[01:54] <len__> Does anyone know why some apps show up as running apps in the session manager, and some don't?
[01:55] <len__> If they don't show up in that list they can't be saved with the session.
[01:55] <len__> unless hardcoded in a autostartup section instead.
[01:56] <len__> I want sublime text sessions to be saved, but they are invisible to the session manager for some reason.
[01:56] <len__> Chrome/Chromium don't show up either, but Firefox shows up fine.
[01:57] <len__> I don't get what is going on.
[01:58] <len__> Everything shows up fine in xfce's task manager though--it is only the session manager that has selective vision.
[02:59] <holstein> Guest69247: where did you get sublime text? AFAIK, its not in the repos
[03:00] <holstein> maybe the creators can tell you how to include it
[03:00] <holstein> you could be talking about non repo packages
[03:13] <Guest69247> Directly from Sublime Text.  It's not really a ST issue though.
[03:14] <Guest69247> Seems as if it is another case of Gnome devs pissing on standards and interoperability and stripping out XSMP support in place of their own way.
[03:14] <Guest69247> All KDE apps are detected.
[03:15] <holstein> !language | Guest69247
[03:17] <Guest69247> Sublime text is some kind of mystery hybred using gtk and custom build libs.
[03:17] <holstein> Guest69247: its not in the repos, AFAIK
[03:17] <Guest69247> No.  It is self contained.  Runs on all distros.
[03:18] <Guest69247> Blazing fast too.
[03:18] <holstein> Guest69247: sure.. so, its a stand alone binary, that the system isnt aware of.. theres your answer
[03:18] <holstein> you didnt install it, for the system to be aware of it.. that can be related to what you are asking about
[03:19] <Guest69247> No.  I'm not just talking about sublime.
[03:19] <holstein> Guest69247: sure.. me to
[03:19] <Guest69247> Gnome has recently been stripping xsmp (x session management protocol).
[03:20] <Guest69247> All apps that don't show up are gtk-based
[03:20] <holstein> Guest69247: and, also, the ones you mention are not in the repo
[03:21] <holstein> Guest69247: but, if you feel you have a bug with gnome, i say, report it
[03:21] <Guest69247> It is not a bug.  It is intentional.
[03:21] <Guest69247> They don't care about anyone not running gnome.
[03:21] <Guest69247> rolling their own
[03:22] <Guest69247> instead of following standards
[03:22] <holstein> Guest69247: cool.. sounds like you know what the issue is, then.. let a volunteer know if you have a support question.. we can use #xubuntu-offtopic for chatting about gnome
[03:23] <Guest69247> Well, I didn't know when I first posted, but researched duing the interim to find out code was intentionally removed.
[03:33] <Hudsonkem_> hello?
[03:33] <holstein> Hudsonkem_: yes..
[03:33] <holstein> to recap, you are missing the cursor.. its invisible
[03:33] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10893230/
[03:34] <Hudsonkem_> yes..
[03:34] <holstein> you are up to date with upgrades, and using *some* unknown version of xubuntu.. would you like to state that for the volunteers?
[03:35] <holstein> Hudsonkem_: what i want you to do is, note this.. http://itsfoss.com/invisible-mouse-cursor-ubuntu-1310/ and try it next time it happens, please
[03:35] <holstein> gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.cursor active false
[03:35] <holstein> Hudsonkem_: try that in tty, next time it happens..
[03:35] <holstein> !tty
[03:35] <holstein> or, in the GUI terminal, if you can get to it without the cursor
[03:35] <Hudsonkem_> ok
[03:37] <Hudsonkem_> so I know the basics of linux system. And you will reproduce the inssue now and try it
[03:37] <Hudsonkem_> I will*
[03:37] <holstein> Hudsonkem_: how?
[03:37] <Hudsonkem_> restart
[03:38] <holstein> Hudsonkem_: in what way to you make it happen? you stated it just happens, randomly? what do you do to make it happen?
[03:38] <Hudsonkem_> yes
[03:38] <Hudsonkem_> just reboot or turn off the computer, when I turn on it have this inssue
[03:39] <holstein> regardless of our misunderstanding each other.. do you understand the suggestion?
