[00:09] <t-ask> hi
[00:10] <t-ask> finally, I got the bq ubuntu phone and I have to say it's nice
[00:10] <t-ask> ;)
[00:13] <t-ask> I bought a SD card, too. but how can I format or add it to the phones memory... I can't find it in the settigns dialog
[00:55] <nhaines> Saviq: thanks, I +1ed the bug report.
[06:44] <PhilippeP> 'morning
[07:18] <dholbach> good morning
[07:23] <robin-hero> Hi! I use the rtm channel, but I want to try the vivid relase on my phone. My question: Is devel (not proposed) channel has QA before an image release? So it is more stable than the devel-proposed, right? Is it enough stable for everyday use for the main things (phone, sms, etc)?
[07:28] <ogra_> robin-hero, the devel channel gets a little QA but is also weeks behind and not bugfree
[07:30] <robin-hero> So which channel I need to run If I want new features, but it has QA for the main things (phone, messages) at least?
[07:31] <ogra_> well, thats devel, it gets a small sanity test before the image moves from -proposed
[07:34] <robin-hero> thanks :) using a stable release is very boring :)
[07:34] <ogra_> hahaha
[07:35]  * ogra_ likes to have a functioning phone ...
[07:37] <robin-hero> ogra_: yeah, I need to buy a used Nexus4 just for testing :D
[07:40] <ogra_> how much are they these days ?
[07:41]  * ogra_ wonders if it wouldnt be cheaper to buy a bq :)
[07:45] <robin-hero> In Hungary a used Nexus4 130-160, bq with posting fee is 210 euro
[07:45] <robin-hero> *200
[08:29] <bgd> Hi everyone! I have a synaptics with 3-finger-swipe capability (as shown by xinput list-props) and I wonder how I can activate that in Unity, so that e.g. I can change the workspace with it?
[08:30] <dpm> pitti, morning! Quick question: what's the best way to find out how many -touch language packs are preinstalled on the phone to estimate how many languages are available there?
[08:30] <ogra_> bgd, you might want to ask in #ubuntu-x .... this is the phone channel ;)
[08:31] <pitti> dpm: good morning!
[08:31] <pitti> dpm: hm, how about: dpkg -l language-pack*|grep -c ^ii
[08:31] <dpm> hey :)
[08:31] <dpm> ok, on it, let me try
[08:31] <dpm> thanks
[08:32] <pitti> dpm: but I think we still actually install all touch langpacks, so:
[08:32] <pitti> $ apt-cache search language-pack-touch|wc -l
[08:32] <pitti> 40
[08:33] <dpm> awesome, thanks!
[08:35] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday and happy Teach Your Children to Save Day! :-D
[08:38] <bgd> ogra_: thx
[08:41] <Mirv> Saviq: tsdgeos: you probably never got close to 30 solid reboots with the unlock-device loop, so I can stop and start tuning?
[08:41] <Mirv> if I remember correctly, you usually got it under 10?
[08:41] <tsdgeos> Mirv: yeah 30 reboots seems solid enough
[08:42] <ogra_> Mirv, oh, also please let tony know what you plan to do, we should get his approval
[08:42] <ogra_> (awe)
[08:44] <Mirv> ok
[08:52] <dednick> kenvandine: ping
[08:54] <dednick> kenvandine: unping :)
[09:04] <E524> hi all. i use the devel-proposed images, and three things, i really don't like and should be better. one is even not logical for the design philosophy  i think. where can i place these things best (not bugs, but more feature requests).
[09:12] <nhaines> E524: the bug tracker is also used for feature requests.  :)
[09:19] <E524> ok thanks
[09:19] <E524> i will have a look into it (never used a bugtracker)
[09:37] <Saviq> Mirv, +1
[09:41] <jgdx> E524, file against the project it affects, not ubuntu-ux
[09:41] <jgdx> E524, there's also this handy overview https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers
[09:41] <ogra_> jodh, hey, so we have bug 1447756 for the reboot loop issue now ...
