/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/04/27/#ubuntu-za.txt

melodiehave to go, good night00:00
Trixar_zaMostly getting confused and asking me to short it out :P00:00
Trixar_zaSo "I don't know" is a common phrase for them00:01
melodieoh... then you "short it" out?00:01
kulelu88:D00:01
melodiemake IT short? XD00:01
Trixar_zasort*00:01
kulelu88now you're getting mocked :D00:01
Trixar_zaIt's 2am :P00:01
kulelu88:D :D :D00:01
kulelu88go short that sit out mannnn :D00:02
melodieyes at 2 am it's authorized to joke around words00:02
melodiewhat does NLP mean?00:02
kulelu88natural language processing00:02
melodieo_O00:02
melodiekheuff!00:03
Trixar_zaIt doesn't really work00:03
Trixar_zaLike most things in IT :P00:03
kulelu88it got lost when you said short 00:03
melodiebugs should be common in NLP00:03
melodieworse in WLP00:03
melodie:D00:04
kulelu88WLP?00:04
melodieI'll try to not forget about that one! NLP really?00:04
melodieXD00:04
melodieWritten Language Processing !00:04
melodieXD00:04
kulelu88NLP + machine learning is how your french government is tracking you melodie ;)00:04
Trixar_zaWoman Lover Programming? Oo00:05
melodiekulelu88 don't get me started. ;)00:05
melodiewell, no, get me started!00:05
melodielet me show you a new project lead by one of our very good techs in France:00:05
kulelu88they want google to open their search algorithm now :D :D :D00:06
melodieCaliopen - http://caliopen.org00:06
melodiejust started in reaction to the laws being voted these times00:06
melodie<kulelu88> they want google to open their search algorithm now :D :D :D  || what do you refer to?00:07
melodienever mind, I have to quit. good night everybody!00:08
kulelu88take care00:08
Kilosmorning all05:59
Kilosmorning inetpro  06:32
KilosNeo31  you returned08:00
Kiloswb08:00
Kiloshmm...08:04
georgelappieshi all09:31
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gremble_o/09:37
Kiloshi gremble_  09:38
Kiloshi georgelappies  as well also too09:39
georgelappiesMorning Kilos, how are you on this Monday morning?09:39
Kilosmonthly meeting here tomorrow night at 20.30 guys09:39
Kilosim good ty georgelappies  and you?09:40
gremble_Hey Kilos 09:40
Kilosha stickyboy  you here and so quiet09:42
Kilosso who is a facebook fan here10:32
Kiloshmm... that frightened him away10:37
inetproKilos: don't do that!10:59
inetproKilos: oh and good mornings10:59
inetproand hi everyone else11:00
gremble_Hey inetpro 11:00
inetproKilos: did you get a message from that new GF of yours?11:00
gremble_lol11:01
inetproheh gremble_11:01
SquirmMorning11:02
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grembleHey Squirm 11:02
inetproI think she's still a bit confused with using Maaz for delivering messages11:02
inetprohi Squirm11:02
grembleUsing memoserv is not that bad though11:03
grembleJust annoying when idiots use it11:03
gremble"My ideal programming language would we one that I don't have to code in"11:05
grembleAMEN11:05
gremble:P11:05
Kilosinetpro  which one?11:06
grembleKilos: she said that she'll update some shit so you don't have to download a new ISO, just update as needed11:06
grembleOr something like that11:06
Kiloshi Squirm  inetpro  11:06
Kilosoh the zsync thing11:07
Kilosi only know how to zsync and iso i have here not a running system11:08
inetproKilos: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/04/26/%23ubuntu-za.html#t21:3211:08
Kilosoh yes inetpro  gotta fight you11:09
Kilosyou manipulate my slow head11:09
gremblei.imgur.com/3SZuiCc.jpg11:09
* inetpro calls on hibana for assistance11:09
Kiloslol11:09
gremble"It looks like what gets sucked out of a Transformer during an abortion"11:10
Kilosnono this is tween you and i11:10
* inetpro feels a rattle in the cage11:10
Kilosyesterday you said you thought ubuntu-za =Kilos so you could get out of not greeting m11:11
hibanainetpro: uh?11:11
Kiloshi hibana  11:11
Kilosbut 11:11
Kilosbut11:11
hibanahello oom Kilos 11:11
Kiloson other day you say mornings and oh and hi Kilos11:12
inetprooh Kilos, a change is as good as a holiday11:12
Kiloshibana  please sort the pro guy for manipulating me11:12
Kilosnono inetpro  i  take that as a personal affront11:13
grembleWhat is a personal abback?11:13
Kilosi dunno11:13
* hibana rather goes fishing again11:13
Kiloswas thinking about that word11:13
Kilosai! 11:14
grembleI am offended that my joke was summerily ignored11:14
Kiloslol11:14
grembleI'm not going to share funny things with you guys anymore11:14
Kilosnot affronted11:14
grembleabbacked11:14
inetproai! 11:14
grembleasside-waysed11:14
Kilosactually inetpro  i have been reading some old logs11:15
Kiloshehe even i dont understand some of the things i have asked you11:15
Kiloshahaha11:15
grembleWe don't either11:15
