ok thks
[13:44] <MaNI> TinuvaMac, I mean if you check http://www.ctwug.za.net/forumdisplay.php?35-Helderberg-Area - there is almost no recent activity
[13:45] <TinuvaMac> well i wouldnt go by that
[13:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> MaNI: if you have the time and skill to be an admin perhaps you can pick up on this: http://www.ctwug.za.net/showthread.php?4473-Looking-for-access-point-for-connection&p=38869&viewfull=1#post38869
[13:45] <TinuvaMac> like i say, nowadays its all on whatsapp with the new kids and even the old folks
[13:46] <MaNI> especially gordons bay side
[13:46] <MaNI> skill yeah, time no :(
[13:46] <MaNI> equipment also no :p
[13:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> equipment is probably not an issue, for a nice high site like that i'm sure you can make a case for getting money from the WUG account
[13:49] <MaNI> I mean ladders, crimping tools etc. I don't have any networking tools :p surely an area admin needs those at a minimum, but yeah time is a huge problem for me maybe if some frees up and still nothing is going on I can have a look
[13:49] <MaNI> TinuvaMac, pretty sad if something like a wug uses primarily whatsapp to communicate thats not a very good way to include new people,   but yeah maybe thats how the world is now
[13:56] <Kilos> Langjan  whats happening
[13:58] <Langjan> still running...
[13:59] <Kilos> ok then we run another command to replace grub
[14:00] <Kilos> jy moenie goed breek nie outoppie
[14:01] <Langjan> ek probeer maar in die nuwe sa moet mens kan goed breek
[14:01] <Kilos> lol
[14:06] <Kilos> sjoe dit vat lank ne
[14:06] <Kilos> ossewa laptop
[14:07] <TinuvaMac> MaNI: I completely see your point about that. It would be great to see more people on the ctwug irc. In my area alone, irc channel has 9 people, 1 bot with 2 and area admin active. Whatsapp...30 people with 15 active
[14:07] <TinuvaMac> maybe even more on whatsapp
[14:08] <TinuvaMac> 15 active with 100 in the goup
[14:08] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:09] <TinuvaMac> cafsta is active on irc tho :P
[14:13] <MaNI> hehe #ctwug-helderberg is 2 :p
[14:15] <Kilos> oh my
[14:15] <Kilos> whats app killed the wug star
[14:18] <Jacques_StrY> Would be awesome if we could get a WUG in RTB
[14:20] <Kilos> ptawug goes to brits for definite, maybe gone fruther by now
[14:20] <Langjan> Kilos it does not show any movement, except to say purging configuration files, you think its still going somewhere? 
[14:20] <Kilos> i looked about 2 years ago
[14:20] <Kilos> sjoe normally aptitude sorts things
[14:21] <Langjan> It does say it can take some time...
[14:21] <Kilos> let it run 
[14:21] <Langjan> ok boss
[14:21] <Kilos> then use sudo aptitude install grub-pc
[14:21] <Kilos> if that says it is installed then run
[14:21] <Langjan> thks Kilos
[14:22] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall grub-pc
[14:22] <Kilos> anytime Langjan  
[14:22] <Kilos> then you should be safe
[14:23] <Langjan> OK thks Kilos
[14:24] <Kilos> maybe boot-repair messed something up
[14:32] <Kilos> oh also Langjan  in synaptic you can go edit then tick fix broken packages
[14:32] <Kilos> maybe thats why synaptic is taking so long
[14:32] <Kilos> but dont switch off
[14:42] <Kilos> Langjan  i dont think you can run two install commands same time from terminal but try in another terminal sudo apt-get -f install
[14:57] <Kilos> nou kry ek sommer skaam. ek moes eers jou pos gelees het maar was buite by die skape
[14:57] <Kilos> ai!
[15:15] <Langjan> It gives "another process is using terminal"
[15:15] <Kilos> ok lets try kill it
[15:15] <Kilos> ctrl+c
[15:16] <Kilos> then type exit
[15:17] <Kilos> hopefully that will kill it
[15:18] <Kilos> where are the clever peeps when i need them
[15:18] <Langjan> It gives option to end process, I select yes but it does not stop
[15:18] <Kilos> try a few times
[15:18] <Kilos> we have to end that process
[15:19] <Langjan> Its got 9 lives
[15:19] <Kilos> lol
[15:20] <Kilos> now we need a kill command
[15:20] <Langjan> How do you kill a cat?
