[00:00] <melodie> have to go, good night
[00:00] <Trixar_za> Mostly getting confused and asking me to short it out :P
[00:01] <Trixar_za> So "I don't know" is a common phrase for them
[00:01] <melodie> oh... then you "short it" out?
[00:01] <kulelu88> :D
[00:01] <melodie> make IT short? XD
[00:01] <Trixar_za> sort*
[00:01] <kulelu88> now you're getting mocked :D
[00:01] <Trixar_za> It's 2am :P
[00:01] <kulelu88> :D :D :D
[00:02] <kulelu88> go short that sit out mannnn :D
[00:02] <melodie> yes at 2 am it's authorized to joke around words
[00:02] <melodie> what does NLP mean?
[00:02] <kulelu88> natural language processing
[00:02] <melodie> o_O
[00:03] <melodie> kheuff!
[00:03] <Trixar_za> It doesn't really work
[00:03] <Trixar_za> Like most things in IT :P
[00:03] <kulelu88> it got lost when you said short 
[00:03] <melodie> bugs should be common in NLP
[00:03] <melodie> worse in WLP
[00:04] <melodie> :D
[00:04] <kulelu88> WLP?
[00:04] <melodie> I'll try to not forget about that one! NLP really?
[00:04] <melodie> XD
[00:04] <melodie> Written Language Processing !
[00:04] <melodie> XD
[00:04] <kulelu88> NLP + machine learning is how your french government is tracking you melodie ;)
[00:05] <Trixar_za> Woman Lover Programming? Oo
[00:05] <melodie> kulelu88 don't get me started. ;)
[00:05] <melodie> well, no, get me started!
[00:05] <melodie> let me show you a new project lead by one of our very good techs in France:
[00:06] <kulelu88> they want google to open their search algorithm now :D :D :D
[00:06] <melodie> Caliopen - http://caliopen.org
[00:06] <melodie> just started in reaction to the laws being voted these times
 they want google to open their search algorithm now :D :D :D  || what do you refer to?
[00:08] <melodie> never mind, I have to quit. good night everybody!
[00:08] <kulelu88> take care
[05:59] <Kilos> morning all
[06:32] <Kilos> morning inetpro  
[08:00] <Kilos> Neo31  you returned
[08:00] <Kilos> wb
[08:04] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:31] <georgelappies> hi all
[09:37] <gremble_> o/
[09:38] <Kilos> hi gremble_  
[09:39] <Kilos> hi georgelappies  as well also too
[09:39] <georgelappies> Morning Kilos, how are you on this Monday morning?
[09:39] <Kilos> monthly meeting here tomorrow night at 20.30 guys
[09:40] <Kilos> im good ty georgelappies  and you?
[09:40] <gremble_> Hey Kilos 
[09:42] <Kilos> ha stickyboy  you here and so quiet
[10:32] <Kilos> so who is a facebook fan here
[10:37] <Kilos> hmm... that frightened him away
[10:59] <inetpro> Kilos: don't do that!
[10:59] <inetpro> Kilos: oh and good mornings
[11:00] <inetpro> and hi everyone else
[11:00] <gremble_> Hey inetpro 
[11:00] <inetpro> Kilos: did you get a message from that new GF of yours?
[11:01] <gremble_> lol
[11:01] <inetpro> heh gremble_
[11:02] <Squirm> Morning
[11:02] <gremble> Hey Squirm 
[11:02] <inetpro> I think she's still a bit confused with using Maaz for delivering messages
[11:02] <inetpro> hi Squirm
[11:03] <gremble> Using memoserv is not that bad though
[11:03] <gremble> Just annoying when idiots use it
[11:05] <gremble> "My ideal programming language would we one that I don't have to code in"
[11:05] <gremble> AMEN
[11:05] <gremble> :P
[11:06] <Kilos> inetpro  which one?
[11:06] <gremble> Kilos: she said that she'll update some shit so you don't have to download a new ISO, just update as needed
[11:06] <gremble> Or something like that
[11:06] <Kilos> hi Squirm  inetpro  
[11:07] <Kilos> oh the zsync thing
[11:08] <Kilos> i only know how to zsync and iso i have here not a running system
[11:08] <inetpro> Kilos: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/04/26/%23ubuntu-za.html#t21:32
[11:09] <Kilos> oh yes inetpro  gotta fight you
[11:09] <Kilos> you manipulate my slow head
[11:09] <gremble> i.imgur.com/3SZuiCc.jpg
[11:09]  * inetpro calls on hibana for assistance
[11:09] <Kilos> lol
[11:10] <gremble> "It looks like what gets sucked out of a Transformer during an abortion"
[11:10] <Kilos> nono this is tween you and i
[11:10]  * inetpro feels a rattle in the cage
[11:11] <Kilos> yesterday you said you thought ubuntu-za =Kilos so you could get out of not greeting m
[11:11] <hibana> inetpro: uh?
[11:11] <Kilos> hi hibana  
[11:11] <Kilos> but 
[11:11] <Kilos> but
[11:11] <hibana> hello oom Kilos 
[11:12] <Kilos> on other day you say mornings and oh and hi Kilos
[11:12] <inetpro> oh Kilos, a change is as good as a holiday
[11:12] <Kilos> hibana  please sort the pro guy for manipulating me
[11:13] <Kilos> nono inetpro  i  take that as a personal affront
[11:13] <gremble> What is a personal abback?
[11:13] <Kilos> i dunno
[11:13]  * hibana rather goes fishing again
[11:13] <Kilos> was thinking about that word
[11:14] <Kilos> ai! 
[11:14] <gremble> I am offended that my joke was summerily ignored
[11:14] <Kilos> lol
[11:14] <gremble> I'm not going to share funny things with you guys anymore
[11:14] <Kilos> not affronted
[11:14] <gremble> abbacked
[11:14] <inetpro> ai! 
[11:14] <gremble> asside-waysed
[11:15] <Kilos> actually inetpro  i have been reading some old logs
[11:15] <Kilos> hehe even i dont understand some of the things i have asked you
[11:15] <Kilos> hahaha
[11:15] <gremble> We don't either
[11:16] <Kilos> you see at times my messages seem encrypted
[11:16] <inetpro> :-)
[11:16] <inetpro> Kilos: you are forgiven
[11:16] <Kilos> ty my friend
[11:16] <gremble> You guys asked me to make a page on the wiki, so I did
[11:17] <inetpro> btw, I downloaded the iso
[11:17] <gremble> But none of you have said nice things about me on it yet
[11:17] <gremble> >.>
[11:17] <inetpro> hmm...