[09:41] <jodh> ogra_: yep - investigating now...
[09:42] <ogra_> cool, ondra has a device that can reproduce the issue (but i havent seen him today yet)
[09:42] <jodh> ogra_: did the --no-log work?
[09:42] <ogra_> i dont know, i was asking him to test it last night, but seeems he didnt get to that yet
[09:43] <ogra_> we also dont really want to lose all logging of system jobs ...
[09:43] <ogra_> so it would only be for verification
[09:47] <E524> jgdx: thanks for the info, i am reading into it. one "bug" is not reported, now i need to find a good way to descripe it and make it reproducable for the devs.
[09:51] <nik90> Can anyone confirm if changing the orientation of *any* app to landscape and then press on the tab menu or header actions causes the app to crash on vivid devel-proposed?
[09:52] <nik90> example apps include gallery
[09:52] <jgdx> nik90, ouch, yes
[09:53]  * nik90 wonders if it is a SDK or Unity8 bug...
[09:53] <jgdx> nik90, are you filing? Since the app crashes I'm guessing sdk
[09:54] <jgdx> zsombi ^
[09:54] <nik90> jgdx: yeah I am filing now
[09:54] <jgdx> thanks!
[09:56] <jgdx> mpt, apns can be deactivated. How do you re-activate an apn with the current spec?
[09:57] <mpt> jgdx, what is deactivating an APN?
[09:58] <jgdx> mpt, force majeure
[09:58] <mpt> jgdx, I haven’t seen that film yet
[09:58] <jgdx> mpt, it's latin for NetworkManager
[09:59] <nik90> zsombi, jgdx: bug 1448017
[09:59] <jgdx> mpt, actually, I'll take it up with Tony. Not sure it's supposed to happen
[10:01] <mpt> jgdx, if NetworkManager finds itself with a cellular connection but no APN settings, when it previously had them, I would suggest (1) queue a report for sending to errors.ubuntu.com then (2) trigger the automatic provisioning
[10:01] <mpt> jgdx, the flaw with that plan is that the same bug that causes the APN settings to be wiped might also prevent it from knowing that the settings previously existed at all
[10:03] <jgdx> mpt, I have a lecture, but I'll be back.
[10:05] <EdwardMorbius> hi, about those snappy based images for 15.10, that will be only for Ubuntu Next? regular Ubuntu will not be Snappy based in 15.10?
[10:06] <popey> yes
[10:06] <popey> regular ubuntu = unity 7 based.
[10:06] <ogra_> but eventually it will switch ...
[10:07] <ogra_> (not in 15.10 indeed)
[10:07] <EdwardMorbius> thanks for the clarification, I am writing a review of 15.04 for a local Linux portal so I needed to be sure.
[10:08] <EdwardMorbius> but .deb will still work in the future when it switches to snappy?
[10:08] <ogra_> snappy is definitely the future for almost everything ... but when that future is there is still a bit open :)
[10:08] <ogra_> no
[10:08] <jodh> ondra: can you poing me when you're about please?
[10:08] <ogra_> deb doesnt fit the snappy concept
[10:08] <jodh> ogra_: ping even! :)
[10:08] <ogra_> ping
[10:08] <ogra_> :P
[10:09] <jodh> ogra_: sorry, keyboard fart
[10:09] <ogra_> haha
[10:09] <EdwardMorbius> what happens to external software if .deb wont work, that are currently downloadable as .debs
[10:09] <ogra_> EdwardMorbius, there will be tools to convert them ...
[10:10] <EdwardMorbius> ogra_ so the user will be able to do it himself, downloads the deb and converts
[10:10] <ogra_> but a snap operates completely different from a deb, snaps usually ship all dependencies inside etc
[10:10] <ogra_> no
[10:10] <ogra_> well, yes
[10:10] <ogra_> but generally the expectation is that upstreams simply add theirs stuff to the store
[10:11] <EdwardMorbius> that included proprietary software like lightworks and skype for example, skype is in the store but lightworks isnt.
