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ballhello minsky01:26
mapppsis it a bank holiday tomorrow?03:22
ballI do hope so.03:30
ballOh wait, I don't get bank holidays.03:30
mapppssomeone told me it is (here in gib)03:34
mapppsso is it in UK too?03:34
mapppsi trasferred some money and it said 1 working day is why im wondering03:35
ballI don't know. I don't have a UK calendar this year.03:35
ballUsually I have one up in the study.03:35
mapppshm03:35
ballI should pay my satellite television bill this week.03:36
mapppsa month till i go back to Knightsbridge:D03:36
ballIs that in London?03:37
mappps24-29th may short visit03:37
mapppsyea03:37
mapppswhere are you ?03:37
mapppsThen back to gib:)03:37
ballI live in Illinois, USA.03:37
ballbrb03:37
mapppsnice03:38
ballIt's alright. Not like home but it has its good days.03:39
mapppswhere's home?03:40
ballWiltshire.03:40
mapppsheard of03:40
mapppsmanchester?03:40
ballI am aware of Manchester.03:40
mapppsno i mean wiltshire is manchester?03:40
ballNo, Manchester's in the midlands I think.03:41
mapppswhere's wiltshire03:41
ballCentral Southern England, though we consider ourselves "West Country" I think.03:41
ball...which made Cornish frinds point and laugh.03:42
mapppsoh03:42
ballfriends*03:42
mapppsnowhere near surrey then?03:42
mapppsthats where im from orig03:42
ballI think my grandfather used to live in Surrey, on my mother's side.03:43
mapppsnice place03:44
* ball nods03:44
ballI've been there once or twice.03:44
ballNot in recent years though.03:44
mapppsi swapped surrey/london for gib03:44
mapppsdoubt il ever move back really03:44
ballmappps: I can relate to that. Even if I could afford to go back it would be a difficult transition.03:45
mapppsyea03:45
mapppsi haven;t lived with family for ~12 years (since uni)03:45
mapppsno way i'd go back03:46
mapppsand it's a super safe place here03:46
mapppslike london muggings are normal..here it'd make front page news03:46
* ball nods04:01
ballHere they mostly just shoot you.04:01
mapppshere it's just non existant04:02
mapppslast month there was a murder..and everyone was worried04:02
mapppsturned out the girlfriend murdered her kids boyfriend and killed herself04:02
ballWell that's unfortunate.04:08
Knightwisemornin05:12
* ball waves05:15
Knightwiseheya ball ! hows it goin05:18
ballNot too bad. I'm anout to turn in.05:19
ballThere are things I should be doing but I'm too tired to care.05:19
Knightwisejust got up on this end of the blue sphere.05:19
ballKnightwise: That makes sense.05:19
Knightwisehahah :) I'm in my productive hour. That quiet hour before the rush starts is when I pound everyone down with my caffinated emails :p05:19
* ball grins05:19
Knightwiseneed to get my Raspberry pi 2 finalised today.05:27
KnightwiseWas thinking of using it as a desktop by that is a little overkill. I have plenty of desktops and vms to play with.05:27
ballMy Raspberry Pi is running at the office.05:32
KnightwiseI have a raspberry pi 1 running as my main terminal machine. I ssh into it, vpn into it, it runs irssi, telegram, my calibre server etc05:33
Knightwisevery pleased with it :)05:33
ballI like mine but I'm looking forward to the better NIC on the Raspberry Pi 205:35
Knightwise I'm gonna try to run Mate on mine. Always handy to have a gui , especially when I want to use it to drag new books into my calibre library05:36
* Knightwise loves to read05:36
* ball nods05:37
ballI should charge up my Kobo05:37
KnightwiseI have a Kobo too. use it mostly in the summer to read outdoors05:37
Knightwisewhen I read indoors or at night I use my tablet05:38
ballI can understand that.05:38
ballI've not tried Calibre though.05:38
Knightwiseits great , The web browser on my Kobo even iterfaces with it :)05:39
Knightwiseso i can download books off the calibre webserver on my PI straight to my Kobo05:39
ballNice.05:40
ballI should go to bed.05:41
KnightwiseGet some sleep dude :)05:41
ballThanks05:42
ballI have to be up in a little under five hours05:42
KnightwiseI need my 8 hours or i'm a zombie05:42
MooDoomorning all07:01
Knightwisehey MooDoo07:25
Knightwisehow are you doing dude07:25
MooDooKnightwise: yeah i'm doing ok thanks, you?07:37
Knightwiseok for a monday :)07:38
directhex_there we go, my 2 mystery chips have been added to lspci07:43
MartijnVdSyou have mystery chips?07:44
