[01:58] <Moose> Hello everyone, recently I have gotten very interested in QML through co-coding an app for a client.  I was looking to develop my skills in QML by helping out with Ubuntu because you guys seem to focus heavily on it. I found the Ubuntu Touch/Phone quite interesting. So my question is: How can I join a project and help you guys out?
[04:34] <bzoltan> zbenjamin: hello man ... I have credential issues
[05:02] <bzoltan> zbenjamin: ping
[05:23] <surbiks> hi , i am android developer and want to work with ubuntu touch.i want to create custom of ubuntu touch image , how can i do it?
[05:24] <surbiks> for sample : i want to block install app , and user can use pre-installed app just , how do this?
[06:45] <Mirv> mardy: thanks for the bug #1447175 fix! although there's a test filing, but there's not much sense to not land the #include fix anyway
[06:47] <Mirv> s/filing/failing/
[07:33] <jibel> .quit
[08:43] <Avagetto_> Good day, anybody can help with porting? how i can create ubuntu touch  system img (vivid and android image inside) on PC, without device and adb...
[09:21] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Tell a Story Day! :-D
[10:06] <Se7> morning
[10:07] <Se7> still no update :( shall i reset the phone and try upgrading?
[10:08] <popey> Se7: update to what?
[10:09] <Se7> popey, i ve got update for youtube telegramm and my pphoto but they don t downloading
[10:10] <Se7> it s about 3-4 days like this
[10:10] <popey> Se7: out of disk space?
[10:10] <Se7> try to reboot many time still nothing
[10:10] <Se7> no error popey
[10:10] <Se7> just stuk in downloading
[10:11] <Se7> stuck*
[10:11] <popey> adb shell df -h /home
[10:11] <popey> what does it say?
[10:11] <Se7> wait
[10:11] <Se7> i have to  connect the phone to pc for doing that right?
[10:11] <popey> yes, or do it in the terminal app
[10:11] <popey> easier from a pc
[10:11] <Se7> ok sec
[10:14] <Se7> adb command not found from terminal app
[10:14] <popey> you don't need "adb shell" on device
[10:14] <popey> just run "df -h /home"
[10:15] <popey> and report the Use% column
[10:15] <Se7> ok sorry
[10:16] <Se7> Use% Mounted on /dev/mmcblk0p7 4.4 1.2g 3.1g 28% /home
[10:18] <Se7> looks like that I got space popey
[10:19] <popey> ok.
[10:19] <popey> you could try removing your Ubuntu One account in system settings, and then re-add it.
[10:19] <jgdxx> popey, Se7 wait
[10:20] <jgdxx> Se7, could you take a look at your ubuntu system settings log?
[10:20] <Se7> if you tell me how :)
[10:21] <jgdxx> Se7, $ cat .cache/upstart/application-legacy-ubuntu-system-settings-.log
[10:21] <popey> easier if you plug into a pc
[10:21] <jgdxx> Se7, given you are in home
[10:21] <Se7> ok sec
[10:21] <jgdxx> (/home/phablet/.cache/upstart/…)
[10:21] <Se7> enable developer right?
[10:21] <jgdxx> Se7, yes
[10:22] <jgdx> Se7, and the phone needs to be unlocked while you access it via usb
[10:23] <Se7> ok enabled developer and connected to pc
[10:23] <Se7> now i have to do?
[10:23] <jgdx> $ adb shell
[10:23] <jgdx> on the pc
[10:24] <Se7> and type the command who give me jgdx
[10:24] <jgdx> Se7, cat .cache/upstart/application-legacy-ubuntu-system-settings-.log
[10:24] <Se7> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10909221/
[10:31] <jgdx> Se7, anything in  ~/.cache/ubuntu-download-manager ?
[10:31] <Se7> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~/.cache/ubuntu-download-manager$ ls
[10:31] <Se7> ubuntu-download-manager.INFO  ubuntu-download-manager.WARNING
[10:32] <jgdx> Se7, anything interesting in WARNING?
[10:32] <Se7> do you want see the warning??
[10:32] <Se7> sec
[10:33] <Se7> mm how can i open it??