[11:17] <Kilos> well you gotta accept the fact , i might do some geek things but i dont speak geek yet
[11:17] <Kilos> gremble  link
[11:17] <gremble> wiki.ubuntu.com/gremble
[11:18] <Kilos> hahaha
[11:20] <inetpro> gremble: the coding affecting you now?
[11:20] <gremble> Maybe
[11:21] <Kilos> haha
[11:21] <Kilos> gotcha
[11:21] <gremble> I'm in a really good mood, so I am not bothered
[11:21] <Kilos> lolol
[11:21] <gremble> :P
[11:22] <Kilos> you need to construct it man then we can write good testimonials
[11:22] <gremble> HA HA Kilos 
[11:22] <gremble> :P
[11:22] <gremble> it is constructed 
[11:22] <gremble> xD
[11:22] <Squirm> What to do in Cape TOwn today?
[11:22] <gremble> The sea?
[11:23] <gremble> Fire Safety
[11:23] <Kilos> make a wiki page
[11:23] <Squirm> Kilos: Why would I do such a thing?
[11:23] <Kilos> so i can write a testimonial
[11:24] <gremble> Psh. 
[11:24] <Kilos> you have forgotten what i havent
[11:24] <inetpro> lol
[11:24] <inetpro> gremble: you want to apply for membership now?
[11:25] <Kilos> oh inetpro  
[11:25] <gremble> inetpro: no :P Just thought I would try and be more active
[11:25] <gremble> I like the idea of being distro-neutral
[11:26] <Kilos> lets encrypt this and see if others understand
[11:26] <inetpro> Squirm: you can always try fixing our bot :-)
[11:26] <gremble> Good luck with that
[11:26] <gremble> :P
[11:26] <Kilos> inetpro  !
[11:27] <inetpro> Kilos: ?
[11:27] <Kilos> inetpro  QA
[11:27] <Kilos> squirm will know
[11:27] <Kilos> QA on ec2
[11:27] <Squirm> Heh
[11:27] <inetpro> Kilos: it's not working
[11:27]  * Squirm wanders off to the beach
[11:27] <Squirm> Or town
[11:28] <Squirm> Or to the shop
[11:28] <Kilos> uh oh
[11:28] <inetpro> Squirm: enjoy it!
[11:28] <Squirm> I guess anywhere else
[11:28] <Squirm> :P
[11:28] <Kilos> enjoy Squirm  
[11:28] <Squirm> Ooooh, oooh
[11:28] <Squirm> I know what!
[11:28] <inetpro> Kilos: I was wrong
[11:28] <Kilos> again?
[11:28] <Squirm> Let's eat cereal and watch some more White Collar in bed. Chat to you all later :)
[11:28] <Kilos> it works
[11:28] <inetpro> the bot is still in the repositories
[11:29] <Kilos> yes man but doesnt run
[11:29] <inetpro> even on vivid
[11:29] <Kilos> have you got an older releases on ec2
[11:29] <Kilos> 12.04 works still
[11:30] <gremble> :P Just get someone to code a new one
[11:30] <inetpro> Kilos: wat verstaan jy nie
[11:30]  * gremble not it
[11:30]  * inetpro is not interested in going backwards
[11:30] <Kilos> dat jy probeer dit maak werk op systeem na 12.04
[11:31] <inetpro> a package in the repositories is supposed to work
[11:31] <Kilos> key word - supposed
[11:31] <inetpro> it's not as if it's impossible to fix
[11:32]  * inetpro just don't have the time and energy to go through all the troubleshooting just yet
[11:32] <gremble> A bunch of libraries around it are orphaned and new ones have different API's
[11:32] <gremble> So it is not impossible
[11:32] <gremble> Just tedious
[11:32] <inetpro> exactly
[11:32] <Kilos> confluency  are you here?
[11:33] <Kilos> A bunch of libraries around it are orphaned and new ones have different API's
[11:33] <inetpro> ai!
[11:33] <gremble> Why are you stealing my words?
[11:34] <Kilos> so i can explain in geek whats wrong with the bot
[11:34] <confluency> Dudes. You do not need to run an entire older Ubuntu. Just run older evrsions of the libraries in a virtualenv.
[11:34] <Kilos> we discussed this a few days back
[11:36] <inetpro> confluency: my first step was to try the packaged version in the repositories based on instructions at http://ibid.omnia.za.net/docs/0.1.0/install.html
[11:36] <confluency> If you want to fix whatever is wrong with the bot so that it works properly with the new versions, that's a great idea, but that does not require a rewrite into python3. I don't know where that idea came from.  If would be a lot more constructive to fix the problems in the python2 version first.
[11:37] <Kilos> gremble  ^^
[11:37] <inetpro> confluency: it fails: http://bin.snyman.info/wzyew
[11:38] <gremble> Meh. Why fix it in an old standard. If you have to use new libraries to get the basics working again, may as well port it to 3. 
[11:38] <gremble> But then again, I am not going to touch it, so anyone that wants to can do whatever they want :P
[11:38] <confluency> Because porting is non-trivial, and python2 isn't going anywhere for a long time,.
[11:38] <confluency> Porting takes time away from fixing things.
[11:39] <confluency> inetpro: OK, so there's a problem with SQLAlchemy. There's a bug related to this filed on the bugtracker.  It's still open, so I'm guessing this hasn't been fixed, but it looks like there are two ibid version branches so I'm not sure.
[11:40] <confluency> If you want to run it from non-system libraries ina virtualenv, you should install a local version, not the packaged version.
[11:41] <confluency> If it ran in 12.04, you should be able to check what the versions of these libraries were. Then you can install those versions of the libraries in a virtualenv. Then you can install ibid in the virtualenv as well.
[11:47] <inetpro> confluency: I'll try a bit later from source
[11:47] <Kilos> ty for the guidance confluency  
[11:48] <confluency> You should also try the 0.2 branch -- stuff like this may be getting fixed in there.
