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larsugood morning!05:32
pittiGood morning05:38
pittihey larsu!05:38
larsuguten morgen pitti! Gut nach Hause gekommen?05:39
pittilarsu: jau, alles bestens; hatte ein tolles WE mit viel Garten, Gammeln, und Kino :)05:39
pittilarsu: und bei Dir?05:39
larsupitti: auch super. War noch in London bis gestern und bin ein bisschen mit attente durch die Gegend gelaufen05:40
pittilarsu: ah, auch mit beim Phantom?05:41
larsupitti: nee (das waren nur seb und helene, oder?)05:41
pittikann sein, ja05:43
didrocksgood morning05:58
pittibonjour didrocks, ça va ?06:02
didrockspitti: ça va, et toi, bien rentré ?06:02
pittididrocks: oui, et un bien week-end calme, dans le jardin et avec de la glace vraie :)06:03
pittididrocks: et toi ?06:03
didrockspitti: rentré vendredi soir, concert le samedi et piscine/sauna hier, donc tranquille également :)06:03
didrockspitti: did you see bug #1444402?06:19
ubot5bug 1444402 in systemd "While sbuilding, systemd loops attempting to umount the underlay" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144440206:19
didrockspitti: we found with Laney a correspondant upstream bug06:20
didrocksand there was an early patch from February with a commit revert06:20
pittididrocks: yes, I did; I was going to pick up the "tentative" fixes from upstream, build a package in a PPA, and let Laney test it06:20
didrocksand then, we had a laugh when we found out it was your commit :p06:20
didrocksah, there is a real fix?06:20
pittiI hope :)06:20
didrocksnice!06:20
pittiin trunk it should be fairly ok now06:20
pittinot unmounting stuff that we want, but still unmounting stale mounts when devices actually do go away06:21
didrocksquite easy for him to reproduce anyway06:21
pittiyeah, I don't get this, so it'd be good if he could test it06:21
didrockssame here06:21
didrocksI have a similar setup though06:21
didrockswith a temp overlay in my sbuild…06:21
didrockstmpfs*06:22
pittididrocks: oh, do you get the bug?06:22
didrockspitti: no, I have a similar layout than Laney, but without the bug06:22
pittididrocks: so my task for today is bug 1448247, then I'll look into that06:22
ubot5bug 1448247 in pkg-create-dbgsym (Ubuntu W-series) "pkg-create-dbgsym creates -dbgsym packages with the source version, not the binary version" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144824706:22
pittiand bug 1448259 too06:22
ubot5bug 1448259 in systemd (Ubuntu Vivid) "Systemd does not send SIGTERM first on shutdown" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144825906:22
didrocksbut he's having his sbuild in a container AFAIK, that's maybe the cause06:22
pittididrocks: there's one systemd in -proposed, these two (and perhaps more) are queued for the next SRU06:22
didrocksoh, the pkg-create-dbgsym can be quite a blocker for some pacakges…06:23
didrockspackages*06:23
pittididrocks: yeah, gcc mostly06:30
pittibut we do have others which use a different binary version, seems LP checks that carefully06:30
didrocksit's transitional packages for most I would say, so shouldn't impact that much, but still…06:30
willcookemorning07:30
didrocksgood morning willcooke07:33
pittihey willcooke, how are you?07:42
willcookehey pitti didrocks07:44
willcookeanyone else had problems with the Canonical IRC server?  Well, I know lots of people are, but anyone here?07:45
didrockswillcooke: password has changed07:46
didrocksyou should have got a personal one now07:46
willcookedidrocks, yeah, this is with that new password07:47
willcooketalking to IS about it, seems a few are having issues07:47
Sweet5harkmoin08:02
Laneyhey hey08:03
pittihey Laney, hey Sweet5hark, how are you?08:04
larsuhi Laney! Had a good trop home?08:04
larsuhi Sweet5hark!08:04
larsuSweet5hark: how's HH?08:04
didrockshey Sweet5hark, Laney!08:05
Laneyhey pitti, very fine thank you!08:05
Laneywe had some friends over for a cheese party after I got back on Saturday08:05
Laneyas if more food was required :-)08:05
pittihaha08:05
Laneyvery smooth thanks larsu!08:06
Laneydid you have a nice afternoon/evening/return journey?08:06
Laney& hey didrocks ;-)08:06
Laneyhope the parental visit went well08:06
Sweet5harkLaney, pitti, larsu: Good a good trip home. Hamburg is rainy, but not cold. Both is appreciated as it keeps the pollen somewhat under control -- still too many around for my immune system.08:07
larsuLaney: I did indeed. Chilled in London with attente during the day and went dancing all night08:08
pittiah, much nicer here, sunny and all08:08
Laney\o/08:08
Sweet5harkand good morning didrocks too!08:08