[10:33] <Se7> which editor it s on he phone
[10:34] <jgdx> Se7, vi
[10:34] <jgdx> or less
[10:34] <Se7> ok i pastebin it
[10:35] <Se7> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10909310/
[10:36] <jgdx> Se7, you can probably just follow popey's suggestion now. Thanks for your time! :)
[10:36] <Se7> no problem ..happy to help :)
[10:39] <Se7> tnx popey and jgdx now work :)
[10:39] <popey> excellent
[10:39] <jgdx> great
[10:57] <matv1> I have a qml app that is running well on the desktop but when I run it on the phone, apparmor starts complaining. I think its bad news but I cant really understand what it is complaining about. I could really do with some help
[10:57] <matv1> here is the output
[10:57] <matv1> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10909469/
[10:59] <matv1> what the app starts out doing is asking a server for data via a xmlhttprequest
[10:59] <matv1> I am guessing its related to that
[11:01] <jgdx> matv1, has the app requested to be part of the networking policy group?
[11:02] <jgdx> ref https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/ApplicationConfinement/Manifest
[11:03] <matv1> jgdx I am kinda new to this. I was hoping having the default grants for networking and webview would be sufficient
[11:04] <matv1> i will read up on that and get back if i still need help. thanks
[11:13] <matv1> jgdx btw on that matter of getting peap/mschapv2 enabled. I cant do much in terms of sorting that out but I am willing to test anything you have. Also I work daily in a wifi network where that is the authentication method. and I am close to the network admins if we need to know details of configuration. I have found that can be helpfull sometimes :)
[11:24] <jgdx> matv1, okay, cool! This is the branch for that: https://code.launchpad.net/~joergberroth/ubuntu-system-settings/wifi-802-1x-configurations/+merge/257472
[11:32] <matv1> jgdx nice! I will take a look
[11:38] <mpt> tedg, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=680911
[11:39] <mpt> (“NM takes one-size-fits-all approach to all wireless errors which leads sometimes to nonsensical behaviour.”)
[11:39] <mpt> pete-woods, https://code.launchpad.net/~joergberroth/ubuntu-system-settings/wifi-802-1x-configurations/+merge/257472
[12:44] <robin-hero> Hi! Can I enable somewhere the turn-by-turn (with voice) navigation in the HERE maps on Ubuntu Touch?
[12:45] <crs1> Hi everyone :) Recently i have two problems with my n4: I cant isntall apps and mobile data stopped working. I already did a factory reset but the problems reappeared after some weeks. Do you have any ideas what i can do to solve this?
[12:45] <studio_> hi
[12:46] <studio_> i have a question about mir and xmir. is xmir the root less x11-server for mir?
[12:49] <jgdx> crs1, hey, what image?
[12:51] <crs1> when i installed it on the phone i remember, i used the "devel" branch (that was long time ago). Now the phone says "Ubuntu 15.04 (r2)"
[12:52] <jgdx> crs1, I'm not good with those numbers, but that sounds really old.
[12:53] <jgdx> crs1, what does $ system-image-cli -i  # give you?
[12:54] <jgdx> crs1, please upgrade your phone. I'm on "Ubuntu 15.04 (r183)" and I can think of a bajillion things we've done inbetween those two images.
[12:55] <crs1> ok i was already wondering why there are so few updates
[12:55] <crs1> there are no updates for me, it says something like "system up to date"
[12:56] <jgdx> crs1, maybe you made your image readwrite?
[12:56] <crs1> maybe i did this several month ago, but 3 weeks ago i did a factory reset, doesnt this revert the system to read only?
[12:57] <jgdx> crs1, does /userdata/.writable_image exist on the phone?
[12:58] <jgdx> crs1, you should be able to flash your phone to the most recent image painlessly, and without data loss. See https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[13:00] <crs1> no, this file doesnt exist ( i checked with "sudo ls -a /userdata)
[13:00] <studio_> hmm, this is ubuntu-touch with "mir", isn't it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3PUYoa1c9M and that guy got "skype" on his scope?