directhex_MartijnVdS: two USB controllers not known to pci.ids07:53
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.07:53
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davmor2Morning all08:25
bashrcmorning08:28
MooDoomorning davmor208:36
davmor2MooDoo: hey dude, how's life?08:36
popeymorning08:38
MartijnVdS\o08:38
MartijnVdSI installed *Debian* on my Laptop yesterday.. hadn't actually done that since Ubuntu 4.10 came out :)08:39
popeygolly08:39
MartijnVdSBut somehow I've gotten used to that left sidebar thing ;)08:40
popey:)08:40
MartijnVdS(and no other DE seems to provide one easily)08:40
foobarryi moved plank to the left to make the switch easier for mrs foobarry08:48
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czajkowskialoha09:10
zmoylan-pio/09:12
foobarrymy workplace looks quite pleasant in the sun http://i.imgur.com/EabmdcV.jpg09:14
bashrclooks nice09:17
bashrcare you on a barge?09:18
foobarryheh no onthe river bank09:18
foobarrywalking in to work09:19
foobarryhowever the river boat people congregrate here in sunny weather09:19
bashrcI have seen barges with solar panels, so it would be possible to live on a barge and stay connected09:19
foobarryyou can get wifi from the uni with a good antenna09:20
popeythere's a couple of ubuntu contributors who live on boats09:20
zmoylan-pibreak out the cantenna... :-)09:20
foobarrythey should probably have a mesh thing on house boats09:20
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Monday, and happy Tell a Story Day! :-D09:21
zmoylan-piand as soon as you made a mesh network some gobdaw would try and run netflix on it soaking up all the bandwidth09:22
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popeygolly https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/59261227378242355209:30
czajkowskipopey: it's a pretty big thing I'm flying home to vote :)09:31
zmoylan-pino postal vote?09:31
czajkowskizmoylan-pi: nope09:31
popeywhat are you voting on?09:31
czajkowskiI'lll go BArcelona -> Stockholm -> Shannon and back to UK that week09:31
czajkowskipopey: marriage equality09:32
popeyoh yes.09:32
popeythought it was abortion09:32
czajkowskipopey: exactly YES :D09:32
zmoylan-piAND allowing for a president younger than 3509:32
czajkowskizmoylan-pi: ag yes that throw away vote09:32
foobarryvoting by proxy not allowed?09:33
czajkowskinope09:33
zmoylan-pia lot of folk on twitter seem to have sorted the postal vote thing09:34
foobarryi already voted in teh UK general election09:34
bashrcvote early and often09:34
foobarryhelps with smug face when people are trying last ditch attempts09:34
czajkowskipopey: see pm :)09:38
foobarryevernote is really annoying sometimes09:46
foobarrycertain lack of intuivity09:46
zmoylan-piyou'd think by now all devices would have a memopad like one in palmos that 'just worked'09:47
foobarrywhat's google keep thing like?09:47
foobarrythey could rule the market09:47
foobarryas evernote seem to struggle09:47
foobarrydoesn't quite seem to be achieving the same thing as evernote09:48
foobarryi use evernote as a document storage system, not a temporal post it throaway todo list thing09:49
diplofoobarry: I use keep, works ok for me but I only use it for shopping lists and things like that09:55
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zmoylan-pii use a text file in dropbox.  separated by dates and hashtags.  works for me.10:02
bashrcI use a git repo and org-agenda10:05
popeyhttps://twitter.com/harrym/status/592618805542711296 interesting to anyone running wordpress10:06
bashrcyears ago I stopped using wordpress mainly because it seemed a chore to maintain. There seemed to be a never-ending stream of security patches10:08
popeywell, it auto updates now10:08
popeybut it's zero day today10:08
davmor2JamesTait: Once upon a time in a galaxy far far away telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl10:08
bashrcfor blogging I now use a flat file based system. far easier to maintain and with a smaller attack surface10:09
zmoylan-piisn't everyday a zero day for wordpress? :-P10:09
ali1234heh, that vuln is weaksauce10:18
ali1234who enables the online plugin and theme editors anyway?10:18
zmoylan-piif the platform is aimed at a lot of non technical people... many10:19
* awilkins remembers a WordPress instance with over 100 plugins enabled at his old job10:20