[03:39] <Hudsonkem_> but I noticed when load screen work with correct resolution the cursor works and when not it not
[03:40] <holstein> i also was thinking GPU driver related
[03:40] <holstein> with a dual GPU. nvidia ion, for example
[03:41] <Hudsonkem_> so. I am not installed drivers because I am using xubuntu 15.04 but it not happining on 14.10 without drivers
[03:42] <holstein> Hudsonkem_: you have not installed what drivers? the nvidia ones?
[03:42] <Hudsonkem_> intel "01.org"
[03:42] <holstein> Hudsonkem_: so the above fix doesnt address it?
[03:43] <Hudsonkem_> the driver not realised to my xubuntu version
[03:43] <holstein> Hudsonkem_: what driver?
[03:43] <holstein> Hudsonkem_: have you tried the fix? if its a driver issue, as i already suggested, the fix wont address that
[03:44] <holstein> i asked what drivers you have for the GPU before
[03:44] <holstein> Hudsonkem_: can i please help you find a native language channel?
[03:44] <Hudsonkem_> yes
[03:45] <holstein> Hudsonkem_: well, do share what language you speak, and id be glad to assist with that
[03:45] <Hudsonkem_> intel hda driver
[03:46] <Hudsonkem_> português PT
[03:46] <Hudsonkem_> português BR
[03:47] <holstein> !pt
[03:47] <Hudsonkem_> it support xubuntu too?
[03:48] <holstein> Hudsonkem_: xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[03:48] <holstein> Hudsonkem_: its likely slow/dead, and you'll nead to email someone...
[03:48] <Hudsonkem_> but different Desktop "xfce"
[03:48] <holstein> Hudsonkem_: otherwise, try the fix i suggested, and let me know
[03:48] <holstein> Hudsonkem_: xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[06:01] <rayduf> completely disable sleep/suspend mode...how?
[06:07] <mantys89> hello, is there any way change orage calendar theme to match numix color scheme???
[06:19] <eikon81g> Hey all.. Just stopping in for a quick question..
[06:19] <eikon81g> I was thinking about doing the upgrade to 15.04 should I just take the extra time and do a fresh install?
[06:21] <eikon81g> anyone experienced crazyness outside of the notes "bug"
[06:22] <mantys89> fresh install is better, but before that you can do system backup with clonezilla...
[06:23] <eikon81g> gotcha. I was thinking the same thing.. I've tweaked this install so much Idk if I will get it back how I like it so I'm squeemish..
[06:23] <eikon81g> lol
[06:25] <mantys89> xubuntu 15.04 have some bugs with lightdm-gtk-greeter, but nothing serious...
[06:28] <eikon81g> ok well that's good I have been using the terminal pm commands to suspend and reboot etc.
[06:28] <eikon81g> I don't mess with lightdm much just initial login
[06:31] <mantys89> lightdm-gtk-greeter have some problems with theming, with numix and other themes, top panel looks weird...
[06:32] <eikon81g> Ahh
[06:32] <eikon81g> well ty for the heads up..
[12:47] <xubuntu29w> hi there, trying to upgrade from xubuntu 14.10 to 15.04 using the software updater. When I click on the Upgrade ... button the software updater just quits
[12:47] <cfhowlett> xubuntu29w, try from terminal and observe error messages.  sudo do-release-upgrade
[12:48] <xubuntu29w> when I start the software updater on the command line, I get: Error executing command as another user: Not authorized
[12:49] <cfhowlett> xubuntu29w, self-explanatory ... use your system admin account
[12:51] <xubuntu29w> hmm, that's weird. The sw updater comes up every day and asks me If I want to install updates. If I select yes, it asks me for my password and goes ahead and installs the updates. Why does the upgrade process behave differently?
[12:52] <cfhowlett> xubuntu29w, permissions ...
[12:53] <xubuntu29w> doing the upgrade no using  sudo do-release-upgrade, but wondering why sw updater couldn't it just issue the same command?