[10:11] <ogra_> because rolling a snap is a lot more trivial than packaging a deb ... and the design allows completely untrusted SW
[10:12] <ogra_> so everyone can upload to the store
[10:12] <ogra_> apps are completely independent from the system too ... which means you can upgrade bot completely separately from each other
[10:12] <EdwardMorbius> ogra_ I see, if its easier than deb then probably there wont be a problem with getting external debs in snappy format
[10:13] <ogra_> i.e. you can run a 3 year old snappy desktop with the latest libreoffice and firefox
[10:13] <EdwardMorbius> updated applications will likely be greatly appreciated by people, as now we need to upgrade the whole system to get new ones or use ppas
[10:13] <ogra_> without ever updating the OS if ypou want
[10:14] <ogra_> and thanks to the store design there can be a libreoffice.EdwardMorbius and a libreoffice.ogra in the store ... no more PPAs needed
[10:14] <ogra_> you just pick the package from the namespace you want ... it all comes from the same store
[10:14] <EdwardMorbius> so people who package ppas can simply move their stuff to the store? that will be great
[10:14] <ogra_> yeah
[10:15] <ogra_> and upstreams can just dump their upstream tarballs into snaps without packaging knowlegde
[10:15] <popey> EdwardMorbius: note there will still be a deb based desktop in 16.04 LTS
[10:15] <ogra_> over time i assume you will see more snaps than debs around and debs will only be used to assemble the images
[10:15] <ogra_> note that the deb archive will *never* go away
[10:16] <EdwardMorbius> great, I think maybe all this should be posted on Ubuntu website or somewhere else that is "official" so people know more details
[10:16] <ogra_> and there will likely still be isos for the old install variant
[10:16] <EdwardMorbius> popey so snappy desktop will likely come after 16.04?
[10:16] <popey> no
[10:16] <popey> in parallel
[10:16] <EdwardMorbius> I like that :))
[10:16] <ogra_> but once snappy is *really* ready with the above vision, the idea is to have snappy everywhere as default
[10:17] <ogra_> so your robot or smartwatch run the exact same snappy-core your desktop runs
[10:17] <ogra_> or your phone ... or cloud
[10:17] <ogra_> only the frameworks on top of it will differ then
[10:18] <ogra_> and that is what i like to call convergence on a plubing layer ;)
[10:18] <EdwardMorbius> sounds great, plenty to look forward to in the future :)
[10:18] <ogra_> (convergence is so much more than just "aww, my app runs on different formfactors" )
[10:20] <EdwardMorbius> yes, it is future with all these devices now used, and more to come. can snappy be considered in any way "rolling" or "semi-rolling"? or OS layer gets new stuff once new versions comes out
[10:20] <ogra_> it is already rolling
[10:21] <ogra_> snappy rolls similar to the phone
[10:21] <EdwardMorbius> so snappy will transform Ubuntu in a rolling distribution, you install once and thats it
[10:21] <EdwardMorbius> in a way
[10:21] <ogra_> right ...
[10:22] <ogra_> though its even a bit different from actual rolling
[10:22] <ogra_> the core bits will be rolling
[10:22] <k1l> why am i reading "trolling" all the time? ;p
[10:22] <EdwardMorbius> core bits like kernel etc?
[10:22] <ogra_> but as i said above, apps are 100% independent from the system
[10:22] <zsombi> jgdx: nik90: that is similar to the bug when text input's context menu is open in portrait and you turn it to landscape
[10:22] <zsombi> kalikiana: ^
[10:23] <zsombi> kalikiana: bug 1448017
[10:23] <ogra_> the core OS ... ubuntu-core ... and the frameworks it uses (Mir, Xorg ... system level libs will be in frameworks)
[10:23] <ogra_> but apps will be updated when upstream wants to update them
[10:24] <zsombi> jgdx: btw, do you happen to know anything about the bug 1433590?
[10:24] <zsombi> jgdx: like do we have a new service for that? what is the status from that front?
