[05:32] <larsu> good morning!
[05:38] <pitti> Good morning
[05:38] <pitti> hey larsu!
[05:39] <larsu> guten morgen pitti! Gut nach Hause gekommen?
[05:39] <pitti> larsu: jau, alles bestens; hatte ein tolles WE mit viel Garten, Gammeln, und Kino :)
[05:39] <pitti> larsu: und bei Dir?
[05:40] <larsu> pitti: auch super. War noch in London bis gestern und bin ein bisschen mit attente durch die Gegend gelaufen
[05:41] <pitti> larsu: ah, auch mit beim Phantom?
[05:41] <larsu> pitti: nee (das waren nur seb und helene, oder?)
[05:43] <pitti> kann sein, ja
[05:58] <didrocks> good morning
[06:02] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, ça va ?
[06:02] <didrocks> pitti: ça va, et toi, bien rentré ?
[06:03] <pitti> didrocks: oui, et un bien week-end calme, dans le jardin et avec de la glace vraie :)
[06:03] <pitti> didrocks: et toi ?
[06:03] <didrocks> pitti: rentré vendredi soir, concert le samedi et piscine/sauna hier, donc tranquille également :)
[06:19] <didrocks> pitti: did you see bug #1444402?
[06:20] <didrocks> pitti: we found with Laney a correspondant upstream bug
[06:20] <didrocks> and there was an early patch from February with a commit revert
[06:20] <pitti> didrocks: yes, I did; I was going to pick up the "tentative" fixes from upstream, build a package in a PPA, and let Laney test it
[06:20] <didrocks> and then, we had a laugh when we found out it was your commit :p
[06:20] <didrocks> ah, there is a real fix?
[06:20] <pitti> I hope :)
[06:20] <didrocks> nice!
[06:20] <pitti> in trunk it should be fairly ok now
[06:21] <pitti> not unmounting stuff that we want, but still unmounting stale mounts when devices actually do go away
[06:21] <didrocks> quite easy for him to reproduce anyway
[06:21] <pitti> yeah, I don't get this, so it'd be good if he could test it
[06:21] <didrocks> same here
[06:21] <didrocks> I have a similar setup though
[06:21] <didrocks> with a temp overlay in my sbuild…
[06:22] <didrocks> tmpfs*
[06:22] <pitti> didrocks: oh, do you get the bug?
[06:22] <didrocks> pitti: no, I have a similar layout than Laney, but without the bug
[06:22] <pitti> didrocks: so my task for today is bug 1448247, then I'll look into that
[06:22] <pitti> and bug 1448259 too
[06:22] <didrocks> but he's having his sbuild in a container AFAIK, that's maybe the cause
[06:22] <pitti> didrocks: there's one systemd in -proposed, these two (and perhaps more) are queued for the next SRU
[06:23] <didrocks> oh, the pkg-create-dbgsym can be quite a blocker for some pacakges…
[06:23] <didrocks> packages*
[06:30] <pitti> didrocks: yeah, gcc mostly
[06:30] <pitti> but we do have others which use a different binary version, seems LP checks that carefully
[06:30] <didrocks> it's transitional packages for most I would say, so shouldn't impact that much, but still…
[07:30] <willcooke> morning
[07:33] <didrocks> good morning willcooke
[07:42] <pitti> hey willcooke, how are you?
[07:44] <willcooke> hey pitti didrocks
[07:45] <willcooke> anyone else had problems with the Canonical IRC server?  Well, I know lots of people are, but anyone here?
[07:46] <didrocks> willcooke: password has changed
[07:46] <didrocks> you should have got a personal one now
[07:47] <willcooke> didrocks, yeah, this is with that new password
[07:47] <willcooke> talking to IS about it, seems a few are having issues
[08:02] <Sweet5hark> moin
[08:03] <Laney> hey hey
[08:04] <pitti> hey Laney, hey Sweet5hark, how are you?
[08:04] <larsu> hi Laney! Had a good trop home?
[08:04] <larsu> hi Sweet5hark!
[08:04] <larsu> Sweet5hark: how's HH?
[08:05] <didrocks> hey Sweet5hark, Laney!
[08:05] <Laney> hey pitti, very fine thank you!
[08:05] <Laney> we had some friends over for a cheese party after I got back on Saturday
[08:05] <Laney> as if more food was required :-)
[08:05] <pitti> haha
[08:06] <Laney> very smooth thanks larsu!
[08:06] <Laney> did you have a nice afternoon/evening/return journey?
[08:06] <Laney> & hey didrocks ;-)
[08:06] <Laney> hope the parental visit went well
[08:07] <Sweet5hark> Laney, pitti, larsu: Good a good trip home. Hamburg is rainy, but not cold. Both is appreciated as it keeps the pollen somewhat under control -- still too many around for my immune system.
[08:08] <larsu> Laney: I did indeed. Chilled in London with attente during the day and went dancing all night
[08:08] <pitti> ah, much nicer here, sunny and all
[08:08] <Laney> \o/
[08:08] <Sweet5hark> and good morning didrocks too!