[12:54] <xubuntu29w> thanx for your help, btw :-)
[12:55] <cfhowlett> xubuntu29w, I'd *guess* your current user is not authorized to perform an OS install.  upgrading currently install software should require fewer privileges?
[12:58] <xubuntu29w> I haven't done anything special with my user. I was created during the install of xubuntu. And the same user was able to sudo do-release-upgrade on the command line, so why shouldn't he be able to do it in the UI? And even if the user didn't have the required premission, the UI should info the user about this, and not offer an upgrade button, which silently fails.
[12:58] <xubuntu29w> did you upgrade already?
[12:59] <cfhowlett> xubuntu29w, no.  I only run LTS so I'm good until next year.
[13:00] <cfhowlett> xubuntu29w, as for the  error, yeah, that sounds like a bug.
[13:00] <xubuntu29w> :-) ok. I was just wondering how the upgrade button behaves for other users. I'd consider the current behaviour a bug.
[13:01] <cfhowlett> agreed
[13:02] <xubuntu29w> glad, we agree :-) downloading of new version is comple. It's happily upgrading the packages now. hope it still works after reboot
[14:21] <deltaray> After upgrading to 15.04, I'm having a strange problem with screenlocks.
[14:22] <deltaray> When I lock the screen, it does lock the screen, but it just shows a blank off-white screen.
[14:22] <deltaray> To get back in, I have to click the mouse and then I see the password dialogue.
[14:22] <deltaray> Anyone else having this issue?
[14:22] <deltaray> Don't see any mention of it in the last month on a web search.
[14:23] <brainwash> deltaray: multi monitor setup?
[14:25] <brainwash> bug 1426664
[14:36] <pjotter> Hello everyone. I am experiencing a weird problem in Xubuntu 12.04 that I can't find any solution for.
[14:36] <pjotter> It concerns the placing and size of some of the popup menu's of the panel
[14:36] <pjotter> There are some applications that sometimes generate popups that seem to be mislplaced or wrongly sized.
[14:37] <pjotter> This happens a lot when the content of the popup is actively changed.
[14:38] <pjotter> For instance the network icon.. If I disable the network, some of the options in the popup will vanish, causing the popup to be smaller. If I then click on the network icon, the popup is displayed hovering above the panel
[14:38] <pjotter> However, clicking the icon again will show a correct popup
[14:39] <pjotter> Does anybody know any sollution to this? Is it a bug in xfce4?
[14:40] <brainwash> is your panel placed on the bottom?
[14:40] <pjotter> Yes it is
[14:40] <brainwash> then it is a known bug
[14:40] <brainwash> but there is no solution
[14:41] <pjotter> Ok. Do you know by what keywords I can find this bug? I have been searching but haven't found any reference to this.
[14:42] <brainwash> bug 965953
[14:42] <pjotter> brainwash: Will puuting the panel on top solve the issue?
[14:42] <brainwash> worth a try
[14:43] <pjotter> I just did... it appears to be working
[14:43] <brainwash> you could remove the indicator plugin from your panel config
[14:43] <brainwash> that way, the network applet will use the classic tray icon
[14:44] <pjotter> Well, I'd rather not... need those on a regular basis, so
[14:44] <brainwash> yeah, it would also remove the sound indicator (well, any of the unity indicators)
[14:44] <pjotter> O wait... you mean to say that the problem is caused by the indicator plugin?
[14:45] <brainwash> not directly, but the indicators themself seem to be the cause
[14:46] <brainwash> the indicator plugin is used to display these indicators
[14:46] <pjotter> Yes, the xfce4-indicator-plugin
[14:46] <brainwash> you can temporary remove it from your panel config
[14:46] <pjotter> What if I remove this thing from the panel? Will I still be able to see some of the icons that normally reside in there?
