[00:16] <Kamilion> man, it'd be nice if people would stop leaving before I had a chance to notice and help.
[00:16]  * ianorlin agrees
[00:16] <wxl> hey you two, this channel is for support!!!
[00:17] <Kamilion> I would have tried to support Ahmuck's missing battery icon, and talsamon's zswap issue, but they left.
[00:18] <wxl> i know, i was kidding
[00:18] <Kamilion> i am sort of amused at jay38478's password questions.
[00:18] <wxl> !patience | maybe we should respond to people immediately with
[00:18] <Kamilion> I hope he found the documentation.
[01:44] <talsamon> Kamilion, sorry a friend tell me, you have answered, i tested something
[01:45] <talsamon> it seems systemd has overwritten with his own partitions my swap, so I had no chance
[01:54] <Kamilion> oh
[01:54] <Kamilion> talsamon: o/
[01:56] <Kamilion> talsamon: so, there's two options you can go down; A: removing zswap, or B: swapoff & reformat the swap partition.
[01:57] <Kamilion> really depends if you wanna keep it or not
[02:00] <Kamilion> talsamon: so, there's two options you can go down; A: removing zswap, or B: swapoff & reformat the swap partition. Really depends on if you want to keep zswap or not.
[02:01] <talsamon> Kamilion, and now it was the daily disconnect from my provider, I download a live-cd and hope i could burn it with the tmpfs from systemd without swap and try to resize the partitions
[02:01] <Kamilion> grub2 can loopload from ISOs.
[02:02] <Kamilion> https://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-deploy/blob/master/resources/buildscripts/xengrub.cfg   Here are some examples.
[02:03] <Kamilion> the second menuentry is likely the one you would want to attempt to copy from
[02:04] <Kamilion> I stress however, it is an example, you will have to edit it slightly and remove some of the options that do not apply
[02:05] <talsamon> Kamilion, don't really know what zswap is , I never seen before, I think I had to accept it, its in the kernel
[02:06] <Kamilion> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10875643/
[02:06] <Kamilion> it is a kernel module; yes, but it is stored in an optional .deb that may be removed if wanted
[02:08] <Kamilion> the name of the package is 'zram-config'
[02:08] <Kamilion> if you apt-get purge zram-config, the problem should go away
[02:09] <Kamilion> zram/zswap is a method of compressing virtual memory
[02:09] <talsamon> kamillon no I have deinstalled this, but the warnings were still there , this is only the zram-config not zram
[02:09] <Kamilion> did you 'remove' or 'purge' ?
[02:09] <talsamon> purge
[02:10] <Kamilion> odd, that should have removed /lib/systemd/system/zram-config.service
[02:10] <Kamilion> oh, you said you updated, right?
[02:10] <talsamon> I upgraded from 14.10 few hours ago
[02:10] <Kamilion> from 14.10? Did you have a previous version before 14.10?
[02:11] <talsamon> yes
[02:11] <Kamilion> hmm
[02:12] <talsamon> I think I will try to resize the partitions
[02:12] <Kamilion> I'm unsure what you need to do to format the swap partition
[02:12] <Kamilion> I believe the process would be something like, use gnome-disks or gparted to right click and 'format as' type 'swap'
[02:13] <Kamilion> then opening a terminal, running 'blkid' to get the new identifier, and updating /etc/fstab to match
[02:13] <Kamilion> the latter part is more important, otherwise it will not be used unless you manually issue 'swapon /dev/sda5
[02:14] <Kamilion> let's see if I can track down the proper mkswap command for you
[02:15] <talsamon> ok, the way to resize it would not the problem, the problem is how much place I need , I can't be sure that systemd takes more space after this .. and if it works well
[02:15] <Kamilion> OH
[02:16] <Kamilion> OK, I have read the script /usr/bin/init-zram-swapping which is called by the systemd job
[02:17] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/hoICR/0297029f46.jpg
[02:17] <Kamilion> I think THIS is the mkswap that is failing with the error message that it must be 40KB or larger
[02:17] <talsamon>  Calculate memory to use for zram (1/2 of ram)
[02:18] <Kamilion> below that, where I highlight mkswap
[02:18] <Kamilion> I think that is the command causing your error
[02:18] <Kamilion> and we can see that is "mkswap /dev/zram${DEVNUMBER}"
[02:18] <Kamilion> thus, changing your sda5 swap will not make the error go
[02:19] <talsamon> seems logical, thanks
[02:19] <Kamilion> ok, so simple solution
[02:19] <Kamilion> apt-get install zram-config
[02:19] <Kamilion> apt-get purge zram-config
[02:19] <Kamilion> it is evident that some remnants of the package have remained
[02:20] <Kamilion> so put the package back and force it to remove it again, that has helped me a few times in the past.