[13:00] <crs1> To get back to your question from before, system-image-cli -i:
[13:00] <crs1> current build numer: 2
[13:01] <crs1> last update: 2015-04-13
[13:01] <crs1> version ubuntu: 20150413
[13:01] <crs1> version device: 20150210
[13:01] <crs1> version custom: 20150413
[13:02] <crs1> jgdx, Thank you very much for your very fast and good help. I will try to do the flash procedure you suggested ;)
[13:03] <jgdx> crs1, good luck. Ping me if the mobile data issues persist after upgrading to the latest version.
[13:04] <davmor2> studio_: skype is x86 only so won't run on arm.  that table is intel based so it can work there
[13:05] <studio_> i have never seen skype in the store
[13:06] <davmor2> studio_: it was for demo purposes, there is no skype app! it was standard skype for i386/amd64 installed via xmir the same applies for netflix too.
[13:07] <studio_> how to install the xmir on mir?
[13:08] <davmor2> studio_: you don't, it will land in the image when it is fully ready
[13:08] <studio_> ok
[13:13] <amari> In which languages is Ubuntu Touch translated and which language input does the keyboard support?
[13:16] <popey> amari: lots!
[13:16] <amari> popey: The keyboard is most important. Does it support CJK input?
[13:18] <popey> amari: Elleo can probably explain the details of the keyboard better than I...
[13:18] <popey> amari: http://projects.davidplanella.org/stats/vivid gives you an idea of the level of translation
[13:19] <jgdx> mpt, a context can be inactive if cellular data is off
[13:20] <jgdx> mpt, s/context/apn
[13:20] <mpt> ok…
[13:21] <jgdx> mpt, but I'm thinking that will all go away when we change the backend to use "Preferred" instead of "Active"
[13:21] <mpt> jgdx, pun not intended, but I’ve forgotten the context here
[13:22] <studio_> davmor2, what about "miraclecast", will it also land in the image?
[13:22] <jgdx> mpt, let me get back to you
[13:23] <mpt> ok :-)
[13:24] <popey> studio_: we have no plans to
[13:24] <popey> (that I'm aware of)
[13:24] <davmor2> studio_: there is no miraclecast that is a commercial app.  The standard screen share will be incorporated when it is complete and tested well yes
[13:25] <studio_> popey, have seen that some guys are working in it for 15.04: https://github.com/albfan/miraclecast
[13:26] <popey> studio_: you'd have to ask them then
[13:28] <studio_> i thought, that it is known here ...
[13:28] <popey> "it" ?
[13:28] <studio_> miraclecast on ubuntu
[13:29] <Elleo> amari: we have a chinese plugin, there's a japanese one in development (but that hasn't had much attention recently)
[13:29] <amari> Elleo: you mean for the keyboard?
[13:29] <Elleo> amari: iirc the chinese library we use has some support for korean, but it's not used at the moment
[13:29] <Elleo> amari: yeah, for the keyboard
[13:29] <popey> studio_: ok. various people may know about it, but that doesn't mean it's going to land in the phone any time soon, especially some random 3rd party repo on github
[13:30] <amari> So right now there is support for chinese input in ubuntu touch, but not japanese and korean?
[13:31] <studio_> popey, there is also a ppa: http://ppa.launchpad.net/thopiekar/miraclecast/ubuntu/
[13:33] <popey> studio_: it would need to be in the archive, unless it's a standalone app, which could be a click package.
[13:33] <popey> studio_: again, you need to contact them, not us
[13:33] <studio_> ok
[13:36] <studio_> popey, you said, that there will be network browsing implementation in the filemanager, correct?
[13:36] <popey> samba support
[13:36] <studio_> samba only or also nfs-lan?
[13:38] <popey> samba for now
[13:38] <popey> (I am pretty sure I've said this about 4 times now)
[13:39] <studio_> i am sure, you just said network browsing, noting special more
[13:40] <popey> studio_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10911183/ no, multiple times I've said it.
[13:40] <studio_> and?
[13:40] <amari> Elleo: So right now there is support for chinese input in ubuntu touch, but not japanese and korean?