Kilosyou see at times my messages seem encrypted11:16
inetpro:-)11:16
inetproKilos: you are forgiven11:16
Kilosty my friend11:16
grembleYou guys asked me to make a page on the wiki, so I did11:16
inetprobtw, I downloaded the iso11:17
grembleBut none of you have said nice things about me on it yet11:17
gremble>.>11:17
inetprohmm...11:17
Kiloswell you gotta accept the fact , i might do some geek things but i dont speak geek yet11:17
Kilosgremble  link11:17
gremblewiki.ubuntu.com/gremble11:17
Kiloshahaha11:18
inetprogremble: the coding affecting you now?11:20
grembleMaybe11:20
Kiloshaha11:21
Kilosgotcha11:21
grembleI'm in a really good mood, so I am not bothered11:21
Kiloslolol11:21
gremble:P11:21
Kilosyou need to construct it man then we can write good testimonials11:22
grembleHA HA Kilos 11:22
gremble:P11:22
grembleit is constructed 11:22
gremblexD11:22
SquirmWhat to do in Cape TOwn today?11:22
grembleThe sea?11:22
grembleFire Safety11:23
Kilosmake a wiki page11:23
SquirmKilos: Why would I do such a thing?11:23
Kilosso i can write a testimonial11:23
gremblePsh. 11:24
Kilosyou have forgotten what i havent11:24
inetprolol11:24
inetprogremble: you want to apply for membership now?11:24
Kilosoh inetpro  11:25
grembleinetpro: no :P Just thought I would try and be more active11:25
grembleI like the idea of being distro-neutral11:25
Kiloslets encrypt this and see if others understand11:26
inetproSquirm: you can always try fixing our bot :-)11:26
grembleGood luck with that11:26
gremble:P11:26
Kilosinetpro  !11:26
inetproKilos: ?11:27
Kilosinetpro  QA11:27
Kilossquirm will know11:27
KilosQA on ec211:27
SquirmHeh11:27
inetproKilos: it's not working11:27
* Squirm wanders off to the beach11:27
SquirmOr town11:27
SquirmOr to the shop11:28
Kilosuh oh11:28
inetproSquirm: enjoy it!11:28
SquirmI guess anywhere else11:28
Squirm:P11:28
Kilosenjoy Squirm  11:28
SquirmOoooh, oooh11:28
SquirmI know what!11:28
inetproKilos: I was wrong11:28
Kilosagain?11:28
SquirmLet's eat cereal and watch some more White Collar in bed. Chat to you all later :)11:28
Kilosit works11:28
inetprothe bot is still in the repositories11:28
Kilosyes man but doesnt run11:29
inetproeven on vivid11:29
Kiloshave you got an older releases on ec211:29
Kilos12.04 works still11:29
gremble:P Just get someone to code a new one11:30
inetproKilos: wat verstaan jy nie11:30
* gremble not it11:30
* inetpro is not interested in going backwards11:30
Kilosdat jy probeer dit maak werk op systeem na 12.0411:30
inetproa package in the repositories is supposed to work11:31
Kiloskey word - supposed11:31
inetproit's not as if it's impossible to fix11:31
* inetpro just don't have the time and energy to go through all the troubleshooting just yet11:32
grembleA bunch of libraries around it are orphaned and new ones have different API's11:32
grembleSo it is not impossible11:32
grembleJust tedious11:32
inetproexactly11:32
Kilosconfluency  are you here?11:32
KilosA bunch of libraries around it are orphaned and new ones have different API's11:33
inetproai!11:33
grembleWhy are you stealing my words?11:33
Kilosso i can explain in geek whats wrong with the bot11:34
confluencyDudes. You do not need to run an entire older Ubuntu. Just run older evrsions of the libraries in a virtualenv.11:34
Kiloswe discussed this a few days back11:34
inetproconfluency: my first step was to try the packaged version in the repositories based on instructions at http://ibid.omnia.za.net/docs/0.1.0/install.html11:36
confluencyIf you want to fix whatever is wrong with the bot so that it works properly with the new versions, that's a great idea, but that does not require a rewrite into python3. I don't know where that idea came from.  If would be a lot more constructive to fix the problems in the python2 version first.11:36
Kilosgremble  ^^11:37
inetproconfluency: it fails: http://bin.snyman.info/wzyew11:37
grembleMeh. Why fix it in an old standard. If you have to use new libraries to get the basics working again, may as well port it to 3. 11:38
grembleBut then again, I am not going to touch it, so anyone that wants to can do whatever they want :P11:38
confluencyBecause porting is non-trivial, and python2 isn't going anywhere for a long time,.11:38
confluencyPorting takes time away from fixing things.11:38
confluencyinetpro: OK, so there's a problem with SQLAlchemy. There's a bug related to this filed on the bugtracker.  It's still open, so I'm guessing this hasn't been fixed, but it looks like there are two ibid version branches so I'm not sure.11:39
confluencyIf you want to run it from non-system libraries ina virtualenv, you should install a local version, not the packaged version.11:40
