jjfrv8dpkg -l xscreensaver00:56
jjfrv8whoops, did it again00:56
jjfrv8I can be excused though, I think I broke my main desktop after a clean install00:57
jjfrv8not sure what's going on yet but after about six or seven minutes, it hangs, monitors go blank as if in suspend mode, but machine is just hung, not suspended.00:58
jjfrv8also, but not as serious, after a reboot, I get a completely blank, white screen and I have to click the mouse to get the login prompt.01:03
jjfrv8so, elfy, you can consider this a 64-bit fail on hardware (jjf-desk-main). The thing won't stay up long enough for me to file a bug and put it on the tracker.01:10
jjfrv8that's it for tonight. tomorrow... restore from backup :(01:11
Unit193Extras stats: http://paste.openstack.org/show/uNgVgE4ojXMsuEqyfBkz/02:04
dkesselelfy: could you please extend my xubuntu-qa membership?05:18
ochosihappy release day everyone!06:12
ochosii'll be out until the afternoon06:12
Unit193yey! :P06:13
ochosithen i can help with release notes etc06:13
ochosibut feel free to push those things ahead even without me06:14
Unit193bluesabre: Right, so that last xfpm you sponsored lost the lxpanel plugin.06:17
astraljavaHappy release day, peeps! How are we with the images? I was busy (and tired) yesterday rehearsing and celebrating, so didn't check the status. :)06:33
Unit193bluesabre: Looking now (with Lubuntu people), looks like changed deps. :D06:37
Unit193Oh right, you might want the log: https://sigma.unit193.net/source/xfce4-power-manager_1.4.3-0ubuntu2_i386.build07:00
Unit193jjfrv8: I'm expired too.07:03
elfyeveryone will the week after release 07:06
elfyif you mean to ping dkessel instead of jjfrv8 :p07:07
Unit193Bah, yeah.07:13
elfyknome: you going to allude to the image/vbox issue - or shall I do that on the wiki release note? 08:34
elfymornign Luyin 08:37
slickymasterWorkelfy, my membership in xubuntu-qa team is due to expire. Will I have a chance on another go?08:52
knomeelfy, not sure, feel free to put it in the wiki and i'll ask around if we want to duplicate it on the announcement09:28
bluesabreUnit193: dang10:09
bluesabreUnit193: I think the system tray is back in 1.4.3, they can enable that as a last second fix10:12
bluesabreoh, nvm, that looks like its in 1.4.410:13
bluesabredid the lxpanel plugin break in 1.4.3, or did something change in the newer lxpanel code?10:15
zequenceelfy: I see you did a new build yesterday. Anything useful for us on that one?10:52
zequenceI'm considering to mark ours ready, but just want to check if you might know of a bug that we don't10:53
zequenceOr, if anyone else can tell me :)10:57
elfyknome: ok 11:09
elfyzequence: the vbox restart issue is about all that's nasty afaik11:10
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bluesabreknome: put together some vivid screenshots if you want them https://www.dropbox.com/s/3e8sbe9zzq8t442/vivid.tar.gz?dl=011:15
elfyback from work - doing the wiki release note11:17
elfylooking like mid-afternoon releaseish 11:17
bluesabreneed to go get ready for work now, bbl11:27
bluesabrehave fun with the release :)11:27
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elfywell for better or worse, we'll not be getting many new tracker reports I guess11:53
astraljavaelfy: Are we in need of any?12:03
astraljavaI could head home and work a couple of hours from there, and run a test or two if that's the case.12:05
elfyastraljava: no - all's cool and as good as it'll get ::)12:09
elfythanks for offering though :)12:09
astraljavaOk, just checking. :)12:09
knomeelfy, mid-afternoon UTC?12:35
elfybelieve so 12:36
knomeguess i'd better do something before the in-laws crash in here then12:36
elfy[10:36] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Aiming for mid-afternoon London time, ish.12:36
knomewhat ever "mid-afternoon" means12:37
elfynot yet :D12:37
elfybuilt what I can for the wiki note now12:38
knomeelfy, did you pick up the new app versions from the pad already?12:38
knomeyeah you did12:38
knomeso which of the bugs would you "highlight" on the announcement?12:39
elfyI don't know of anything earth shattering 12:39
knomei would +1 the notes plugin12:39
elfyI made a note re vbox 12:39
elfythat perhaps12:40
