=== ambo is now known as Guest61971 [08:05] gremble: sup [08:10] hi stickyboy gremble [08:13] Kilos: https://nairobilug.or.ke/2015/04/ramping-up-ethiopia-lug.html [08:13] Fresh off the press... [08:19] Hey Kilos [08:21] hmm... stickyboy [08:21] you mentioned -za but not -africa [08:21] why do i battle so [08:22] but well written post [08:23] you with all your ways of getting info out there can do wonders for the connecting africa project [08:23] im not an advertising junkie [08:25] in all the lugs there are ubuntu users whether it be on personal pcs , work pcs , or servers [08:25] pull them out for us man [08:25] Kilos: Just be glad I mentioned Ubuntu more than once. ;) [08:26] im gonna shout at you [08:26] I'll shout back. :D [08:26] and i saw one person asking for a beginners linux cd [08:26] Your agenda is different than mine. :P [08:27] what better than ubuntu [08:27] what is your agenda [08:28] no shouting allowed on this channel so its your lucky day [08:28] :D [08:31] there can only be one agenda, grow linux and supply support [08:31] * Kilos waits for a clever comment [08:39] You guys focus on Ubuntu too much. [08:40] I don't care, but for the fact that you claim to be pushing for Linux growth. :D [08:40] This is the ubuntu channel stickyboy :P [08:40] All this Ubuntu, LoCo, blah blah. [08:40] gremble: Irrelevant. :D [08:40] well we are ubuntu-za but we dont mind having you guys around [08:40] His agenda is Ubuntu. :) [08:40] ubuntu-africa... [08:41] :P [08:41] I don't care, but you shouldn't pretend to be about pushing Linux. [08:41] If you want to be Ubuntu, be Ubuntu. [08:41] But don't pretend it's some grand, common vision. [08:41] You guys are VERY deep inside Ubuntu ecosystem. [08:41] nono you missing the point completely [08:41] And kinda like fanboys. [08:42] Not necessarily [08:42] gremble: Hrm. [08:42] "nairobilug [08:42] " [08:42] "ubuntu-africa"... "ubuntu-za" [08:42] There are quite a few here that don't use Ubuntu, like me :P [08:42] "ugandalug" [08:42] the point is to strengthen all linux in africa but we just started from ubuntu because thats who we are [08:42] I'm just here because it is an active LUG [08:42] Kilos: Ok. Fine. :D [08:42] in South Africa [08:42] gremble: It's a LoCo. ;) [08:42] Nairobi LUG is a LUG. [08:43] Same shit [08:43] Sure. [08:43] But you guys gotta reign in the fanboy vibe. [08:43] lol [08:43] Kilos was talking about Ubuntu like Smeagle yesterday. [08:43] :P [08:43] My precioussssss. [08:43] hahaha [08:43] And like football fans say "We won the cup" when they're talking about Man U. [08:43] ;) [08:44] Don't get me wrong, I use Ubuntu on allllll my webserver. [08:44] But I'm typing from a Mac where I have installed GNU coreutils cuz BSD coreutils are teh suck. [08:44] That's #winning for GNU software. [08:44] And that's part of the mission. [08:44] Also, sleeping on couches. [08:45] I need a new computer :/ [08:45] lol [08:45] Kilos: Did you see my reference to that on the post? [08:45] yes to here [08:45] :P [08:45] and sleeping on couches is good [08:45] makes you appreciate getting home to your bed [08:46] the only way to dethrone ms is if we all work together worldwide [08:47] not in individual groups [08:47] i even tried centos [08:47] eeek [08:49] we need to look beyong our borders and think of pulling in the office jack and school kids etc not just die hard linux users [08:49] s/beyong/beyond [08:50] am i wrong? [08:53] i dont mind if you use redhat or arch as long as we have one common goal [09:02] emacs is weird :( [09:07] Kilos: My goal isn't to dethrone Microsoft. :P [09:07] I just want to promote free, libre, open-source software. [09:07] and ours? [09:07] ;) [09:07] same thing and only together will it be achieved [10:36] haha i can get good laughs from reading logs [10:37] the interaction between pro and i is sometimes hilarious [10:38] morning superfly [12:16] afternoon Kilos [12:22] good mornings [12:22] oh and hi superfly [12:22] hi fly inetpro [12:22] and eh Kilos [12:23] * Kilos the afterthought [12:23] mn revenge is sweet [12:23] nm eiyher [12:24] uh [12:24] euther [12:24] ai! [12:24] either [12:25] Kilos: I said good mornings to you before I greeted the fly [12:27] where [12:28] time and date [12:29] Kilos: 04/26 14:22:27 good mornings [12:31] thats to all lurkers [12:32] Hi inetpro [12:33] * inetpro thought ubuntu-za = Kilos [12:33] well you didnt state ubuntu-za either [12:34] mornings includes fedora/redhat/arch and other lurkers [12:35] i wish monkey could