confluencyIf it ran in 12.04, you should be able to check what the versions of these libraries were. Then you can install those versions of the libraries in a virtualenv. Then you can install ibid in the virtualenv as well.11:41
inetproconfluency: I'll try a bit later from source11:47
Kilosty for the guidance confluency  11:47
confluencyYou should also try the 0.2 branch -- stuff like this may be getting fixed in there.11:48
confluencyI don't know very much about the current state of the project (I suspect that the former active developers are all otherwise occupied).11:48
Kilosyes  weed was the maintainer and he is gone and too busy in new job11:49
inetproconfluency: maybe you could join and help us to get it up to scratch again :-)11:49
* inetpro wbb11:49
confluencyHave a look at this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ibid/+bug/517785 There's a patch; I think it may have been patched into a newer version.  So I'd try 0.2 first.11:50
confluencyBut I don't want to write an IRC bot. :P11:50
confluencyI'm just here to backseat drive. ;)11:50
confluencys/patched/merged11:50
Kilosbackseat driving is way better than staying at home11:52
grembleNot for the frontseat driver11:52
Kiloslol11:52
Kilosgremble  you are tough man11:52
Kilosroll with the punches11:52
grembleHaha 11:52
confluencyIt looks like pypi only has 0.1.1 as well, so you'll probably have to get the source from Launchpad.11:53
grembleI can't python. So I am off the hook11:53
Kilosi have another idea, if ec2 can run 12.04 then ibid will work till 20.1711:54
Kilosby them gremble  can have learned python11:54
Kilos201711:55
grembleBy that time you can have learnt python11:56
gremble:P11:56
confluencyinetpro: yup, the sqlalchemy 0.6 / 0.7 support is in 0.2 for sure: https://code.launchpad.net/~ibid-core/ibid/trunk12:06
confluencySo with luck that version will run out of the box.12:07
SquirmWhy not just compile from source?12:33
SquirmGet the latest version that should work on the distro12:33
confluencyThat *is* 0.2.12:34
confluencyThere's nothing to compile; it's python.12:35
grembleIf I want to compile python, I damn well will :P12:38
confluencyinetpro: I get the same error with 0.2; looks like a deprecated flag is being passed to sqlalchemy.12:47
* hibana missed it12:52
inetproconfluency: I got a bit further this time12:57
inetproSee: http://bin.snyman.info/caq3912:57
confluencyHmm. Are you starting fresh, or using the old database?  I'm guessing the old database won't work without modification.13:00
confluencyHave a look at https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ibid-core/ibid/trunk/view/head:/scripts/ibid-db13:02
inetproconfluency: I used instructions from a previous attempt13:03
inetprohttp://bin.snyman.info/bub7t13:03
inetproshould probably try the bzr branch as well13:06
superflyinetpro: ah yes, I had to fix the code myself too13:56
inetprosuperfly: hmm... please share with us, what did you change?14:04
Kiloshmm...14:11
inetproconfluency: on 2015/02/04 Rogan wrote in the ibid channel, "ah, so it was not convert_unicode, it was assert_unicode that was the problem, it has been deprecated, so I just deleted the option, and everything is running now"14:13
inetpronot sure what exactly he deleted14:13
inetproand in what file14:13
confluencyThe assert_unicode option wherever it was passed, I assume.14:13
confluencyIt's in a couple of places. You can grep the code for it./14:14
confluencyI think it was deprecated in 0.6 and I'm guessing it was actually removed in 0.8, which is probably why the code is breaking now.14:15
confluencyCould one of you guys maybe file a bug report with a patch on Launchpad?14:15
Kilospoint me where and ill report it14:16
* inetpro will have to look again later... busy with something else14:16
confluencyThe person who makes the change should report it, so that they can explain in detail and include the patch.14:17
Kilosok14:17
* hibana caught a big fish15:12
Kilosyay15:12
Kiloswhat kind15:12
* Squirm gets to try out his new squash racket tonight15:13
Squirm^^15:13
inetprohibana: say hi to Kilos15:13
Kilosoh my15:13
inetprooops15:13
inetprohibanab: say hi to Kilos15:13
hibanabheya15:13
Kiloshi hibanab  15:14
* Kilos wonders if hibanab has more experience at fixing things15:16
inetprook Kilos, what shall we name her?15:17
KilosQA15:19
Kilosyou have it working?15:19
inetprohibanab: die15:20
hibanabinetpro: What?15:20
Kiloslol15:21
Kilosmaybe somewhere i have the ibid.db15:21
Kilosand three channels to join15:22
Kiloshere africa and kilos15:22
inetproQA: wb15:22
QAinetpro: *blink*15:22
Kilosoi15:22
KilosQA  hi15:23
QAwasup15:23
inetproconfluency: http://bin.snyman.info/9juv615:28
inetproQA: say hi to confluency15:29
QAgood morning15:29
confluencyYay15:29
Kilosmr fixit wins again15:29
inetprothe important bit is 'pip install SQLAlchemy==0.6'15:30