[11:48] <confluency> I don't know very much about the current state of the project (I suspect that the former active developers are all otherwise occupied).
[11:49] <Kilos> yes  weed was the maintainer and he is gone and too busy in new job
[11:49] <inetpro> confluency: maybe you could join and help us to get it up to scratch again :-)
[11:49]  * inetpro wbb
[11:50] <confluency> Have a look at this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ibid/+bug/517785 There's a patch; I think it may have been patched into a newer version.  So I'd try 0.2 first.
[11:50] <confluency> But I don't want to write an IRC bot. :P
[11:50] <confluency> I'm just here to backseat drive. ;)
[11:50] <confluency> s/patched/merged
[11:52] <Kilos> backseat driving is way better than staying at home
[11:52] <gremble> Not for the frontseat driver
[11:52] <Kilos> lol
[11:52] <Kilos> gremble  you are tough man
[11:52] <Kilos> roll with the punches
[11:52] <gremble> Haha 
[11:53] <confluency> It looks like pypi only has 0.1.1 as well, so you'll probably have to get the source from Launchpad.
[11:53] <gremble> I can't python. So I am off the hook
[11:54] <Kilos> i have another idea, if ec2 can run 12.04 then ibid will work till 20.17
[11:54] <Kilos> by them gremble  can have learned python
[11:55] <Kilos> 2017
[11:56] <gremble> By that time you can have learnt python
[11:56] <gremble> :P
[12:06] <confluency> inetpro: yup, the sqlalchemy 0.6 / 0.7 support is in 0.2 for sure: https://code.launchpad.net/~ibid-core/ibid/trunk
[12:07] <confluency> So with luck that version will run out of the box.
[12:33] <Squirm> Why not just compile from source?
[12:33] <Squirm> Get the latest version that should work on the distro
[12:34] <confluency> That *is* 0.2.
[12:35] <confluency> There's nothing to compile; it's python.
[12:38] <gremble> If I want to compile python, I damn well will :P
[12:47] <confluency> inetpro: I get the same error with 0.2; looks like a deprecated flag is being passed to sqlalchemy.
[12:52]  * hibana missed it
[12:57] <inetpro> confluency: I got a bit further this time
[12:57] <inetpro> See: http://bin.snyman.info/caq39
[13:00] <confluency> Hmm. Are you starting fresh, or using the old database?  I'm guessing the old database won't work without modification.
[13:02] <confluency> Have a look at https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ibid-core/ibid/trunk/view/head:/scripts/ibid-db
[13:03] <inetpro> confluency: I used instructions from a previous attempt
[13:03] <inetpro> http://bin.snyman.info/bub7t
[13:06] <inetpro> should probably try the bzr branch as well
[13:56] <superfly> inetpro: ah yes, I had to fix the code myself too
[14:04] <inetpro> superfly: hmm... please share with us, what did you change?
[14:11] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:13] <inetpro> confluency: on 2015/02/04 Rogan wrote in the ibid channel, "ah, so it was not convert_unicode, it was assert_unicode that was the problem, it has been deprecated, so I just deleted the option, and everything is running now"
[14:13] <inetpro> not sure what exactly he deleted
[14:13] <inetpro> and in what file
[14:13] <confluency> The assert_unicode option wherever it was passed, I assume.
[14:14] <confluency> It's in a couple of places. You can grep the code for it./
[14:15] <confluency> I think it was deprecated in 0.6 and I'm guessing it was actually removed in 0.8, which is probably why the code is breaking now.
[14:15] <confluency> Could one of you guys maybe file a bug report with a patch on Launchpad?
[14:16] <Kilos> point me where and ill report it
[14:16]  * inetpro will have to look again later... busy with something else
[14:17] <confluency> The person who makes the change should report it, so that they can explain in detail and include the patch.
[14:17] <Kilos> ok
[15:12]  * hibana caught a big fish
[15:12] <Kilos> yay
[15:12] <Kilos> what kind
[15:13]  * Squirm gets to try out his new squash racket tonight
[15:13] <Squirm> ^^
[15:13] <inetpro> hibana: say hi to Kilos
[15:13] <Kilos> oh my
[15:13] <inetpro> oops
[15:13] <inetpro> hibanab: say hi to Kilos
[15:13] <hibanab> heya
[15:14] <Kilos> hi hibanab  
[15:16]  * Kilos wonders if hibanab  has more experience at fixing things
[15:17] <inetpro> ok Kilos, what shall we name her?
[15:19] <Kilos> QA
[15:19] <Kilos> you have it working?
[15:20] <inetpro> hibanab: die
[15:20] <hibanab> inetpro: What?
[15:21] <Kilos> lol
[15:21] <Kilos> maybe somewhere i have the ibid.db
[15:22] <Kilos> and three channels to join
[15:22] <Kilos> here africa and kilos
[15:22] <inetpro> QA: wb
[15:22] <QA> inetpro: *blink*
[15:22] <Kilos> oi
[15:23] <Kilos> QA  hi
[15:23] <QA> wasup
[15:28] <inetpro> confluency: http://bin.snyman.info/9juv6
[15:29] <inetpro> QA: say hi to confluency
[15:29] <QA> good morning
[15:29] <confluency> Yay
[15:29] <Kilos> mr fixit wins again
[15:30] <inetpro> the important bit is 'pip install SQLAlchemy==0.6'
[15:30] <confluency> Is this 0.1.1 or o.2?
[15:30] <inetpro> to be honest, I haven't compared versions just yet
[15:31]  * inetpro simply cloned from https://github.com/ibid/ibid
[15:31] <inetpro> or rather forked
[15:32] <Kilos> wonderful to see such an old head work so well
[15:33] <inetpro> so if I do fix things, I shall fix my own fork at https://github.com/inetpro/ibid rather than breaking someone else's code
[15:34]  * inetpro is only a newbie
[15:34] <Kilos> but learning fast
[15:35] <inetpro> Kilos: but you see, we don't need python 3 just yet, and we don't need to run an old version of Ubuntu
[15:36] <Kilos> are you doing the virtual env thing
[15:36] <inetpro> ai!
[15:36] <Kilos> staright install?
