[00:11] <darthanubis> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339094#c15
[06:15] <soee> someone seen this: gtk-update-icon-cache-3.0: The generated cache was invalid. ?
[06:33] <kfunk> how are the policies wrt the KF5 version in 15.04, given that there are no point releases for KF usually -- is it going to stay at 5.9?
[07:25] <Etriaph> kfunk: Best to ask in #kubuntu
[07:26] <Etriaph> This channel is for development only.
[07:38] <Tm_T> Etriaph: I think that is actually development question
[07:42] <Etriaph> Tm_T: The question was repeated twice I think, I regarded it as spam.
[07:42] <Etriaph> My apologies if that's not the case.
[07:45] <Tm_T> Etriaph: heh, if it's spam it doesn't belong to support channels either, no it's not spam but very important question
[07:45] <sitter> what be the question?
[07:45] <Tm_T> how are the policies wrt the KF5 version in 15.04, given that there are no point releases for KF usually -- is it going to stay at  5.9?
[07:46] <Tm_T> I'm interested too what is the way we can go with KF5
[07:48] <sitter> kfunk: undecided. it probably will stay though, at least for non-lts releases. I imagine it a bit too cumbersome to run all framework releases through the process what with all the paperwork
[07:50] <sitter> there's also the problem of unreliable compatibility right now as dicussed numerous times on the frameworks devel list
[07:53] <Riddell> I expect for backports, doing SRUs takes more person-power and may not be possible as sitter says
[07:56] <kfunk> ok, good to know
[07:57] <kfunk> I'm just trying to figure on what KF5 to stabilize kdevelop5 on, and 5.9 seems to be a suitable target
[07:57] <kfunk> on what KF5 version*
[08:08] <Riddell> kfunk: yes that seems sensible
[08:11] <blaze`> why plasma desktop depends on plasma-nm?
[08:12] <blaze`> i never asked for this
[08:15] <blaze> now i have to manually shutdown network-manager every time after boot
[08:15] <blaze> what a mess
[08:22] <Riddell> sgclark: you added that, do you remember why? ↑
[08:24] <ejay> Good morning. I want to build Amarok from source. I'm on plasma5 and cmake stops on FindKDE4. Question is - do I have to install/compile kde4 dev libs? Is it even possible to intall those lib in plasma5?
[08:26] <soee> hmm, not sure why but here at work my PC wont reboot using buttons in menu or from Leave screen
[08:26] <soee> it just ends with black screen and cursor visible (i can access yakuake and krunner to)
[08:28] <Riddell> ejay: amarok is a kdelibs4 applications, there's no frameworks version yet (that might be a gsoc project) so yes you need to install kdelibs5-dev
[08:33] <sitter> Riddell: does the next series have a name yet?
[08:33]  * sitter can't find nothing
[08:34] <Riddell> sitter: no, have you come up with one?  the whole of ubuntu development is waiting on you
[08:35] <sitter> and here I thought maybe Mark went on vacation and forgot to tell anyone the name
[08:42] <Riddell> sitter: doing libqapt updates, do you have test cases for them? bug 1448929
[08:51] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1448929 bug 1448911 for sru love
[08:54] <sitter> Riddell: second one is a bit tricky to test since you need to actually have a package held on account of a missing dep so that would need manually building a couple of packages and a cache to produce that scenario
[08:55] <sitter> first one is: make sure bluedevil is isntalled, add unstable ppa, update cache, open muon-updater from terminal, output on terminal should include a warning about bluedevil being held but not reported as such
[08:56] <ejay> Riddell, ok, it's compiling now. Thank you.
[10:23] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[10:29] <lordievader> Goede middag.