confluencyIs this 0.1.1 or o.2?15:30
inetproto be honest, I haven't compared versions just yet15:30
* inetpro simply cloned from https://github.com/ibid/ibid15:31
inetproor rather forked15:31
Kiloswonderful to see such an old head work so well15:32
inetproso if I do fix things, I shall fix my own fork at https://github.com/inetpro/ibid rather than breaking someone else's code15:33
* inetpro is only a newbie15:34
Kilosbut learning fast15:34
inetproKilos: but you see, we don't need python 3 just yet, and we don't need to run an old version of Ubuntu15:35
Kilosare you doing the virtual env thing15:36
inetproai!15:36
Kilosstaright install?15:36
inetproKilos: rtfs15:36
Kilosstraight15:36
Kilossigh15:37
grembleWhat does the s stand for, inetpro ?15:37
inetproKilos: 04/27 17:28:48 <inetpro> confluency: http://bin.snyman.info/9juv615:37
Kilosscript screen etc15:37
inetprogremble: sshhh15:37
grembleHmm?15:37
Kiloslol15:37
grembleI don't even know why I am being shushed15:38
Kiloshe first wants to torment me15:38
Kilosrtfs is his favourite way of making me lose even more hair15:38
Kiloshi Langjan  15:38
LangjanHi Kilos  howzit15:39
grembleWell, it does help to read15:39
inetproMaaz: rtfs15:39
MaazRead the Freaking Source/Spec/Screen15:39
inetprogremble: ^^15:39
Kilosgood ty Langjan  and you?15:39
LangjanFine thks Kilos 15:39
Kiloswhat did you break15:39
Kiloshehe15:39
LangjanJy lees my soos 'n boek...Question please15:40
Kilosgo ahead15:40
inetprokom nou Kilos, waar is jou QA db?15:40
Kilosek moet eers n krag ding soek vir eksterne inetpro  15:41
Kilospatience15:41
inetproai!15:41
grembleThis intermingling of afrikaans and english is hurting my brani15:41
gremblebrain* even15:41
Kiloswhat brain15:42
inetprosorry gremble15:42
* inetpro thought he knew all about rtfs15:42
grembleThe one I use for math :P15:42
kulelu88our youngest and oldest members are here today15:42
Kiloslol15:42
LangjanI exported e-mails from Thunderbird on a Windows 7 system, they were saved as a a3n4iggw.default file, but this format is not recognised for re-import15:42
inetprooi!15:43
kulelu88wouldn't .default be the thunderbird profile?15:43
grembleOh, hey kulelu88 15:43
kulelu88gremble: say hello to oom Langjan . 15:43
grembleoom?15:43
LangjanOK could be, then I must find out how to match the folder to the Tbird profile in Win 7?15:44
LangjanHi gremble 15:44
grembleHey Langjan. 15:44
Langjanand kulelu88 15:44
Langjanand inetpro 15:44
LangjanYes Kilos holds my age against me15:45
Kiloshahaha sorry15:45
grembleLangjan: Are you exporting from Thunderbird to Thunderbird?15:45
LangjanI suppose you cannot do anything about it can you? 15:46
LangjanYes gremble 15:46
LangjanForgiven Kilos 15:48
kulelu88you can marry a young woman Langjan . Ask Kilos , his new gf is 4815:48
Kilosty Langjan  15:48
LangjanWow! So 'n ou ramkat!15:48
grembleAccording to mozilla's knowledgebase, thunderbird does not have built-in capability to import, export or merge files. 15:48
Kiloshy jok15:48
grembleHowever, you can either move the profile folder over completely15:49
grembleOr you can use the ImportExportTools add-on15:49
gremblekb.mozillazine.org/Importing_and_exporting_your_mail15:49
kulelu88easier to move the profile folder (I think)15:50
gremble^15:50
LangjanOK makes sense, thanks - perhaps the add-on will be the easier bet for old people? 15:50
grembleDoubt it15:50
grembleYou should be able to ask thunderbird where the profile folder is kept15:50
grembleProbably ~/.thunderbird15:51
grembleor something15:51
Kilosgremble  he is 8 years and 2 months older than me15:51
LangjanOK but moving folder in Windows is a nightmare for me15:51
grembleI have no idea15:51
grembleOh 15:51
grembleForgot about the windows part15:51
grembleMoving folders in Windows is a nightmare for me too. Try the addon then15:51
LangjanThks gremble  let me try that first, tomorrow some time, will get back if I dont come right and with thks if I do15:52
grembleNo problem Langjan. I hope it helps15:53
LangjanMany thanks15:53
LangjanSo Kilos  when did the wedding happen?15:53
Kiloswhat wedding15:53
Langjankulelu88,  said you have a new 48-year old - what's a gf?15:54
Kilosno man, he has a hole in the front of his face thats jus makes noise15:55
kulelu88:D15:55
LangjanSo what does that noise mean kulelu88 ?15:55
Kilosek dink hy terg net15:56
Kilosjy weet waar my gf is15:56
kulelu88Kilos can't get married again. The new wife wants joint custody of the house15:56
LangjanIn Oz?15:56
Kilosya Langjan  15:57
LangjanOK ek het dan die kat by die stert beet, jammer15:57
Kiloslol dis die jonges wat net aangaan15:57
LangjanEk wou al myne inruil vir twee 35-jariges maar sy byt vas!15:58
Kiloshahaha15:58
LangjanOK julle manne ek gaan julle los, lekker aand daar 15:59