larsuLaney: didn't need a room after all ;)08:08
Laneygood work08:08
* Laney does some IRC config mangling08:09
Laneythought I updated this already08:09
didrocksLaney: willcooke has trouble connecting with the right config08:10
didrocksand it seems others as well08:10
pittiLaney: FTR, I don't get bug 1444402, but I'm fairly optimistic that it's fixed in upstream git now; I'll build you a package later on, but I first need to unbreak ddebs08:11
ubot5bug 1444402 in systemd (Ubuntu Vivid) "While sbuilding, systemd loops attempting to umount the underlay" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144440208:11
Laneypitti: okay, thanks - the revert is fine for me meanwhile08:11
pittiLaney: right, but just reverting is wrong too08:11
pitti(for an SRU, I mean)08:12
LaneyI'm sure, but just until there's a real fix08:12
pittiLaney: yep, absolutely fine for you locally08:13
* Sweet5hark wonders about his IRC ssl setup. Connecting to canonical fails with a weird error on the certs. Curiously the same happened with xmpp since London. THEY are out to get me it seems.08:14
willcookeCould someone ping hikiko on Canonical and ask her to ping me on Freenode?08:15
hikikowillcooke, i ll ping you08:15
Laneyhaha08:15
Laneyshortcircuit08:16
willcookeoh08:16
willcookehow strange!08:16
willcookehikiko, I saw you had disconnected, but I must have missed the reconnect08:16
hikiko* Ping reply from willcooke: 0.15 second(s)08:16
hikiko:D08:16
willcookecan haz IRC08:36
willcookeIf you were having issues with the Canonical IRC server try again now, should be sorted08:37
Sweet5harkwillcooke: still auth fails for me here ...08:41
willcookeSweet5hark, join #canonical-sysadmin and spads will help08:42
Sweet5harkwillcooke: thx08:43
RiddellSweet5hark: bug 1448508 for icon love08:52
ubot5bug 1448508 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "SRU libreoffice breeze icons" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144850808:52
Sweet5harkRiddell: Yes, will look at that with 4.4.3 (and when the CVE-2015-1774 is through on all supported releases) ...08:57
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willcookelarsu wins the expenses prize09:38
didrockswell done larsu :)09:39
larsuwillcooke: because I'm first or they're highest? :P09:39
didrockslarsu: told you that you shouldn't have expensed this ferrari…09:40
larsupssst!09:40
larsunobody was supposed to know this!09:40
willcookeFIRST"09:41
larsu:)09:46
larsuI hate expenses, thought I might as well do it immediately09:46
larsufeels much better than doing them 3 weeks later09:46
willcooke+109:46
willcookeI should do mine I suppose09:46
willcooke:(09:46
larsuhaha09:48
larsudoes someone have a 14.04 vm lying around?09:49
larsusomeone on #gtk is seeing a bug in tree views: can't resize columns when horizontal scrollbar is there09:49
willcookelarsu, I'm on 14.04 here still09:53
willcookeyes, I know, and I will upgrade09:54
willcookebut not today09:54
willcookeor this week09:54
willcookelarsu, so in file manager or something like that?09:54
willcookelarsu, yes, it does that09:55
larsudoes what?09:55
larsuyou can't resize?09:55
willcookelarsu, with a horizontal scroll bar I can't resize cols09:55
willcookewithout a scroll bar, I can09:55
larsuwillcooke: cool thanks that all I needed to know09:55
willcookelarsu, you want a video?09:56
larsuwillcooke: ha, no that's good09:56
willcookeoki09:56
larsuwillcooke: it's just that sometimes people have a weird setup and I don't want to waste time, so I get a 2nd opinion :)09:56
willcooke:)09:58
larsuLaney: this ^ might be SRU material for the LTS09:59
larsuseems the bug is fixes in later version10:00
larsu*s10:00
Laneydo you know what commit?10:00
Laneyand is there a bug?10:00
larsuLaney: telling him to file one now10:01
larsuLaney: sorry for the early ping. I was so excited!10:01
Laneyhaha10:01
Laneyuploads are fun, I understand10:02
didrocksSRU even more! :)10:03
* larsu builds old gtk10:03
willcooke_sigh11:07
willcooke_internet11:07
willcooke_sigh11:07
willcooke_car11:07
willcooke_sigh11:07
willcooke_fml11:07
willcooke_Looks like my internet is still messed up11:07
didrocksfml?11:07
willcooke_this afternoon I've got a hosp. appoint with the wife (so I wont be around between about 1400 and 1600)11:07
willcooke_and the car wont start because the battery is dead *again*11:07
willcooke_F*** my life11:07
willcooke_;)11:08
didrockswillcooke_: was googling and found it quite early :p11:08
willcooke_haha!11:08
didrocksseems there is even specilised websites11:08
willcooke_Interestingly though - if I move my PPPoE connection to a Rasp Pi I get 0% packet loss11:08
