[00:09] * zmoylan-pi tests if it was the iron enriched corn by preparing the giant acme magnet... [00:09] * daftykins slides along the ground toward zmoylan-pi [00:09] thank goodness for free shipping :-P [00:10] * zmoylan-pi reverses the polarity at the thought of daftykins approaching... [00:10] ;_; [00:11] * zmoylan-pi puts out free bagels to console daftykins [00:13] and treats for my cat? she was in my arms at the time [00:14] she's a cat, she'll want some of whatever you're eating right up to the point of eating it. [00:15] :> [00:16] perhaps she'll eat the holes [00:18] of course some cats love cheese [00:18] o0 [00:19] she decorated the floor around me whilst i was poised on the tip of my sofa playing a game online with friends, Friday night [00:19] i could only reach to push her off the rug at least :P [00:19] and one of our cats adored porridge [00:19] warm milky porridge [00:25] perfect brekkie before a long morning snooze [00:28] which lasts until lunch [00:34] then a light lunch preceding the afternoon snooze [00:40] which lasts until dinner [00:41] or tea time depending on wether you're working class/middle class [00:42] then if it's winter camping out to sleep as close to fireplace as is possible [00:43] yep, my type of life [00:44] i swear if the fireplace we had didn't have a glass door on the front she'd have climbed in sometimes [00:45] she sat so close that her nose had a tiny scar from touching the glass when she started to doze off [00:45] haha [00:46] :D d'aww [00:46] then after her fur got too hot to touch she'd fall asleep under sofa till she cooled down [00:46] she was basically a huge heat sink in the house... :-) [00:47] gah just missed a photo op of my cat using the TV remotes as a pillow [00:47] :D === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [06:37] morning everyone === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [08:36] Good morning all [08:37] Anyone can help me understand why I have to boot in recovery mode and then resume normal boot to be able to start X in Ubuntu 15.04? If I start without the recovery step the screen remains blank [08:38] Can anyone* and please* [08:43] I guess it's a bit early on a Sunday to start asking that sort of question [09:22] morning boys and girls. === shauno__ is now known as shauno === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [11:31] Testing Bioshock infinite on 15.04 after update, if I manage to start the system [11:32] It worked at first, although I'm not sure how it managed to send the output onto the hdmi even though analogue was selected [11:32] I then quit the game and fiddled with the sound settings, restarted the game and Pc froze [11:34] After a hard reboot video output is not visible, I can reboot by going to a tty, I don't see anything though, I just remember the sequence [11:37] Then I boot into recovery mode, select resume normal boot and video starts like nothing ever happened. Is there a logical explanation to this? [11:37] If I select normal boot procedure from Grub I just get a black screen [11:39] Perhaps logic died with Leonard Nimoy [11:40] Anyways someone yesterday asked if Bioshock infinite worked after 15.04 update, the answer is yes [11:41] Although it freezes it seems [11:42] ST4 5* 13:15 === lan3y is now known as Laney [11:46] After a few seconds of game play, [11:47] It froze and I had to reboot [12:23] Jessie seems to work [12:27] in general or for bioshock infinite? [12:30] generally [12:30] i just saw someone say that NFS mounts don't work properly [12:30] perfectly normal behaviour for NFS [12:31] but that was on raspberry pi so who knows what hacked up version they are using [12:31] well DBTS says it is supposed to be fixed [12:31] or are you just making a joke about NFS being rubbish? [12:31] well, it's not rubbish, but it does seem to need some TLC to keep it happy [12:32] this appears to specifically be the issue where systemd can't mount remote filesystems from fstab [12:33] ah, using systemd automount or explicit mounts? [12:33] having NFS mounts in /etc/fstab which work fine, until you upgrade to jessie, and then they don't [12:33] ah [12:34] but as i said, raspi, so it's probably hacked up [12:34] I haven't touched jessie yet. I'm a little paranoid about migrating non-systemd boxes to systemd when I can't physically reach them to mop up [12:34] i can't decide whether to go 15.04 or jessie [12:34] i'm on 14.04 at the moment [12:34] ali1234: I'm