[13:41] <studio_> you didn't said "only samba". sorry for missunderstanding :(
[13:42] <popey> studio_: i did. 20:02 < popey> studio_: we have no plans to add nfs to the file manager, dnla makes no sense in a file manager
[13:45] <studio_> popey, sorry again, maybe i have skiped that sentence :(
[13:53] <Elleo> amari: correc
[13:53] <Elleo> amari: correct*
[13:54] <amari> thank you ;)
[13:56] <mcphail> awe: are you still looking for episodes of the "network lost when wandering away from wifi" bug?
[14:00] <awe> mcphail, not sure "I'm still looking" is an accurate phrase, but if you've hit this, and would like to comment on the bug, I can point you to the right place?
[14:00] <awe> mcphail, I'm actually just about to start a meeting
[14:01] <awe> could you describe your basic scenario?
[14:01] <mcphail> awe: ok np
[14:01] <mcphail> awe: simply no network and empty "sudo route" when out of range of wifi just now. No switch to 3g
[14:02] <awe> which device?
[14:02] <mcphail> krillin on rtm
[14:02] <awe> ok, and to be clear, you were connected to a WiFi AP, then went out of range, correct?
[14:03] <mcphail> awe: correct
[14:04] <mcphail> awe: don't know at which point the network was lost. Haven't checked phone since went out of range 6 hours ago
[14:04] <awe> so we're working on a fix for this... the bug for this scenario is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1435328
[14:06] <mcphail> awe: i'll look through that (lengthy!) bug later and add more info if I have anything new. Anything you would like me to check just now?
[14:08] <Sander^work> How come the start screen with the phone and appstore icon etc. I saw on the downloaded version isnt there anymore on the one I got from bq
[14:09] <awe> no, I think we have a good understanding of the bug and actually have a fix in progress
[14:09] <davmor2> Sander^work: swipe the middle of the screen to the left 2 times
[14:09] <davmor2> Sander^work: the image you downloaded did have all the scopes that the shipped phone has
[14:10] <Sander^work> davmor2, ah!!
[14:10] <Sander^work> Thanks alot:)
[14:10] <davmor2> did not have even
[14:12] <Sander^work> davmor2, awe maybe I good idea to have that excercise in the "training" when you first start the phone aswell:)
[14:12] <Sander^work> a*a
[14:12] <Sander^work> Btw, I really like the look of the phone.
[14:14] <davmor2> Sander^work: it is in the instructions and swiping between pages is kinda common to all mobile operating systems too.  But if the change they want lands you would access the other scopes from a right hand swipe which is in the instructions :)
[14:16] <Sander^work> davmor2, ah, ok. Btw. Do you know if there exist an app like google keep. To keep track of several lists, and maybe share them?
[14:17] <davmor2> Sander^work: Reminders plugs into evernote that can have lists not sure about sharing popey^
[14:18] <Sander^work> davmor2, Like a grocery store list?
[14:18] <Sander^work> Hm, interesting. I'll have to check out evernote.
[14:19] <davmor2> Sander^work: yeah I use reminders for that, just make a note and then you have checkboxes you can add to the note
[14:50] <kenvandine> ogra_, did you see the link sharing context menu landed in vivid?
[14:51] <ogra_> kenvandine, i'm still having an old image on my arale (testing a new graphics driver) and couldnt upgrade yet ... but thats awesome to hear ! (i'll upgrade today)
[14:53] <kenvandine> ogra_, just for you! :-D thanks for the suggestion
[14:53] <ogra_> :D
[15:09] <kenvandine> awe__, apn editor testing silo is 16, building now
[15:16] <awe__> thanks kenvandine, abeato ^^
[15:16] <abeato> awe__, noted
[15:47] <mcphail> Any news yet on whether the next krillin rtm will be based on vivid?
[15:47] <ogra_> there will be a hotfix OTA first
[15:47] <ogra_> the one afterwards will be vivid
[15:48] <mcphail> ogra_: so does that mean vivd in 2 months rather than 1 or is the hotfix outwith the monthly schedule?
[15:48] <ogra_> the hotfix is out of line (will go to bq this week iirc)
[15:49] <mcphail> ogra_: great! What is the hotfix hot fixing?