KilosLangjan  meeting tomorrow night hey15:59
Kilosyou have a good evening sir and good luck with TB15:59
grembleTuberculosis?15:59
KilosThunderbird16:00
Kilossigh16:00
LangjanOk but I get lost there, may just pop in to say hello  16:00
LangjanThks kl16:00
LangjanKilos, 16:00
Kilosanytime16:00
Langjanand gremble 16:00
inetproLangjan: just be there oom... good night16:01
Kilosthe young ones are here to help the old ones16:01
LangjanOk thks inetpro 16:01
inetpro:-)16:01
Kiloswhew we down to 10°c tonight16:01
LangjanEina, we still about 1516:01
* inetpro feels the cold already16:02
Kilosinetpro  still hunting. im sure i saw the qa db somewhere16:03
Kilosif not i will train her again16:03
grembleYhat made a python IDE that runs in the browser16:07
grembleLooks nice16:07
grembleCalled Rodeo16:07
grembleSlightly focussed on data science though16:08
kulelu88winter is coming *tee tee tara tee tee tara tee tee. teeeee teeeee16:12
elachechekulelu88, summer is comming here :d16:13
elacheche:D16:13
kulelu88where you? elacheche 16:15
elachechein the north :D Tunisia :D16:16
kulelu88oh ubuntu africa user?16:34
Kilossjoe16:36
grembleDoes someone in Tunisia even know what winter is?16:39
Kiloslol16:39
Kilosyeah when the dates fall off16:40
Kiloshi bmg505  you been too quiet16:43
elachecheloool kenju254 Kilos gremble :p 16:44
Kiloslol16:45
elachechewe have almost the same temperatures average → http://www.southafrica.info/cm_pics/travel/2781-0-0-0_1627132.gif 16:47
elachecheDon't think that Tunisia is in Europe.. We're Africans too :p16:47
kulelu88elacheche: you'll have to forgive Kilos . He is also falling off the tree now :D16:56
Kilosthen you should share our snow and frost16:56
Kilosgrumbles17:06
Kilosuh17:06
Kilosgremble17:06
Kilosthe bot be fixed17:06
Kilosmr fixit wins again17:07
elacheche:)17:12
grembleIt's fixed or has it just been cauterised?17:13
Kilosfixed17:14
grembleNice17:14
Kiloshttp://bin.snyman.info/9juv617:14
Kilosmy pro is very clever17:15
Kilosjust acts dumb at times17:15
* hibana calling it a day18:11
hibanagood night everyone18:11
Kilosnight hibana  18:11
Kilosty for the help18:11
captine_ghostevening all18:15
Kiloshi captine_ghost  18:15
captine_ghostneed some help.  trying irssi out on a digitalocean droplet, however, whenever i connect and use screen to run it, my keyboard strokes are duplicated etc18:16
captine_ghostanyone had this.18:16
Kilossjoe18:16
captine_ghostPS Kilos how do i kick myself off when i cannot properly disconnect?  do I need to wait for a timeout on captine to be able to use it again18:16
Kilosthere is a ghost command18:17
Kilosi used to know it18:17
=== captine_ghost is now known as captine
KilosMaaz  googleghost command for freenode18:18
MaazKilos: Huh?18:18
Kilosai!18:18
KilosMaaz  google ghost command for freenode18:18
captinedont strees'18:18
captinestress18:18
MaazKilos: "NickServ Is Your Friend | staffblog - Freenode" https://blog.freenode.net/2007/03/nickserv-is-your-friend/ :: "FAQs - Freenode" https://freenode.net/faq.shtml :: "irc - Kill ghost on connect to freenode in xchat? - Super User" http://superuser.com/questions/90626/kill-ghost-on-connect-to-freenode-in-xchat :: "toxin: Freenode NickServ Commands"18:18
Maazhttps://toxin.jottit.com/freenode_nickserv_commands :: "NickServ Options - DALnet Documentation Projec…18:18
Kilostumbleweed  inetpro  fixed ibid see http://bin.snyman.info/9juv618:21
captinevery weird18:21
captinecheck the text i typed in irssi18:22
Kilosyeah easier to wait for the timeout and change nicks18:22
captine[(status)] //jj^^^?^?hheellpp  ii  aamm  sseeeeiinngg  ddoouubbllee18:22
Kiloslol18:22
Kilosyou got the shakes18:22
captinefirst i thought it was putty on my windows work machine... but getting the same thing on ubuntu 14.0418:22
inetproKilos: stop bragging about it18:23
captinelooks that way18:23
inetprothere was nothing to fix18:23
Kilosinetpro  nope18:23
Kilosbragging about my team is my job18:23
Kilosadd it to your wiki page18:23
inetproit's all in the documentation18:23
Kilosyeah well we cant all rtfs18:24
inetprojust needed to do some RTFD18:24
inetpro:-)18:24
Kilosthe weed will be happy and appoint you as chief maintainer18:25
inetpronope18:25
Kiloshehe18:25
Kilosinetpro  you pay attention to details others miss18:27
KilosSquirm  go see QA is back on my channel18:36
Kilosso you dont need to hide anymore18:36
SquirmOk18:48
SquirmEvening all18:48
Squirmand Kilos, I'm not hiding18:48
Kiloshi Squirm  18:48
Kiloslol18:48
Kilosteasing man18:48
Kilosyou left the channel with the bot18:48
Jacques_StrYMaaz: I am Jacques Strydom18:53
MaazJacques_StrY: *blink*18:53
Jacques_StrY...18:53
Jacques_StrYlol18:53
inetprowb Jacques_StrY18:53
Kiloshi Jacques_StrY  wb18:53
Jacques_StrYGot the date wrong18:53
inetpromeeting is tomorrow :-)18:53