[10:24] <ogra_> EdwardMorbius, btw, this conversation fits better in #snappy :)
[10:25] <EdwardMorbius> ogra_ probably :) but you guys told me what I needed to know, thanks :) I will ask more there if necessary.
[10:25] <ogra_> cool
[10:27] <EdwardMorbius> now I am off writing that review, have fun guys :)
[10:27] <ogra_> you too
[10:35] <nik90> zsombi: ah I wasn't aware of that bug
[10:42] <ondra> jodh ping
[10:50] <jodh> ondra: I've got a possible fix for bug 1447756. Could you test http://paste.ubuntu.com/10877646/ ?
[10:53] <ondra> jodh OK I will set up other phone to compile it and test it
[10:58] <jodh> ondra: thanks - I'm working on writing tests cases for this change atm...
[11:04] <ondra> jodh cool, thanks
[11:39] <jgdx> zsombi, I have no idea.
[11:40] <zsombi> jgdx: bad :(
[11:40] <zsombi> jgdx: any idea who would know?
[11:45] <jgdx> zsombi, the people discussing in the bug, I hope :)
[11:45] <jgdx> zsombi, specifically though, no, sorry.
[12:12] <sergiusens> ogra_: is devel-proposed busted
[12:12] <sergiusens> ?
[12:13] <sergiusens> ogra_: on flo I get Failed to start a new media-hub player session:  org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name core.ubuntu.media.Service was not provided by any .service files
[12:13] <ogra_> not sure anyone has tested or touched flo in recent times
[12:13] <ogra_> davmor2, ^^^ do you know ?
[12:25] <davmor2> ogra_: few weeks back I did why
[12:25] <ogra_> well, seems broken for sergiusens
[12:26] <davmor2> sergiusens: stop breaking things there is enough to fix
[12:28] <sergiusens> ogra_: davmor2 jhodapp seems media-hub is starting too early or locking; restart media-hub and videos are back :-)
[12:29] <davmor2> sergiusens, ogra_: might just be a race issue specific to flo I'll have a play this afternoon and see
[12:38] <jodh> ondra: how's it going?
[12:46] <ondra> jodh haven't had change yet, sorting one more issue here, but almost done, so will test it
[12:47] <ondra> jodh do you have by any change build done?
[12:54] <jhodapp> sergiusens, davmor2 I've been using flo a lot lately
[12:54] <jhodapp> it's really good for me
[12:55] <jhodapp> sergiusens, what were you doing when you got that error?
[12:58] <pitti> sil2100: the two syncs in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+queue?queue_state=1 are also mis-targetted, I presume?
[12:59] <sil2100> pitti: yeah, was just about to poke you about that ;)
[12:59] <sil2100> pitti: sorry again, damn, I'll never get used to checking the targets
[12:59] <pitti> sil2100: no worries, it's not like it's much effort to reject :)
[12:59] <pitti> sil2100: (done)
[13:01] <sil2100> pitti: thanks! I promise this is the last mis-target from my side ;)
[13:01] <pitti> sil2100: really, no worries; I know how easy it is to get the spreadsheet wrong
[13:02] <jodh> ondra: do you want a package or just a binary?
[13:41] <ogra_> barry, is system-imge-cli --list-channels supposed to work ? returns nothing here on either device/install i have
[13:43] <barry> ogra_: yes, it's supposed to print something.  try running with -vv and see if there are any clues in the output.
[13:46] <ogra_> barry, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10878729/
[13:47] <barry> ogra_: wtf?
[13:47] <ogra_> barry, same on both, RTM and vivd images
[13:48] <barry> ogra_: did dbus or python3-dbus change?
[13:48] <barry> ogra_: system-image-cli --version please
[13:48] <ogra_> slangasek changed the aliasing on the server, do you perhaps need to adjust something in the client ?