[15:20] <Kilos> MaNI  
[15:20] <Kilos> now everyone on their way home too
[15:22] <Kilos> elacheche  how do i kill a terminal running a config process thats stuck
[15:22] <Kilos> Langjan  rattle your cage maybe someone will hear
[15:26] <Langjan> will a run in guest session not work?
[15:26] <Kilos> im scared grub is totally messed up
[15:27] <Kilos> without grub you are messed unless you have boot=-repair on a cd or stick
[15:28] <Kilos> oh lets see
[15:28] <Kilos> try running boot-repair and see if that can get past the terminal
[15:28] <Langjan> ok
[15:29] <Kilos> with that process running synaptic wont work either
[15:30] <Langjan> boot repair running
[15:30] <Kilos> yay lets hold thumbs
[15:31] <Langjan> no luck, still same
[15:31] <Kilos> eish
[15:31] <Langjan> other options on boot repair?
[15:31] <Kilos> there must be a kill command
[15:32] <Kilos> nope
[15:32] <Langjan> Found this but dont know how it works: http://ubuntuguide.net/view-and-kill-current-processes-on-ubuntu
[15:33] <Langjan> I dont see suystem monitor anywhere
[15:33] <Kilos> look for terminal
[15:33] <Jacques_StrY> What is the process that is hanging?
[15:34] <Kilos> terminal of config
[15:34] <Langjan> ok found it
[15:34] <Kilos> i dunno
[15:34] <Langjan> found system monitor
[15:34] <Kilos> ok then use the kill for that
[15:34] <Kilos> why you looking for system monitor
[15:35] <Langjan> Compiz and gnome sytstem monitor running
[15:35] <Kilos> can you paste all the running stuff in slexy.org
[15:35] <Kilos> or in a pm
[15:36] <Langjan> Only thing running except monitor is compiz
[15:36] <Kilos> oh
[15:37] <Kilos> i dunno what compiz does
[15:37] <Jacques_StrY> what was busy configuring that is currently hanging
[15:37] <Kilos> some grub stuff
[15:38] <Jacques_StrY> compiz is part of x that handles 3d window effects
[15:38] <Langjan> Killed compiz but now system is unresponsive
[15:38] <Kilos> ai
[15:39] <elacheche> hey again.. Kilos did you killed it?
[15:39] <Kilos> nope killed compiz now system dont respond
[15:39] <Kilos> ai!
[15:40] <Kilos> jan you got a live dvd?
[15:40] <Langjan> Ubuntu? yes
[15:41] <Kilos> ok first try rebooting if it wont try booting from dvd
[15:41] <Langjan> only way to reboot is to power off
[15:41] <Kilos> ok
[15:42] <Langjan> holding thumbs, better, praying
[15:42] <Kilos> ai!
[15:43] <Kilos> all he needed was to repair broken packages first but i saw his mail late
[15:43] <Kilos> but Jacques_StrY  you will know how to mount the drive and install grub-pc hey
[15:43] <Langjan> It's booted
[15:43] <Kilos> woohoo
[15:43] <Kilos> ok now
[15:44] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall grub-pc
[15:44] <Kilos> oh wait
[15:44] <Kilos> something broken there
[15:44] <Kilos> sudo apt-get clean
[15:45] <Kilos> sudo apt-get autoclean
[15:45] <Kilos> ai! hes done first one
[15:46] <Kilos> Jacques_StrY  for some reasong grub was installed in the wrong place
[15:46] <Kilos> and there are broken packages somewhere
[15:47] <Langjan> kilos I'm trying to run xdiagnose to fix a graphics prob, its not opening for some reason
[15:48] <Kilos> has it opened to terminal?
[15:48] <Langjan> yes
[15:49] <Kilos> then lets clean out broken packages first
[15:49] <Langjan> ok sudo apt-get clean?
[15:49] <Kilos> ya
[15:49] <Langjan> or autoclean?
[15:49] <Kilos> and the other one i forget which does what
[15:50] <Langjan> so what must I run first?