elfythough I've only seen one random report of it from some guy :D12:40
knomewas it ochosi or bluesabre who said "just running the notes plugin" would fix it12:40
knomeimplying they know that it can happen12:40
knome(it didn't help though)12:41
knomedid we get rid of the shutdown/boot problem?12:44
knomenot the livesession, the after-install12:44
knomeelfy, and if you can proofread the announcement part on the pad, great12:45
knomethat should be pretty good now from my side12:45
elfylook now12:45
knomeyeh, i notice :)12:45
elfyyep - ack that12:46
knomeok, i'll move to web soon so it's i publishable state12:46
elfyknome: yea - that was the beta bug for a similar thing 12:46
knomebecause the livesession thing isn't worth pulling to announcement12:47
elfynope 12:47
elfyit's on the release notes with a note too12:48
knomei edited the wiki formatting and added a note about the notes plugin12:48
knomeelfy, http://xubuntu.org/?p=3106&preview=true12:53
knomeelfy, please preview12:53
knomenext the download links12:53
* knome sighs12:53
elfyknome: yep - looks fine12:54
elfycertainly works better with the site being 'chatty' and the 'wiki' less chatty just the detail12:55
knomethat's how i've visioned it12:56
knomethat's the COMPLETE download page code12:57
knomeuhm, except it fails with unicode :)12:58
knomeok, fixed that..13:00
knomeso you just need to copy that *all* to the text part13:00
elfyok - so if you're away at release - I can publish and edit the download page with that? 13:01
elfycool 13:01
elfythanks :)13:01
knomein-laws are here any minute13:02
elfyI'll be about so all bases covered :)13:02
knomeyep, ta13:04
knomei'll be checking the situation out now and then if i've failed with something ;)13:04
ochosiok, back14:53
ochosiso where do we stand?14:53
drcJust checked cdimage (for xubuntu), and it looks like the release is there.14:55
drcand the torrent is seeded.14:56
ObrienDavetorrents are up14:56
elfyochosi: notes and page are ready, download page will need updating - just waiting on infinity now15:01
ochosii'm wondering whether should mention the visual glitch with indicator-power15:04
ochosii still haven't had time to figure that one out15:04
ochosior to be more exact: haven't been able to reproduce it15:04
ochosiso for upgraders from 14.04, that'd be relevant (although it's only a small issue)15:04
ochosidrc: well the dark icon15:05
elfybug 1446605 ?15:05
ubottubug 1446605 in xubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "Power indicator icons are incorrect " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144660515:05
elfyif so - mentioned on the wiki release note15:05
ochosioh alright, hadn't looked there yet15:07
* drc wonders if it's connected to the dark/darker/darkest icons sets? (don't have 15.04 loaded to test)15:10
elfyochosi: did you look at the draft announcement? 15:14
elfyget xubuntu page updated15:27
ochosielfy: i did15:32
elfyfront page widget updated 15:32
elfyhating html taggy things I'll leave the footer 1 widget alone :)15:33
elfyjust needs social media thing done now I think15:33
elfyochosi: you'd better double check though :)15:39
knomeelfy, updated footer16:06
knometweeted too16:07
knomebbl ->16:07
pleia2posted to fb and g+16:19
elfythanks knome and pleia2 :)16:23
nerdistmonkHas canonical lost their minds? I heard through the phoronix grape vine that they are dropping .deb and going to snappy? any clarification on this whopper?16:35
holsteini doubt upstream is dropping .deb anytime soon16:37
holsteinthere is a snappy core project..16:37
nerdistmonkUbuntu's Desktop-Next moving to snappy it says16:38
nerdistmonkthats on phoronix16:38
holsteini would probably /join and ubuntu dev community16:38
elfynerdistmonk: instead of asking in here - why not ask in #ubuntu-devel16:38
nerdistmonkdid i miss something here? is xubuntu not taking in any changes ubuntu makes to their core OS now?16:38
holsteinor the ubuntu mailing lists.. i bet the dev list there would have archives relevant that one could publically search16:38
holsteinnerdistmonk: debs are in 15.0416:39
elfynerdistmonk: we've not heard anything - and we'd ask in an Ubuntu channel rather than phoronix16:39
nerdistmonkand im trying to inform you they plan on changing that in 15.1016:39