awilkinsOn Windows10:22
zmoylan-pidid they leave the doors and windows unlocked too just to be sure? :-P10:23
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)10:54
davmor2bigcalm: how do chap how's life?10:59
popeybigcalm: enjoying GTA5? :)11:01
bigcalmdavmor2: not too shabby ta, yourself?11:03
bigcalmpopey: yes. Loving it. Having to play in short bursts though. Otherwise I'd get sucked in for hours11:03
popeyheh11:04
davmor2bigcalm: a tiny bit busy but other than that grand thanks and looking forward to the caravan for the long weekend :)11:04
bigcalmAlso, I had been close to rage quitting on the Rampage mission11:04
popeyI dialed down the detail and it now runs at a decent framerate here11:04
bigcalmFor the most part it looks fine to me. Little bit jerky in the city with lots happening though. Might dial it down as well11:05
bigcalmLove Trevor. He is so well written11:05
bigcalmThat said, he also scares the crap out of me11:05
bigcalmdavmor2: busy? But the release has happened. Surely you should be relaxing now11:05
bigcalmpopey: have you tried the online bit yet?11:06
popeybriefly11:06
bigcalmSame11:06
popeyi have it at 720p which made a big difference11:06
bigcalmAre you popeydc, by any chance?11:06
bigcalmInteresting11:06
popeyyes11:07
popeyat 1080p i was running ~30 fps11:07
popeynow it's 720p at ~70+ fps11:07
bigcalmOh dear11:07
popeystill looks great.11:07
bigcalmCool. Will play later tonight11:07
popeyheh11:07
bigcalmI think I'm enjoying this more than IV11:08
bigcalmThe sense of freedom is very welcome11:08
popeyyeah, totally11:08
popeynot getting 5* for crossing a bridge is nice11:08
popeystealing a helicopter and flying away is fun11:08
popeyi do like the scammers who try to claim someone is being attacked and when you give chase they attack you11:09
popeyI usually gave my gun out ready :)11:09
bigcalmOh!11:09
bigcalmI hadn't thought that some of them might be scammers11:09
bigcalmI've bought suppressors for all of my guns. Makes life a lot easier11:10
bigcalmDid you manage to get the bug van without the alarm being raised?11:10
foobarryhello sir, i'm calling because i've been told you were in a car accident11:10
foobarry(put on mute after saying hello)11:11
davmor2oi ubuntu-uk no gta-V-uk ;)11:11
foobarryi can just hear this little voice on the phone on my desk11:11
foobarryhello...hello...can you hear me?11:11
* bigcalm tickles davmor2 with some fun11:11
* popey fills in his lenovo battery recall form11:12
popeybiab11:12
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popeybah no eligible11:20
bigcalmDanger of explosion?11:22
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popeyhttp://support.lenovo.com/us/en/documents/hf004122#special11:24
diplopopey / bigcalm not played gta v at all before ?11:24
bigcalmdiplo: no11:24
diploOK, tip I learned after :)11:24
popeyno11:24
bigcalmdiplo: The only console I have is a Wii U11:24
diploWhen you get to the Lester scenes, buy stocks in whatever company he asks you to do something about :)11:24
bigcalmMakes sense11:25
diploMakes life a lot easier, I'm debating playing it again to do that, quite enjoyed it11:25
diploWould like it on the PC, but I don't think my old beast could run it11:25
bigcalmExcept for Live Invader. As we made the price plummet11:25
diploMight also try for gold / 100% on everything this time11:26
bigcalmI like that I can play with an Xbox 360 controller for everything and then switch over to keyboard and mouse when I need to play with guns11:27
bigcalmTerrible at aiming with a job pad11:27
diploSo am I, although got better11:30
diploBought the kids Halo this weekend, I was actually quite good at it :P_11:30
bigcalmYou bought it for yourself11:30
popeyI can't watch films set in NY or LA now without thinking of GTA :)11:35
TwistedLuciditypopey: Yikes! I have two Lenovo 9-cells here....11:36
diplobigcalm haha, nah kids have been hounding me for ages11:36
diploTheir friends play it11:36
popeyi had to fill the form in manually because the auto-detector thing requires windows11:36
TwistedLucidityIf the Lenovo site ever loads, I might be able to find out11:36
popeyit actually asks you why you're doing it manually!11:36
TwistedLucidity"Because you hate freedom, Lenovo"11:37
ali1234yes, is it a free form field?11:37
TwistedLuciditypopey: Site is so very, very s-l-o-w.....11:37