[02:20] <Kamilion> this should also remove the /usr/bin/init-zram-swapping and /usr/bin/end-zram-swapping scripts
[02:21] <Kamilion> AFK ~10min
[02:22] <talsamon> ok, i try and reboot it, will back in a few minutes
[02:27] <Kamilion> any luck?
[02:32] <talsamon> Kamilion, don't no swap is not mounted
[02:32] <talsamon> '/know/no/
[02:33] <talsamon> now only one message from zram ureadahead:/usr/bin/init-zram-swapping: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden (file not found)
[02:34] <holstein> so, you have swap?
[02:35] <talsamon> on 14.10 a had a swap on /dev/sda5
[02:35] <holstein> so, you cant mount swap now?
[02:35] <holstein> what errors do you get when you try mounting manually?
[02:36] <talsamon> swapon: /dev/sda5: swapon fehlgeschlagen: Das Gerät oder die Ressource ist belegt  (device busy)
[02:36] <holstein> is it busy because its already mounted? and being used as swap?
[02:36] <talsamon> mount: mount point none does not exist
[02:36] <talsamon> mount|grep swap
[02:36] <talsamon> no output
[02:37] <holstein> talsamon: so, is it that the mount point you are specifying doesnt exist? or that its busy? or both?
[02:37] <talsamon> etc/fstab -->
[02:37] <talsamon> # swap was on /dev/sda5 during installation
[02:37] <talsamon> UUID=6350cb6c-6bd3-4154-b012-f57266eb77a1 none            swap    sw
[02:38] <holstein> sure, so is that still formatted as swap? if so, try mounting it manually
[02:38] <talsamon> if its busy I don't know, I believe the tmpfs-partition of systemd had captured it
[02:38] <holstein> i might just fire up a live iso, and look at my partition sructure
[02:38] <Kamilion> check 'free -h' to see if swap is non zero
[02:38] <talsamon> partitions
[02:39] <talsamon> Speicher:       2,5G       761M       1,7G        17M        53M       419M
[02:39] <talsamon> -/+ Puffer/Cache:       289M       2,2G
[02:39] <talsamon> Auslagerungsdatei:       2,5G         0B       2,5G
[02:39] <holstein> from the live iso, i can then reformat the swap, or, shrink something and make a new one
[02:39] <talsamon> Auslagerungsdatei = swap
[02:39] <Kamilion> looks like your swap is enabled.
[02:39] <holstein> yup.. looks like you may just be reading messages, which, are not a big deal
[02:39] <Kamilion> should be good to go once ureadahead figures things out
[02:40] <Kamilion> one or two reboots and that message from ureadahead should go away
[02:40] <Kamilion> if my understanding of how ureadahead works is accurate
[02:40] <holstein> even if it doesnt, it shouldnt matter
[02:40] <holstein> messages are just that.. not bad, necessarily
[02:40] <Kamilion> he was getting an error from zswap
[02:41] <Kamilion> [16:31:40] <talsamon> hallo I have upgraded some hours ago to 15.04 on my i686-pc. got this:init-zram-swapping[689]: mkswap: error: swap area needs to be at least 40 KiB, zram-config.service: main process exited, code=exited, status=255/n/a, Failed to start Initializes zram swaping
[02:41] <holstein> Kamilion: yeah, i read the scroll back before responding, but, thanks
[02:41] <Kamilion> k
[02:41] <Kamilion> it was pretty far back.
[02:41] <Kamilion> and sort of odd that he had to reinstall the package to purge it fully.
[02:42] <Kamilion> but looks like everything is operating within normal parameters now
[02:43] <talsamon> kamilion, you think its ok now?