[15:50] <Kilos> clean
[15:51] <Langjan> ok then?
[15:51] <Langjan> nothings happening
[15:51] <Kilos> autoclean
[15:51] <Kilos> then sudo apt-get -f install
[15:52] <Langjan> dpkg was interrupted, must run sudo dpkg --configure -a' 
[15:53] <Kilos> run that
[15:53] <Kilos> thats where it was stuck
[15:53] <Langjan> now autoclean?
[15:54] <Kilos> ya
[15:54] <Kilos> did dpkg do anything
[15:54] <Langjan> running
[15:55] <Langjan> running update
[15:55] <Kilos> on its own?
[15:55] <Langjan> am getting the same duplicate resources list message
[15:55] <Kilos> thats later worry
[15:56] <Langjan> ok what next ? 
[15:56] <Kilos> got duplicate entries in update thingie
[15:56] <Kilos> ok slowly now
[15:56] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall grub-pc
[15:56] <Kilos> then
[15:57] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[15:57] <Langjan> ok running
[15:58] <Kilos> if im gone a bit im getting gates for sis
[15:58] <Kilos> just be patient
[15:58] <Kilos> ill be back
[15:59] <Langjan> ok done thks so far 
[15:59] <Kilos> ubuntu-desktop as well?
[16:00] <Kilos> then it should work fine again
[16:01] <Langjan> everything seems fine except not getting xdiagnose to open 
[16:01] <Kilos> installed ubuntu-desktop?
[16:01] <Langjan> yes
[16:02] <Kilos> can you remember what graphics was in there?
[16:03] <Kilos> what you mean everything seems fine? are you in  a working system
[16:03] <Kilos> gui and all?
[16:04] <Langjan> system is working fine, whats gui? 
[16:04] <Kilos> graphic user interface
[16:04] <Kilos> die groot prent
[16:04] <Kilos> the ubuntu unity look
[16:05] <Langjan> only thing is fixed size of icons etc which I usually fix with xdiagnose
[16:05] <Kilos> just type additional in dash
[16:05] <Langjan> how doo I do that?
[16:05] <Kilos> see if the graphics drivers are installed
[16:06] <Kilos> the top thing in the launching panel
[16:06] <Langjan> additional in dash?
[16:06] <Kilos> where you open programs
[16:06] <Kilos> ya
[16:06] <Langjan> how do I type there?
[16:07] <Kilos> additional should then give you a choice of opening additional drivers
[16:07] <Kilos> when you tick it a window with search panel must open
[16:07] <Langjan> ok with you
[16:07] <Kilos> gates
[16:08] <Langjan> I have never had drivers in there
[16:08] <Langjan> no proprietory drivers in use, same as always
[16:09] <Langjan> Itrs my screen resolution I need to sort out, everythings huge at the moment
[16:11] <Langjan> should I try to reboot again?
[16:11] <Kilos> oh ok but you will find if you have right drivers it is a bit quicker
[16:11] <Kilos> you can
[16:11] <Kilos> it should have remembered all your setting
[16:11] <Langjan> hope so!
[16:12] <Langjan> Instead of Ubuntu, grub now shows gnu linux
[16:12] <Kilos> its working
[16:12] <Kilos> dont fix what isnt broken
[16:13] <Langjan> leave well enough alone
[16:13] <Kilos> lol ya
[16:13] <Kilos> is the icon size still messed up?
[16:14] <Langjan> yes, it has rebooted but size still huge and xdiagnose still not working, maybe try to uninstall and reinstall xdiagnoes?i
[16:15] <Langjan> or run from synaptic?