come back he might enjoy the remix with openbox [12:36] how are you inetpro my friend ? [12:36] that includes family [12:37] all good thank you [12:37] and i looked today again at the beautiful blue eyes [12:37] Kilos: yourself? [12:37] im fine ty sir [12:37] i just struggled when peeps attack my preciouuuus [12:38] 10:43] My precioussssss. [12:38] hehe [12:41] hi spinza [12:42] superfly why is there a yahoo login by them flickr pics [12:42] is flickr a yahoo thing [12:44] and here that looks like ian with the kids [12:44] https://www.flickr.com/photos/who_da_fly/15582309341/in/photostream/ [13:04] Kilos: Yes, Yahoo owns Flickr [13:05] aha ty [13:05] It's about the only product they have that actually makes money [13:05] lol [13:28] hi melodie [13:29] salut Kilos ! [13:29] hehe [13:29] how are you? [13:29] im good ty and you? [13:32] ive been lazy today [13:37] ok [13:38] Kilos I'm good and got up very late [13:38] you also went to bed very late [13:39] so much to do and so little time [13:39] and lots of talking too, and watching a serie before sleeping also, all takes time! :D [13:40] whew [13:40] hi Kilos [13:40] hi georgelappies [13:51] hi georgelappies [13:52] georgelappies meet melodie from the south of france [13:52] hi melodie [13:52] where are you from georgelappies ? [13:53] I am from Secunda, about 200km east of Johannesburg [13:54] https://www.google.co.za/maps/place/Secunda/@-26.5159425,29.1984939,13z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x1eeb12dc232c6f9b:0xd5e8665e3c84809?hl=en [13:55] so South Africa as Kilos ? [13:55] yes [13:56] only a few others here [13:56] the town's claim to fame is the largest coal to liquid petroleum refinery in the world ;p [13:56] yeah same as Kilos [13:57] although I suspect that Kilos is from a more buzling metropolis in South Africa [13:58] lol [13:59] georgelappies your town produces petroleum? [13:59] petrol from coal melodie [13:59] and other byproducts [14:00] is it to be a special coal? [14:00] no only lots of it [14:00] well among other things, they take coal and make all sort of stuff out of it. Mainly diesel / petrol though [14:00] what do you use in your kitchen to cook? electricity? [14:01] they also have the refineries of all our imported crude oil i think [14:02] Sasol (the company running the factory) was the first in the world to economically execute this process: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer%E2%80%93Tropsch_process [14:02] georgelappies you ever get bored? [14:02] * superfly has been to Secunda [14:02] diesel, coal, petroleum, are all bringing riches to a country, and in the meantime pollute and will bring the same countries to be extremely poor when it will run out of supplies one day future [14:02] yip [14:02] melodie, I use gas but in South Africa that is not the norm. The norm is to use electricity for everything [14:03] lol, never Kilos. Always something to do [14:03] georgelappies I am in touch with an non for profit who deals with alternative ways, they teach the making of cookers using directly the sun for instance, and other things [14:03] oh ok , im looking for someone to test melodie s remix [14:04] s remix? [14:04] possibly some people creating fablabs and making them cookers would create themselves a nice job [14:04] georgelappies yes! let me show you [14:04] openbox and ubuntu [14:04] top post: http://linuxvillage.org/en/ [14:04] openbox and ubuntu made especially easy to use [14:05] melodie we are slowly adding wind power generators and so on [14:05] Kilos big ones or small ones? [14:05] big [14:06] you have people with tech skills in your country, don't you? [14:06] and very large solar generators [14:06] we have the best [14:06] I have seen the use of the Stirling engine on plate shaped solar generators [14:06] but silicon valley keeps stealing from us [14:06] of course, it was supposed to be available ! in 2011 :-( [14:07] because the south african government is too stupid to realise the talent in their own back yard [14:07] then the company having the patents closed, the patents bought by I don't know who... [14:07] they would rather import chinese tech than promote innovation in RSA [14:07] superfly same in France... all nuts and clowns in the governement [14:07] lol [14:07] very true superfly [14:08] * superfly works for a startup that exported their tech to the UK [14:08] I know a little bit about this. [14:09] that is the chinese way of doing bussiness, "let us build you a bridge / dam / school 'for