[11:36] <BluesKaj> hmm, X isn't rendering the desktop background correctly, atm the top of the background is being drawn even with the top of the panel. I have indentations on either side of the panel to facilitate right clicking on the desktop to use the context menu without minimizing the browser etc
[11:37] <BluesKaj> but when rebooting one never knows what will come up, altho all apps seem to be rendered properly 
[11:41] <BluesKaj> I have another drive with exactly the same install and settings on this pc, which is my backup OS for later when we start testing 15.10. However this install isn't suffering from the plasma 5.3 "artifacts" problem. Go figure. :/
[11:50] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1182784 for sru love
[11:51] <Riddell> sitter: I dropped the epoch from bluez-qt incase you missed that, he does want to make it a framework
[11:54] <sitter> ...
[11:55] <sitter> I will very much argue that epochs mustn't be dropped
[11:57] <ScottK> Riddell: Unless none of the packages (source or binary) are going to have the same name, you really can't drop it.
[11:57] <Riddell> sitter: ScottK: it wasn't in the archive
[11:57] <Riddell> or even the backports ppa
[11:57] <Riddell> or even the beta ppa
[11:57] <sitter> it was in CI
[11:58] <ScottK> Well then at least there are choices.
[11:58] <ScottK> Do we encourage people to install from CI?
[11:58] <Riddell> CI has a policiy of "sometimes shit happens" no? that's the case with file overlaps
[11:59] <sitter> Riddell: it doesn't
[12:12] <Riddell> sitter: so should I add it back?
[12:14] <Riddell> do we want a 15.10 kickoff meeting and by what medium?#
[12:19] <BluesKaj> whynot here Riddell ? or a temp chat for a few days
[12:22] <Riddell> I find it nice to have a conversation, makes a change from irc
[12:22] <Riddell> contrarywise I'm planning a plasma meeting now which is by irc to make a change from hangouts :)
[12:44] <ScottK> Riddell: .
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Riddell, btw when is the 15.10/Newname repository going to start populating ...is there a codename yet?
[12:47] <BluesKaj> well i have to go for a few mins ...gotta reboot 
[13:30] <ovidiu-florin> check it out what the OpenSUSE guys did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNkDJk5_9eU
[13:31] <Riddell> amusing but surely the kubuntu 15.04 video is better :)
[13:32] <Riddell> this suse one is all very fancy but does it give you a good overview of the new features?
[13:37] <BluesKaj>  dropbox script doesn't startup, even tho it's enabled with systemctl and added to systemsettings startup ...not even listed in system tray options either
[13:39] <starbuck11> Riddell: it works with the penguin via "o-o-opensource" for a start... not too shaby since Novell-MS took over :)
[13:45] <BluesKaj> hmm, kde-look.org has been down for 2 days of maintenance, surely it can't be that broken ?
[14:17] <Riddell> sitter: qt-gstreamer packaging is hopefully nearly ready, detrout likes to use one of these weird upstream source in the packaging git methods, can kci handle that?
[14:18] <sitter> it cannot
[14:18] <sitter> well, technically it can
[14:19] <Riddell> but when it's feeling artistic..?
[14:55] <Riddell> sitter: qt-gstreamer now has a kubuntu_unstable branch
[14:56] <sitter> weeh
[15:00] <sitter> there is so much crap that needs to be done to make kci better
[15:02] <sitter> Riddell: btw, someone needs to set time aside for merging
[15:03] <sitter> master is presently not being merged because the branches conflicted when I first attempted to add master into the standard merge order
[15:03] <sitter> so I'd need to do that and then someone gets to spend a day resolving merge conflicts most likely
[15:03] <sitter> shadeslayer: ^ prolly relevant to you
[15:04] <shadeslayer> mmmh
[15:05] <Riddell> sounds fun :)
[15:05] <shadeslayer> sitter: too much todo
[15:05]  * shadeslayer dies
[15:05] <Riddell> it'll be less hassle than it has been in any previous cycle
[15:06] <sitter> yeah, it's literally just doing that initial merge
[15:06] <sitter> after that we can leave master in the merge order and resolve conflicts atomically as it arises
[15:06] <sitter> s/it/they
[15:06] <Riddell> lovely
[15:08] <sitter> Riddell: no luck with full source branches http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_unstable_qt-gstreamer/1/consoleFull 
[15:09] <sitter> actually full source has its fair share of problems with CI ... namely KCI would have to import upstream git into debian git otherwise the branches are well mental
[15:10] <Riddell> all solvable, UDD does it, and UDD is great
[15:10] <Riddell> oh a large waste of time
[15:10] <Riddell> one or the other
[15:24] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: ping
[15:25] <Riddell> sitter: purpose now has a branch in frameworks for packaging
[15:26] <sitter> Riddell: pardon
[15:26] <sitter> ?