popeyyes11:37
TwistedLucidityIs this a new recall? Because Lenovo have had to do this many, many times11:39
ali1234any details on the actual fault?11:39
popeyi have no idea, i got the link from foobarry last week iirc11:39
TwistedLucidityali1234: All the previous ones have been about over-heating, fire, explosion, stealing your last Rolo11:39
ali1234TwistedLucidity: says they are expanding the existing recall11:39
TwistedLucidityI wouldn't know, I can't get on the site!11:40
ali1234well now you do :)11:40
ali1234april 21st 201511:40
davmor2yay mine's not listed11:41
ali1234nor mine, but it is really old11:41
TwistedLucidityDamned thing just times out....11:41
ali1234problem may be at your end, it works fine here11:41
ali1234it's not even slow11:41
davmor2popey: my laptop is about 2 and 1/2 years old so you know what that means right :D11:42
TwistedLucidityali1234: Site has always been nearly unusable for me11:42
TwistedLucidityProbably VirginMedia11:43
davmor2TwistedLucidity: it's slow here but it works I'm on virgin11:44
TwistedLucidityWorks well on Windows, I am going to change my User agent.....11:44
TwistedLuciditySeems I am no eligible. Guess that's a good thing11:48
popeyTwistedLucidity: works fine here, also on VM11:53
popeydavmor2: mine is over 3 now.11:54
popeynot seen a new one I want11:54
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* zmoylan-pi still has an original olpc here...11:54
zmoylan-pistill the best screen on a mobile device i have ever used11:55
TwistedLuciditypopey: It's find on the Windows box, just not Kubuntu. Very strange11:55
davmor2popey: this will be 6 years, oh how the time flies :)11:56
popeyhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/c64tv11:59
zmoylan-pijetpac \o/12:03
bigcalmFantastic12:03
ali1234wow12:14
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popeyi like the skool daze and paradroid ones12:31
popeythe voxel thing reminds me of cube world12:32
diddledanI don't get why voxels are being so popular12:33
diddledanseems everyone and his dog wants to create a voxel game12:33
awilkinsBecause Minecraft did so well12:34
awilkinsHave you seen Notch's house?12:35
diddledanalso minecraft seems to be getting everyone to do "low res fctw"12:35
diddledanftw**12:35
zmoylan-pipeople don't want minecraft since ms bought it?12:35
diddledanI wonder what the long-term plan is for minecraft now ms own it12:35
awilkinsNotch's House : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZhM56v9UVQ12:35
awilkinsThat's why there are so many voxel games12:36
awilkinsThe tail end of people going "Wowzer, that Minecraft thing is doing awfully well, isn't it?" and jumping on the bandwagon12:36
awilkinsI doubt that people stopped liking Minecraft since MS bought it12:37
zmoylan-piaren't ms adding downloadable content to minecraft?12:37
zmoylan-pii've seen a few complaints already over that12:37
diddledanthat house is way OTT12:37
shaunoI don't think msft have done anything at all with it yet.  the "complaints" are scaremongering12:38
zmoylan-piif you were handed a few billion wouldn't you go for volcano lair or evil villan ship instead? :-)12:38
shaunonot to say I trust msft much further than I could throw them, but waiting for them to actually do something before I whine about it :)12:38
awilkinsI would find the house a bit much12:39
diddledanI don't think I'd like to live there12:39
diddledanI like cosy12:39
awilkinsCommunity12:39
diddledanand community (no, wait, I'm a hermit, community doesn't really count)12:40
awilkinsIf I had unlimited money and Elon-Musk-like resources I'd have a town pad within walking distance of all the fun stuff, and a country pad with a nice kitchen garden12:40
awilkinsAnd a hyperloop subway that went between them in < 10 minutes12:40
zmoylan-pior a jetpack...12:41
awilkinsNaah, practical Jetpack technology is basically impossible ATM12:41
zmoylan-piok an autogyro12:42
zmoylan-pihipster helicopter :-)12:42
awilkinsLittle Nellie from the Bond film12:42
awilkinsRetrohipster12:42
zmoylan-piwith it's addons of course12:42
diddledanamerica are trying to pin a charge of unlicensed aircraft on a guy with an autogiro who landed on some green space outside their capitol building12:43
zmoylan-pihe was a postman and he was delivering letters...12:43
diddledanthat's the guy12:43