[13:49] <ogra_> barry, 2.5 on RTM, 2.5.1 on vivid
[13:51] <barry> ogra_: ah, i think --list-channels is broken.  can you file a bug?  i can fix that in si 3.0.  probably not important enough to issue a 2.5.2
[13:51] <barry> ogra_: (i think i could tell you how to fix it if you wanna hack the code :)
[13:52] <ogra_> no, users simply were asking
[14:04] <ogra_> barry, bug 1448153
[14:04] <ogra_> pmcgowan, one for the pool ^^ (low prio i think)
[14:16] <matv1> can I trust what iwconfig outputs in terms of the wifi network i am connected to?
[14:17] <matv1> I am asking because today there was a new request for wpa2 with peap, MSCHAPV2 on the mailinglist.
[14:17] <matv1> I reported a workaround in an earlier bugreport about that that I am trying to reverify
[14:17] <ogra_> i guess yuwant nmcli ... but yes, you should be able to trust it
[14:18] <matv1> ogra_ ok i will try nmcli as well
[14:29] <matv1> okay so my workaround in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1241986 still works
[14:30] <matv1> who can we bribe to get this pushed up the wishlist for a permanent solution though :) ?
[14:31] <popey> matv1: ---> pmcgowan
[14:31] <matv1> cool!
[14:32] <barry> ogra_: thanks
[14:33] <matv1> pmcgowan what does it take? ^^  :)
[14:33] <matv1> i have bottles of whiskey
[14:34]  * matv1 is thinking he is sounding irish
[14:35] <matv1> oh i have potatoes too
[14:35] <ogra_> so you could make vodka !
[14:36] <matv1> haha i just read up on the irish potatoe famin
[14:36] <matv1> live and learn
[14:36] <cwayne> too soon
[14:37] <jgdx> matv1, send me the whiskey and I'll try
[14:37] <cwayne> while youre up ill take some
[14:38] <matv1> haha how can i be sure you wont drink it and fail
[14:38] <matv1> coding and drinking dont mix in my limited experience
[14:39] <jgdx> matv1, no guarantees :P
[14:39] <ogra_> you think all these awesome napkin software designs have been made by sober people ?
[14:39] <cwayne> matv1, well you just gotta not pass the ballmer peak
[14:39] <mdeslaur> wait, some people code while sober?
[14:40] <matv1> LOL everyone!
[14:40] <cwayne> ive heard rumours, but i've never actually witnessed it
[14:40] <cwayne> matv1, https://xkcd.com/323/
[14:40] <SturmFlut> popey: Do you know who I can ask about QtLocation/QtPositioning things on the phone? I can't seem to find out who does what
[14:42] <popey> SturmFlut: not sure, that's a bit of a vague question
[14:43] <ogra_> SturmFlut, tvoss and mandel
[14:43] <matv1> cwayne you made me day. forget about peap/mschapv2 :)
[14:43] <ogra_> for the backend ...
[14:43] <SturmFlut> ogra_: Ah, thanks!
[14:43] <ogra_> for just the Qt/QML bits, ask the SDK team
[14:44] <matv1> on the serious side though.. we need to start supporting wpa2 enterprise actually
[14:44] <SturmFlut> ogra_: QGeoSatelliteInfoSource::createDefaultSource() is returning NULL on the bq, so I think asking the backend people first might be the right way
[14:44] <SturmFlut> mandel: Ping
[14:44] <pmcgowan> matv1, looking
[14:45] <mandel> Stskeeps, pong
[14:45] <mandel> ups
[14:45] <SturmFlut> haha
[14:45] <mandel> SturmFlut, you! :)
[14:45] <mandel> SturmFlut, I need to check platform api to see what is going on
[14:46] <SturmFlut> mandel: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/QtLocation.location-positioning-cpp/ states that QGeoSatelliteInfoSource can be used, so I naively went and used it
[14:48] <mandel> SturmFlut, I really need to take a closer look, I've been dealing with the daemon lately, can you report a bug with sample code? I'll try to nail it down asap (next week I'll be doing a lot of work with location)
[14:48] <SturmFlut> mandel: Sure
[14:49] <mandel> SturmFlut, superb, thx
[14:49] <SturmFlut> mandel: Which project to I file it against?