holsteindebs are in debian.. i think there is a misunderstanding, or assumption somewhere.. but, im sure you can find facts and details upstream16:39
nerdistmonkXubuntu is ubuntu is it not? or did you guys jump ship and xubuntu is its own unique thing seperate from canonical?16:40
holsteincorrect.. xubuntu is an official flavor.. but, this is not the canonical community16:40
nerdistmonki dont care about ubuntu the distro, i care about the OS im currently planted on (xubuntu) suddenly being incompatible with debian packages. Sorry if i was having trouble relaying this concern to you. if its a ubuntu only issue, then who cares, as long as it does not spread to xubuntu which is what im worried about.16:42
elfynerdistmonk: also - Ubuntu-Next is not Ubuntu 16:42
holsteinyeah, they are just different projects..16:42
nerdistmonkok then16:42
nerdistmonkpanic /off16:42
holsteinone can always make ones own buntu.. no need for panic.. its *all* open16:42
nerdistmonkha right.16:43
davmor2nerdistmonk: if you want to know more about snappy and the plans moving forward the best place is #snappy  but there are a lot of things to work out for a snappy desktop and all the flavours will be taken into account if it moves that way16:43
nerdistmonk<<doesn't care about snappy as long as it stays far, far away from xubuntu devel install.16:44
elfythanks davmor2 16:44
holsteinnerdistmonk: sure.. its just that, there is no guarantee of that.. upstream debian could go with something that would trickle down, for example16:44
nerdistmonkdebian has zero plans to dump .deb16:45
nerdistmonkthis is _all_ canonical16:45
nerdistmonkbut as you all said, its only on their side project16:45
holsteinnerdistmonk: i never said they did.. *but* there are many parts of the system to "panic" about16:45
drcI don't have to put up with this crap16:45
elfynerdistmonk: really - please go and find out the reality16:45
holsteinthere is also the offtopic channel.. more appropriate for dicussion16:46
ubottu#xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!16:46
drcI apologize...sorry16:53
drcI plead senility (get off my lawn!)16:54
drcThe 15.04 release looks pretty good...DL was fast (torrent), ISO burn to USB was good, USB boot was good, install was good (restart button worked, but didn't ask me to remove media...is it still supposed to?).16:56
elfyit should16:57
elfyit asked me last time I checked hardware16:57
drcThe button has worked (but w/o asking) for me since at least B2.16:58
Unit193bluesabre: Right, so how it works.  The lxpanel.pc file declared a dep on libmenu-cache-dev but 'lxpanel' doesn't declare this, so xfpm had to.  With lxpanel 0.7.1 this changed to libfm-dev and we didn't follow this (not really our fault, IMO)  However, adding that and rebuilding gives a ftbfs (linked) in the xfpm lxpanel plugin.18:46
Unit193knome: You want the honors in #x or do I?19:01
Unit193knome: xubuntu-15.04-desktop-i386.iso: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:8bc50171645e518b7008248336c2dec18d266490&tr=http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce - xubuntu-15.04-desktop-amd64.iso: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:a8db93f41d8d3fc0951302d5606d819c9f59e1d0&tr=http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce19:03
ubottuMagnets for Xubuntu 14.04.1 (i386) magnet:?xt=urn:btih:b84ef35a9dbf503703f069ebcdcfaedaee326c1c&tr=http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce (amd64) magnet:?xt=urn:btih:1b5fad4d440f07546fdf9e519b1f254352cd4680&tr=http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce19:03
knomeUnit193, feel free to..19:28
ubottuMagnets for Xubuntu 14.04.1 (i386) magnet:?xt=urn:btih:b84ef35a9dbf503703f069ebcdcfaedaee326c1c&tr=http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce (amd64) magnet:?xt=urn:btih:1b5fad4d440f07546fdf9e519b1f254352cd4680&tr=http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce19:31
ubottuMagnets for Xubuntu 14.04.1 (i386) magnet:?xt=urn:btih:b84ef35a9dbf503703f069ebcdcfaedaee326c1c&tr=http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce (amd64) magnet:?xt=urn:btih:1b5fad4d440f07546fdf9e519b1f254352cd4680&tr=http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce19:32
ubottu<alias> magnets-#xubuntu19:32