[16:15] <Kilos> open synaptic
[16:15] <Kilos> tick reload
[16:15] <Langjan> ok done
[16:16] <Kilos> then um
[16:16] <Kilos> wiat
[16:16] <Kilos> wait too
[16:16] <Langjan> running
[16:16] <Langjan> waiting
[16:16] <Kilos> mark all upgrades
[16:16] <Langjan> wiating too
[16:16] <Kilos> lol
[16:17] <Langjan> ok downloading 3 package files
[16:17] <Kilos> what files
[16:18] <Langjan> ek het vergeet
[16:18] <Kilos> lol
[16:18] <Langjan> ok done
[16:18] <Kilos> ok when done type at top graphics
[16:19] <Langjan> ok done
[16:20] <Kilos> somewhere in there must be nouveau drivers ticked
[16:21] <Kilos> but you can right click reinstall everything thats shows green in there
[16:21] <Langjan> nothing ticked
[16:21] <Kilos> go down
[16:21] <Kilos> must be lots of stuff
[16:22] <Langjan> lots but nothing ticked
[16:22] <Kilos> has it got a nvidia graphics card in
[16:22] <Langjan> no idea
[16:22] <Kilos> nvidia is easy to remember the ati i dont know
[16:22] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:23] <Kilos> Jacques_Stry  kan jy oor neem asb soek watter graphics moet instaleer
[16:23] <Kilos> lspci
[16:23] <Kilos> ek dink
[16:25] <Kilos> Langjan  look in setting and the screen thing if you can fix settings
[16:25] <Langjan> Built-in display
[16:25] <Kilos> settings that gear thing in the launcher
[16:26] <Kilos> didnt we have to find ati drivers for this one sometime
[16:26] <Langjan> no
[16:26] <Langjan> I used xdiagnose to sort it out
[16:26] <Kilos> i hope its nvidia
[16:27] <Kilos> ok type xdiagnose in synaptic and reinstall it
[16:30] <Langjan> ok going
[16:31] <Langjan> still no luck
[16:31] <Kilos> maybe that is part og the configuration that crashed
[16:32] <Kilos> lets try something else
[16:32] <Kilos> tick xdiagnose and remove it
[16:32] <Kilos> then install again
[16:33] <Langjan> in synaptic?
[16:33] <Kilos> ya
[16:33] <Kilos> and sommer reinstall everything thats green there
[16:33] <Langjan> removal or complete removal?
[16:33] <Kilos> removal
[16:35] <Langjan> still not working. remove, reboot then reinstall?
[16:36] <Kilos> its just some config somewhere
[16:36] <Kilos> but to find it
[16:37] <Kilos> reinstalling everything in synaptic will work but thats a days job
[16:37] <pieter2627> try opening xdiagnose from terminal to see what the problem is
[16:39] <Kilos> Langjan  pieter2627  is one of the clever young breed
[16:39] <Langjan> Hi pieter2627, glad to meet you
[16:39] <Langjan> dalk kan jy die ou manne help
[16:40] <Langjan> whats the command pse?
[16:40] <Langjan> to open xdiagnose in terminal
[16:40] <Kilos> xdiagnose
[16:40] <Kilos> maybe sudo
[16:40] <pieter2627> Hi Langjan, likewise here. (i thing that is currently only Kilos's prayer)
[16:41] <pieter2627> probably just xdiagnose
[16:41] <pieter2627> else try xd then <tab>
[16:41] <pieter2627> to get suggestions
[16:42] <Langjan> Error: No /etc/default/grub present
[16:42] <pieter2627> shouldn't one update grub after install
[16:43] <pieter2627> `sudo grub update` i think
[16:43] <Kilos> sudo update-grub
[16:44] <Langjan> still nothing
[16:45] <pieter2627> what did update-grub do
[16:45] <pieter2627> *?
[16:46] <Langjan> Found linux image, initrd image, memtest image
[16:47] <Langjan> memtest86+.elf and .bin
[16:47] <Langjan> Hope that helps
[16:50] <pieter2627> i know you did this, but just retry `sudo apt-get install --reinstall grub-pc`
[16:52] <Langjan> ok
[16:52] <pieter2627> now `ls /etc/default/grub`
[16:54] <pieter2627> does it reprint the path or output not found?
[16:54] <Langjan> aha, you got it
[16:54] <pieter2627> so xdiagnose is now opening?
[16:54] <Kilos> fixed?
[16:54] <Langjan> xdiagnose opened, now rebooting
[16:55] <Kilos> woohooo
[16:55] <Kilos> Langjan  sien jy nou hoekom boer ek hier
[16:55] <Langjan> hoowhooo!!! just checking on reboot
[16:55] <Langjan> grub menu showing correctly
[16:56] <pieter2627> Kilos: maze, corn, or ... :P
[16:56] <Kilos> brains
[16:56] <Kilos> if you mix with clever peeps you start smelling clever
[16:57] <Langjan> screen resolution now its running around in circles, not booting after grub menu shows
[16:58] <Kilos> ai!