free' and in exchange you provide us with 10mega tons of coal every year for ten years" [14:11] governments in Africa are selling resources that do not belong to them (it belongs to the nation and future generations) at dirt cheap prices in exchange for providing China with expansion and work opportunities in Africa [14:11] anyhow, enough politics [14:11] what is everybody up to on this Sunday afternoon? [14:12] latest release of my open source project [14:12] busy writing up the release notes [14:12] what is it superfly? link please ;) [14:12] http://openlp.org/ [14:14] melodie how well do you know gsilve [14:14] gsilva [14:16] superfly, that is very cool [14:16] ta [14:17] well he is someone I have known for a few months now, perhaps more than a year even. He had once offered to take care of the com for Bento, then had to give up for he was on something else, and now he is back and has started to take parts of it in charge [14:17] what is it you want to know exactly? [14:18] well if he could sort th e lubuntu wiki pages i was wondering if he could take on the main ubuntu pages as well [14:18] slowly of course [14:18] will be a strong point in his favour for membership [14:19] some of our pages are years out ot date [14:19] Kilos well, I am not a member and I don't have many people helping on a regular basis, and on the other side, he is very busy [14:19] thats what i wanted to know ty [14:20] I am leading a very original project and very difficult to make people understand how it can hold together [14:20] everyone is just too busy [14:20] we all need new energies [14:20] :) [14:20] lol yeah [14:20] do you have a mailing list for ubuntu-africa ? [14:21] yes on um [14:21] launchpad [14:21] ok [14:21] it should show a link in the site [14:22] having new people help can be a matter of showing the doings ongoing and let the people ask what they can do to help [14:22] or write it down [14:22] well thinking of... [14:23] Kilos perhaps do you need to define the types of job leaders in your team [14:23] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-africa [14:24] no i dont think so melodie at the moment i am still trying to get all the countries together [14:24] Kilos is the leader [14:24] the rest of us are just worker bees [14:24] rofl [14:24] Kilos if you use a linear approach you might loose precious opportunities talking about volunteers [14:25] if you use a vertical approach you would not be gathering the countries of the continent, that would not be as good either [14:26] i was thinking of first of all throwing them all in a pot and giving it a good shake and then see what comes out first [14:26] what you could do would be use a transversal approach as you already have several countries gathered and by doing so you may have the people from other countries interested to jump into the project as seeing the opportunities and ideas beyond the gathering fact [14:27] oh yes elacheche is already doing the top end [14:27] superfly I am going to take a look at your project, I was waiting for the page to open [14:27] melodie: no problem :-) [14:27] Kilos I mean, if you list the types of skills needed for the project, on your wiki, that could be a good thing [14:28] wiki care taker, comm care taker and so on [14:28] oh i see what you mean [14:28] well you want to join us and see what can be done? [14:29] i am a mechanic and farmer [14:29] not many skills needed to get sheep and cows where you want them [14:30] superfly is that your work only or is it part of the startup you work for? [14:30] oh we have a wiki caretaker [14:30] inetpro does that [14:30] very good! [14:30] melodie: I do that in my "spare" time - my startup is different [14:32] then you might want to start the list on a draft, and write who takes care of what and let the empty fields for the jobs to be taken. You would need to organise a special dedicated meeting on irc for the people on #ubuntu-africa to assist to, to all talk about that together and let the ideas get out and sparkle [14:32] superfly what does your startup do? [14:32] Kilos as a mecanics, have you heard about the open source wiki for building things by yourself? [14:33] eco something, does that ring a bell? [14:33] melodie: http://nomanini.com - we provide a platform and a POS to sell prepaid services [14:33] * superfly mostly works on the management platform [14:33] is it an open source pos ? [14:33] nope [14:33] nope, but it's not particularly complicated either [14:34] mechanics only use the inetrnet