not sure what the debian story is for Pi, it might be supported? [12:35] if i go 15.04 i'm stuck on the upgrade train until the next LTS [12:35] I suspect my task for the next few days is going to be duping them into VMs so I can play in a sandpit [12:36] penguin42: the debian story is "use raspbian" - which is basically a full rebuild of everything with a different arch [12:37] you can use debian armel i think, if you don't care it's not optimized [12:37] ali1234: nod, I suspect the Pi2 is less hastle because it's a newer CPU, but I've not followed the Pi much [12:37] right, the pi2 can run armhf so debian or ubuntu properly optimized [12:38] the pi1 is stuck with debian's lowest common denominator and cannot run ubuntu at all. hence raspbian [12:39] however they all have the same crazy bootloader stuff which requires non-trivial modification to the OS [12:39] nod [12:41] yeh but that stuff is fairly isolated; most of the userland packages after bootsetup should be OK [12:42] I think that meshes with what I tend to see - people boot raspbian, and then add jessie sources [12:44] generally on ARM stuff, once you get a fairly modern kernel running you can just slap your favorite userspace in; debootstrap being the easiest thing to do [12:45] but generally on ARM stuff you are tied to an ancient BSP which makes that impossible [12:47] yeh, it depends how new your userspace wants; pre systemd you could get away with a fairly old kernel [13:40] ali1234: whether you go to jessie or 15.04 depends on whether you need recent package versions and don't mind upgrading every 6 months. I use Debian on the server and have been on Jessie for quite a while [13:41] i don't want to upgrade every six months [13:41] i want nvidia binary driver to work easily and be able to play games on steam [13:41] then I'd stick with debian or ubuntu LTS [13:41] yes, which? [13:42] depends which you prefer. Is this for desktop or server? [13:42] desktop [13:42] with desktop I'd go for ubuntu LTS [13:42] i prefer ubuntu but i need newer packages than 14.04 has [13:42] then you have the stability of an LTS, put also with the option to use PPAs [13:43] i don't care about stability [13:43] i just don't want to upgrade all the time [13:43] by upgrade i mean distro upgrade [13:44] if you really don't care about stability then a rolling release like Arch might be the thing. I don't have any experience on that though [13:45] is there a rolling release distro that doesn't break every day worse than debian unstable? [13:45] arch is not it [13:45] rolling release appears to be an excuse not to ever test releases [13:46] from my limited experience of rolling releases I think breakages are common. So going with an ubuntu LTS would seem to fit the requirements [13:46] then if you need very recent packages you can probably just use a PPA [13:46] yes, except there won't be another one of those for 12 months [13:46] the newer packages i need include systemd [13:47] ah, currently I don't think the ubuntu LTS uses systemd, although it might be possible to install it [13:47] it doesn't and it isn't [13:47] let me boil it right down to basics [13:48] i want systemd, nvidia driver, steam, recent xorg, xfce 4.12 all working out of the box, and two years support [13:48] also the moon on a stick [13:48] * DJones joking point ali1234 to ##windows :) [13:49] How does steamos deal with that [13:49] I don't know what xfce version jessie uses, but that requirements list sounds in jessie territory [13:49] well it doesn't have xfce 4.12 that's for sure [13:50] jessie has xfce 4.10 still, but that i can deal with [13:50] bigger issue is does nvidia driver work properly yet with a decently new version? [13:50] ali1234: Hmm, the current LTS should get the new kernel/X in 6 months if they follow the previous pattern of hardware support [13:50] last time i tried debian it was a year behind and you had to install it manually [13:50] penguin42: but not systemd [13:51] i don't care about kernel at all ... [13:51] X is meh... as long as it has present [13:51] ali1234: Well, fedora 22 gives you latest kernel, systemd, and X - but not the 2 year support [13:52] also RPM is horrible [13:52] yeh, I want to see what snappy is like [13:53] last time i tried an rpm distro it was impossible to build any of the packages from source without exactly duplicating the build server [13:53] that's actually not that hard, I've got the hang of rpmbuild [13:54] I wrote