Jacques_StrYHey everyone18:53
inetproJacques_StrY: how are you doing?18:54
Jacques_StrYSorry for the mia, was away - just arrived home18:54
Kilosoh Jacques_StrY  william left some info in the lists hey18:54
Jacques_StrYFine thanks and you inetpro 18:54
inetproall good thank you18:54
Jacques_StrYThanks Kilos, I'll run through my mail quickly18:54
Kilosno serious rush i think18:55
Kilosmetinks i must go sleep. head starting to thump18:56
Kilosinetpro  worked me too hard today18:56
Jacques_StrYhaha ai!18:56
inetprohuh?18:56
* inetpro not feeling guilty18:57
Kiloshahaha18:57
inetprooom Kilos, you are the weakest link, good night!18:58
Kilosai!18:58
Kilosi will stay here18:58
Kilosgrrr18:58
inetpro:-)18:58
Kilospeeps take advantage of my good nature18:59
Jacques_StrYLast mail list mail is 6 days ago correct?18:59
Kilos24/04/201519:00
Kilosfrom william19:00
inetproKilos: to you?19:00
Kilosor was that straight to me19:00
Jacques_StrYhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-za/2015-April/thread.html19:01
Jacques_StrYLast message date: Tue Apr 21 21:05:45 UTC 201519:01
KilosAre they installing Booktype in ec2, If so, please ask them to document what they did19:01
KilosDid you see the Booktype intro video I posted19:01
Kiloshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_idpAV8YcQ&feature=youtu.be19:01
Kilosi dunno, tb isnt as easy to see where mails come from19:02
Jacques_StrYDefinitely, the guide provided by booktype refers to sources that don't work yet19:02
Kilosi thought that was a thread in the list19:02
Jacques_StrYi should check if i can get it working on ec2 tonight19:03
Kiloshe will be very happy, you guys are the first ones helping him19:03
Kilosothers just gave advice in the lit=sts19:03
Kiloslists19:04
Jacques_StrYWell it is easier to give advise - always :)19:09
Kiloslol19:10
captinenight all19:11
inetprooom Kilos jy mag maar gaan slaap19:12
KilosJacques_StrY  didnt you even see my meeting reminder in the mail?19:12
Kilosdankie in, trek warm aan moreoggend ne19:13
* Jacques_StrY - inetpro starting to feel guilty19:13
Kiloslol19:13
Jacques_StrYI muted my mails while I was gone :)19:13
Squirmgnight all19:14
Jacques_StrYNight19:14
inetproKilos: what meeting reminder?19:14
Kilosja but now im bang my meeting reminder didnt get there19:14
Kilosnight Squirm  19:14
Kilosai!19:14
Kilosinetpro  i mailed an early warnig=ng this avy19:15
Jacques_StrYWell I don't see one - all i see is the google+ reminder19:15
inetproKilos: you sent that to ubuntu news 19:15
Kilosoh my goodness19:15
Kilosnow to find sent in tb19:16
Kilosinetpro  where do you find sent mails in tb please19:17
inetproKilos: do you have a folder called gmail?19:18
inetprowith a little triangle to the left of it19:19
Kilosin tb?19:19
inetprono on your chair19:19
* Kilos looks19:19
inetprooops... yes man, in Thunderbird of course :-)19:20
Kilosfound it i was sitting on it19:21
Kilosty for that19:21
Kilossee if you see it now19:21
inetproai!19:21
Kiloswhat? wrong [lace again?19:22
Kiloseish man this tb is corrupt19:23
inetprono19:23
Kiloslast try then i go back to evo19:23
Kiloseish they went to cummunity council too19:25
inetprolol19:25
inetproand it's from msdomdonner AT gmail.com as well19:26
inetpronot from ubuntu.com19:26
Kilosya i gave up. you gotta tick to see the others everytime19:26
Kiloshavent found a way to make it default19:27
Kilosso now ill just stay as mae19:27
Kilosme19:28
Kilosairs and flairs are too heavy to carry19:28
Kilosi need to find someone to post on fb about the africa channel19:29
Kilosyou sit and laugh19:29
Kilosai! who needs enemies19:30
inetproKilos: it's all in your mind19:30
Kiloshaha19:30
Kilosi suppose i sent the hangouts message to nuvo to my ex as well19:31
Kilosinetpro  do you see the early warning email yet19:31
inetproyes it's there now man19:32
Kilosand i did the tweet thing19:32
* inetpro noticed19:32
inetprothanks19:32
Kilosyw19:32
Kilosi have to use 2 different browser so the tweet things dont get mixed up19:33
Jacques_StrYCouldn't connect for a while???19:46
Jacques_StrYsigh this ec2's security is too high19:47
Kilosai!19:47
Jacques_StrYhave to use key pairs to log in via ssh19:47
Jacques_StrYand now I have successfully setup Booktype - or i think - but can't access from public19:48
Jacques_StrYnot even a ping19:48
Jacques_StrYso probably being blocked19:48
Kilosoh my19:48
Kilosbut you can ssh in19:48
Jacques_StrYYes19:48
Kilosso we need to think about either running it that way and then downloading everything to be able to share19:49
Kilosor as ec2 to allow us to make it public19:49
Kilosask19:50
Jacques_StrYWill quickly do a few checks19:50
Jacques_StrYpublic access probably blocked by default19:50
Kilosah maybe you can change it in settings19:50
