[05:45] morning [06:34] morning diddledan [06:35] allo [06:35] how are you doin [06:36] good good here [06:36] same here , working on some lectures I'm gonna have to give next month [06:37] ooh [06:37] One about the use of cloud solutions for the construction industy and one about the use of social media for small retail business. [06:38] always a challenge to make the presentations very 'practical' [06:38] sounds interesting [06:39] the social media one would intrigue me [06:39] I have a bit of a soft spot for retail-related issues [06:39] I have a background in social studies so my approach to the social media stuff from the communications point of view. [06:39] nice [06:40] you only control the intention of your communication, never the interpretation [06:40] I always say : an IT guy telling you about social media is like a construction worker telling you about ballet [06:40] heh [06:40] and retail ... Well that is a challenge :) [06:41] A lot of the freelance consulting I do has to do with retail (and the hard times they are having) [06:42] And its more then pure IT consulting . Sometimes its a mix between sociology, economics and IT ... :) Challenging stuff but oh-so-interesting [06:47] So i'm using Freemind to map out the presentations [06:48] then I use post its to organise my slides [06:48] and then I make the slide presentation and look for images and examples [06:48] all cross platform .. except for keynote [06:48] :) [06:49] \o/ [06:54] just wish i had some command line tool to do some rough outlining [06:55] i love the CLI for the pure pleasure that it is distraction free === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [07:56] Any openvpn wizards? I've followed this https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-an-openvpn-server-on-ubuntu-14-04 and got openvpn running, I can connect to it using network-manager, it connects successfully but I can't get any traffic through it, all traffic is dropped at the first hop and never makes it to the internet :( [08:07] I use sshuttle for my vpn :( Wish i could help you out [08:17] Azelphur: there's a sysctl and you might need to tweak your nat firewall table [08:18] net.ip_forward? [08:18] something like that [08:18] Morning all [08:18] the sysctl is commented-out in /etc/sysctl.conf [08:19] diddledan, pretty sure I did that, it's in that document [08:20] yea, /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward is 1 [08:21] morning boys and girls. [08:21] what does iptables -tnat -L FORWARD say? [08:21] brobostigon, afternoon :p [08:22] morning Azelphur :) [08:22] diddledan, no chain/target/match by that name [08:22] aha [08:22] brobostigon, well, 01:22 :P [08:22] diddledan, I used ufw, does ufw modify iptables rules? [08:22] you don't have the relevant iptables module loaded then, mayhaps [08:22] interesting [08:23] Azelphur: good point, :) [08:23] yes ufw is a front-end to iptables [08:23] wonder what module I would need [08:23] if that is even the problem [08:23] you want the nat module (I forget what it's called) [08:24] ipt_nat maybe? [08:24] how would I load it? [08:24] modprobe [08:24] don't know my iptables foo :P === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [08:29] looks like I already have iptable_nat loaded [08:29] https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/BridgingAndRouting [08:31] yay, another massive long doc to read lol [08:31] I think I'll call it a night and attack it again tomorrow maybe [08:33] scroll down to iptables rules [08:34] Good morning all; happy Friday and happy Teach Your Children to Save Day! :-D [08:34] yea, I'll wanna read through that first though since I really don't wanna loose access to this machine while I'm in LA :) [08:34] save the world? [08:34] save the whales? [08:34] save the rainforests? [08:34] save the last dance? [08:36] In thanks for your assistance, I present to you a photo I took today of Americas hilarious attempt to do Fish and Chips. https://www.dropbox.com/s/nsyljlgcqwkr1om/2015-04-23%2021.15.58.jpg?dl=0 [08:36] err [08:36] is that real [08:36] yes, it is real [08:36] so so wrong [08:36] did you request it or was it actually a menu item? [08:37] it was actually a menu item, my boss requested it [08:37] that's just .. no words! [08:37] what flavour were the crisps? [08:37] diddledan, save the cheerleader! [08:37] lmao [08:38] diddledan, not sure lol [08:38] JamesTait: you, sir, deserve to win the internet with that response [08:38] This was in Dave and Busters, Irvine Spectrum, CA, USA :P [08:39] diddledan, happy to be of service. :-P [08:40] did you educate them as to the error of teir ways? [08:40] in related news, I hear they're doing a spinoff of heros? [08:41] oh no [08:41] is it called x-men? [08:43] foobarry, no I just sat there giggling [08:46] diddledan, I didn't know that. Do you have details? I might start watching TV again for that. [08:46] anyway bedtime, adios folks [08:51] JamesTait: last I heard they'd signed up the guy with the horn-rimmed specs (noah?) [08:52] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroes_Reborn_(miniseries) [08:52] mini being 13 episodes [08:52] there is nothing new in US TV [08:52] same old churn [08:54] diddledan, right, Noah. Might be worth a watch. [08:54] diddledan, thanks for that. [08:55] foobarry, I wholeheartedly agree, but I think you can drop the US part - there's just nothing new in TV lately. [08:56] i watched nathan barley yesterday for the first time [08:56] i was off work unwell [08:56] it didn't help [08:56] something about it made me feel sick [08:57] diddledan, the 16-second trailer doesn't give anything away, does it? :-P [08:57] nope [08:58] have you seen that game called after the rapture [08:58] done by the dear esther ppl [09:04] currently watching Arrow and just finished elementary [09:05] its the only superhero thing I can stand [09:08] I know lucy liu doubles as a secret agent in charlie's angels but I'm not sure even with that history qualifies as elementary being superhero [09:08] :-p [09:16] mental superhero :) [09:22] I watched the first episode of daredevil [09:22] not impressed [09:29] I didn't mind it === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:30] I never liked daredevill either so .. it might be that [09:57] is there anything I can do to prevent mucus production? it seems just crazy right now, so much, i have a cold obviously, but have to clean my nose eveyr 5min [09:59] there's medications you can take to dry your nose [10:03] ujjain: it might be hayfever [10:03] I don't know, I think I was too opstimistic going outside [10:03] not dressed too much, seeing sun [10:03] I get colds so easily [10:03] ujjain: try some 1 a day antihistamine [10:04] do they sell that in a supermarket? [10:04] yes [10:06] ujjain: yeap just look for the hayfever tablets, there are 2 types loza10 mg and citrizine- 10mg as the active ingredient they are pretty cheap so I would get a pack of each to figure out which is the one that works best for you. [10:07] ujjain: just one a day though [10:07] yeah sure, [10:08] we have a tesco near work I think, i'll search for it and try to get something like that, just 1 yeah [10:09] ujjain: cetirizine and loratadine are the 2 chemicals [10:09] I was close [10:09] http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=262736984 [10:09] ujjain: you might want to look at this and see if it matches your symptoms though http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allergic_rhinitis [10:10] ujjain: that the type yes [10:10] I don't get outside much, I do have colds very often, [10:12] ujjain: hayfever gives you the same kinda symptoms as a cold but it just keeps lasting and tends to be worse on dry days and windy days, rainy days will lower the pollen count, It tends to kick in now and last till september-ish [10:12] thanks by the way for thinking a long [10:12] well, it's just that I woke up today and yesterday at few times having to clean my nose, bit tricky sleeping again and now will spend 2-3 days traveling [10:13] so if I could do anything to relief it, would be great [10:13] the volume of mucus is insane, clean nose, reproduction very high [10:13] ujjain: try it, you'll know within an hour or so if it has worked [10:14] http://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/details/?id=282027318 or http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=262736984 [10:17] Loratadine, the least potent, but dirt cheap. Cetirizine, almost as cheap, more potent, also good in colds etc., but more sedative. Fexofenadine, potent, least sedative, but the most expensive (for now). [10:19] ok, on my way to tesco for cetrizine [10:19] cheers and thanks davmor2 [10:21] grrr .. finding a good cloud-based app to do mindmaps and that IS cross compatible with multiple operating systems is hard :) [10:24] knightwise: https://www.mindmup.com/#m:new don't know if it any use [10:24] knightwise: I think this is the one I was looking for though https://www.mindmeister.com/ [10:35] yep took a look at mindmup . Its pretty ok :) I found out how to save the documents in google drive [10:36] mindmeister has a good mobile client [10:36] but you can only make about 2 mindmaps with them [10:36] i'm currently working on 4 different presentations/workshops so ... [10:39] well you could have all 4 mind maps centred around you as a focal point in one BIG mind map :-) [10:40] knightwise: mindmeister is the one I'd used previously I guess you have to pay for more than 2 then right? [10:43] correct :) ... And i'm too much of a scrooge for that :p [10:49] knightwise: well these guys have to keep their staff paid some how ;) [10:57] post-its and close all the windows and turn off any fans for the cheap version... [11:00] knightwise: imgurl is free, just take photos/screenshots of the mind maps and post them there ;) [11:04] davmor2: erm ... they are my intellectual copyright :) [11:04] i can also just take screenshots and keep them on local storage . [11:04] the mind maps are the "scaffolding" for the eventual presentations [11:04] knightwise: then pay and protect it damn it ;) [11:05] LOL : [11:05] I have figured out how to do it with mindmup [11:05] i save them on my google drive and open them from there [11:05] but that would be such a precedent. probably need to go and pay for winzip if you did that... :-) [11:05] knightwise: fair enough :) [11:06] zmoylan-pi: and then next the operating system that you use [11:06] * zmoylan-pi stands up and says 'i'm a freeloading gobdaw and proud of it!!' :-) [11:12] That WOULD shock the internets [11:12] paying for winzip ! [11:15] pkzip ftw! [11:17] I wonder why nobody has released a zip program called "zippy zip zip" [11:17] i found an old cd backup I'd burned in 1997, which contained all collection of compression tools [11:17] arj, lharc, pkzip, pkarc etc [11:17] arj and lharc, now those are esoteric [11:18] first one i used was pak [11:18] popey: no cpio? [11:19] cpio is still useful for initrds [11:20] no, i didnt have cpio or tar back then [11:21] popey: slacker ;) [11:25] yey for issue reply - I wrote: "please test the kahunas out of this - while it seems to be working for me, I'm unconvinced due to the relative ease it seemed to be to get it to do - I'm perfectly willing to accept that I'm a genius though ;-)." [11:27] i suspect if i search this system i'll find pkzip 2.04g exe somewhere on it... :-) [11:28] Winrar ftw è [11:36] Bah : lvmcache doesn't work on root partition (well, it does, but you can never boot it again...) : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lvm2/+bug/1423796 [11:36] Ubuntu bug 1423796 in lvm2 (Ubuntu) "Unable to mount lvmcache root device at boot time" [High,Confirmed] === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [12:44] i thought chrome was sandboxed and never crashed the whole app? thats gubbins [12:45] hmm dropbox now seem to want me to sign in just to download a file from link sent. that's... annoying [12:45] almost as bad as pinterest [12:45] enough to make me stop using the [12:45] *them [12:56] ujjain: how are you feeling now? [12:56] my nose is clearer, still high mocus production, but it's better [12:56] \o/ [12:56] hehe thanks [13:48] yey, pay's gone-in [13:48] I has money [13:49] y'all aren't getting any of it tho! :-p [13:52] diddledan: aww pwease [13:52] *puppy-dog eyes* [13:53] * diddledan sets aboutpaying bills [13:53] and taking MartijnVdS to vet? [13:55] hello MartijnVdS don't hear from you much nowadays [13:55] new job? [13:55] lots of busy at work [13:55] yeah, new job since.. 1.5 years now 8-) [14:23] phoo that's the accountancy stuff done [14:23] doing the books is a pain [14:40] :( [14:40] that reminds me, i'm still in denial about doing last years tax return [14:40] lol [14:40] do you get until january to file it? [14:43] well, they've not actually finalised 2013's yet =/ [14:43] our gov is majorly behind [14:44] i think they usually say April odd === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [14:51] on the mainland we have tax-year ending somewhen around the first week of april and then for self-assessment income tax you have until january 31st to file your return [14:52] you couldn't expect accountants to do paperwork with christmas party hangover and photocopiers still broken from same party :-) [14:53] zmoylan-pi: yeah photocopier breakage is commonplace I hear, due to bottom-scanning [14:53] and people are getting bigger [14:53] and booze is getting cheaper [14:54] ;) [14:54] surely it isn't... [14:55] tories just reduce beer tax [14:55] reduced** [14:55] well if you count the toilet duck knockoffs at aldi and lidl :-) [14:55] heh, those shops don't exist down here [14:56] i was really blown away stepping into one in Portsmouth though, feels like you're walking into somewhere in Europe [14:56] daftykins: wash your mouth out ;) [14:57] I visited spain back around 1999 and one shop had straw on the floor [14:57] I think they decided against normal flooring [14:57] you walk in for some cornflakes and leave with a cheap arc welder as well :-) [14:58] zmoylan-pi: I'm not sure that's what it's meant for [14:58] yeah, i don't like their knock off cornflakes either :-D [14:58] I mean yes technically the extension cord can be used to weld things due to it's shoddy craftmanship but it's not actually a real arc0welder [15:10] XD [16:05] Ok : trying to set up a VM with both i) LUKS and ii) lvmcache [16:05] Have a feeling I'm layering it the wrong way [16:06] What I'm doing at present is installing Vivid with encryption on, then applying lvmcache [16:06] It refuses to boot [16:10] Forming a plan [16:26] upgraded to 15.04 final release, but wifi now seems to be dropping out at random [16:26] the driver is rt61pci [16:34] Whaaat. [16:34] Installed Synaptic in 15.04. The quick filter box has gone. [16:35] * awilkins has a big strop [16:36] Oh, ok, an apt-get update and a restart has fixed it [16:36] *phew* [16:36] lol [16:37] I remember thinking that a couple of cycles ago [16:37] I was thinking "WHat have those crazy GNOME devs done now?" [16:37] SIMPLIFIED UI [16:37] IT'S FOR YOUR OWN GOOD [16:38] :D [16:41] Ok, so trying to do lvmcache / dm-cache on no-encryption Ubuntu didn't work either [16:41] So I'm doing something wrong [16:41] Following the instructions for Debian Jessie that people helpfully posted like this one : http://www.bradfordembedded.com/2015/03/lvmcache/ [16:42] Oh, ok [16:43] "Incompatible libdevmapper and kernel driver" [16:51] trying a different wifi adaptor, rt73usb, otherwise it's annoying to have the network drop out every few minues [16:52] only seems to happen on 15.04 [16:54] awilkins: you are following a debian plan and expecting it to just work on Ubuntu how crazy are you ;) [16:56] well ubuntu is just debian with some fancy UI :) [17:02] heh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1m71msel2Q [17:04] it's not rolling release afaik [17:15] bashrc: I really despise those videos [17:17] diddledan: you're gonna love this, hostpapa got back to my mate about the cookie.js file [17:17] oh yeah? [17:17] they're asking for... *drumroll* his home IP to unblock via mod_security or some such 0o [17:18] how will that help for random visitors? [17:18] indeed. plus we're on dynamic IPs over here [17:18] i'm starting to think he should move to a competent host / VPS [17:18] does everyone who wants to see his site have to know ahead of time to tell hostpapa that they're dropping-by? [17:19] only if they want to log in and see the menu it seems :D [17:19] craycray [17:25] t'other pc is going down in a mo for yesterday evening's win10 build install [17:26] ooh-err [17:27] well the network is still up, I suspect there may be some kernel driver snafu with my other adaptor [17:29] * bashrc resumes battle with emacs [17:31] is it april the 1st? http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2015/04/nasa-may-have-accidentally-developed-a-warp-drive/ [17:33] why does "ubuntu-bug krita" report a bug against calligra? [17:33] what even is calligra? [17:34] calligra is a drawing prog? [17:34] kde office suite afaik [17:46] and we're in the reboot loop [17:46] (win10 install) [17:46] "your pc needs to restart several times.........." [17:48] :D [17:48] with the circular %? [17:48] yup [17:48] "sit back and relax" [17:48] lul mates hosting co. came back again "please give us your IP to check and disable the rules" [17:49] they won't even explain themselves 0o [17:49] they suck [17:49] i think he's understanding why he's paying so little now [17:49] it seems to be the sanest option to find a small outfit who'll admin a vps for you which is entirely dedicated to you [17:50] what do you mean "explain themselves" [17:50] it's a very simple request [17:50] as to why they're blocking a single .js file on my mates site [17:50] it 404s when you try to view it :) [17:51] url? [17:51] you not seen a 404 before? :P [17:51] no [17:51] failwhale [17:52] http://test2.multilingualhub.com/misc/jquery.cookie.js [17:53] it really is there [17:53] we've verified that the file exists (well, daftykins did) [17:53] so what i'm saying is his host does not explain why they block a single file [17:54] they don't [17:54] it's mod_security [17:54] they told you that [17:54] i feel like you're just slicing hairs really [17:54] and oddly they're asking my mate for his home IP which isn't going to solve much for someone on dynamic [17:54] or random bypassers [17:55] they want to whitelist him to see if it fixes the problem [17:55] it's a public file whose lack of oading breaks the site [17:55] they want to whitelist him in mod_security which is part of drupal and therefore technically not their problem [17:55] i don't see why it's setup to be blocked at all [17:55] mod_security is NOT part of drupal [17:56] mod_security is an apache thing [17:56] seems to me that they've gone above and beyond to try to solve the problem in the software that your mate chose, and all you can do is slag them off for it? [17:56] diddledan so it is [17:56] *blink* [17:56] then i guess their site is just plain broken [17:56] not sure why you're so quick to defend them [17:57] same reason that you're quick to attack them? [17:57] well no because there's been a lengthy to and fro between him and the host already [17:57] but probably because i have too much experience dealing with the mess caused by people installing CMS systems that they have no idea how to use [17:57] you're attempting to judge on limited information which is a little strange to be honest [17:58] heh, well that's a given here because he is new to it and i did warn against this approach [17:59] https://www.drupal.org/node/522646 lol [18:00] get a better host [18:00] heh [18:00] given it's a mates issue i hadn't even considered searching about it, in fact he'd already posted the issue to their support forum afaiui [18:02] if you're feeling bored give them your IP and then complain it doesn't work on your friends computer [18:02] repeat until you or they get fed up [18:04] the people they hire on tech support these days aren't smart enough to get fed up. otherwise they'd never show up to work :-P [18:04] so the upstream fixed it 4 years ago. wtf out-dated operating system and ruleset version are hostpapa running?! [18:05] :D [18:06] I'm betting they're using Red Hat 7.3 [18:06] ali1234: well, thanks for sharing that :D [18:06] hmm i could ask him to ask on the next reply [18:06] diddledan i doubt they paid for it. it will be centos [18:06] (7.3 is circa 1999) [18:07] ali1234: no, they're running pre-centos [18:07] :-p [18:07] i kind of doubt that too [18:07] teehee === dwd is now known as dwd-xmpp [18:08] did upstream (mod_security) really fix it? [18:08] drupal can't fix it, they can only provide a workaround [18:08] according to that thread [18:09] i can't see where it says that [18:09] https://www.drupal.org/node/522646#comment-3593238 [18:09] every single offsite link in the thread is broken [18:10] yeah that 404s [18:11] trust him to find an issue tbh :D [18:11] well 5 years is a long time to keep a url in-sync (though I'm a proponent of always ensuring urls point in the right place via redirects on obsolete addresses) [18:13] so I went ahead and plundered my piggy bank for 3 new 3TB drives [18:14] couldn't quite justify 4TB ones [18:14] plus. amazon were out of stock of 4TB REDs [18:15] gonna have a fun sunday afternoon replacing one drive at a time [18:15] (I went for the delivery tomorrow) [18:16] :D [18:16] I accidentally matched them with a set of ECC rams, per m0nkey_'s insistence [18:16] haha [18:17] now you just need to set up the laser beams and bells attached to trip wires to prevent the 'while you were out cards' ninja deliveries... [18:17] that's a good idea when there's no proper funky RAID setup [18:17] lol [18:17] ugh i dobbed in the postie at my parents place when one did that [18:17] ring the doorbell and RUN! [18:17] why is the postman standing on the road 10foot from house with a long pointy stick... [18:18] zmoylan-pi: long pointy sticks ftw [18:18] * diddledan_ waves his long pointy stick in all your faces [18:18] you may mean the finglonger - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P1bu4HUAMs [18:18] lol [18:19] no the finglonger involves the deaths of too many, the long pointy stick is good enough :-P [18:20] should I put the lasers on sharks' heads (for the interception of delivery guys) [18:21] only if you can arrange a trip wire that drops them on the delivery guy without voiding the warranty of the drives been delivered... [18:21] ah [18:21] good point [18:21] hmm [18:21] now I'm stuck in a quandry [18:21] once you add sharks it's hard to make the warranties survive g shock or moisture exposure... [18:22] and of course explosions of scube gear [18:22] yeah, but without the sharks the delivery guy gets away [18:22] perhaps squid are more grabby... [18:22] hmm [18:22] that's a good thought [18:23] and the massive tentacles wrapped around front door won't give the game away. a simple plant card saying it's squid ivy... [18:24] diddledan_, motherboard and cpu support ECC I hope. [18:25] m0nkey_: according to the guaranteed compatibility on crucial's selector wizard [18:25] if not I'll ljust send it back and claim my refund [18:26] diddledan: www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDW0ZnZxjn4 [18:26] lol [18:28] what CPU? [18:29] bulldozer [18:29] ah, you'll be okay then [18:30] a buddy of mine has one with ECC [18:30] first gen 8core thingy [18:30] welcome to the ECC master race [18:31] ooh they've disabled the mod_security rule [18:40] and windows 10 is running [18:40] for /levels/ of 'running' :-P [18:42] gotta install a firmware update by the looks - brb - this one will (should) be mucho quicker..o [18:42] * zmoylan-pi starts betting pool on how long... [18:44] back [18:44] * zmoylan-pi pays the winner [18:45] * diddledan fires up spartan [18:45]