a packaging system called packagemonkey which does rpm [13:55] oh sure, rpmbuild. should have worked, it just didn't [13:56] does it still try to build everything in hardcoded paths under your home directory that you have to rm -rf between every package to stop them conflicting? [13:56] probably, but my packaging system handles all that drudge work [13:57] rpm already has a tool that does that - it makes a chroot, installs all dependencies in it, then builds the package with rpmbuild [13:57] howdo [13:57] ali1234: almost, it's not quite hard coded but you can change it in a dot file; on one machine I have the %_topdir changed to build it elsewhere [13:57] and it didn't work properly either [13:58] well i think it goes without saying that rpm is off the table [13:58] the question is do i stay on 14.04, install 15.04, or jessie? [13:59] if you need systemd then it's either 15.04 or jessie [13:59] yeah [13:59] 15.04 might give you a newer xfce [13:59] ali1234: jessie isn't going to get you latest [13:59] don't need latest, just newer than 14.04 [14:00] ali1234: Have you tried installing 14.04.2 - it will give you a different kernel/X than a 14.04 install unless you change the hardware support packages [14:00] i don't want a newer kernel [14:01] so what is it you want that's newer? [14:01] systemd [14:01] ah [14:01] then you need 15.04 [14:01] or jessie, as we have established :) [14:03] i think it has to be 15.04 really [14:03] i bet debian doesn't have all the ubuntu gnome patches that make gnome software not suck on all other desktops [14:03] although debian's gnome isn't that new, so maybe it's less of a problem? [14:04] it's been a problem since at least 3.12 [14:04] ah ok [14:05] I think jessie uses gnome 3.14 [14:05] it does [14:05] yeh [14:10] ali1234: which desktop do you use and which gnome apps do you use with it? [14:10] xfce and the pdf viewer [14:11] ali1234: Yeh I've switched to xfce, but I tend to use KDE's pdf viewer, okular [14:12] i've got a question [14:12] why is it when you see screenshots of KDE software, they never ever use oxygen, and always use that theme that looks like gtk? [14:13] https://okular.kde.org/images/screenies/okular-backend-pdf-1.png [14:13] because oxygen is really really screwed up ? [14:13] right. so why was it the default for so long? [14:14] well it's quite nice look, but the oxygen-gtk renderer just causes so many random bugs [14:14] oxygen looks awful [14:14] ok ok, it's a theme [14:14] it makes everything look slapped together [14:15] it looks awful for entirely objective reasons [14:15] * penguin42 is still looking for a compact gtk theme to use in xfce [14:15] which can't be fixed due to the way Qt works [14:15] what do you mean by "compact"? [14:16] ali1234: I find the 'tabs' and buttons tend to use a lot of vertical space [14:16] ali1234: It annoys me most on terminals, where the tab switching at the bottom takes a couple of rows space up [14:17] then don't use tabs? use separate windows? [14:18] * penguin42 likes tabs [14:18] there's this thing called a taskbar where every window is a tab [14:18] and you can put it anywhere on the screen that you want. imagine that! [14:18] * penguin42 scatters terminals everywhere each with a few tabs in [14:18] * penguin42 would just like his tabs to be a little less podgie [14:18] what terminal? [14:19] ali1234: I think it's the same on both terminator and xfce-terminal [14:19] yeah it is [14:19] oh, have you set "force dpi" to 96 dpi? [14:20] that is essential [14:20] yeh I'm pretty sure I've got that [14:20] and set font size to 11 pt? [14:23] see http://imagebin.ca/v/1zfYH9sBBh5a [14:23] what have you done... [14:23] haha [14:23] the tabs are the only thing in that picture that is the correct size [14:24] it's microcurve title bar theme, so that's nice and small, I've got a nice small font in the terminal - and these *HUGE* tabs [14:25] just set the system font to like 7 pt [14:25] but there seems to be so much padding around the text [14:25] yes, because without that it looks awful [14:25] (Default font is Sans 9) [14:25] without that padding it will look like KDE [14:26] where everything is squashed together and unreadable [14:26] well, I would like it a bit more squashed, like the title [14:26] it's readable but with no extra space [14:26] window borders are just bitmaps in xfwm [14:27] you will have to hack the gtk theme to get less padding on elements [14:27] it is written in css for