[02:43] <Kamilion> aye, your swap is mounted, and empty.
[02:44] <holstein> you can check and see that its ok
[02:45] <talsamon> but I don't see it if in the mount output
[02:45] <talsamon> without if..
[02:45] <holstein> 22:39 < talsamon> Auslagerungsdatei:       2,5G         0B       2,5G
[02:45] <Kamilion> swap is not a normal type of mount
[02:45] <Kamilion> it does not show in mtab thus, mount will not list it
[02:46] <Kamilion> udisksctl status might
[02:46] <holstein> you can also use a live iso, boot it on your system, and run something like gparted, and see what is going on, and how things are mounted, and make sure things are as you want
[02:46] <Kamilion> but I think that just shows devices, not partitions
[02:46] <holstein> or, try gparted now
[02:46] <Kamilion> always annoys me slightly that gparted is removed when installation completes
[02:47] <holstein> its usually one of the first things i install
[02:48] <Kamilion> same.
[02:48] <talsamon> gparted listed the swap
[02:48] <Kamilion> when it's not around, i use gnome-disks, but it doesn't feel as comfortable to me, as a technical user.
[02:49] <Kamilion> if gnome-disks could resize partitions, that would probably move me over to useing it primarily.
[02:50] <holstein> i rarely resize anything from a running normal system, anyway
[02:50] <Kamilion> I resize USB drives often
[02:50] <Kamilion> internal drives, not so much
[02:51] <holstein> ive probably done it twice, in 20 years, or ever how long they have been making usb sticks/drives
[02:51] <Kamilion> but this is a topic for -devel not for support
[02:51] <holstein> Kamilion: there is an offtopic.. thats basically *-support for lubuntu
[02:51] <Kamilion> and so, I return to silence until the next person arrives.
[02:54] <dust> :)
[02:55] <dust> u did a nice support :)
[03:16] <talsamon> Kamilion, very thanks for your patient and fine explanation, very nice ;-))
[03:19] <Kamilion> talsamon: no problem; enjoy your desktop :D
[03:23] <talsamon> kamilion, I hope it will work, ... I am not really sure
[03:55] <talsamon> sigh rsync -v user@host:/any/path/to/anywhere /another/path   rsync: connection unexpectedly closed rsync error: unexplained error (code 255) at io.c(226) - never before on any system
[03:55] <talsamon> just the normal rsync command....
[04:01] <talsamon> oh that was my fault
[04:07] <Kamilion> heh
[04:07] <Kamilion> Thanks for admitting that; I've gone on wild goose chases just cause someone was too afraid to admit fault
[04:17] <talsamon> ;-))
[06:20] <fil10_> hello guys. have question about lubuntu. can i ask you?
[11:29] <orakar> Hey guys! My terminal bell sound isn't working (trying to make irssi beep when I'm mentioned). Any idea how to turn it on other than just in the terminal's edit menu?
[12:06] <aladiah> iam upgrading from Lubuntu 14.10 to 15, during upgrading it ask me if i want to keep or replace the personalized file config /etc/mime.types   whats is this ? i should rpelace ? what i will lose ?
[12:22] <choki> ianorlin: it is just a file which handles what application opens from which filetype.
[12:25] <aladiah> choki that message was for me ?
[12:26] <choki> aladiah: oh yeah
[12:26] <choki> sorry that
[12:26] <choki> wait
[12:27] <choki> aladiah: it is how i said, i would not much worry about that file. it just handles which application opens for example for files like .txt or .mp3 files
[12:27] <aladiah> iam trying to backup the file  and i cant because console aspect is strange not normal . maybe because iam during installation . this dont work sudo cp /etc/mime.types /etc/mime.types.backup
[12:28] <aladiah> choki t the details it give me is this http://paste.ubuntu.com/10878176/
[12:28] <choki> aladiah: yeah it is kinda same for me.
[12:29] <aladiah> i should say to replace then ?
[12:29] <choki> aladiah: i would better backup to an usb stick
[12:29] <aladiah> where i can find it in graphic mode ?
[12:29] <choki> or even better i wouldnt care about this file :D
[12:29] <aladiah> in wich folder i can find it in grphic mode ?