[14:47] <brainwash> test it
[14:47] <brainwash> it can be easily readded
[14:47] <pjotter> I'll do that... just a moment
[14:47] <brainwash> you may need to restart the panel with xfce4-panel -r
[15:22] <Guest96557> i bet this has been asked a couple of times, when is it possible to do an upgrade from 14.10 to 15.04 with the integrated updater, since even update-manager -d does nothing
[15:26] <cq-aux> hi I've deleted something important > I can't control my laptop screen shutting actions
[15:26] <cq-aux> all I can remember removing was lightdm
[15:27] <cq-aux> now I'd like to shut the lid and have it keep running
[15:27] <cq-aux> but I've stuffed that up somehow
[15:38] <pleia2> Guest96557: you don't want to do it with -d, since 15.04 has been released and development on the next version hasn't begun, the update-manager should pick up the upgrade on its own (it does for me on all my systems)
[15:38] <Guest96557> pleia2, i tried that without the "-d" as well
[15:39] <pleia2> Guest96557: strange, might need to manually `apt-get update` on the command line if you've disabled that
[15:39] <Guest96557> i will try that
[15:39] <Guest96557> brb
[15:39] <Guest96557> ty
[18:18] <TimeVirus> I'm beginning to believe my wifi driver is crap (over time seems to be getting worse) If I sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer will it over-write what is there currently?
[18:18] <Unit193> I don't remember how the postinst script runs, but you should still have the tarball and fw-cutter, so why not just re-extract?
[18:19] <holstein> TimeVirus: you can remove what you installed before, to make sure.. you can also usually "get away" with adding those in a live iso, and testing.. personally, i'll just pull them out, and swap the hardware, since, i find the cost so low to replace, and give me a much easier time in the OS i choose to use
[18:19] <holstein> though, i agree with Unit193 ^
[18:20] <holstein> personally, i'll try all options i can.. even the windows driver in ndiswrapper.. i'll test a bit, and then, replace the hardware if i cant find something acceptably stable
[18:26] <TimeVirus> I sure hope I dont run into this crud with intel 6205 wifi
[18:27] <holstein> when you have the opportunity, buy with linux support in mind
[18:29] <TimeVirus> intel is not ?
[18:30] <holstein> TimeVirus: anything can be.. intel just makes hardware.. if someone, such as intel, specifically provides linux support, thats great
[18:30] <TimeVirus> intel make drivers as well as hw, no?
[18:31] <holstein> TimeVirus: ask them.. they (intel) typically support linux.. but, if they dont, they dont.. and, with some hardware they dont
[18:31] <TimeVirus> dont the maunafcturers of some given hardware make the drivers?
[18:31] <holstein> the issue is, just buying some hardware, of any manufacturer, and expecting linux to "just work"
[18:32] <TimeVirus> so I need to learn how to write my own driver. But that is not legal most of the time, right?
[18:32] <holstein> i find it helpful to, before purchase, do some research, and see where the linux support is, if at all. and try to make sure i can return the hardware if it doenst work for my needs
[18:32] <holstein> TimeVirus: legal? to write software?
[18:32] <TimeVirus> drivers
[18:32] <TimeVirus> firmware
[18:32] <holstein> TimeVirus: it would likely be illegal to see a driver like that, in some way
[18:32] <holstein> but, you wont make a "better" driver than what is already out there
[18:32] <holstein> the issue is, maybe, as in your case, thats the "best" driver option there is
[18:33] <holstein> linux isnt doing anything to prevent broadcom from making a driver.. but, if they dont, and they also dont provide information that allows a community member, or another company to, then, the support can be with compromise, or non-existent
[18:33] <TimeVirus> so were is the DB that would tell me if some given hw has linux driver?
[18:33] <holstein> TimeVirus: ideally, each manufacturer would provide that
[18:34] <holstein> TimeVirus: and, they actually do.. its just empty for most, since, they dont provide *any* linux support
[18:34] <holstein> TimeVirus: all im saying is, it can be beneficial to ask the question *before* getting hardware.. and expect linux support from the manufacturer
[18:34] <TimeVirus> ask who?
[18:34] <holstein> TimeVirus: the creator of the hardware
[18:35] <holstein> TimeVirus: linux is completely open. .anyone can choose to support it.. if they dont, then, it can be problematic for the end user trying to use it
[18:37] <holstein> all im suggesting is, take the responsiblilty on. try and not approach it like "well, im going to buy something that specifically states support for windows and OSX on the box, and i certainly hope linux supports it".. take a step back at that point, and check for a linux supported device
[18:37] <bazhang> device id ubuntu <--- thats the search term I use
[18:38] <bazhang> if the only listing are in hindi on a google search, then dont buy it
[18:38] <holstein> yup. or "linux".. or "debian".. all of that can be relevant.. but, its handy to do that before purchase, or make sure you can return the device
[18:38] <holstein> since, you are not promised linux support..
