[03:24] <Noskcaj> emacsen, What do you mean?
[03:25] <Noskcaj> We'll start the blueprints for 15.10 shortly, but most of the plan is just package 3.16, then see if we have time to package 3.18.
[05:57] <mgedmin> 14.10 -> 15.04 was a very smooth upgrade, congratulations to you all!
[06:20] <mgedmin> gnome 3.16, here I come!
[06:21] <mgedmin> hmm
[06:21] <mgedmin> Unpacking adwaita-icon-theme-full (3.16.0-0ubuntu1~vivid1) over (3.14.0-2ubuntu8) ...
[06:21] <mgedmin> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/adwaita-icon-theme-full_3.16.0-0ubuntu1~vivid1_all.deb (--unpack):
[06:21] <mgedmin>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/Adwaita/32x32/actions/edit-delete.png', which is also in package adwaita-icon-theme 3.14.0-2ubuntu8
[06:22] <mgedmin> yes, I know to retry; but it'd be nice if someone uploaded an adwaita-icon-theme-full with the right Conflicts: adwaita-icon-theme << 3.16.0
[06:24] <Noskcaj> mgedmin, Without the internet to properly check, my guess is there are extra ubuntu changes we need to port to 3.16
[06:24] <mgedmin> I assumed the file just got moved from one package to the other
[06:24] <mgedmin> so when you unpack them in the wrong order, you get a conflict
[06:25] <mgedmin> repeating the apt-get dist-upgrade worked fine
[06:25] <Noskcaj> I might have time to fix over the weekend, but hopefully ricotz will beat me to it
[06:25] <mgedmin> (because adwaita-icon-theme was already 3.16.0 at that point)
[06:28] <Noskcaj> Just checked, we just need to merge in 3.14.0-2ubuntu8's changes
[06:39] <ricotz> Noskcaj, will take a look
[06:45] <darkxst> yeh they kept moving files around within the packagaing!
[06:57] <mgedmin> huh, horizontal mouse wheel scroll direction seems reversed
[07:03] <mgedmin> it will take me a while to get used to the new theme in 3.16
[07:05] <ricotz> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=737175
[07:06] <mgedmin> I see: fixed upstream, but not released yet
[07:09] <mgedmin> interesting: I seem to have two gdms running, one on tty2 (where I'm logged in) and one on tty7 (where I see what looks like a lock screen)
[07:18] <mgedmin> oh, right, the mediakeys bug
[07:19] <mgedmin> what's the status on that?
[07:19] <mgedmin> because it's not fun when most shortcut keys don't work (and by most I mean PrintScreen, Ctrl-Alt-T, volume, lock screen)
[07:34] <mgedmin> haha, gnome-control-center thinks it's still ubuntu 14.10
[07:34] <mgedmin> is the version string baked into the logo image?
[07:49] <Noskcaj> mgedmin, Is that a ubuntu version or ppa version of g-c-c?
[07:50] <mgedmin> ppa, I guess
[07:50] <mgedmin> yes: 1:3.16.1-0ubuntu1~vivid1
[07:50] <mgedmin> ubuntu version has the ubuntu logo; this one has the gnome logo
[07:51] <mgedmin> (I haven't actually checked g-c-c after upgrading to vivid and before adding the gnome3-staging ppa)
[07:51] <mgedmin> as for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1427877: vt switch triggers this bug for me
[07:56] <darkxst> mgedmin, I fixed the g-c-c string in vivid
[07:56] <darkxst> probably never merged it to the packages in staging
[07:57] <darkxst> mgedmin, can you comment on the upstream bug with that info (for media key bug)
[07:57] <mgedmin> ah, didn't notice the upstream bug link!
[07:58] <darkxst> mgedmin, btw, the g-c-c logo is autogenerated at build time, but uses a static string, to generate the image
[08:03] <mgedmin> yeah, gresource extract /usr/bin/gnome-control-center.real /org/gnome/control-center/info/UbuntuLogo.png > /tmp/logo.png gives me the image with "ubuntu 14.10" baked in
[08:03] <darkxst> mgedmin, btw, with gdm waylandised, I think the gdm greeter lives on vt7
[08:04] <mgedmin> oh, is the greeter always running now?
[08:04] <mgedmin> my session is on vt2, gdm greeter is on vt7
[08:05] <mgedmin> vt1, vt3, vt4, vt5, vt6 are text consoles
[08:05] <darkxst> yeh I think that is right, gdm now runs under wayland, so guess it needs to stay open
[08:06] <mgedmin> I like how smooth the vt switching is
[08:06] <darkxst> I don't know why vt2, thats probably a fedora thing
[08:06] <mgedmin> heh, the wifi icon in the greeter is a solid white square
[08:06] <darkxst> not seen that here
[08:07] <mgedmin> is there a way to take screenshots of the greeter session?
[08:08] <darkxst> camera?