[12:30] <aladiah> i cant see etc folder
[12:30] <choki> what do u mean? it is in the folder /etc
[12:30] <aladiah> i cant see it
[12:30] <choki> copy the path in and press enter
[12:30] <choki> on pcmanfm
[12:31] <choki> or just open pcmanfm with root like `sudo pcmanfm /etc`
[12:31] <aladiah> ok i see now
[12:35] <aladiah> thanks choki
[12:35] <choki> aladiah: :D
[12:35] <aladiah> choki: this ubuntu 15.10 got less erros doesnit ?
[12:36] <aladiah> 15.04
[12:36] <choki> aladiah: idk, i still go with 14.04 LTS because is there nothing really changed
[12:37] <choki> 15.04 is like 14.10 is like 14.04 is like 13.10 is like u know :D
[12:37] <aladiah> blutooth dont work in mine 14.10
[13:52] <Saikoro> Hello
[16:38] <zombiehoffa> doh. I upgraded and now my lxpanel that was previously at the bottom of my lower monitor is at the bottom of my top monitor. I change the edge geometry in panel prefences (what worked before) and it just moved the panel around the top display
[16:55] <zombiehoffa> is lxqt ready for prime time yet?
[19:32] <suncokret> will lxde will be developed in future?
[19:38] <genii> As far as we know.
[19:39] <suncokret> does LXDE still develope now?
[19:41] <wxl> suncokret: barely.
[19:41] <genii> suncokret: Of course. https://github.com/LXDE shows for instance the latest change was about 7 hours ago
[19:41] <wxl> i mean bug fixes and things are happening
[19:41] <wxl> but new features? vast, and sweeping changes? probably not
[19:42] <wxl> and honestly "lxde" on github is mostly lxqt
[19:42] <wxl> git.lxde.org is a better view of the project as a whole
[19:43] <wxl> additionally there are an increasingly limited number of developers for lxde. they're mostly focusing their attention on lxqt.
[19:44] <wxl> if it's not clear, though, the future is uncertain. there are no plans that i know of to remove lxde from the repos, even when lubuntu is full-on lxqt.
[19:45] <wxl> your latest lubuntu is lxde, suncokret, so enjoy it! :)
[19:45] <suncokret> and tell me, in future if lubuntu go to lxqt, and we use lxde from repos, will we can use all programs
[19:45] <suncokret> ?
[19:46] <wxl> that's a strange question. if you mean with only gtk and not qt libraries, no. if we use qupzilla for a browser, you'll need qt libraries to use it. of course, you can always use something else.
[19:47] <wxl> the thing you need to realize is that each flavor is a collection of components that are meant to and have been tested to work together.
[19:47] <wxl> you can change things if you want, and each package is supported individually, but it's a little less clear how they will work together.
[19:48] <wxl> you can get support for such potential bugs, but it may be had to replicate the bug without a clea understanding of the makeu of your system.
[19:48] <wxl> for example, we recently got a report from an ubuntu user who is using lxde but with lxdm. i don't know any flavor using lxdm, so it makes it difficult to know how to replicate and fix
[19:49] <wxl> does that make sense, suncokret ?
[19:49] <wxl> if it's an consolation to you, lubuntu's goal is still being as lightweight as possible. currently, i think lxqt has a bit more overhead than lxde but it's a little early in development, really, and we will work to make the change to make it equally if not better than lxde at resource usage.
[19:51] <wxl> i mean we're the only flavor left with an alternate installer. the reason for this is because we expect low-end machines to be our targets. even though it has tons of difficulties for us, it's important that we continue to offer it as part of our commitment to being lightweight/low-resource
[19:51] <wxl> that being said, i'm going to go back to reading. need anything else?
[19:52] <wxl> suncokret: ^
[19:52]  * wxl disappears
[19:53] <suncokret> i understand... now also some programs need qt libraries to work, and with this libraries they work in lxde... so in future, we will can use that programs in lxde too?
[19:54] <ianorlin> suncokret: yes they will work but they could make things heavier
[19:55] <suncokret> and gtk aplications will work?
[19:55] <ianorlin> yes
[19:58] <suncokret> did you have problems to install some applications from synaptic?