[08:08] <larsu> Laney: didn't need a room after all ;)
[08:08] <Laney> good work
[08:09]  * Laney does some IRC config mangling
[08:09] <Laney> thought I updated this already
[08:10] <didrocks> Laney: willcooke has trouble connecting with the right config
[08:10] <didrocks> and it seems others as well
[08:11] <pitti> Laney: FTR, I don't get bug 1444402, but I'm fairly optimistic that it's fixed in upstream git now; I'll build you a package later on, but I first need to unbreak ddebs
[08:11] <Laney> pitti: okay, thanks - the revert is fine for me meanwhile
[08:11] <pitti> Laney: right, but just reverting is wrong too
[08:12] <pitti> (for an SRU, I mean)
[08:12] <Laney> I'm sure, but just until there's a real fix
[08:13] <pitti> Laney: yep, absolutely fine for you locally
[08:14]  * Sweet5hark wonders about his IRC ssl setup. Connecting to canonical fails with a weird error on the certs. Curiously the same happened with xmpp since London. THEY are out to get me it seems.
[08:15] <willcooke> Could someone ping hikiko on Canonical and ask her to ping me on Freenode?
[08:15] <hikiko> willcooke, i ll ping you
[08:15] <Laney> haha
[08:16] <Laney> shortcircuit
[08:16] <willcooke> oh
[08:16] <willcooke> how strange!
[08:16] <willcooke> hikiko, I saw you had disconnected, but I must have missed the reconnect
[08:16] <hikiko> * Ping reply from willcooke: 0.15 second(s)
[08:16] <hikiko> :D
[08:36] <willcooke> can haz IRC
[08:37] <willcooke> If you were having issues with the Canonical IRC server try again now, should be sorted
[08:41] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: still auth fails for me here ...
[08:42] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, join #canonical-sysadmin and spads will help
[08:43] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: thx
[08:52] <Riddell> Sweet5hark: bug 1448508 for icon love
[08:57] <Sweet5hark> Riddell: Yes, will look at that with 4.4.3 (and when the CVE-2015-1774 is through on all supported releases) ...
[09:38] <willcooke> larsu wins the expenses prize
[09:39] <didrocks> well done larsu :)
[09:39] <larsu> willcooke: because I'm first or they're highest? :P
[09:40] <didrocks> larsu: told you that you shouldn't have expensed this ferrari…
[09:40] <larsu> pssst!
[09:40] <larsu> nobody was supposed to know this!
[09:41] <willcooke> FIRST"
[09:46] <larsu> :)
[09:46] <larsu> I hate expenses, thought I might as well do it immediately
[09:46] <larsu> feels much better than doing them 3 weeks later
[09:46] <willcooke> +1
[09:46] <willcooke> I should do mine I suppose
[09:46] <willcooke> :(
[09:48] <larsu> haha
[09:49] <larsu> does someone have a 14.04 vm lying around?
[09:49] <larsu> someone on #gtk is seeing a bug in tree views: can't resize columns when horizontal scrollbar is there
[09:53] <willcooke> larsu, I'm on 14.04 here still
[09:54] <willcooke> yes, I know, and I will upgrade
[09:54] <willcooke> but not today
[09:54] <willcooke> or this week
[09:54] <willcooke> larsu, so in file manager or something like that?
[09:55] <willcooke> larsu, yes, it does that
[09:55] <larsu> does what?
[09:55] <larsu> you can't resize?
[09:55] <willcooke> larsu, with a horizontal scroll bar I can't resize cols
[09:55] <willcooke> without a scroll bar, I can
[09:55] <larsu> willcooke: cool thanks that all I needed to know
[09:56] <willcooke> larsu, you want a video?
[09:56] <larsu> willcooke: ha, no that's good
[09:56] <willcooke> oki
[09:56] <larsu> willcooke: it's just that sometimes people have a weird setup and I don't want to waste time, so I get a 2nd opinion :)
[09:58] <willcooke> :)
[09:59] <larsu> Laney: this ^ might be SRU material for the LTS
[10:00] <larsu> seems the bug is fixes in later version
[10:00] <larsu> *s
[10:00] <Laney> do you know what commit?
[10:00] <Laney> and is there a bug?
[10:01] <larsu> Laney: telling him to file one now
[10:01] <larsu> Laney: sorry for the early ping. I was so excited!
[10:01] <Laney> haha
[10:02] <Laney> uploads are fun, I understand
[10:03] <didrocks> SRU even more! :)
[10:03]  * larsu builds old gtk
[11:07] <willcooke_> sigh
[11:07] <willcooke_> internet
[11:07] <willcooke_> sigh
[11:07] <willcooke_> car
[11:07] <willcooke_> sigh
[11:07] <willcooke_> fml
[11:07] <willcooke_> Looks like my internet is still messed up
[11:07] <didrocks> fml?
[11:07] <willcooke_> this afternoon I've got a hosp. appoint with the wife (so I wont be around between about 1400 and 1600)
[11:07] <willcooke_> and the car wont start because the battery is dead *again*
[11:07] <willcooke_> F*** my life
[11:08] <willcooke_> ;)
[11:08] <didrocks> willcooke_: was googling and found it quite early :p
[11:08] <willcooke_> haha!