[15:36] <inetpro> Kilos: rtfs
[15:36] <Kilos> straight
[15:37] <Kilos> sigh
[15:37] <gremble> What does the s stand for, inetpro ?
[15:37] <inetpro> Kilos: 04/27 17:28:48 <inetpro> confluency: http://bin.snyman.info/9juv6
[15:37] <Kilos> script screen etc
[15:37] <inetpro> gremble: sshhh
[15:37] <gremble> Hmm?
[15:37] <Kilos> lol
[15:38] <gremble> I don't even know why I am being shushed
[15:38] <Kilos> he first wants to torment me
[15:38] <Kilos> rtfs is his favourite way of making me lose even more hair
[15:38] <Kilos> hi Langjan  
[15:39] <Langjan> Hi Kilos  howzit
[15:39] <gremble> Well, it does help to read
[15:39] <inetpro> Maaz: rtfs
[15:39] <Maaz> Read the Freaking Source/Spec/Screen
[15:39] <inetpro> gremble: ^^
[15:39] <Kilos> good ty Langjan  and you?
[15:39] <Langjan> Fine thks Kilos 
[15:39] <Kilos> what did you break
[15:39] <Kilos> hehe
[15:40] <Langjan> Jy lees my soos 'n boek...Question please
[15:40] <Kilos> go ahead
[15:40] <inetpro> kom nou Kilos, waar is jou QA db?
[15:41] <Kilos> ek moet eers n krag ding soek vir eksterne inetpro  
[15:41] <Kilos> patience
[15:41] <inetpro> ai!
[15:41] <gremble> This intermingling of afrikaans and english is hurting my brani
[15:41] <gremble> brain* even
[15:42] <Kilos> what brain
[15:42] <inetpro> sorry gremble
[15:42]  * inetpro thought he knew all about rtfs
[15:42] <gremble> The one I use for math :P
[15:42] <kulelu88> our youngest and oldest members are here today
[15:42] <Kilos> lol
[15:42] <Langjan> I exported e-mails from Thunderbird on a Windows 7 system, they were saved as a a3n4iggw.default file, but this format is not recognised for re-import
[15:43] <inetpro> oi!
[15:43] <kulelu88> wouldn't .default be the thunderbird profile?
[15:43] <gremble> Oh, hey kulelu88 
[15:43] <kulelu88> gremble: say hello to oom Langjan . 
[15:43] <gremble> oom?
[15:44] <Langjan> OK could be, then I must find out how to match the folder to the Tbird profile in Win 7?
[15:44] <Langjan> Hi gremble 
[15:44] <gremble> Hey Langjan. 
[15:44] <Langjan> and kulelu88 
[15:44] <Langjan> and inetpro 
[15:45] <Langjan> Yes Kilos holds my age against me
[15:45] <Kilos> hahaha sorry
[15:45] <gremble> Langjan: Are you exporting from Thunderbird to Thunderbird?
[15:46] <Langjan> I suppose you cannot do anything about it can you? 
[15:46] <Langjan> Yes gremble 
[15:48] <Langjan> Forgiven Kilos 
[15:48] <kulelu88> you can marry a young woman Langjan . Ask Kilos , his new gf is 48
[15:48] <Kilos> ty Langjan  
[15:48] <Langjan> Wow! So 'n ou ramkat!
[15:48] <gremble> According to mozilla's knowledgebase, thunderbird does not have built-in capability to import, export or merge files. 
[15:48] <Kilos> hy jok
[15:49] <gremble> However, you can either move the profile folder over completely
[15:49] <gremble> Or you can use the ImportExportTools add-on
[15:49] <gremble> kb.mozillazine.org/Importing_and_exporting_your_mail
[15:50] <kulelu88> easier to move the profile folder (I think)
[15:50] <gremble> ^
[15:50] <Langjan> OK makes sense, thanks - perhaps the add-on will be the easier bet for old people? 
[15:50] <gremble> Doubt it
[15:50] <gremble> You should be able to ask thunderbird where the profile folder is kept
[15:51] <gremble> Probably ~/.thunderbird
[15:51] <gremble> or something
[15:51] <Kilos> gremble  he is 8 years and 2 months older than me
[15:51] <Langjan> OK but moving folder in Windows is a nightmare for me
[15:51] <gremble> I have no idea
[15:51] <gremble> Oh 
[15:51] <gremble> Forgot about the windows part
[15:51] <gremble> Moving folders in Windows is a nightmare for me too. Try the addon then
[15:52] <Langjan> Thks gremble  let me try that first, tomorrow some time, will get back if I dont come right and with thks if I do
[15:53] <gremble> No problem Langjan. I hope it helps
[15:53] <Langjan> Many thanks
[15:53] <Langjan> So Kilos  when did the wedding happen?
[15:53] <Kilos> what wedding
[15:54] <Langjan> kulelu88,  said you have a new 48-year old - what's a gf?
[15:55] <Kilos> no man, he has a hole in the front of his face thats jus makes noise
[15:55] <kulelu88> :D
[15:55] <Langjan> So what does that noise mean kulelu88 ?
[15:56] <Kilos> ek dink hy terg net
[15:56] <Kilos> jy weet waar my gf is
[15:56] <kulelu88> Kilos can't get married again. The new wife wants joint custody of the house
[15:56] <Langjan> In Oz?
[15:57] <Kilos> ya Langjan  
[15:57] <Langjan> OK ek het dan die kat by die stert beet, jammer
[15:57] <Kilos> lol dis die jonges wat net aangaan
[15:58] <Langjan> Ek wou al myne inruil vir twee 35-jariges maar sy byt vas!
[15:58] <Kilos> hahaha
[15:59] <Langjan> OK julle manne ek gaan julle los, lekker aand daar 
[15:59] <Kilos> Langjan  meeting tomorrow night hey
[15:59] <Kilos> you have a good evening sir and good luck with TB
[15:59] <gremble> Tuberculosis?