knomei thought i changed it.19:32
Unit193If you do it that way, !magnets will need updated too.19:33
knomeno, that's correct19:33
knomei want to change the alias, but ubottu won't let me19:33
knome22:34 knome: !no, magnets-15.04-#xubuntu-devel is <alias> magnets-15.04-#xubuntu19:34
knome22:34 ubottu: You are editing an alias. Please repeat the edit command within the next 10 seconds to confirm19:34
knomethen i repeat19:34
knomeand it doesn't change19:34
Unit193Off top -ops or -irc.19:34
knomei've hit this before, there was some workaround19:34
ubottuMagnets for Xubuntu 15.04 (i386) magnet:?xt=urn:btih:8bc50171645e518b7008248336c2dec18d266490&tr=http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce (amd64) magnet:?xt=urn:btih:1b5fad4d440f07546fdf9e519b1f254352cd4680&tr=http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce19:36
knomethere we go19:36
knomeedit to <reply> then edit back to <alias>19:37
knomestupid bot19:37
ubottuMagnets for Xubuntu 14.04.1 (i386) magnet:?xt=urn:btih:b84ef35a9dbf503703f069ebcdcfaedaee326c1c&tr=http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce (amd64) magnet:?xt=urn:btih:1b5fad4d440f07546fdf9e519b1f254352cd4680&tr=http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce19:39
Unit193knome: Going to update that then to .2?19:39
knomegimme the magnet links19:40
knomeor are they the same?19:40
knomebug 144779319:42
ubottubug 1447793 in Ubuntu IRC Bots "Can't change alias destinations" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144779319:43
knomebug 130953319:43
ubottubug 1309533 in Ubuntu IRC Bots "Can't edit factoids that are aliases to nonexisting factoids" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130953319:43
Unit193How about the fact that ubottu uses sqlite0?19:43
Unit193sqlite1 rather.19:43
knomeUnit193, you can file a bug for that yourself :P19:44
Unit193Needs people with more free time. :/19:44
Unit193knome: Don't want to make !magnets current?19:45
ubottuXubuntu Utopic (14.10) torrents can be downloaded from http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/utopic/release/desktop/xubuntu-14.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent and http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/utopic/release/desktop/xubuntu-14.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent19:45
Unit193(Don't correct that, it's auto updating.)19:45
ubottu<alias> torrents-#xubuntu19:45
ubottu<reply> Xubuntu $curStable ($curStableNum) torrents can be downloaded from http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/$curStableLower/release/desktop/xubuntu-$curStableNum-desktop-i386.iso.torrent and http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/$curStableLower/release/desktop/xubuntu-$curStableNum-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent19:46
knomeUnit193, LTS is the preferred19:46
Unit193./!magnets-lts ?19:46
knomeso maybe torrents should link to LTS too19:46
Unit193Can't due to point releases.19:46
knomewell, can19:46
knomei would prefer !magnets and !torrents for latest LTS19:46
knomebut i guess it doesn't matter TOO much19:47
knomebut just proves you should have factoid editing rights19:47
Unit193unit193@Sigma:~/Torrents$ getmagnet xubuntu-14.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent19:48
Unit193knome: Not when I can just have you and IdleOne do it! ;)19:48
knomeUnit193, there you go! :D19:50
knomeso whatever you do, tell me what is is19:50
knomei'm fine with !torrents and !torrents-lts too i guess19:51
knomebut then plz drop -15.04 :P19:51
knome(or in any case really, and make it generic)19:51
Unit193I'd really prefer it, but of course you're lead.  I like more generic too, else you get new factoid for every release. :P19:51
Unit193So xMir images up, -core to follow.20:20
Unit193knome: I remembered, done.20:37
knomewhat did you remember?20:37
ubottuMagnets for Xubuntu 15.04 (i386) magnet:?xt=urn:btih:8bc50171645e518b7008248336c2dec18d266490&tr=http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce (amd64) magnet:?xt=urn:btih:1b5fad4d440f07546fdf9e519b1f254352cd4680&tr=http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce20:37