[16:58] <Kilos> think tank
[16:59] <Langjan> ai tog
[16:59] <Kilos> reboot again and hit top recovery mode
[17:00] <Langjan> Theres no recovery mode. Run boot repair from DVD?
[17:01] <Kilos> no
[17:01] <pieter2627> sorry have to go, will be back in 30min - try updating grub again since that file is back
[17:01] <Kilos> sudo update-grub
[17:01] <Langjan> thks pieter2627
[17:01] <Langjan> its not bootin Kilos
[17:02] <Kilos> oh my
[17:02] <Kilos> kill power and try again
[17:02] <Langjan> ok
[17:03] <Langjan> same problem running back to grub meny
[17:03] <Langjan> menu, not booting
[17:03] <Kilos> ok boot-repair
[17:04] <Kilos> wow
[17:04] <Kilos> as jy n ding breek doen jy n goie job ne
[17:04] <Kilos> goeie
[17:04] <Langjan> ja man, die boeremanier
[17:04] <Langjan> sal laat weet as ek klaar is
[17:04] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:04] <Kilos> ok
[17:16] <Langjan> Kilos ek verstaan nie, het voorheen boot repair op hierdie dvd gedoen, nou kry ek hom nie
[17:17] <Kilos> lol
[17:17] <Kilos> jy moet dit eers gaam kry
[17:18] <Kilos> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair
[17:18] <Langjan> kry hom ook nie, trying another dvd 
[17:19] <Kilos> nee man dis daar bo
[17:19] <Kilos> o jy moet eers sudo apt-get update
[17:19] <Langjan> dankie ek sal nou weer daar wees, gaan eers eet 
[17:19] <Kilos> ok
[17:46] <pieter2627> hello again
[17:46] <Kilos> hi pieter2627  
[17:47] <pieter2627> so het oom nou al die fun klaar uit gesort?
[17:47] <Kilos> nee eks seker daar is fout in die conf files iewers
[17:48] <pieter2627> ouch
[17:48] <Kilos> maar nou boot die ding nie so dis eers boot-reoair
[17:48] <pieter2627> soos nou-nou?
[17:49] <Kilos> jy die oomie eet eers
[17:49] <Kilos> hy nog agt jaar ouer as ek
[17:50] <Kilos> hy sal se en twee maande
[17:50] <pieter2627> ??
[17:51] <Kilos> 8 jaar en twee maande
[17:51] <Langjan> ja seuntjie, julle skinder lekker ne?
[17:51] <Kilos> lol
[17:51]  * pieter2627 moppel nee en soel vir n gat
[17:51] <Kilos> lol
[17:51] <pieter2627> soek*
[17:51] <Langjan> Kiloos help asb weer hoe werk die boot repair van dte DVD af? Ek het nou die install en update gedoen, wat volg? 
[17:52] <Kilos> sudo apt-get update
[17:52] <Langjan> klaar gedoen
[17:52] <Kilos> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair
[17:52] <Langjan> dit ook
[17:52] <Langjan> probeer weer
[17:52] <Kilos> dan weer sudo apt-get update
[17:53] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install -y boot-repair && boot-repair
[17:56] <Langjan> ok boot repair running
[17:56] <Kilos> yay
[17:57] <Kilos> then we have to find something to fix config files
[17:57] <Langjan> Het jy geweet daar was 'n klompie Engelsmans by die slag van Bloedrivier? 
[17:57] <Langjan> By die boere...
[17:58] <Kilos> daar is goeie engelse
[17:58] <Langjan> en bliksems vir boere
[17:58] <Kilos> lol
[17:59] <Kilos> almal het goeies en slegtes
[17:59] <Langjan> amen
[18:00] <Langjan> same problem Kilos
[18:00] <Langjan> sorry to say
[18:00] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:00] <Kilos> wat is on there you want to save
[18:01] <Langjan> grub gives advanced options recovery mode, rying tht
[18:01] <Kilos> ok
[18:01] <Langjan> recovery menu - which option?