[16:00] <Kilos> Thunderbird
[16:00] <Kilos> sigh
[16:00] <Langjan> Ok but I get lost there, may just pop in to say hello  
[16:00] <Langjan> Thks kl
[16:00] <Langjan> Kilos, 
[16:00] <Kilos> anytime
[16:00] <Langjan> and gremble 
[16:01] <inetpro> Langjan: just be there oom... good night
[16:01] <Kilos> the young ones are here to help the old ones
[16:01] <Langjan> Ok thks inetpro 
[16:01] <inetpro> :-)
[16:01] <Kilos> whew we down to 10°c tonight
[16:01] <Langjan> Eina, we still about 15
[16:02]  * inetpro feels the cold already
[16:03] <Kilos> inetpro  still hunting. im sure i saw the qa db somewhere
[16:03] <Kilos> if not i will train her again
[16:07] <gremble> Yhat made a python IDE that runs in the browser
[16:07] <gremble> Looks nice
[16:07] <gremble> Called Rodeo
[16:08] <gremble> Slightly focussed on data science though
[16:12] <kulelu88> winter is coming *tee tee tara tee tee tara tee tee. teeeee teeeee
[16:13] <elacheche> kulelu88, summer is comming here :d
[16:13] <elacheche> :D
[16:15] <kulelu88> where you? elacheche 
[16:16] <elacheche> in the north :D Tunisia :D
[16:34] <kulelu88> oh ubuntu africa user?
[16:36] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:39] <gremble> Does someone in Tunisia even know what winter is?
[16:39] <Kilos> lol
[16:40] <Kilos> yeah when the dates fall off
[16:43] <Kilos> hi bmg505  you been too quiet
[16:44] <elacheche> loool kenju254 Kilos gremble :p 
[16:45] <Kilos> lol
[16:47] <elacheche> we have almost the same temperatures average → http://www.southafrica.info/cm_pics/travel/2781-0-0-0_1627132.gif 
[16:47] <elacheche> Don't think that Tunisia is in Europe.. We're Africans too :p
[16:56] <kulelu88> elacheche: you'll have to forgive Kilos . He is also falling off the tree now :D
[16:56] <Kilos> then you should share our snow and frost
[17:06] <Kilos> grumbles
[17:06] <Kilos> uh
[17:06] <Kilos> gremble
[17:06] <Kilos> the bot be fixed
[17:07] <Kilos> mr fixit wins again
[17:12] <elacheche> :)
[17:13] <gremble> It's fixed or has it just been cauterised?
[17:14] <Kilos> fixed
[17:14] <gremble> Nice
[17:14] <Kilos> http://bin.snyman.info/9juv6
[17:15] <Kilos> my pro is very clever
[17:15] <Kilos> just acts dumb at times
[18:11]  * hibana calling it a day
[18:11] <hibana> good night everyone
[18:11] <Kilos> night hibana  
[18:11] <Kilos> ty for the help
[18:15] <captine_ghost> evening all
[18:15] <Kilos> hi captine_ghost  
[18:16] <captine_ghost> need some help.  trying irssi out on a digitalocean droplet, however, whenever i connect and use screen to run it, my keyboard strokes are duplicated etc
[18:16] <captine_ghost> anyone had this.
[18:16] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:16] <captine_ghost> PS Kilos how do i kick myself off when i cannot properly disconnect?  do I need to wait for a timeout on captine to be able to use it again
[18:17] <Kilos> there is a ghost command
[18:17] <Kilos> i used to know it
[18:18] <Kilos> Maaz  googleghost command for freenode
[18:18] <Maaz> Kilos: Huh?
[18:18] <Kilos> ai!
[18:18] <Kilos> Maaz  google ghost command for freenode
[18:18] <captine> dont strees'
[18:18] <captine> stress
[18:18] <Maaz> Kilos: "NickServ Is Your Friend | staffblog - Freenode" https://blog.freenode.net/2007/03/nickserv-is-your-friend/ :: "FAQs - Freenode" https://freenode.net/faq.shtml :: "irc - Kill ghost on connect to freenode in xchat? - Super User" http://superuser.com/questions/90626/kill-ghost-on-connect-to-freenode-in-xchat :: "toxin: Freenode NickServ Commands"
[18:18] <Maaz> https://toxin.jottit.com/freenode_nickserv_commands :: "NickServ Options - DALnet Documentation Projec…
[18:21] <Kilos> tumbleweed  inetpro  fixed ibid see http://bin.snyman.info/9juv6
[18:21] <captine> very weird
[18:22] <captine> check the text i typed in irssi
[18:22] <Kilos> yeah easier to wait for the timeout and change nicks
[18:22] <captine> [(status)] //jj^^^?^?hheellpp  ii  aamm  sseeeeiinngg  ddoouubbllee
[18:22] <Kilos> lol
[18:22] <Kilos> you got the shakes
[18:22] <captine> first i thought it was putty on my windows work machine... but getting the same thing on ubuntu 14.04
[18:23] <inetpro> Kilos: stop bragging about it
[18:23] <captine> looks that way
[18:23] <inetpro> there was nothing to fix
[18:23] <Kilos> inetpro  nope
[18:23] <Kilos> bragging about my team is my job
[18:23] <Kilos> add it to your wiki page
[18:23] <inetpro> it's all in the documentation
[18:24] <Kilos> yeah well we cant all rtfs
[18:24] <inetpro> just needed to do some RTFD
[18:24] <inetpro> :-)
[18:25] <Kilos> the weed will be happy and appoint you as chief maintainer
[18:25] <inetpro> nope
[18:25] <Kilos> hehe
[18:27] <Kilos> inetpro  you pay attention to details others miss
[18:36] <Kilos> Squirm  go see QA is back on my channel
[18:36] <Kilos> so you dont need to hide anymore
[18:48] <Squirm> Ok
[18:48] <Squirm> Evening all
[18:48] <Squirm> and Kilos, I'm not hiding
[18:48] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[18:48] <Kilos> lol
[18:48] <Kilos> teasing man
[18:48] <Kilos> you left the channel with the bot
[18:53] <Jacques_StrY> Maaz: I am Jacques Strydom
[18:53] <Maaz> Jacques_StrY: *blink*
[18:53] <Jacques_StrY> ...
[18:53] <Jacques_StrY> lol
[18:53] <inetpro> wb Jacques_StrY
[18:53] <Kilos> hi Jacques_StrY  wb
[18:53] <Jacques_StrY> Got the date wrong
[18:53] <inetpro> meeting is tomorrow :-)
[18:53] <Jacques_StrY> Hey everyone
[18:54] <inetpro> Jacques_StrY: how are you doing?