ubottuMagnets for Xubuntu 14.04.2 (i386) magnet:?xt=urn:btih:a1778a5ee0f1a563e8fdfc4c79ad4f17a82a396f&tr=http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce (amd64) magnet:?xt=urn:btih:4a211f9547243f81ca7689539fdd4ccb0875e22e&tr=http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce20:37
knomeok, nice20:37
Unit193cyphermox: Bit late now, sure.  But did anyone test that eject fix in UEFI?21:52
cyphermoxUnit193: I don't know, can't remember if I did21:52
cyphermoxit certainly would be broken in vbox21:52
cyphermoxI'm not sure if UEFI would really impact the ejection21:52
Unit193qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -bios '/usr/share/ovmf/OVMF.fd' -boot d -m 512 -cdrom 'xubuntu-core-15.04-amd64.iso' -localtime -hda fat:/home/unit193/hda/  (UEFI locked down mode) didn't work on Enter to power off the system, but BIOS mode seems to work fine.  Granted, UEFI gets xubuntu-logo and BIOS gets xubuntu-text.21:54
Unit193cyphermox: Anywho, just noted, not really important I'd think.  Thanks.21:55
cyphermoxthe difference in which splash you get is not UEFI but the graphics driver.21:56
Unit193Only difference in command is dropping -bios '/usr/share/ovmf/OVMF.fd'  so I just called it that for ease.21:58
cyphermoxUnit193: did you use Try or Install?21:58
cyphermoxwell, trying now :)21:58
Unit193cyphermox: From syslinux screen.21:58
cyphermoxand did you go restart or shutdown?21:58
Unit193Shutdown (why did I type 'shower'??)21:59
cyphermoxI thought pitti had made some last minute changes to ubiquity to fix this22:00
* cyphermox sighs22:01
Unit193cyphermox: Sorry.  Anywho, it's after the release, so too late.22:01
cyphermoxwell, no, it's not too late for 15.1022:02
Unit193Right, anywho.  For anyone interested the "community respin", Xubuntu Core ISOs, torrents, zsync, etc. are: https://unit193.net/xubuntu/ for 32/64 supporting locked down UEFI too.22:03
Unit193knome: ----^ :P22:03
Unit193knome: I could get you magnets too. :D22:03
cyphermoxUnit193: locked down UEFI?22:05
cyphermoxUnit193: heh, what do you know, I also can't shutdown properly in UEFI while it works on BIOS22:06
cyphermoxmight be a ovmf issue though22:06
cyphermoxand now I need to accompany my wife to do some shopping, back later.22:06
Unit193cyphermox: Nothing special.  UEFI systems that aren't unlocked, using the MS key, etc.22:06
Unit193cyphermox: I'm not likely using the same version of ovmf though.  Heh, have "fun"22:07
Unit193Locked down = secure boot.22:07
cyphermoxI don't mind it ;)22:07
* Unit193 shrugs.22:07
Unit193knome: Soooo, what do you want me to do with them now anywho? ;P22:11
knomewith core ISOs?22:12
slickymasterwait until I finish to download https://unit193.net/xubuntu/xubuntu-core-15.04-i386.iso Unit193 22:13
Unit193slickymaster: Did a quick smoketest, everything should be good (didn't install it, but meh.)22:13
slickymasterI will tomorrow Unit193 22:14
slickymasterI'll let you know then what it went22:14
Unit193Heh, alrighty-o!22:14
Unit193(It's been tested before, just not this spin.)22:14
slickymasteryeah, I tested one before22:15
Unit193Got the mir images up too, but those are hardly worthwhile now, IMO.22:15
ochosi(late) evening all22:35
slickymasterhey ochosi 22:35
Unit193Howdy, ochosi.22:36
ochosihmm, so snappy packages22:39
ochosiwe seem to have a problem with elementary xfce darkest not having a theme cache22:41
* drc looks for his shot gun and rock salt shells.22:41
ochosialso, i'm wondering whether we should get rid of the no-headerbars patches for 15.1022:43
ochosiafter all, they're going to work fine with or without compositor in the next release (with gtk3.16)22:43
bluesabreconsidering how silly headerbar apps look with a menu or titlebar on them, yeah22:47
Unit193considering how silly headerbar apps look22:48
bluesabreguess there's no avoiding that simple truth22:48
ochosidunno, i personally don't mind their look in simple apps like evince22:49
ochosidoesn't work for everything or for all contexts22:49
ochosifor instance, catfish would work fine with headerbar22:50
ochosiparole not so much22:50
Unit193Well, GNOME says you're wrong and should rethink your life, so clearly you're wrong.22:50
ochosixfce4-settings-manager would work fine with headerbar too22:50
ochosithunar, maybe not so much22:50
Unit193thunar 1.6.7-1 uploaded to experimental22:51