Kiloswe can always ask the pro to fixit19:53
Jacques_StrYnah - I believing in struggling yourself and only ask when you have tried all19:54
Jacques_StrYelse I never remember and do the same mistakes again19:54
Kilosya thats what i mean19:54
Kiloshe reads the fineprint we all miss19:55
Jacques_StrYIT IS WORKING!20:02
Kilosbooktype?20:02
Jacques_StrYHad to update security policies in ec2 dashboard, very user friendly20:02
Jacques_StrYYes booktype and public access20:03
Kiloswonderful news Jacques_StrY  well done20:03
Jacques_StrYhttp://54.213.229.90/20:03
Kilosdocument everything please20:03
Kiloswilliam will be very happy20:03
Kilosoh wow well done man20:04
Jacques_StrYSo I should probably make a proper install guide now20:04
Kilosnow we just need to find some teachers that are willing to get involved20:04
Kilosi dont know if they are gonna copy paste books or what20:05
Jacques_StrYwe should get a proper domain name for it as well20:05
Kilosoh my20:05
Kilosdomain names cost man20:06
Kiloshi smile  20:07
smileHi :)20:08
smileHi kilos my friend20:09
Kiloshows my smile  ?20:09
smileIt depends what part of me :)20:10
Kilosyour head20:10
Kilosand your hands and feet20:10
Kiloseverything between them you mess up at your own risk20:11
smileI am feeling fine, but headaches even make the best day worse. My eye hurts too. My energy is gone for today and I achieved little while working for school. However, I have good friends :)20:12
Kiloslol20:12
Kiloswhats wrong with your eye20:12
smileThe night was terrible. :-(20:12
Kilosbad night for one eye?20:13
smileWell my eye got tiny wood points in it20:13
Kilosouch20:13
Kilosbeen there done that20:13
smileNo, bad night for sleep and my headache20:13
Kiloseye injuries are very painfull20:14
smileParts as a result of making two parts of one part20:14
Kiloswhat were you doing20:14
Kiloswhen you work with anything that can splinter you must wear saftey goggles20:15
Kilossafety20:16
Jacques_StrYKilos: I'll sponsor the domain name if it comes to it - can't expect people to type aosdufsodfjs.sdlajsdkflsd.sdfsfd19616162641.com each time they want to visit :)20:16
Jacques_StrYHi smile 20:16
Kiloswhew20:17
smileI was helping my dad with a 2.5 meter by 1.5 wood plate :) he was cutting (wrong word) a part of the wood so it could be transported in our car20:17
Kiloscircular saw20:17
Jacques_StrYjoking but the name at the moment is http://ec2-54-213-229-90.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com/20:18
inetproJacques_StrY: haha, and when you shut down and restart the name is even different20:19
Kiloslets hear what williams plan is first20:19
inetproor not?20:19
smileNot circular ;-) by hand, Kilos20:19
Kilosinetpro  advice?20:19
Jacques_StrYLuckily not - but still20:19
inetproJacques_StrY: well, if you keep it shut down for a few hours you get a new IP address20:19
Kilosim trying to imagine how hand sawing a plank by hand can cause splinters20:20
Jacques_StrYinetpro :-O20:20
inetproJacques_StrY: at least that is what happened to mine20:21
Kilossmile  you can get drops from chemist i think called novacaine that numbs it so you can sleep20:21
smileIt was a very thick plate, made of good quality compressed wood :) so those things can get nasty small 20:22
Jacques_StrYinetpro: My OVH IP has stayed the same for 3 years luckily20:22
Jacques_StrYMaybe Amazon has different policies then20:22
smileI can sleep my headache hurts enough to forget my eye20:22
smile:)20:22
inetproahh, I still have the free instance20:22
Jacques_StrYpretty handy to mess around with20:23
inetprosmile: au!20:24
inetproJacques_StrY: very handy yes20:25
inetproJacques_StrY: how much do you pay per month if I may ask?20:26
smileBut in my mind I am happy! :) so it doesnt matter what I am going through20:26
Kiloseye injuries heak quite fast smile20:27
Kilos3 days to a week i think20:27
smileThats the good news :)20:28
Kilosyeah as long as it can still see you are fine20:29
Kilosand will be more careful next time20:29
Kilosmelodie  hiya20:30
melodiehello Kilos ^^20:30
melodiehow are you?20:30
smileYeah :) 20:30
Jacques_StrYec2 or ovh?20:30
kulelu88anybody using Go here? superfly ?20:30
smileMy father is building a temporary construction to paint the high wall of the stairs :)20:32
Kilosjust be carefull smile20:33
Kilosmake sure everything is well supported20:33
melodiesalut smile !20:34
Jacques_StrYinetpro: ec2 on free at the moment - R235 per month for the dedicated ovh20:34
melodiehello Jacques_StrY 20:34
Jacques_StrYHey melodie 20:34
smileBonsoir madame20:34
inetproJacques_StrY: what is ovh?20:34
smileMy father is very good at constructions. He is smart enough to make it very well supported :)20:35