[18:01] <Kilos> what are the options
[18:02] <Kilos> fsck somewhere
[18:02] <Langjan> sorry, eskom loadshed, see you later, running on UPS 
[18:02] <Kilos> ok
[18:04] <Kilos> ai! die eskom darem
[18:04] <Kilos> naand inetpro  
[18:07] <pieter2627> Kilos: am now checking the site for spelling - on the join us page, how is the second paragraph (ending) suppose to read?
[18:07] <Langjan>  rebooted and working fine, many many thks to Pieter also, slaap lekker. Als nou reg hierdie kant behalwe eskom
[18:07] <Kilos> let me see
[18:08] <Kilos> kom sien ons more oompie
[18:08] <Langjan> Ne ema se net drie hoeras
[18:08] <Langjan> als werk reg
[18:08] <Kilos> lol
[18:08] <Kilos> mooi
[18:08] <pieter2627> np Langjan, lekker slaap vir oom ook
[18:08] <Langjan> slaap lekker en baie dankies
[18:08] <Kilos> plesier
[18:08] <Langjan> dankie pieter2627 jyook
[18:08] <Kilos> kom enige tyd weer
[18:08] <Langjan> en dankie vir al die hulp.ardeer baie 
[18:09] <Langjan> waardeer
[18:09] <Kilos> thats  why we are here
[18:10] <Kilos> ai!
[18:10] <pieter2627> lol
[18:11] <Kilos> a lot of meaning to your life.
[18:11] <Jacques_Stry> And i'm in the dark :)
[18:11] <Kilos> should be add a lot of meaning to your life.
[18:11] <Kilos> aw Jacques_Stry  
[18:11] <Jacques_Stry> Ah well knew we were going off
[18:11] <pieter2627> thought so - just wanted to confirm, thanks
[18:12] <Kilos> i love helping others even when i do it wrong
[18:12] <Kilos> i know there are brains that will back me up and correct my mistakes
[18:12] <Jacques_Stry> Nee oom het goed gedoen daar
[18:12] <pieter2627> Luckely two falses are true :P
[18:13] <pieter2627> ja heeltemal self reg gemaak
[18:13] <Kilos> ja maar ek moes eers die broken packages  reg gemaak het
[18:13] <Kilos> ek het sy epos te laat gelees
[18:13] <pieter2627> reg is reg...
[18:15] <Kilos> ek sukkel net as ek nie unity voor my het nie
[18:21] <gremble> Good evening
[18:22]  * Jacques_Stry waves
[18:22] <Kilos> hi gremble  
[18:22] <pieter2627> evenong gremble
[18:22] <pieter2627> evening*
[18:22] <Kilos> you are way to scarce man you need to finish them studies
[18:23] <gremble> I do
[18:23] <pieter2627> Kilos: on the same page; list on bottom; second item. just want to check it too
[18:23] <Kilos> ok
[18:23] <gremble> I also need to find a part time job that means something more than a sales clerk at exclusive books
[18:23] <gremble> :P
[18:24] <Kilos> daai how can i help lys?
[18:25] <Kilos> whew gremble  good luck with that
[18:25] <gremble> thank you
[18:25] <gremble> how are things going here?
[18:25] <pieter2627> uh, oo ja daai een
[18:25] <Kilos> we are so busy feet dont touch the ground
[18:26] <Kilos> pieter2627  dit lyk reg vir my
[18:27] <Kilos> when last were you here gremble
[18:27] <Kilos> our africa site has launched
[18:27] <gremble> When you told inetpro to find all the old people that used to hang out here
[18:27] <gremble> and then I made my page on the ubuntu wiki
[18:27] <Kilos> sjoe when was that
[18:27] <gremble> week or so ago I think
[18:28] <Kilos> before or after site launch
[18:28] <magespawn> good evening
[18:28] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[18:28] <gremble> Hey magespawn 
[18:28] <gremble> I have no idea
[18:28] <magespawn> anybody know about regualar expressions?
[18:28] <Kilos> http://ubuntu-africa.info hit refresh a few times on first page
[18:29] <Kilos> whats that magespawn  
[18:29] <MaNI> sure, what about them?
[18:29] <pieter2627> 'and helping people use it` feels like it needs something like `helping people to use it` or `helping people who are using it`?