[14:49] <mandel> SturmFlut, lets go for lp:location-service and I'll reassign accordingly
[14:49] <mandel> SturmFlut, send the bug url my way and I'll assign it to me
[15:04] <SturmFlut> mandel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/location-service/+bug/1448180 , let me know if you need more information. I'm also subscribed to the bug.
[15:07] <matv1> jgdx it looks like I will be sending you whiskey after all ;)
[15:08] <SturmFlut> mandel: Okay, should have looked at the Qt documentation earlier, QGeoSatelliteInfoSource::availableSources() returns an empty list
[15:19] <mandel> SturmFlut, ah, ok, well, that should no be like that
[15:22] <SturmFlut> mandel: Which source should show up? The Android one?
[15:22] <matv1> pmcgowan thank you
[15:23] <nik90> mandel: while at it, could you also ensure that ubuntu location returns the correct source error while using the upstream property http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qml-qtpositioning-positionsource.html#sourceError-prop
[15:23] <mandel> SturmFlut, I need to talk about this, atm we have the nokia here and the gps one combined in a single stream
[15:23] <mandel> nik90, sure, can you add that to a bug hehe ;)
[15:23] <mandel> nik90, I'll make sure next week I tackle both issues
[15:24] <nik90> mandel: thnx..it will really help apps distinguish between users disallowing location access to an app and genuine location service error. will file a report now
[15:25] <mandel> nik90, makes perfect sense, if you have any other location issues, do add them, I have a full 1 week sprint on location coming up
[15:25] <SturmFlut> mandel: Okay, I'll add this to my growing list of "projects that do not currently work because an API is missing/not working as expected" and wait what happens ;)
[15:26] <mandel> SturmFlut, no no, add it to a bug and I'll fix it hehe
[15:28] <nik90> mandel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/location-service/+bug/1448187
[15:30] <mandel> great, thx
[16:21] <Se7> hellouu
[16:46] <robin-hero> Hi all! A quick question. How can I see when my phone last charged fully? System Settings only shows in days. But I want to know it in hours. Like 69 hours. Any command for this?
[16:46] <lolcat> robin-hero: days == 24 hours
[16:47] <ogra_> robin-hero, upower -d on the cmdline ... but not sure that does not also only show days
[16:47] <robin-hero> lolcat: I'm not sure about this, I think it show 2 days for 46 hours for example
[16:49] <robin-hero> ogra_: I don't see any relevant with this command
[16:52] <ogra_> robin-hero, well, there might be some dbus call to get the data or system-settins actually saves it internally ... probably kenvandine can help you
[16:57] <kenvandine> system-settings uses upower to get it, i think
[16:57] <kenvandine> via dbus
[17:18] <robin-hero> kenvandine: And how can I see it terminal?
[17:30] <dobey> robin-hero: 12:47 < ogra_> robin-hero, upower -d on the cmdline ... but not sure that does not also only show days
[18:44] <SturmFlut> I think a couple of months ago we talked about the File Manager or even the Content Hub getting support for network protocols like SMB. Any news on that?
[18:44]  * SturmFlut has lost track of all the things
[19:00] <kapiteined> Hi, my bq ubuntu phone has a blackscreen and does not respond anymore. any pointers on what to do. ( wait for the battery to drain takes a while... )
[19:09] <dobey> kapiteined: if you hold the power button for like 15 seconds it will reboot i think; if you have developer mode enabled you could also try connecting over usb with phablet-shell and seeing if something is using all the cpu or such
[19:10] <dobey> SturmFlut: file manager will get support for smb at some point, afaik
[19:10] <kapiteined> Thanks! 15 seconds did the trick!
[19:11] <SturmFlut> dobey: Okay, that was my last information as well. Thanks!
[19:28] <brunch875> argh the #ubuntu channel is so full people ignore my question
[19:29] <brunch875> luckily I get plenty of love here (:
[19:29] <brunch875> Hi guys! How's it going today?
[19:30] <nik90> brunch875: hello hello :)
[19:31] <nik90> Today is a fine day..weekend is gonna be awesome!!!