Jacques_StrYinetpro: A company that does very affordable dedicated server hosting - http://www.kimsufi.com/en/20:37
Jacques_StrYCurrently have the ks-3 option20:37
melodiesmile bonsoir Monsieur20:37
inetproJacques_StrY: nice!20:38
melodiesmile if your father is good at construction maybe could we do business?20:38
smileHe is very small scale :)20:38
melodieso am I :D20:39
* inetpro calls it a day20:39
inetprogood night everyone20:39
Jacques_StrYinetpro: Their VPS is cheaper then EC2 as well so would suggest that when the ec2 free period expires to move over20:40
smileWhat are you trying to make? :)20:40
kulelu88that is darn cheap20:40
kulelu88but atom servers??20:40
Jacques_StrYnight inetpro20:40
melodiesmile are you talking to me?20:40
Kilosnight inetpro  sleep tight and ty20:41
Jacques_StrYkulelu88: Currently have the i5 but had the atom, worked fine fore small websites and file servers20:41
melodiegn Kilos !20:41
kulelu88how small? Jacques_StrY 20:42
Kilosnm melodie  im still here pro gone20:42
melodienm pas compris not understood20:42
Jacques_StrYkulelu88: any static pages ran fine - wordpress sites want a bit more20:43
Kilosnever mind20:43
kulelu88wordpress? darn, not enough power then20:43
Kilosbut i meant to say no man 20:43
Kilosbut you not a man so my head froze20:43
melodieaha20:44
melodieok20:44
Kiloslol20:44
Kilos:D20:44
Jacques_StrYkulelu88: it works but not as snappy as I want it - rather go for vps if don't mind less storage20:44
kulelu88true, i'm thinking of going for a good compiled language to conserve resources20:44
Jacques_StrYkulelu88: $2.99 a month for a vps isn't much20:45
kulelu88Jacques_StrY: I don't use those kind VPSes20:45
KilosJacques_StrY  will you and william sort out what still must be done please?20:46
kulelu88The little more expensive 1s are better at 7-10 dollars20:46
Kilosmy kop sukkel om by te bly met al die goed20:46
Jacques_StrYkulelu88: Yea, like how vps scale easily20:46
melodieKilos in this case, you can use it right away: http://pastebin.fr/3941520:47
Jacques_StrYKilos: I'll pop him a mail tomorrow morning - think he will be glad20:47
melodieor just before going to sleep if you have a better price on the dowload cost20:47
kulelu88Hopefully this decision isn't bad20:48
Kilosyeah Jacques_StrY  he will20:50
Kilosmelodie  i can hopefully wake up early and do the installs before 7 then its classed as nighttime data not my 2g 20:51
Kilosi have copied everything to file here20:52
superflykulelu88: negatory20:54
melodieKilos keep the second one only20:54
melodiethere is a full "apt-get install" line with the package names 20:54
Kilosis the first one wrong melodie  i see there is more in it20:55
Kilosi will use aptitude and give you the results20:55
kulelu88superfly: the performance is apparently greatly superior to all the dynamic langs and it isn't a shitstorm to code in, compared to C20:55
melodieit's not wrong, just less handy20:55
melodieKilos "sudo apt-get"20:55
melodieno aptitude20:55
Kilosi will save both20:55
Kilossuperfly  tell her about aptitude20:56
melodieKilos the second one is just formatted so you have to do just a copy/paste20:56
Kilosaptitude is a good tool20:56
melodieexcept the second part which is commented20:56
melodieKilos yes and no, it's a confusing tool20:56
Kilosoh ok20:56
superflyaptitude was great, until it couldn't handle multiarch20:56
Kilosits a wonderful tool melodie  you must learn to use it20:56
Kilosim doing 32bit so should be fine20:57
Kilosmelodie  ok ill use aot-get if it makes you happy20:58
Kilosapt-get20:58
melodieKilos I bet you will20:59
melodie$ LANG=C ls -l /usr/bin/aptitude20:59
melodiels: cannot access /usr/bin/aptitude: No such file or directory20:59
Kiloshaha20:59
melodie:D20:59
Kilosi have already installed pidgin with aptitude20:59
Kilosbut np20:59
melodielol!21:00
Kilosapt-get install aptitude21:00
melodieit could be that nowadays it's the same21:00
Kiloshehe21:00
Kilosthe fly says it cant handle multiarch but that 64bit and 32bit we only using 32bit21:01
Kiloswell me anyway on old pc21:01
melodieyou are talking weird, d'you know?21:02
melodiebut never mind21:02
Kilosagain?21:02
Kiloslol21:02
melodiethe fly says21:02
melodieflies don't talk afaik21:02
Kilosoh we call superfly  the fly21:02
melodieXD21:02
Kilos:D21:02
melodiewhat is it that can't handle multiarch?21:03
Kilosmultiarch is when 64bit needs to use some 32bit packages i think21:03
melodiepossibly21:03
melodieI take the train tomorrow morning, early, so I will leave now21:04
Kilosok ty for the help, sleep tight21:04
Kilosand go safe21:04
melodie:-)21:05
melodiethanks21:05
melodietake care!21:05
Kilosalways21:05
melodie:)21:05
Kilos:D21:05
Kilosnight all, sleep tight21:07
Jacques_StrYNight all21:25
smileSlaapwel :)21:32

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