[15:27] <Riddell> sitter: are you wondering what it's all about?
[15:27] <Riddell> git clone debian:frameworks/purpose   has the answers
[15:32] <ovidiu-florin> Sick_Rimmit: ping
[15:32] <sitter> xaaahhhhhhhhhhhh
[15:33]  * ovidiu-florin is broken again
[15:33] <sitter> Riddell: not sure what to do with qt-gstreamer tbh
[15:34]  * Riddell calls all the kings horses and all the kings men
[15:35] <Riddell> sitter: we could just make our own repository for it that doesn't have upstream branch.  or we could just not CI it since it's not like there's any upstream work going on to care about
[15:35] <sitter> I am fine with either
[15:36] <Riddell> sitter: go with not CIing it then, just copy it over from ~jr to ~kubuntu-ci
[15:36] <sitter> Riddell: where do we need it though?
[15:37] <Riddell> sitter: kamoso, which I'm packaging now
[15:37] <sitter> ah
[15:37] <sitter> copying over is also a bit meh
[15:38] <sitter> actually perhaps I should just build a bit of tech around that
[15:38] <sitter> because we have already quite some things that are in the repo but not integrated (e.g. telepathyqt) and those will be needed for backports as well, so putting them in some isolated repo for deps would probably be handy
[15:38] <sitter> like we had for qt54 on utopic
[15:39] <Riddell> yeah
[15:48] <sitter> purpose should build in nightly build
[15:48]  * sitter out
[15:50] <Riddell> thanks sitter 
[16:56] <Riddell> ta da http://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/825994-kubuntu-1504-plasma-53-review
[16:57] <Riddell> mparillo: can you do your awesome wire post thing?
[16:57] <Riddell> ↑
[17:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you know that mitrix makes a rolling release? http://www.linuxveda.com/2014/07/08/exclusive-interview-nitrux-founder-uri-herrera/
[17:08] <shadeslayer> mmm
[17:12] <Riddell> nitrux
[17:12] <mparillo> Riddell: On it.
[17:13] <Riddell> :)
[17:16] <genii> Hm... should there be a Kubuntu-specific spiel for the !contribute factoid in #kubuntu, or is the default fine?
[17:17] <Riddell> dunno what's it say?
[17:17] <genii> !contribute
[17:17] <genii> Some guy was just mentioning donating is why I mention it
[17:19] <Riddell> https://www.kde.org/community/donations/ probably best for money donations, there's http://www.kubuntu.org/donate too
[17:20] <Riddell> genii: http://www.kubuntu.org/community/contribute better for kubuntu for factoid
[17:21] <genii> Just checking the other..
[17:21] <genii> !donate
[17:22] <genii> Riddell: I'll make the changes in the next little while as I have time from work
[17:27] <genii> ( I think to !donate and I'll leave the other as is )
[17:36] <yofel> Riddell: wrt. tagging that maxy mentioned, kubuntu-archive-upload has a commented out tag line that should work. Could you test that and enable it if it works?
[17:45] <genii> !donate-#kubuntu
[17:57] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun you around?
[17:59] <Riddell> yofel: gotcha, will investigate
[18:17] <mhall119> ScottK: are there sessions you want to add to UOS for things like Qt version landings?
[18:18] <ScottK> mhall119: We need to discuss that.  In the past it was foundations that scheduled it, but you said they aren't participating.  Not sure who all it needs agreeing with.