[11:08] <didrocks> seems there is even specilised websites
[11:08] <willcooke_> Interestingly though - if I move my PPPoE connection to a Rasp Pi I get 0% packet loss
[11:08] <didrocks> we have "vdm" in french for this
[11:08] <willcooke_> if I use the router provided by my ISP I get > 60% packet loss
[11:08] <didrocks> seriously?
[11:09] <willcooke_> so I think I've worked out the cause of the problem
[11:09] <willcooke_> I need a sandwich and to think about this some more
[11:09] <willcooke_> and tea
[11:10]  * Laney is expecting the double glazing man, exciting
[11:10] <Laney> no more cold office
[11:13] <willcooke_> \o/
[11:14] <willcooke_> I have to replace all our wooden windows soon, they're rotten
[11:14] <Laney> same
[11:15] <Laney> we're getting fake wood uPVC
[11:15] <willcooke> same!
[11:15] <willcooke> Brown wood on the outside, white and smooth on the inside
[11:15] <willcooke> I think we can scrape another winter out of these ones
[11:16] <willcooke> #windownews
[11:16] <davmor2> willcooke: sounds like your alternator maybe dead
[11:16] <willcooke> davmor2, nah, it's some deal with the bluetooth module - known issue
[11:17] <davmor2> willcooke: but you work on Ubuntu Desktop why would you want news on windows?
[11:17] <willcooke> plus Ford being tight and putting the smallest battery they can get away with in there
[11:17] <davmor2> willcooke: hahaha
[11:18] <davmor2> willcooke: get a skoda much easier and the bluetooth is likely to work.....mostly cause it will get failed till it's fixed if it doesn't work on mine :D
[11:20] <willcooke> :)
[11:24] <didrocks> wires are the future!
[11:31]  * xnox is lost reading above backlog snippets
[11:32] <xnox> didrocks: the fml website has french and english editions. I don't get the french one, but seems popular.
[11:33] <davmor2> didrocks: past present and future ;)
[12:57] <Laney> larsu: when you get some free time, can you try ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ww please? I just uploaded o-s disabling gtk2 to there
[12:57] <Laney> I notice that GtkScrolledWindows get some weird grey area when they are scrollable
[12:58] <larsu> Laney: I'm about to head out for some errands, but will do when I come back
[12:58] <larsu> Laney: and thanks!
[12:59] <Laney> np
[12:59] <Laney> darkxst: ^^^^^^ fyi
[13:00] <Laney> can you remember what the bugs you had last time were?
[13:00] <Laney> we should track them somehow
[14:31] <attente> is there something special i need to do to copy the files from obj-x86_64-linux-gnu into the debian directory for a cmake-based project?
[14:53] <pitti> Laney: bug 1444402 now has a PPA which might fix this (fingers crossed); I followed up with what I need if they don't
[15:00] <davmor2> willcooke: out of interest has anyone tried lowering the amount of ram their machine has to see how well ubuntu-next runs on it?  ie can we still meet these specs with unity8 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[15:01] <davmor2> willcooke: or do we need to lower/raise that spec ?
[15:01]  * larsu doubts that we need to lower it
[15:01] <larsu> these are specs for current unity?
[15:01] <larsu> what about gpu?
[15:02] <larsu> ah, it says further down
[15:02] <Laney> attente: dh should set DESTDIR on make install automatically
[15:02] <davmor2> larsu: VGA capable of 1024x768 screen resolution
[15:02] <Laney> pitti: ack, thanks - will try tomorrow; going away now
[15:02] <pitti> Laney: enjoy the sun!
[15:03] <pitti> or climbing, or whereever you go :)
[15:03] <Laney> climbing, you got it ;-)
[15:03] <attente> Laney: have a good one
[15:03] <larsu> davmor2: right, but that's fallback. It says further down that 3D acceleration is needed for unity, and that won't change for unity8
[15:03] <Laney> pitti: btw running sbuild inside lxc is probably an ingredient of this bug
[15:03] <pitti> Laney: in lxc? it for sure is
[15:04] <Laney> I notice that I forgot to mention this. :)
[15:04] <didrocks> Laney: where is my sun btw? I'm going to go to a protest for the UK to give it back to us!
[15:04] <pitti> that explains why we didn't get it earlier
[15:04] <pitti> didrocks: nous avons beaucoup du soleil ici :)
[15:04] <pitti> I've just been out for some 45 mins of basketball practice, and was sweating
[15:04] <didrocks> waow, lucky you :)
[15:04] <davmor2> larsu: so it does
[15:05] <Laney> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10912230/
[15:05] <Laney> that is fstab of the container
[15:05]  * Laney waves good afternoon
[15:12] <larsu> Laney: just when I upgraded with your ppa. Enjoy!
[16:47] <Hallo32> Are there any information about the future of umake?
[16:47] <Hallo32> Will it support libs like boost and other stuff?