gtk3 and something else for gtk2 [14:27] yeh, as I say, (15:15:18) ***penguin42 is still looking for a compact gtk theme to use in xfce [14:27] and the css version breaks with every gtk release and someone has to spend several hours fixing it [14:28] gtk themes pretty much don't exist any more because of this [14:28] a sad state of affairs [14:28] xfce has dropped all themes except for greybird and numix [14:28] brb [14:31] i would switch to KDE if they made a decent theme [14:31] the new thing unfortunately does not seem to have fixed any of the alignment issues [14:32] they did at least get rid of the gradients and boxes everywhere though, so that's something === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [14:33] maybe i should make a kde theme [14:35] ali1234: I've just switched to xfce from KDE, I can't stand KDE5 [14:36] why? it's just the same thing with a much better theme [14:37] i would probably have to nuke the plasma trash though, and just run xfce panel or something [14:38] KDE without plasma? Sounds an odd thing to do [14:39] kde3 was where it was at [14:39] I liked kde3 [14:39] i think the pdf viewer might be the only app i use which is part of a "desktop environment" [14:39] diddledan: Yeh [14:40] the switch between kde3 and 4 was jarring [14:40] diddledan: I went KDE3->Gnome (2?)->KDE4 (after about 4 years with Gnome2) [14:40] like "wtf did you do?!" [14:40] diddledan: Yeh, KDE5 is like that now [14:40] http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2014/094/9/b/kde_5_mockup_2_0_by_linix_arts-d7cyuh7.png [14:40] it was because of kde4 that I went ubuntu [14:40] this is hilarious [14:41] arn't mock ups supposed to look *good*? [14:41] at least they fixed the clock [14:41] the colours in that are evil [14:42] green "spotify" followedby "now playing" in white?! [14:42] now this, this looks good: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-CBOhh_ywz1c/VH2TB-RMgKI/AAAAAAAAJyg/ZwiOjKgD-uo/s1600/Manjaro%2B0.8.11.jpg [14:42] not just green but luminous green [14:42] i'm not even sure if that is KDE [14:43] it really annoys me that anything running on kde MUST have a badly placed K in the name [14:44] oKular [14:44] i don't mind that [14:44] and that example with "piKture" [14:45] and "Kontrol Panel" <-- why can't they call that "K Control Panel"? [14:46] oh wow that manjaro screenshot is xfce [14:46] i knew it was too good to be true [16:55] just been to that castle mountain bikin' event [16:55] https://www.dropbox.com/sh/15m8ehwwbwjo6nn/AACwtdSjK7Nc0HdIyNmedjx6a?dl=0 [17:13] you appear to have borrowed our weather [17:14] (no rush returning it btw, I'm getting kinda used to this bright light) [17:17] shauno: :D [17:17] foggy this morn, windy and 10 deg C this afty [17:21] we've had pretty much continuous sun. a bit grayer today, but still totally passable. [17:21] went up to dublin yesterday, got soaked to the skin, and promptly left again [17:23] shauno: you're lying [17:23] shauno: ireland doesn't have sun! [17:23] norly! [17:23] serials? [17:24] shauno: the sun seems to be over here today [17:27] http://i.imgur.com/APkPbeF.jpg (just to add further shock, I've even been outside) [17:29] I call shenanigans - that's america [17:29] lol [17:29] nowai is ireland that pretty! [17:31] so my masculinity extensions are installed into my NAS [17:31] I now have 7TEEBEEs to play with [17:32] proofs it's not america - they wouldn't consider that a road, let alone a 2-lane road - http://i.imgur.com/ahvy6TB.jpg [17:33] no wonder the post office doesn't believe you exist [17:34] crikey that's a main road :P [17:34] lol [17:34] can get two horse and carts going opposite ways down that easy ;) [17:35] clickity clack over the bridge. and out pops the troll and tries to eat it. [17:36] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Billy_Goats_Gruff [17:37] we actually have carts here :/ well, they call them 'traps' [17:38] had a friend over from slovakia for the week .. she was quite surprised to see them around and about town [17:39] also surprised to see people park their houses on random bits of commanage [17:39] :D [17:39] got me thinking, it kinda says something when a slovakian thinks your city is "cute but kinda backwards" [17:39] big alarm bells start sounding, then you know you have to hit the pub yep [17:40] but these city folk know not what they see ;) [17:40] lol .. well this is ireland's 3rd biggest city :) [17:40] I like that they actually