to find parts for cars [14:34] Kilos you have here a whole community you would want to share with all the Ubuntu African communities, and plan to open FabLabs everywhere: [14:34] http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Main_Page [14:35] nope, but it's not particularly complicated either || what is? [14:35] Kilos allow me to quote the main part of the opensourceecology wiki here: [14:35] “Open Source Ecology is accelerating the growth of the next economy - the Open Source Economy - an economy that optimizes both production and distribution - while promoting environmental regeneration and social justice. We are building the Global Village Construction Set. This is a high-performance, modular, do-it-yourself, low-cost platform - that allows for the easy fabrication of the 50 different industrial machines that it takes - to build [14:35] a small, sustainable civilization with modern comforts. ” [14:36] this is full Open Source, Free plans and methods to create numerous things for the farmers, the growsers, the small local industry and also the people [14:36] in France we start to have fablabs here and there and they allow people to go, and get an object done when there is no replacement for spare parts, for instance [14:37] ok [14:37] the 3D printers are becoming so fashionable even our governement is planning to put a copy tax on them ! :-[ [14:37] Kilos when I visited this wiki, I found it mind blowing! [14:39] whew superfly and inetpro must look at that, half of it i dont understand [14:39] melodie: it's a electronic device that has some stock management firmware on it. it's hardly a new idea, or a something complicated to set up. [14:39] i can chat on irc and answer emails [14:41] Kilos I don't get into the details I don't understand either, it's mechanics and plans, things out of my reach, but to put it simply what it is about: [14:43] you get a large place to keep machines and material, and have people come there ; you create a non for profit association and make money which is used to by hardware, pay the charges and pay some people of the association who get a salary : on the other end, are people who come build what they need, using the plans. and they have their needed material for a cost much lower than in the current market [14:43] to by/to buy [14:43] sorry [14:44] oh you mean with 3d printers [14:44] it's kind of a geek garage if you want to summarise [14:44] the 3D printers is only one kind of tool there are other tools too [14:44] I'll try to show you: [14:45] inetpro look man [14:45] a very basic need in creation of tools is a metal melting furnace: [14:45] http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Induction_Furnace [14:46] in the section "Details" you can read what it does: [14:46] "The advantage of the induction furnace is a clean, energy-efficient and well-controllable melting process compared to most other means of metal melting." [14:46] yes i inderstand that [14:46] the rest is out of my reach and concern, I have provided here the summary for this part [14:47] once you have melted metal from cans or whatever metal that costs nothing that can be gathered, you can poor the metal in some molds to make what you need [14:47] i understand the mechanical things well, just remember we are in power and cash crisis time in za [14:48] Kilos this situation is everywhere [14:48] the whole world [14:48] i used to make molds for car body parts when i was at nissan za [14:48] see? you have incredible skills [14:48] jigs is the correct word [14:48] and you also know how to gather people :D [14:49] lol [14:49] jigs? Instead of? [14:49] molds [14:49] oh? [14:49] actually molds is right for the molten metal [14:49] Kilos so now you have a new exploration field with the ecology opensource wiki, but... well it's not the end ! [14:50] I got something else in the magic bag ! :D [14:50] then the sheets you get from there go into jigs to stamp out the parts you need [14:50] nono girl you exploding my head [14:50] yes, that's technic, not my concern. I don't produce, I don't "make" [14:50] Kilos what about a video then? that can be resting? :D [14:51] a video about the next topic, the modern ways of using animals at work? [14:51] no data for videos, your remix ate that [14:51] one step at a time [14:51] yes the next remix will have the codecs for the sound and the video, this one doesn't [14:52] i have 14.04 kubuntu that can do anything [14:52] only data restrains me [14:52] videos on youtube don't