shaunoseems like one of the easier charges to make stick.  they have some exemptions for ultralights but they all have geographic restrictions (built-up areas, airports, etc)12:45
zmoylan-pinot sure they ever managed to prosecute lawn chair larry12:46
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TwistedLucidityIIRC an autogryo can fly faster than a helicopter13:21
zmoylan-piwell yes and no.  not much development has gone into them since wwii13:21
zmoylan-piand they've pushed helicopters to the limit13:21
TwistedLucidityPhysics is a buggre like that13:22
zmoylan-pi293mph for an unassisted (no attached jets for thrust) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocopter_X313:23
zmoylan-pipity the canadian swingwing didn't take off (pardon the pun) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadair_CL-8413:31
zmoylan-pi*tiltwing13:31
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TwistedLucidityThe Osprey is a thing, innit?13:33
TwistedLucidityAlso there was some X-plane or other that was a jumped-up copter but could lock the "rotors" and in effect have a pair of forward/aft-swept wings13:34
zmoylan-piwith a horrendous safety record13:34
zmoylan-piit's a bit of an f35 in budget terms...13:35
davmor2TwistedLucidity: yes it's a bird ;)14:16
arsenhh the macbook 12 1.4 petabyte edition14:29
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daftykinsdiddledan: two failed disks from the _same user!_18:50
daftykinsD:18:50
diddledanjeez18:51
diddledanyou're getting silly with it :-p18:51
daftykins;]18:51
davmor2daftykins: well if you will put computers in magnets room you will have to expect this kinda thing18:57
penguin42what are you doing with them - mri?18:57
daftykinsno these are all helpees asking for support in #ubuntu18:58
daftykinsi tend to go from "my system is a little slow..." to diagnosing a dead disk pretty quick XD18:58
zmoylan-pidoes he work at the sledgehammer testing lab?18:58
diddledanI think daftykins either has shares in the disc companies OR he invents faults that aren't real19:05
daftykins:(19:06
daftykins*disk19:06
diddledan:-p19:06
diddledanno, disk is for floppies - disc is for hdds19:06
davmor2shiny spinning platters?19:07
daftykinsdiddledan: you lie!19:07
daftykinsdisk is for square, disc is for round \o/19:07
diddledannope, it's the truth19:07
daftykinswell, or rectangles19:07
daftykins-ular :/19:08
diddledandisk is an abbreviation of diskette whereas disc is a circular thing19:08
daftykinsi disagree19:08
davmor2http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_disk_drive19:08
diddledanhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelling_of_disc19:09
daftykinsah yes the finest resource known to man19:10
foobarryhello..19:10
daftykinshi19:10
diddledanOED says disk for everything19:11
davmor2daftykins: http://pcsupport.about.com/od/componentprofiles/p/p_hdd.htm19:11
MartijnVdSdisque19:11
davmor2http://www.amazon.co.uk/Generic-Hard-Disk-Drive-250GB/dp/B000OUI8QO19:11
daftykinswhy are you linking me to this crap 0o19:11
foobarryso there's some twitter feeds that have lots of dupes19:12
diddledanaah yes, it's obviously disc with a C for HDDs because windows uses C to indicate such19:12
foobarryi would like to write a twitter bot that retweets only unique stories and i can follow that instead19:12
diddledani.e. C:\windows19:12
foobarrysound easyish?19:12
diddledanC:\ means disC:\ :-p19:12
diddledanI believe, also, that I've earned troll-of-the-day with that one :-D19:14
davmor2daftykins: sorry it was for diddledan I was backing up your disk argument :D19:14
davmor2like what I did there :D19:15
diddledanobviously disks are for KDE users19:15
daftykinskallthethings!19:16
MartijnVdSdaftykins, davmor2, diddledan: your names confuse :P19:17
daftykinso019:18
popeyevening slackers19:18
MartijnVdShey popey19:19
diddledanmarnin19:19
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mapppscsi cyber seems ok if you stick with it21:47
mapppsdid you watch aymore diddledan21:47
mappps1st ep sucked but ive carried on..on e8 now21:47
diddledanmappps: my downloader missed e6 so I haven't seen that or 7 or 8 yet because I didn't want to do it out-of-order21:48
mapppsah ok21:49
mapppsyou agree it got better after e121:49
diddledanaye21:50
mapppsi almost dumped it after the 1st ep;p21:51
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