admit that they're "traps" [17:40] (or 4th .. galway and limerick seem to have some kind of dispute over that) [17:41] www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4qzPbcFiA [17:41] fine Irish fellow there [17:45] he may have been in the sunbed a bit too long - he looks like a lobster now [17:45] well, this will be fun. I have to knock up a new front panel for something, but the only ruler I can find is old & snapped. so I have about 7cm to work with [17:45] 3inches ought to be enough for anyone [17:46] or is that 640KB? [17:46] i do loathe those ancient and out of context quotes [17:46] sounds a bit too much like newbies going "hur hur, things change as time passes" [17:46] http://wccftech.com/intels-6th-generation-skylake-s-processor-lineup-leaked-core-i7-6700k-leads-pack-10-skus-detailed-samples-spotted/ [17:46] got linked to this earlier 0o [17:47] 4GHz at last [17:47] I thought intel believed that 4GHz was a myth [17:48] picked this up - http://www.ebay.ie/itm/141361319227 there seems to be 1001 people selling it, and no-one giving a proper set of dimensions :( [17:48] sigh - I want more cores, give me 8 core, 3.5GHz and I'll be happy [17:48] isn't that what Haswell-E is, penguin42 ? logical cores anyway [17:49] shauno: doesn't this count: External dimension: width=220mm Height=52mm depth = 226mm? [17:49] it's not really enough .. I need to know what screws go in the front, and how far from the corners they are [17:49] daftykins: Haswell-E is I think 6 core, so getting there - but still - come on! [17:49] daftykins: I think they're upto 15 core in Xeon [17:50] penguin42: you want 8 full cores or 4 with hypernuts? [17:50] diddledan: I want my full 8 full cores, none of this hypernuts [17:50] haha [17:50] so you want 16 hyperspaces? [17:51] diddledan: I've got a 5 year old 4 core 2.8GHz i7 here - why bother upgrading? Sure it'll be a bit faster clock/clock - but not vastly [17:51] I've got an AMD 8core [17:51] diddledan: Meh, 16 hypernuts would be nice, but it's the cores I really want [17:51] diddledan: No, you've got an AMD 4 core with their equivalent of HT [17:51] i don't think i'd buy AMD. [17:51] penguin42: it's not the same as FTL [17:51] diddledan: They share chunks between their cores, they're not really 8 independent cores [17:52] penguin42: it's only the Integer unit that's shared [17:52] diddledan: Other way, I think it's only the fp unit that's shared [17:52] the actual guts is all independant [17:52] still, I want 8 real independent cores [17:52] it can drive non arithmetic stuff at 8 independance [17:53] true, I'd rather have 16 cores that are independent, but I'll settle with 8 [17:53] maybe I'd even have a broken 16 core with say 13 cores [17:53] heh [17:53] fail-binned [17:54] yeh, give me 13 cores, I'll be happy [17:54] * penguin42 uses a machine with 2x6 cores as one of his dev boxes at work; very nice [17:55] but I'm just bored with Intel not pulling their fingers out for years [17:55] did those omgcores arm boxes ever happen? [17:55] shauno: They apparently exist but I can't find any to buy - the Cavium ThunderX [17:55] shauno: the orangebox? [17:55] why should intel work when AMD suck so hard :( [17:55] nah, I think the orangebox was a bunch of mini intels shoved in one chassis [17:56] shauno: I think canonical moved away from arm for those replacing them with intels [17:56] daftykins: Yeh exactly [17:56] daftykins: The problem is Intel just have a very very sharp pin on their chip making equipment, and until AMDs fabs catch up they don't stand much of a chance [17:56] well that and they don't have fabs :> [17:57] their designs haven't done too well for a while now too [17:57] i'd love them to come back (AMD) it'd be great to have true competition again [17:57] AMD no longer have any dazzle [17:57] ok i've gotta head out, ttfn \o [17:57] when was the last time they competed? [17:57] probably Athlon64 time [17:57] athlon fx! [17:57] daftykins: oh yeh, they sold them off to Global foundaries I think? [17:57] directhex_: back in the 90s they were topdog with the k6-2 [17:58] i had a duron once [17:58] and athlon64 [17:58] Athlon XP mobile was where it was at ;) [17:58] my amd 486 was smoking. 