[19:31] <cwayne_> brunch875, AWESOME
[19:31] <cwayne_> you?
[19:31] <brunch875> GREAT
[19:32] <brunch875> except my computer is bricked and the liveUSB kernel panics boohoo
[19:32] <cwayne_> well thats less than great
[19:32] <nik90> cwayne_: so what's your next big scope coming up ;) ?
[19:32] <nik90> brunch875: with 15.10?
[19:33] <brunch875> with anything I guess
[19:33] <brunch875> it can't mount the root fs, I guess the hard drive is faulty
[19:33] <brunch875> right now I'm going to burn rescatux and wipe all partitions
[19:33] <cwayne_> nik90, open to suggestions
[19:35] <nik90> cwayne_: well personally I am looking forward to that keywords feature so that I can add softpedia, my own blog and other news sites etc into your ubuntu news scope.
[19:38] <brunch875> unetbootin stuck at 0%. Looks like the god of techonogy is mad at me
[19:41] <dobey> nik90: is 15.10 usable yet? :P
[19:41] <nik90> dobey: woops :D
[19:41] <dobey> i wonder if there's an image built yet even :P
[19:42] <dobey> nope
[19:42] <nik90> dobey: well considering we don't even have a name for it yet, I am not surprised ;)
[19:45] <nik90> cwayne_: ooh I got an idea...a trello scope pls...it would even help the QA guys since they use trello for tracking silo tests
[19:45] <dobey> i don't know that a scope would be useful for trello exactly
[19:45] <dobey> but i've started working on a trello app
[19:45] <dobey> haven't gotten very far with it yet
[19:45] <dobey> a native app, not a webapp
[19:46] <nik90> dobey: oh you have? That's great!
[19:46] <dobey> yep.
[19:46] <dobey> because i kind of hate the web ui for it, and i have to use trello :)
[19:47] <nik90> well the scope would be handy when you are sharing your trello board with other people and just want to quickly see the status of the cards in a scope.
[19:47] <nik90> for creating/editiing a card, an app would be the way to go as expected
[19:47] <dobey> well, maybe; i just meant i don't immediately see a good way to represent the structure of things in trello, in a scope
[19:48] <dobey> if it's just the "set of cards assigned to me" maybe it wouldn't be so bad though
[19:48] <nik90> dobey: well let us know when you have something up and running..would love to propose stuff against it
[19:49] <dobey> i mostly don't care to know what the status of my own cards are though. i want to move them around :)
[19:49] <dobey> yeah, i've been really busy and haven't had time to make much progress with it yet so far
[19:51] <nik90> yeah I can imagine
[19:51] <dobey> and online accounts stressed me out when i was trying to make that work
[19:51] <brunch875> oh oh! I found an ugly bug. Know moodle? When trying to download a pdf after login, the download always fails!
[19:52] <brunch875> I can't download my course materials :[
[19:52] <brunch875> also, the 'files' section gets stuck red and can't dismiss the failed "unknown downloads"
[19:52] <brunch875> well, can actually dismiss them; but only temporarily
[20:42] <muka> I hope someone will help me here. I'm trying 'avconv -f pulse -i default -f video4linux2 -i /dev/video100 ~/Videos/myTest.wav', to record video. works fine on desktop but no luck on the phone. here is an error msg: [video4linux2 @ 0x1a14640] Cannot find a proper format for codec_id 0, pix_fmt -1.
[20:43] <muka> I tried /dev/video0, video1... too
[20:44] <muka> if I want to record audio only, works fine.
[21:15] <dobey> muka: i'm not sure if the camera is accessible via v4l on the phone. i'm not sure the android hal exposes it as a v4l device.
[21:47] <studio_> hi
[21:48] <studio_> are m3u tested on ut and if yes how to play them?
[22:11] <studio_> is someone online?
[23:21] <Azelphur> Anyone know if it's possible to install qemu on Ubuntu touch and run an x86 guest on a Nexus 7?