didrockswe have "vdm" in french for this11:08
willcooke_if I use the router provided by my ISP I get > 60% packet loss11:08
didrocksseriously?11:08
willcooke_so I think I've worked out the cause of the problem11:09
willcooke_I need a sandwich and to think about this some more11:09
willcooke_and tea11:09
* Laney is expecting the double glazing man, exciting11:10
Laneyno more cold office11:10
willcooke_\o/11:13
willcooke_I have to replace all our wooden windows soon, they're rotten11:14
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Laneysame11:14
Laneywe're getting fake wood uPVC11:15
willcookesame!11:15
willcookeBrown wood on the outside, white and smooth on the inside11:15
willcookeI think we can scrape another winter out of these ones11:15
willcooke#windownews11:16
davmor2willcooke: sounds like your alternator maybe dead11:16
willcookedavmor2, nah, it's some deal with the bluetooth module - known issue11:16
davmor2willcooke: but you work on Ubuntu Desktop why would you want news on windows?11:17
willcookeplus Ford being tight and putting the smallest battery they can get away with in there11:17
davmor2willcooke: hahaha11:17
davmor2willcooke: get a skoda much easier and the bluetooth is likely to work.....mostly cause it will get failed till it's fixed if it doesn't work on mine :D11:18
willcooke:)11:20
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didrockswires are the future!11:24
* xnox is lost reading above backlog snippets11:31
xnoxdidrocks: the fml website has french and english editions. I don't get the french one, but seems popular.11:32
davmor2didrocks: past present and future ;)11:33
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Laneylarsu: when you get some free time, can you try ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ww please? I just uploaded o-s disabling gtk2 to there12:57
LaneyI notice that GtkScrolledWindows get some weird grey area when they are scrollable12:57
larsuLaney: I'm about to head out for some errands, but will do when I come back12:58
larsuLaney: and thanks!12:58
Laneynp12:59
Laneydarkxst: ^^^^^^ fyi12:59
Laneycan you remember what the bugs you had last time were?13:00
Laneywe should track them somehow13:00
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attenteis there something special i need to do to copy the files from obj-x86_64-linux-gnu into the debian directory for a cmake-based project?14:31
pittiLaney: bug 1444402 now has a PPA which might fix this (fingers crossed); I followed up with what I need if they don't14:53
ubot5bug 1444402 in systemd (Ubuntu Vivid) "While sbuilding, systemd loops attempting to umount the underlay" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144440214:53
davmor2willcooke: out of interest has anyone tried lowering the amount of ram their machine has to see how well ubuntu-next runs on it?  ie can we still meet these specs with unity8 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements15:00
davmor2willcooke: or do we need to lower/raise that spec ?15:01
* larsu doubts that we need to lower it15:01
larsuthese are specs for current unity?15:01
larsuwhat about gpu?15:01
larsuah, it says further down15:02
Laneyattente: dh should set DESTDIR on make install automatically15:02
davmor2larsu: VGA capable of 1024x768 screen resolution15:02
Laneypitti: ack, thanks - will try tomorrow; going away now15:02
pittiLaney: enjoy the sun!15:02
pittior climbing, or whereever you go :)15:03
Laneyclimbing, you got it ;-)15:03
attenteLaney: have a good one15:03
larsudavmor2: right, but that's fallback. It says further down that 3D acceleration is needed for unity, and that won't change for unity815:03
Laneypitti: btw running sbuild inside lxc is probably an ingredient of this bug15:03
pittiLaney: in lxc? it for sure is15:03
LaneyI notice that I forgot to mention this. :)15:04
didrocksLaney: where is my sun btw? I'm going to go to a protest for the UK to give it back to us!15:04
pittithat explains why we didn't get it earlier15:04
pittididrocks: nous avons beaucoup du soleil ici :)15:04
pittiI've just been out for some 45 mins of basketball practice, and was sweating15:04
didrockswaow, lucky you :)15:04
davmor2larsu: so it does15:04
Laneyhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/10912230/15:05
Laneythat is fstab of the container15:05
* Laney waves good afternoon15:05
larsuLaney: just when I upgraded with your ppa. Enjoy!15:12
Hallo32Are there any information about the future of umake?16:47
Hallo32Will it support libs like boost and other stuff?16:47
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