120MHz 486. [17:58] * penguin42 had a dual Athlon at one point [17:58] Athlon MP [17:58] i7 is fine for me [17:58] I think they stopped being truly competitive when they no-longer used an "intel equivalence value" in their marketing [17:59] i think it was the APU days [18:00] i lost track totally of their sockets, they had like 3 different sockets on the go at once, mostly differentiated by whether the onboard gfx was dire or merely bad [18:00] i still don't understand amd sockets [18:01] the AM sockets seem to be backward compatible? [18:01] e.g. I believe AM3+ can run a processor designed for AM3 or AM2 [18:01] socket am1, fm2, fm2+, and am3+, for desktops [18:01] (the + is important for omgcores apparently?) [18:01] all the motherboards are from 2011 too [18:02] yeah they haven't released a new chipset in forever [18:02] and their top-end cpu will burn a hole through your floor. 220W! [18:02] all the recent mobos have been rehashes of existing ones with an efi instead of bios [18:17] bashrc: you enjoying the yoyo experience? [20:01] must be the BT effect :D [20:04] diddledan: They need EFI/GPT partitions to do big disks [20:10] AMD chipsets went pretty bad for a while [20:14] I gave up on amd when Apple declared Intel the one true saviour (for now) [20:14] which would be funnier if it wasn't true. [20:16] i was looking at CPUs the other day and it looks like the most expensive AMD CPU is the same price as the cheapest Intel CPU [20:16] at around £250 [20:16] they have to to get the performance close [20:16] surely that's not a cheapest [20:17] no, you can get Intel for about £40 [20:18] you can get a socket-1150 intel for £33.70 delivered [20:18] dual core 2.4ghz [20:18] celeron, yes [20:18] i only looked at quad core cpus [20:19] i don't buy anything below an i3 :> [20:19] ali1234: Actually, you're not trying on the AMDs - http://www.scan.co.uk/products/amd-3rd-gen-opteron-6380-cpu-abu-dhabi-16-core-s-g34-%28lga-1944%29-25ghz-8mb-x-2-l3-cache-115w-without- [20:19] and it was around £150 [20:19] yeah i didn't look at opteron/xeon either [20:19] * penguin42 bets that's 2 chips in one package [20:20] save on the heating next winter! [20:20] 115W is low for AMD [20:20] they have 220W chips [20:21] the cheapest haswell i5 is about the same price as the most expensive amd fx [20:21] an FX line is still going? crikey [20:22] well, what is AMDs CPU for the high end consumer these days? [20:22] i don't have a clue of their lineup at all since i don't tend to consider them even worthy of checking [20:22] AMD A? [20:23] they don't have one [20:23] they literally don't make high end consumer chips. the highest end they ever made is still the fx 9590, which is old [20:23] http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4440-vs-AMD-FX-9590 [20:24] but you need to add the cost of a liquid cooling system to the amd [20:26] whereas the i5 haswell comes with a functional cooler [20:26] since it's 84W vs 220W [20:26] :S [20:26] and you *officially* can't run the 9590 off air, according to amd (results may vary in real life) [20:27] they sell a rebranded asetek AIO water cooler w/ 120mm radiator, the "amd fx-series liquid cooling system" [20:27] how much is it? [20:27] struggling to find it in the UK. equivalents are about 40-45 quid [20:28] the chip is £170 less than the intel chip in your comparison [20:29] Intel Core i5 4440 Processor Haswell is £144, AMD FX 9590 Processor - 8 Core is £181 [20:29] that's top of the range amd vs cheapest quadcore intel, as requested [20:29] so add a £40 cooler to that and it's £220 vs £144 [20:30] we could compare a £144 amd? or a £220 intel? what would you prefer? === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [20:31] how about FX 8370E (95W - £142) vs the £144 haswell? [20:32] http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4440-vs-AMD-FX-8370E says ~identical in the aggregate. intel better at single core, amd better at threaded (4 core vs 8 core) [20:32] figures [20:35] this is sorta AMD's problem. i had £300 to spend on a processor. amd don't make a processor to appeal to me. the intel i bought wipes the floor with the best amd on the market, in every measure except maybe "value for money" [20:35] yeah, i agree, that's kinda my point [20:36] AMD FX run from £60 - £180, intel i5 to i7 runs from £140 to £900 [20:37] only 900? [20:37] 839 seems to be the most expensive before you get to xeons [20:38] bargain! should have got one of those [20:38] ;) [20:38] witcher 2 seems okay on ultra graphics settings on linux. that's good. [20:42] did you solve your 15.04 Bioshock issues? [20:42] not yet [20:51] who else other than asus makes motherboards with all 4-pin fan connectors? [20:52]