[15:49] <davmor2> mcphail: bugs
[15:49] <popey> bugs :)
[15:49] <popey> dammit
[15:49] <ogra_> hot bugs :)
[15:49] <mcphail> :)
[15:58] <mardy> Mirv: what's the plan for bug 1421009 as far as OA is concerned? Will you also add my branch to the silo, or should we land it separately?
[16:00] <jgdx> mpt, ping
[16:00] <Mirv> mardy: not landing at the moment, since we're not landing at the moment the Qt changes that regress OA. we're now landing libusermetrics (and possibly unity8) changes to workaround the original bug
[16:01] <Mirv> mardy: the OA changes may come handy anyway later since we still plan to ship the "real fix" once it's actually stable. in case OA has some changes of behavior that would be needed together with it.
[16:03] <mardy> Mirv: OK, so I'll take the OA changes and land them in the same branch for the Qt 5.5 fixes
[16:04] <mardy> Mirv: we'll land them ourselves, with low priority. OK?
[16:04] <Mirv> mardy: sounds good, and anyway better to have more proper ordering of those. but indeed low prio for now if we get this current workaround working that doesn't involve OA.
[16:06] <mardy> Mirv: it's a good fix anyway, it doesn't depend on changes in QtDBus; the changes in QtDBus expose it quite seriously, but anyway the current code could be racy
[16:06] <Mirv> mardy: yep, it'd good to have it!
[16:21] <kenvandine> awe, abeato: silo 16 is built
[16:56] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti: ping
[17:04] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: pong
[17:05] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti: I still cannot figure out how to send vsid parameter properly.
[17:08] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: iirc you said we need to send that to the device part of the hal right?
[17:08] <peat-psuwit> Do you have any additional idea?
[17:09] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti: Yes, I said that.
[17:10] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: so guess I just need to export the same property set for the device
[17:10] <rsalveti> then you could set that via pulseaudio
[17:10] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: do you have the logic on the android side that sets that property for your device?
[17:10] <rsalveti> still unclear if that is indeed the property that does what you need
[17:12] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti: It's in the vendor RIL. So, no logic code is available.
[17:14] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti: But I'm sure that this parameter (along with another one) will make the voice go to earpeice.
[17:16] <peat-psuwit> I've already made a crude hack that successfully establish the call.
[17:21] <rsalveti> peat-psuwit: oh, cool, so first we need to export that property set in pulseaudio, to make it set the property at the device instead
[17:21] <rsalveti> and then have someone to set such properties
[17:21] <rsalveti> guess when the call starts/stops
[17:21] <rsalveti> brb
[17:23] <n-iCe> guys, is ubuntu phone available for shamu?
[17:25] <ogra_> shamu ?
[17:25] <n-iCe> Nexus 6
[17:25] <Tassadar> nope
[17:26] <ogra_> no, we use drivers from android 4.4 ... to my knowledge there is no 4.4 for the nexus 6
[17:27] <ogra_> someone would have to "reverse-port" it, if thats possible at all
[17:28] <popey> or wait till we inevitably have to move to android 5.x
[17:31] <n-iCe> right
[17:31] <n-iCe> thanks
[19:02] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti: ping?
[19:03] <rsalveti> hey
[19:19] <elopio> oSoMoN: could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/webbrowser-app/fix_base_class/+merge/256519 ?
[19:21] <oSoMoN> elopio, approved
[19:21] <elopio> thanks.
[19:42] <peat-psuwit> rsalveti: Pulseaudio has a proplist for card, right?
[19:42] <peat-psuwit> Can it be altered externally?
[20:18] <mibofra> oh hi rsalveti
[20:22] <chrisccoulson> is there a way to tell Qt to create an EGL context (when running on X) instead of a GLX context?
[22:27] <elopio> cwayne: https://trello.com/c/WkAe7JgA/6-enable-testing-of-community-core-click-apps-in-touch-devices
[22:28] <elopio> this card is not QAs top-priority, but should be the top in a month or so.
[22:29] <elopio> a month sounds bad... But there are things we can do in the meantime, with manually triggered executions.