need much to work now, without flash [14:52] and my head [14:52] you need to install firefox [14:52] and in firefox add the plugin html5 [14:53] nono i dont like firefox [14:53] i use chrome epiphany and opera browser [14:54] i also dont look at youtube videos [14:55] there are more and more fashionable for communication [14:55] but drop your link here someone will go see and tell me about it [14:55] people want to watch videos rather than reading texts and images in tutorials for example, or see conferences rather than going far to attend to them and many more things [14:55] ok [14:58] Ask me if I just bought 4 KGs of coffee in Addis. [14:58] lol [14:59] http://hippotese.free.fr/blog/ [15:00] we were farming that way 200 years ago [15:00] some small farmers still do [15:01] the mule needs good grass and lots of it [15:01] no grass here in winter [15:03] and try guiding that plow for 2 hours only, never mind every day for a month [15:03] the people in several non for profit, present on these pages the tools which have been improved since the old times, as they are issued from a mix between improved engines traction, maths doing, and lots of testing [15:04] the main page is a bit messy because they don't use categories or any kind of sitemap on this blog, but it was an improvement compared to their old website: [15:04] http://hippotese.free.fr/ [15:05] my bad they have categories [15:05] ive been there and done those things [15:06] after a day of plowing you struggle to get out of bed the next morning [15:06] they also have small carriages where the man is sitting while the horse pulls [15:06] they are expensive to buy also [15:07] i used to own horses too [15:07] friesian and arab [15:07] for the horses they have invented special parts which lowers the effort of the animal and allows it to provide up to 25% more result [15:07] friesian are the big black ones with curly hair? [15:08] not curly hair but black yes and they are big [15:08] well I know it's very physical, true. I have learned horse carriage and have even a diploma [15:08] good for pulling carts [15:08] yes, very good [15:08] I think they are what in French we name "frisons" [15:09] I didn't know the name in English [15:09] maybe ill try find them [15:09] there are many stud breeders in za [15:09] ok [15:09] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friesian_horse [15:10] I see in the hippotese blog there is a link to translate google on the right side, to have the blog in English: "Translate in english" [15:10] beautiful animals [15:11] yes! https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frison_%28cheval%29 [15:11] I got it right about the word in French [15:12] nice [15:13] and the arabs just want to run [15:13] same as racehorses [15:13] well thats where racehorses come from iirc [15:14] exactly [15:14] the arabian horses are used to improve/modify other races of horses [15:14] such as the fjord [15:14] or the merens [15:16] i crossed them and the result was excellent intelligent horses for herding sheep and cattle [15:17] and not scared to give a lazy bull a bitr on the bum to get him moving [15:17] bite [15:19] oh! are you sure you haven't bread them with some shepperd dog? XD [15:19] nice! [15:19] lol [15:19] so did you bread friasian with arabian? [15:19] yes [15:19] what kind of arabian had you exactly? [15:19] haha a black mare [15:20] ok [15:20] and some other boerperde [15:20] if that's a breed [15:20] "boerperde" ? [15:20] what is perde or boerperde ? [15:20] http://www.saboerperd.com/ [15:20] * melodie is reading parts of http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Bioplastics [15:20] perd is afrikaans for horse [15:21] clicked on your link waiting [15:22] mine is open long time [15:22] fix your connection [15:22] they look very beautiful, especially the black with grey hair [15:22] it's ok I'm putting it into translate google now [15:23] http://www.theequinest.com/breeds/boerperd/ [15:23] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boer_pony [15:24] very tough horses, often used for marathons here [15:25] Kilos: Do South Africans despise Africa? [15:25] no stickyboy why [15:26] Kilos: I hear stories about people leaving SA, like Kenyans, and people say "Oh, you're going back to Africa". [15:26] am i not talking to you? [15:26] stickyboy where are you from? [15:26] And some DJ has a shoutout on the Kenyan radio like, "Hey this is DJ blah blah from the motherland Africa -- well, South Africa -- blah blah" [15:26]