[18:54] <Jacques_StrY> Sorry for the mia, was away - just arrived home
[18:54] <Kilos> oh Jacques_StrY  william left some info in the lists hey
[18:54] <Jacques_StrY> Fine thanks and you inetpro 
[18:54] <inetpro> all good thank you
[18:54] <Jacques_StrY> Thanks Kilos, I'll run through my mail quickly
[18:55] <Kilos> no serious rush i think
[18:56] <Kilos> metinks i must go sleep. head starting to thump
[18:56] <Kilos> inetpro  worked me too hard today
[18:56] <Jacques_StrY> haha ai!
[18:56] <inetpro> huh?
[18:57]  * inetpro not feeling guilty
[18:57] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:58] <inetpro> oom Kilos, you are the weakest link, good night!
[18:58] <Kilos> ai!
[18:58] <Kilos> i will stay here
[18:58] <Kilos> grrr
[18:58] <inetpro> :-)
[18:59] <Kilos> peeps take advantage of my good nature
[18:59] <Jacques_StrY> Last mail list mail is 6 days ago correct?
[19:00] <Kilos> 24/04/2015
[19:00] <Kilos> from william
[19:00] <inetpro> Kilos: to you?
[19:00] <Kilos> or was that straight to me
[19:01] <Jacques_StrY> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-za/2015-April/thread.html
[19:01] <Jacques_StrY> Last message date: Tue Apr 21 21:05:45 UTC 2015
[19:01] <Kilos> Are they installing Booktype in ec2, If so, please ask them to document what they did
[19:01] <Kilos> Did you see the Booktype intro video I posted
[19:01] <Kilos> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_idpAV8YcQ&feature=youtu.be
[19:02] <Kilos> i dunno, tb isnt as easy to see where mails come from
[19:02] <Jacques_StrY> Definitely, the guide provided by booktype refers to sources that don't work yet
[19:02] <Kilos> i thought that was a thread in the list
[19:03] <Jacques_StrY> i should check if i can get it working on ec2 tonight
[19:03] <Kilos> he will be very happy, you guys are the first ones helping him
[19:03] <Kilos> others just gave advice in the lit=sts
[19:04] <Kilos> lists
[19:09] <Jacques_StrY> Well it is easier to give advise - always :)
[19:10] <Kilos> lol
[19:11] <captine> night all
[19:12] <inetpro> oom Kilos jy mag maar gaan slaap
[19:12] <Kilos> Jacques_StrY  didnt you even see my meeting reminder in the mail?
[19:13] <Kilos> dankie in, trek warm aan moreoggend ne
[19:13]  * Jacques_StrY - inetpro starting to feel guilty
[19:13] <Kilos> lol
[19:13] <Jacques_StrY> I muted my mails while I was gone :)
[19:14] <Squirm> gnight all
[19:14] <Jacques_StrY> Night
[19:14] <inetpro> Kilos: what meeting reminder?
[19:14] <Kilos> ja but now im bang my meeting reminder didnt get there
[19:14] <Kilos> night Squirm  
[19:14] <Kilos> ai!
[19:15] <Kilos> inetpro  i mailed an early warnig=ng this avy
[19:15] <Jacques_StrY> Well I don't see one - all i see is the google+ reminder
[19:15] <inetpro> Kilos: you sent that to ubuntu news 
[19:15] <Kilos> oh my goodness
[19:16] <Kilos> now to find sent in tb
[19:17] <Kilos> inetpro  where do you find sent mails in tb please
[19:18] <inetpro> Kilos: do you have a folder called gmail?
[19:19] <inetpro> with a little triangle to the left of it
[19:19] <Kilos> in tb?
[19:19] <inetpro> no on your chair
[19:19]  * Kilos looks
[19:20] <inetpro> oops... yes man, in Thunderbird of course :-)
[19:21] <Kilos> found it i was sitting on it
[19:21] <Kilos> ty for that
[19:21] <Kilos> see if you see it now
[19:21] <inetpro> ai!
[19:22] <Kilos> what? wrong [lace again?
[19:23] <Kilos> eish man this tb is corrupt
[19:23] <inetpro> no
[19:23] <Kilos> last try then i go back to evo
[19:25] <Kilos> eish they went to cummunity council too
[19:25] <inetpro> lol
[19:26] <inetpro> and it's from msdomdonner AT gmail.com as well
[19:26] <inetpro> not from ubuntu.com
[19:26] <Kilos> ya i gave up. you gotta tick to see the others everytime
[19:27] <Kilos> havent found a way to make it default
[19:27] <Kilos> so now ill just stay as mae
[19:28] <Kilos> me
[19:28] <Kilos> airs and flairs are too heavy to carry
[19:29] <Kilos> i need to find someone to post on fb about the africa channel
[19:29] <Kilos> you sit and laugh
[19:30] <Kilos> ai! who needs enemies
[19:30] <inetpro> Kilos: it's all in your mind
[19:30] <Kilos> haha
[19:31] <Kilos> i suppose i sent the hangouts message to nuvo to my ex as well
[19:31] <Kilos> inetpro  do you see the early warning email yet
[19:32] <inetpro> yes it's there now man
[19:32] <Kilos> and i did the tweet thing
[19:32]  * inetpro noticed
[19:32] <inetpro> thanks
[19:32] <Kilos> yw
[19:33] <Kilos> i have to use 2 different browser so the tweet things dont get mixed up
[19:46] <Jacques_StrY> Couldn't connect for a while???
[19:47] <Jacques_StrY> sigh this ec2's security is too high
[19:47] <Kilos> ai!