Unit193xfce4-power-manager 1.4.4-2 uploaded to experimental22:51
ochosibut also, the much acclaimed "visual inconsistency" doesn't hit me as hard as it used to22:51
ochosii think with focusing a bit more on making them look even more integrated, it could be just fine22:52
ochosieven ubuntu/ambiance did a quite OK job at that for 15.0422:52
ochosibluesabre or Unit193: could we get a package for xfpm-gtk3 (aka git master) soonish?22:58
ochosii have run into a bug i cannot debug and the OP isn't very helpful22:59
ochosi(i dont have a desktop at hand, and it seems that is needed)22:59
ochosii'm really lost with that bug23:01
ochosisomehow upower seems to fail to provide an icon, which is sorta okayish (although i guess it could just return some basic fallback instead), my catching that and providing a fallback doesnt seem too work at all23:01
bluesabrethat bites23:04
ochosithe only time i was able to test (desktop in vbox) the plugin totally crashed, so i still couldn't reproduce the bug23:04
ochosithat's the last bug holding me back from releasing 1.5.023:05
bluesabreI'll try to get the package up tonight then23:06
ochosii presume you don't have a desktop?23:07
ochosianyone else here, desktops?23:07
knomei have a desktop23:07
ochosiwould you be willing to test?23:07
knomenow, or later?23:07
ochosiwell, anytime really23:08
knomei can do that later, ping me tomorrow pretty much any time23:08
ochosiok cool23:08
ochosiit's not hard to compile but ideally you'd need 15.0423:08
ochosicause of the depends23:08
knomei am on 15.0423:08
ochosithen it's just a matter of cloning, apt-get build-dep and compiling23:09
bluesabreor grabbing from a ppa, potentially23:10
knomebluesabre, i like that23:10
ochosiUnit193: any reason we don't make -core isos more official?23:12
knomeochosi, testing23:12
Unit193ochosi: Because they're on unit193.net.23:12
ochosiknome: you mean lack thereof?23:12
Unit193Not using Canonical infra.23:13
knomeochosi, they would need testing, and it's not clear how that would be organized23:13
knomewe could use canonical infra, that's secondary imo23:13
Unit193knome: It's had some testing over the vivid cycle by more than just me, FWIW.23:14
ochosiyeah, also it's not *that different* after all23:15
ochosieither way, we could still announce it on xubuntu.org imo23:18
ochosifor now, as an exploratory "community project"23:18
ochosiand aim for making it more official for 15.1023:18
ochosiUnit193: thoughts ^ ?23:18
ochosialso, elfy ^ ?23:19
knomewhat if we tried to pump up the discussion during the WW devel cycle?23:19
ochosiyeah, that i'd wanna do either way23:19
ochosibut frankly, the few times -core was mentioned on g+, it generated very positive feedback23:19
ochosii think there is an audience for it23:19
knomewhat we need to discuss is the meta side23:19
ochosiif we manage to engage them for it as a community project now, maybe we'd have them as testers later23:20
knomeeg. is desktop still our flagship (should be), what kind of testing would -core need, etc23:20
ochosisure, i agree23:20
Unit193ochosi: My opinion?  In the past I've wanted to keep it unofficial because I didn't want to add more load to QA, but elfy seemed fine with it so I'm with whatever he says.  He did indicate it could be left at milestone testing too.23:28
ochosik, so let's discuss it with him first here and depending on the outcome, we can do the broader discussion knome indicated23:29
ochosipersonally i don't mind using x.org to announce community projects, especially if someone from our team is involved23:30
ochosi(in case we stick to the status of "community project")23:31
knomeas i see it, core is more than a community project already;23:31
knomeif you remove something that makes you lose -desktop, you are basically running core23:31
knomeso it's not like some weirdo off-center thing that only geeks use23:31
Unit193Just some weirdo-geek made it...23:31
Unit193knome: Right, but there's no official ISO for that.23:31
bluesabreUnit193: we love the work that you sink into -core :)23:32
Unit193bluesabre: Thanks.  Also, the insanity I sink in? :P23:32
Unit193ochosi: So going to socialize it? :P23:50
bluesabretake it to the distro park to play23:57

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