[08:09] <darkxst> pretty sure screenshots are disabled there
[08:10] <darkxst> otherwise I suppose you could try run gnome-screenshot as gdm user
[08:11] <mgedmin> http://i.imgur.com/NpdWZgw.jpg
[08:12] <mgedmin> huh, I now have 6 copies of gnome-settings-daemon running
[08:13] <mgedmin> each time I do the workaround, I get a new one
[08:17] <darkxst> mgedmin, I would expect 2, one for gdm and one for your session
[08:18] <mgedmin> the number increases every time I run gnome-settings-daemon -r when media keys aren't working
[08:18] <mgedmin> the number stays constant if I run gnome-settings-daemon -r when media keys _are_ working
[08:18] <darkxst> weird
[08:18] <mgedmin> conclusion: the bug is caused by gnome-settings-daemon getting blocked on something so it stops responding to key events
[08:18] <mgedmin> I'd like to run strace on it
[08:19] <darkxst> but it only affects media key plugin, so my guess would be a stuck grab (in mutter)
[08:20] <darkxst> well atleast I havent heard of, or seen other bugs that would indicate g-s-d is blocked
[08:23] <darkxst> although I wouldnt have though a stuck grab would only affect media keys, it should probably affect all keybindings?
[08:23] <darkxst> do things like <super>+L, <super>+M still work?
[08:24] <mgedmin> strace tells me 5 of them are in stuck in futex() and two are actually working (poll., read, recvmsg etc)
[08:24] <mgedmin> things that do not when the bug is active: lock screen, print screen, volume keys, brightness keys, ctrl-alt-del
[08:24] <darkxst> well of course, you can't have 2 g-s-d running under the same user
[08:24] <mgedmin> things that work when the bug is active: <super>+m, alt-tab, basically all window management keys
[08:25] <darkxst> mgedmin, just add as much info as you can, to the upstream bug
[08:26] <mgedmin> curious: I killed all my 'gnome-settings-daemon -r' respawns-but-the-last
[08:27] <mgedmin> then I killed the original /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-daemon
[08:27] <mgedmin> and after I did that, my gnome-terminal theme reverted to ubuntu purple
[08:27] <mgedmin> I still had one gnome-settings-daemon -r (the one with largest pid running)
[08:27] <darkxst> the keygrabber is a beast of a thing, due to limitations in X, I don't know enough about it though, to really understand what might be going on
[08:27] <mgedmin> and then another Alt-F2 r gnome-settings-daemon -r made the theme come back
[08:27] <darkxst> mgedmin, yes themes require a g-s-d running
[08:27] <mgedmin> so now I have only one gnome-settings-daemon
[08:28] <mgedmin> I'll try to strace it while I do a VT switch
[08:29] <darkxst> mgedmin, or ask on #gnome-hackers
[08:29] <darkxst> probably not many around now until monday though
[08:30] <mgedmin> I'd love to know if anyone can reproduce this not on ubuntu
[08:30] <darkxst> fire up a fedora image in a VM
[08:31] <darkxst> and no vbox doesnt count!
[08:31] <mgedmin> the strace is boring: the usual poll(), read(), recvmsg(), and then four write()s with the assertion failure, and then more recvmsg(), poll(), read() and the futex() that makes it freeze
[08:32] <darkxst> often the case
[08:41] <mgedmin> uh, what's the best way to get and unpack the source package from the staging ppa?
[08:42] <mgedmin> I know about echo deb-src ... >> sources.list + apt-get update + apt-get source, but wonder if there's something simpler, like pull-lp-source?
[08:42] <mgedmin> or a bzr branch that you use?
[08:46] <darkxst> mgedmin, I use chdist
[08:46] <darkxst> but if you just want one, dget <dsc file>, for which you can get the link from lp
[08:47] <darkxst> although if the ppa is installed and you apt-get source, you should get the right one
[08:47] <mgedmin> if I have the deb-src lines, but I don't think add-apt-repository adds those by default
[08:48] <mgedmin> my /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ is a mess after all those upgrades
[08:48] <darkxst> yes you need to manually enable them for ppa's
[08:48] <darkxst> mgedmin, chdist is very nice, especially when I am working with a few different ppa's
[08:49] <mgedmin> from the manual page I didn't realize it could help when dealing with ppas
[08:50] <darkxst> mgedmin, imagine a normal apt config in a chroot
[08:50]  * mgedmin -> lunch
[08:50] <darkxst> so each chdist you create has a sources.list and a sources.list.d dir
[08:51] <darkxst> you can even run installs in them, to check dependency issues
[08:51] <darkxst> (doesn't actually install anything)
[15:28] <zerschmetterling> hi all, how can I find the SMC credentials of a network share I have "permanently" configured as an item within Bookmarks in nautilus?
[15:29] <zerschmetterling> SMB credentials, sorry
[19:08] <bobthebuttblaste> is this where I go for support?
[19:08] <bobthebuttblaste> because I recently upgraded to 15.04 and then this happened: https://i.imgur.com/3RsCjje.png