[18:18] <mhall119> ScottK: the same people will be around, but there isn't a Foundations track specifically for them
[18:19] <ScottK> Well it's not really a foundations issue, they just coordinated.  It's whoever on the Canonical side is using Qt5 and targeting "W" plus that people on the distro team beyond us doing Qt5 packaging work.
[18:20] <mhall119> ScottK: also, would anybody like to give a video demo of Plasma 5, like we had on a past Q&A?
[18:20] <mhall119> Riddell: I think you gave that demo, right?
[18:20] <ScottK> Anyone? ^^^
[18:36] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: just got home
[18:37] <ovidiu-florin> hey ahoneybun
[18:37] <ovidiu-florin> I can't get in touch with rick
[18:38] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: ok we can do the meetings, make a doodle and trello cards based on our results and email him the links
[18:38] <ahoneybun> if you stll want to do it
[18:38] <ahoneybun> *meeting
[18:40] <ahoneybun> up to you
[18:43] <ovidiu-florin> sure
[18:43] <ovidiu-florin> give me a moment
[18:43] <ahoneybun> ok
[18:48] <ahoneybun> http://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/825994-kubuntu-1504-plasma-53-review
[18:51] <mhall119> ahoneybun: just reading that now :)
[18:51] <ahoneybun> mhall119: did you get the email from John?
[18:53] <mhall119> ahoneybun: I did, unfortunately I don't think I can make it
[18:53] <mhall119> Andres seems to be going though
[18:53] <ahoneybun> mhall119: its all good
[19:04] <ahoneybun> Riddell: mhall119 I got my passport today!
[19:06] <mhall119> \o/
[19:07] <mhall119> ahoneybun: so this is your first akademy then?
[19:07] <ahoneybun> yea
[19:07] <mhall119> and first time outside the USA
[19:07] <ahoneybun> yea
[19:07] <ahoneybun> first time on a plane ask well
[19:07] <mhall119> oh really?
[19:07] <ahoneybun> yes
[19:07] <ahoneybun> so yea
[19:07] <mhall119> a trans-atlantic flight wouldn't be my recommended introduction to air travel
[19:08] <ahoneybun> oh well
[19:08] <ahoneybun> all for fun and free software
[19:08] <mhall119> ahoneybun: do you have a GMS phone?
[19:08] <ahoneybun> GSM ye[
[19:08] <ahoneybun> OnePlus One Unlocked
[19:09] <mhall119> they sell local SIM cards at kiosks in the airports now, it's good to have access to maps and other data when traveling somewhere new
[19:09] <mhall119> otherwise I'm sure the rest of the Kubuntu team will take good care of you over there :)
[19:09] <ahoneybun> yea I'm hoping lol
[19:10] <ahoneybun> going to grab a map, sim card and 
[19:11] <ahoneybun> mhall119: are you free for a hangout?
[19:17] <mhall119> ahoneybun: sure
[19:18] <ovidiu-florin> mhall119: this hangout is live
[19:18] <ovidiu-florin> thought you should know
[19:18] <ovidiu-florin> are you ok with that?
[19:18] <mhall119> oh, yeah, good to know, give me a couple minuts to relocate then
[19:18] <mhall119> ahoneybun: ovidiu-florin what's the topic?
[19:19] <ahoneybun> UOS for Plasma 5
[19:19] <ahoneybun> Plasma 5 Demp
[19:19] <ahoneybun> *Demo
[19:20] <mhall119> ok, ready to join, link me
[19:20] <ovidiu-florin> mhall119: ahoneybun sent you the link in pm
[19:21] <ovidiu-florin> https://notes.kde.org/p/plasma5_UOS_2015
[19:23] <ovidiu-florin> http://pad.ubuntu.com/plasma5-UOS-2015
[20:20] <sbivol_> in Kubuntu 15.04, users cannot change their password because of missing package (kdepasswd). should I report this against Kubuntu or KDE?