[18:29] <gremble> regular expressions are turing complete and you cannot validate a regular expression with a regular expression because of the halting problem
[18:29] <gremble> I have never used them much in a programming environment though
[18:29] <magespawn> can you use the . twice or more in a search?
[18:29] <MaNI> sure
[18:29] <magespawn> as in a..2 ?
[18:29] <pieter2627> evening magespawn
[18:29] <Kilos> helping people who are having problems using it
[18:30] <magespawn> now that is cool
[18:30] <magespawn> hi pieter2627 
[18:30] <magespawn> thanks MaNI 
[18:30] <Kilos> in place of it put ubuntu
[18:31] <MaNI> can use it as many times as you want though you may find {m, n} better for that
[18:31] <Kilos> or even helping people who are learning to use ubuntu
[18:31] <pieter2627> magespawn: a fun site to test regex http://regexr.com/
[18:32] <magespawn> thank you pieter2627 
[18:32] <MaNI> there is also a quite big dedicated channel for it here on freenode somewhere - #regex I think
[18:32] <pieter2627> Kilos: `and by helping new and old to use Ubuntu`
[18:33] <Kilos> add efficiently
[18:33] <Kilos> superfly  help
[18:33] <magespawn> MaNI: i will see what i can dig up
[18:33] <superfly> huh?
[18:34] <Kilos> http://ubuntu-africa.info/join-us.html
[18:34] <Kilos> last list
[18:34] <pieter2627> * to use ubuntu efficiently?
[18:34] <Kilos> ya that can work
[18:34] <Kilos> helping new and old to use ubuntu efficiently
[18:34] <pieter2627> will also make it a new seperate item?
[18:35] <Kilos> oh i also had another idea with the site
[18:35] <Kilos> can we somehow add a welcome in french and swahili
[18:36] <Kilos> i can get the french translated but havent found swahili peeps yet
[18:36] <pieter2627> we should be able to
[18:36] <Kilos> there are over 3000 languages in africa
[18:36] <magespawn> google translate?
[18:36] <pieter2627> can't we use google translate for now
[18:37] <Kilos> no magespawn  much better to get proper translater
[18:37] <Kilos> if we are going to make a translation lets do it right
[18:37] <Kilos> google makes mistakes
[18:38] <Kilos> maybe leave swahili out
[18:38] <Kilos> elacheche  will do the french
[18:38] <Kilos> or we can ask melodie when she appears again
[18:39] <Kilos> the translations can wait atm i think
[18:42] <Kilos> pieter2627  try good translate with i would really like to visit your domain
[18:42] <Kilos> into afrikaans
[18:43] <Kilos> now it will most likely get it right
[18:43] <Kilos> it works fine with one word
[18:44] <pieter2627> good translate?? (i should translate 'i would...' with it)
[18:45] <Kilos> nee man it messed up a german translation the other day
[18:46] <pieter2627> 'ek wil regtig graag jou domein te besoek` with google translate
[18:46] <magespawn> are you planning to load different languages based on who visits ths site?
[18:46] <Kilos> dont forget we are translating to a language we dont know so better to get peeps that speak the language to do it
[18:46] <Kilos> sien dis verkeerd
[18:46] <pieter2627> oky
[18:46] <Kilos> magespawn  maybe a link or something to language choice
[18:47] <magespawn> you can have the site autodetect it based on the os and browser, i think
[18:47] <Kilos> like the drc peeps visited but didnt join till i emailed them in french
[18:48] <Kilos> we dont want to get too involved i think'
[18:48] <Kilos> the simpler the better
[18:49] <magespawn> check with superfly, maybe it is simple to do
[18:49] <Kilos> maybe just a link to a paste somewhere with the greeting in different languages
[18:49] <Kilos> he very busy
[18:49] <superfly> people are mentioning my name and then saying nothing. what do you all want?
[18:49] <Kilos> the trick will be getting good translations
[18:50] <Kilos> superfly  we are discussing adding differnet languages to the site
[18:50] <magespawn> superfly: how difficult is it to have ubuntu-africa in mutiple languages from a programming point of view?