[19:47] <Jacques_StrY> have to use key pairs to log in via ssh
[19:48] <Jacques_StrY> and now I have successfully setup Booktype - or i think - but can't access from public
[19:48] <Jacques_StrY> not even a ping
[19:48] <Jacques_StrY> so probably being blocked
[19:48] <Kilos> oh my
[19:48] <Kilos> but you can ssh in
[19:48] <Jacques_StrY> Yes
[19:49] <Kilos> so we need to think about either running it that way and then downloading everything to be able to share
[19:49] <Kilos> or as ec2 to allow us to make it public
[19:50] <Kilos> ask
[19:50] <Jacques_StrY> Will quickly do a few checks
[19:50] <Jacques_StrY> public access probably blocked by default
[19:50] <Kilos> ah maybe you can change it in settings
[19:53] <Kilos> we can always ask the pro to fixit
[19:54] <Jacques_StrY> nah - I believing in struggling yourself and only ask when you have tried all
[19:54] <Jacques_StrY> else I never remember and do the same mistakes again
[19:54] <Kilos> ya thats what i mean
[19:55] <Kilos> he reads the fineprint we all miss
[20:02] <Jacques_StrY> IT IS WORKING!
[20:02] <Kilos> booktype?
[20:02] <Jacques_StrY> Had to update security policies in ec2 dashboard, very user friendly
[20:03] <Jacques_StrY> Yes booktype and public access
[20:03] <Kilos> wonderful news Jacques_StrY  well done
[20:03] <Jacques_StrY> http://54.213.229.90/
[20:03] <Kilos> document everything please
[20:03] <Kilos> william will be very happy
[20:04] <Kilos> oh wow well done man
[20:04] <Jacques_StrY> So I should probably make a proper install guide now
[20:04] <Kilos> now we just need to find some teachers that are willing to get involved
[20:05] <Kilos> i dont know if they are gonna copy paste books or what
[20:05] <Jacques_StrY> we should get a proper domain name for it as well
[20:05] <Kilos> oh my
[20:06] <Kilos> domain names cost man
[20:07] <Kilos> hi smile  
[20:08] <smile> Hi :)
[20:09] <smile> Hi kilos my friend
[20:09] <Kilos> hows my smile  ?
[20:10] <smile> It depends what part of me :)
[20:10] <Kilos> your head
[20:10] <Kilos> and your hands and feet
[20:11] <Kilos> everything between them you mess up at your own risk
[20:12] <smile> I am feeling fine, but headaches even make the best day worse. My eye hurts too. My energy is gone for today and I achieved little while working for school. However, I have good friends :)
[20:12] <Kilos> lol
[20:12] <Kilos> whats wrong with your eye
[20:12] <smile> The night was terrible. :-(
[20:13] <Kilos> bad night for one eye?
[20:13] <smile> Well my eye got tiny wood points in it
[20:13] <Kilos> ouch
[20:13] <Kilos> been there done that
[20:13] <smile> No, bad night for sleep and my headache
[20:14] <Kilos> eye injuries are very painfull
[20:14] <smile> Parts as a result of making two parts of one part
[20:14] <Kilos> what were you doing
[20:15] <Kilos> when you work with anything that can splinter you must wear saftey goggles
[20:16] <Kilos> safety
[20:16] <Jacques_StrY> Kilos: I'll sponsor the domain name if it comes to it - can't expect people to type aosdufsodfjs.sdlajsdkflsd.sdfsfd19616162641.com each time they want to visit :)
[20:16] <Jacques_StrY> Hi smile 
[20:17] <Kilos> whew
[20:17] <smile> I was helping my dad with a 2.5 meter by 1.5 wood plate :) he was cutting (wrong word) a part of the wood so it could be transported in our car
[20:17] <Kilos> circular saw
[20:18] <Jacques_StrY> joking but the name at the moment is http://ec2-54-213-229-90.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com/
[20:19] <inetpro> Jacques_StrY: haha, and when you shut down and restart the name is even different
[20:19] <Kilos> lets hear what williams plan is first
[20:19] <inetpro> or not?
[20:19] <smile> Not circular ;-) by hand, Kilos
[20:19] <Kilos> inetpro  advice?
[20:19] <Jacques_StrY> Luckily not - but still
[20:19] <inetpro> Jacques_StrY: well, if you keep it shut down for a few hours you get a new IP address
[20:20] <Kilos> im trying to imagine how hand sawing a plank by hand can cause splinters
[20:20] <Jacques_StrY> inetpro :-O
[20:21] <inetpro> Jacques_StrY: at least that is what happened to mine
[20:21] <Kilos> smile  you can get drops from chemist i think called novacaine that numbs it so you can sleep
[20:22] <smile> It was a very thick plate, made of good quality compressed wood :) so those things can get nasty small 
[20:22] <Jacques_StrY> inetpro: My OVH IP has stayed the same for 3 years luckily
[20:22] <Jacques_StrY> Maybe Amazon has different policies then
[20:22] <smile> I can sleep my headache hurts enough to forget my eye
[20:22] <smile> :)
[20:22] <inetpro> ahh, I still have the free instance
[20:23] <Jacques_StrY> pretty handy to mess around with
[20:24] <inetpro> smile: au!
[20:25] <inetpro> Jacques_StrY: very handy yes
[20:26] <inetpro> Jacques_StrY: how much do you pay per month if I may ask?
[20:26] <smile> But in my mind I am happy! :) so it doesnt matter what I am going through
[20:27] <Kilos> eye injuries heak quite fast smile
[20:27] <Kilos> 3 days to a week i think
[20:28] <smile> Thats the good news :)
[20:29] <Kilos> yeah as long as it can still see you are fine
[20:29] <Kilos> and will be more careful next time
[20:30] <Kilos> melodie  hiya
[20:30] <melodie> hello Kilos ^^
[20:30] <melodie> how are you?
[20:30] <smile> Yeah :) 
[20:30] <Jacques_StrY> ec2 or ovh?
[20:30] <kulelu88> anybody using Go here? superfly ?
[20:32] <smile> My father is building a temporary construction to paint the high wall of the stairs :)
[20:33] <Kilos> just be carefull smile
[20:33] <Kilos> make sure everything is well supported
[20:34] <melodie> salut smile !
[20:34] <Jacques_StrY> inetpro: ec2 on free at the moment - R235 per month for the dedicated ovh
[20:34] <melodie> hello Jacques_StrY 
[20:34] <Jacques_StrY> Hey melodie 
[20:34] <smile> Bonsoir madame
[20:34] <inetpro> Jacques_StrY: what is ovh?