[18:39] <holstein> the chipsets can change, as well.. all the manufacturer has to do is provide the drivers they promise.. and if the chipset changes, you *could* read, certain device works in ubuntu.. but, the *same* device doenst for you and others
[18:39] <holstein> being specific with the device ID helps with that ^
[18:39] <bazhang> even companies that DO write device drivers, like certain NIC devices, dont always do a good job of it
[18:39] <holstein> yup.. :/
[18:40] <holstein> i find, its "better" with ones that just provide information
[18:40] <bazhang> ralink comes to mind
[18:41] <bazhang> research first always
[18:41] <holstein> sometimes, you get handed hardware.. and thats fine. but, you cant expect magic from linux.. linux is not able to facilitate its support onto all devices
[18:42] <holstein> those companies pay folks to make and test drivers and software for the operating systems they promise support for.. we take that responsibility on ourselves when we run another OS on the hardware and support it ourselves
[20:04] <oddi> hi, is there a non pae iso of xubuntu available for download?
[20:05] <Unit193> There are only PAE and 64bit images.
[20:05] <oddi> guess i'm stuck with 12.04 then :/
[20:06] <oddi> thanks anyways
[20:06] <Unit193> oddi: What processor/
[20:07] <oddi> 2 sec, let me check
[20:07] <oddi> pentium m
[20:07] <Unit193> There's a chance you can use forcepae=1
[20:08] <oddi> i'll give it a try, thanks :)
[20:08] <Unit193> Good luck.
[20:12] <oddi> it worked, thanks alot
[20:12] <Unit193> Great.
[21:06] <xubuntu93w> Hi all! I need some help after upgrading to Vivid Vervet. Switching to Console mode (CTRL-ALT-F1, CTRL-ALT-F2...) is no longer working, as screns stay completely black. Any ideas please?
[21:29] <sky1215> hello  everyone i'm new to xubuntu
[21:29] <sky1215> so far i like it
[21:29] <knome> glad to hear
[21:30] <sky1215> i like it better than regular ubuntu. It seems lighter and faster
[21:30] <sky1215> so is this the official support channel?
[21:30] <sky1215> for tech support or is this general chat channel?
[21:30] <knome> as the topic says, this is the support channel
[21:31] <knome> general chatter at #xubuntu-offtopic
[21:31] <sky1215> oh sorry didn't see that
[21:31] <sky1215> ok
[21:31] <sky1215> thnx
[21:32] <sky1215> how can i register my nick?
[21:33] <knome> !register | sky1215
[21:34] <sky1215> ok thanks so much
[22:54] <yousir> How do i change the "Whisker Menu" style, to the more minimal one, without the search bar?
[22:56] <Unit193> Remove whisker from the panel, add "Applications menu"
[22:57] <yousir> Unit193:Thanks dude! :)
[22:58] <Unit193> Sure thing.
[23:01] <pjotter> could someone explain: What is the difference between the panel notification area and the xfce4-indicator-plugin? Why do some icons appear in the notification area and others as an icon in the indicator area?
[23:02] <Unit193> Because some are indicators, some are tray icons.
[23:03] <deltaray> brainwash: By the way, it was the bug with the multi monitor setup. Sorry, got called away from the discussion.
[23:03] <pjotter> Ok, so what exactly is an 'indicator'?
[23:04] <pjotter> I use, for instance, the app. 'radiotray'. If I run it, it appears as an icon in the indicator area?
[23:06] <pjotter> But if I run the taskmanager, it appears in the notification area.
[23:34] <knome> pjotter, some applications provide indicators, others tray icons
[23:35] <knome> pjotter, they look and feel more or less the same for the end user
[23:52] <pjotter> knome. Yes, indeed. Hence, my question. Thanks for the answer.