[18:50] <superfly> ah
[18:50] <superfly> it's possible
[18:50] <Kilos> but you havent got time to scroll back
[18:50] <superfly> nikola supports translation
[18:51]  * pieter2627 is now beginning to like nikola :)
[18:51] <Kilos> like mali joined but only understand french
[18:51] <Kilos> luckily i got elacheche  involved
[18:52] <magespawn> could you use nikola to translate the site?
[18:52] <Kilos> but i havent found other translaters other than melodie
[18:53] <Kilos> not yet anyway
[18:56] <Kilos> hi drazoro  
[18:56] <superfly> I haven't looked into exactly how to do it, but I know that it's mentioned in the config file, so take a look at the documentation
[18:58] <magespawn> i will see what i can find
[18:58] <drazoro> Kilos, Greetings 
[18:58] <magespawn> Kilos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_expression more reading i know
[18:59] <Kilos> ai!
[18:59] <Kilos> nono man dont give me programming stuff to read
[18:59] <Kilos> i have enought probs hiding form the boss man
[19:00] <magespawn> no this is just general bacground fyi stuff
[19:00] <pieter2627> Kilos: where is that `africa(n)` spelling issue - found a lot of others but not it
[19:00] <magespawn> and this is usful
[19:00] <Kilos> near the beginning
[19:00] <pieter2627> that s/org/sub/ is the basic of regular expressions
[19:01] <pieter2627> beginning of which page?
[19:01] <Kilos> wait man ive even lost it too
[19:01] <pieter2627> haha ok
[19:03] <magespawn> i now now what grep stands for
[19:03] <magespawn> know
[19:04] <Kilos> its somewhere where it talks about ubuntu and kubuntu a more tradition/al system
[19:04] <Kilos> ive  lost it now
[19:05] <Kilos> get ubuntu maybe
[19:05] <Kilos> no today it looks different
[19:06] <Kilos> lets start at the very beginning
[19:06] <pieter2627> get ubuntu: step 1: kubuntu
[19:06] <Kilos> a very good place to start
[19:06] <Kilos> no it was an all in one story
[19:06] <Kilos> like a paragraph
[19:07] <pieter2627> 'is a more tradition user interface' should be traditional
[19:08] <Kilos> why does the first learn more go to 15.05
[19:08] <Kilos> how did that happen
[19:08] <Kilos> yaya you got it
[19:09] <Kilos> good man
[19:09] <Kilos> where did you find that
[19:11] <Kilos> im sure the site is picking up stuff from somehwere else
[19:12] <superfly> magespawn: it's often called "i18n" - internationalization
[19:12] <superfly> an "i", 18 letters, and an "n"
[19:15] <pieter2627> Kilos: Get Ubuntu page; Step 1 section; kubuntu description
[19:16] <Kilos> oh ya ty
[19:16] <Kilos> i think the chick with the 15.04 lappy might be a mistake
[19:16] <Kilos> 15.10 it has to change
[19:17] <Kilos> then 16.04 again
[19:17] <pieter2627> ??
[19:17] <Kilos> oh i see
[19:17] <Kilos> what is ubuntu goes to another link
[19:18] <Kilos> http://www.ubuntu.com
[19:18] <Kilos> or is that only mine
[19:20] <pieter2627> mine does too
[19:21] <Kilos> yay then ubuntu must keep that up to date
[19:22] <pieter2627> does edits are up at https://code.launchpad.net/~pieter2627/ubuntu-africa/layout-edit_Spelling-
[19:22] <Kilos> nee man
[19:22] <Kilos> jy moet branch maak van trunk
[19:22] <pieter2627> s/does/those/
[19:23] <Kilos> ons moet so min as moontlik werk vir vlieg gee
[19:23] <pieter2627> daai is van trunk?
[19:25] <pieter2627> ek het ge `bzr branch trunk layout-edit...`
[19:25] <Kilos> o is dit nie ubuntu-africa/trunk en dan ander branch nie
[19:25] <Kilos> oi nou vloek jy my
[19:25] <pieter2627> het het cd na binne die ubuntu-africa dir
[19:26] <Kilos> ok ons sal hoor wat se vlieg
[19:26] <Kilos> anyway ek val amper van stoel af hier
[19:27] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:43] <melodie> hello
[20:22] <melodie> good night
[21:09] <smile> Slaapwel :)