[20:35] <smile> My father is very good at constructions. He is smart enough to make it very well supported :)
[20:37] <Jacques_StrY> inetpro: A company that does very affordable dedicated server hosting - http://www.kimsufi.com/en/
[20:37] <Jacques_StrY> Currently have the ks-3 option
[20:37] <melodie> smile bonsoir Monsieur
[20:38] <inetpro> Jacques_StrY: nice!
[20:38] <melodie> smile if your father is good at construction maybe could we do business?
[20:38] <smile> He is very small scale :)
[20:39] <melodie> so am I :D
[20:39]  * inetpro calls it a day
[20:39] <inetpro> good night everyone
[20:40] <Jacques_StrY> inetpro: Their VPS is cheaper then EC2 as well so would suggest that when the ec2 free period expires to move over
[20:40] <smile> What are you trying to make? :)
[20:40] <kulelu88> that is darn cheap
[20:40] <kulelu88> but atom servers??
[20:40] <Jacques_StrY> night inetpro
[20:40] <melodie> smile are you talking to me?
[20:41] <Kilos> night inetpro  sleep tight and ty
[20:41] <Jacques_StrY> kulelu88: Currently have the i5 but had the atom, worked fine fore small websites and file servers
[20:41] <melodie> gn Kilos !
[20:42] <kulelu88> how small? Jacques_StrY 
[20:42] <Kilos> nm melodie  im still here pro gone
[20:42] <melodie> nm pas compris not understood
[20:43] <Jacques_StrY> kulelu88: any static pages ran fine - wordpress sites want a bit more
[20:43] <Kilos> never mind
[20:43] <kulelu88> wordpress? darn, not enough power then
[20:43] <Kilos> but i meant to say no man 
[20:43] <Kilos> but you not a man so my head froze
[20:44] <melodie> aha
[20:44] <melodie> ok
[20:44] <Kilos> lol
[20:44] <Kilos> :D
[20:44] <Jacques_StrY> kulelu88: it works but not as snappy as I want it - rather go for vps if don't mind less storage
[20:44] <kulelu88> true, i'm thinking of going for a good compiled language to conserve resources
[20:45] <Jacques_StrY> kulelu88: $2.99 a month for a vps isn't much
[20:45] <kulelu88> Jacques_StrY: I don't use those kind VPSes
[20:46] <Kilos> Jacques_StrY  will you and william sort out what still must be done please?
[20:46] <kulelu88> The little more expensive 1s are better at 7-10 dollars
[20:46] <Kilos> my kop sukkel om by te bly met al die goed
[20:46] <Jacques_StrY> kulelu88: Yea, like how vps scale easily
[20:47] <melodie> Kilos in this case, you can use it right away: http://pastebin.fr/39415
[20:47] <Jacques_StrY> Kilos: I'll pop him a mail tomorrow morning - think he will be glad
[20:47] <melodie> or just before going to sleep if you have a better price on the dowload cost
[20:48] <kulelu88> Hopefully this decision isn't bad
[20:50] <Kilos> yeah Jacques_StrY  he will
[20:51] <Kilos> melodie  i can hopefully wake up early and do the installs before 7 then its classed as nighttime data not my 2g 
[20:52] <Kilos> i have copied everything to file here
[20:54] <superfly> kulelu88: negatory
[20:54] <melodie> Kilos keep the second one only
[20:54] <melodie> there is a full "apt-get install" line with the package names 
[20:55] <Kilos> is the first one wrong melodie  i see there is more in it
[20:55] <Kilos> i will use aptitude and give you the results
[20:55] <kulelu88> superfly: the performance is apparently greatly superior to all the dynamic langs and it isn't a shitstorm to code in, compared to C
[20:55] <melodie> it's not wrong, just less handy
[20:55] <melodie> Kilos "sudo apt-get"
[20:55] <melodie> no aptitude
[20:55] <Kilos> i will save both
[20:56] <Kilos> superfly  tell her about aptitude
[20:56] <melodie> Kilos the second one is just formatted so you have to do just a copy/paste
[20:56] <Kilos> aptitude is a good tool
[20:56] <melodie> except the second part which is commented
[20:56] <melodie> Kilos yes and no, it's a confusing tool
[20:56] <Kilos> oh ok
[20:56] <superfly> aptitude was great, until it couldn't handle multiarch
[20:56] <Kilos> its a wonderful tool melodie  you must learn to use it
[20:57] <Kilos> im doing 32bit so should be fine
[20:58] <Kilos> melodie  ok ill use aot-get if it makes you happy
[20:58] <Kilos> apt-get
[20:59] <melodie> Kilos I bet you will
[20:59] <melodie> $ LANG=C ls -l /usr/bin/aptitude
[20:59] <melodie> ls: cannot access /usr/bin/aptitude: No such file or directory
[20:59] <Kilos> haha
[20:59] <melodie> :D
[20:59] <Kilos> i have already installed pidgin with aptitude
[20:59] <Kilos> but np
[21:00] <melodie> lol!
[21:00] <Kilos> apt-get install aptitude
[21:00] <melodie> it could be that nowadays it's the same
[21:00] <Kilos> hehe
[21:01] <Kilos> the fly says it cant handle multiarch but that 64bit and 32bit we only using 32bit
[21:01] <Kilos> well me anyway on old pc
[21:02] <melodie> you are talking weird, d'you know?
[21:02] <melodie> but never mind
[21:02] <Kilos> again?
[21:02] <Kilos> lol
[21:02] <melodie> the fly says
[21:02] <melodie> flies don't talk afaik
[21:02] <Kilos> oh we call superfly  the fly
[21:02] <melodie> XD
[21:02] <Kilos> :D
[21:03] <melodie> what is it that can't handle multiarch?
[21:03] <Kilos> multiarch is when 64bit needs to use some 32bit packages i think
[21:03] <melodie> possibly
[21:04] <melodie> I take the train tomorrow morning, early, so I will leave now
[21:04] <Kilos> ok ty for the help, sleep tight
[21:04] <Kilos> and go safe
[21:05] <melodie> :-)
[21:05] <melodie> thanks
[21:05] <melodie> take care!
[21:05] <Kilos> always
[21:05] <melodie> :)
[21:05] <Kilos> :D
[21:07] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[21:25] <Jacques_StrY> Night all
[21:32] <smile> Slaapwel :)