[20:34] <ScottK> sbivol_: Kubuntu
[20:36] <Riddell> sbivol_: just use user-manager?
[20:37] <Quintasan> shadeslayer, Riddell, yofel: Any of you have linkedin profile?
[20:37] <shadeslayer> yeah
[20:37]  * shadeslayer is so tired
[20:37] <Quintasan> Did you actually get any offers?
[20:37] <shadeslayer> not really
[20:37] <shadeslayer> never bothered tbh
[20:37] <Quintasan> I've been pestered by people to make a profile there god know what for.
[20:38] <shadeslayer> I'm there for the same reason I'm on facebook
[20:38] <shadeslayer> everyone I knew had a profile
[20:38] <shadeslayer> so why the heck not
[20:38] <shadeslayer> god i need a SSD
[20:38] <sbivol_> Riddell: I tried systemsettings/kcm_useraccount -> Change Password
[20:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: whatcha doing
[20:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I was enjoying the new looks hospital
[20:39] <ahoneybun> hola Riddell
[20:40] <Riddell> ahoneybun: buenos noches
[20:40] <sbivol_> ScottK: I can't find any relevant Launchpad project to report against; there is no project named "Kubuntu" and "kubuntu-packaging" looks like the wrong place
[20:40] <ahoneybun> Riddell: me and ovidiu-florin are in a hangout talking about UOS if you would like/have time to join
[20:40] <ScottK> sbivol_: Ubuntu is the project.  Report against the kubutu-defaults package
[20:40] <Riddell> sbivol_: we don't include kdepassword because we include user-manager
[20:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: there's a new tapas bar there we should try out
[20:43] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: HEY
[20:43] <Riddell> hola ovidiu-florin 
[20:44] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: care to join our Hangout now?
[20:44] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: I'm on g+ if you want to invite me
[20:44] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: it's live
[20:44] <sbivol_> Riddell: the password cannot be changed from System Settings because "the internal program 'kdepasswd' could not be found". Tried that on two different computers. Am I doing something wrong?
[20:44] <ovidiu-florin> are you ok with that?
[20:45] <Riddell> sbivol_: ah now that sounds like a bug
[20:45] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: am I ok with you inviting me? dunno invite me and we'll find out :)
[20:45] <ahoneybun> its live Riddell
[20:47] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I gave you the link in PM
[20:52] <sbivol_> ScottK: is thisthe correct package to report against? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings
[20:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: sure
[20:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: when Nim's back?
[20:53] <sbivol_> couldn't find a "kubuntu-defaults" package
[20:54] <ScottK> sbivol_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta
[20:54] <ScottK> Sorry for the wrong name.
[20:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: wed
[20:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we can go then :)
[21:10] <ahoneybun> great talk ovidiu-florin
[21:10] <sbivol_> ScottK: reported, thanks for helping! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/1449265
[21:10] <ovidiu-florin> awesome
[21:10] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ yon beastie looks like something that ought to be fixed.
[21:12] <Riddell> ScottK: sbivol_ ah it's a problem with accounts kcm
[21:12] <Riddell> that kcm should die a death
[21:12] <Riddell> but needs some investigation for migrating its settings to accountsmanager
[21:12] <Riddell> and I guess in the mean time it should be fixed
[21:18]  * Riddell milestones
[21:19] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: Riddell 1:59:29
[21:19] <ovidiu-florin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar83yJm6Gpg&ab_channel=Ovidiu-FlorinBOGDAN
[21:21] <ahoneybun> almost 2 hours
[21:24]  * ahoneybun sends link to other people and is off.
[21:24] <ovidiu-florin> let's see ig google will cut off part of it again
[21:25] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: rick is online
[21:25] <ovidiu-florin> just now
[21:25] <ovidiu-florin> :P
[23:30] <_Groo_> hi guys
[23:30] <_Groo_> can someone tell me where bluetooth went in 5.04?
[23:30] <_Groo_> bluedevil is installed and so is bluez, but i cant find bluetooth anywhere