[00:34] <holstein> OvenWerks: i agree about the menu structure.. and getting lost
[00:36] <holstein> for me, i think the question is, what can be consistent across the DE's, or most of them, with the least about of preperation per DE
[00:36] <holstein> one place someone can do the setup, and it'll just apply
[00:37] <holstein> there may be no such indicator or whatever..
[00:43] <OvenWerks> holstein: yes that is the question. The main menu is no longer consistant across DEs, what do we replace it with? Or how do we fit with what they do, with their theme of things.
[00:44] <holstein> OvenWerks: do you think the "dust will settle" so to speak, soon? and things will be more consitent?
[00:44] <holstein> seems like, that would be a goal
[00:45] <OvenWerks> I don't see unity/kde/gnome ever being "the same"
[00:46] <OvenWerks> I don't see lubuntu going away from the menu
[00:46] <holstein> lxqt seems menu like
[00:47] <OvenWerks> I think for me it will be installing them all and looking for common ground
[00:47] <OvenWerks> lxqt is lxde next and yes I think so.
[00:47] <holstein> you think, in vm is enough?
[00:48] <OvenWerks> I have 5 or 6 partitions of 20 meg or so each.
[00:48] <OvenWerks> I have never been happy with VMs
[00:49] <OvenWerks> maybe I am just old :)  (double nickle next month)
[00:50] <holstein> :)
[00:50] <OvenWerks> Anyway I can carve off a few more partitions if I need to.
[00:51] <holstein> i think i'll try VMs.. for space
[00:52] <holstein> though, i dont care for them either.. and, 3d can be odd in them.. which needs to be tested
[00:57] <OvenWerks> xfce-panel is a separate application. I have run it in unity before under the unity panel. I have also used it as first app with ssh -Y to give me a menu.
[00:58] <holstein> handy
[00:58] <holstein> its not heavy, either.. 
[00:58] <holstein> xfce panel is pretty snappy
[00:58] <OvenWerks> it seems to me I did have some trouble with unity can't remember what now.
[00:58] <holstein> 3d?
[00:58] <OvenWerks> I did not take time to work it out.
[00:59] <OvenWerks> I think it got hidden easy
[01:00] <OvenWerks> This would be about a year and a half ago. Life has made ubuntustudio back burner for a bit.
[01:04] <OvenWerks> My netbook is starting to fail. I can't see the boot screen (boot blindly) and the display is going blinky. I have not yet replaced the drive where I was doing my dev work because I am not sure it is worth it. But it meant I could keep my wife company and do dev work at the same time. With the android I can be on line (like now) but not develop.
[01:05]  * OvenWerks should go cook a chicken.
[01:37] <holstein> yeah, i still have that going on a bit
[01:37] <holstein> im going to be finished with this house soon, though, and we'll see what i have time for
[01:38] <OvenWerks> Sounds good.
[01:38] <holstein> well, theres always something.. but, i want to thin it back out a bit
[01:38] <holstein> i cant be running around like i am
[01:39] <holstein> its been nice this week being on tour, with the days open, and being away from home and chores
[01:40]  * OvenWerks has about 6 mo of "work" left.
[01:41] <holstein> is that good?
[01:42] <OvenWerks> I am hoping so, My body has had enough of this work. I walk 10 to 15 miles a day with weight at speed.
[01:42] <holstein> yeah, thats tough work
[01:42] <holstein> you building things?
[01:42] <OvenWerks> It is a big part of why I stopped using the RIC as a bass
[01:43] <OvenWerks> I delever mail on foot.
[01:43] <holstein> ah.. thats rough, too
[01:43] <holstein> 6 months til you retire?
[01:43] <holstein> you are not old enough to retire..
[01:44] <holstein> though, i would like an early retirement
[01:44] <OvenWerks> about that yeah. it will give 30 years I'll get about 60% per mo what I get now.
[01:44] <holstein> OvenWerks: thats great!
[01:44] <holstein> and, 100% more free time.. 
[01:44] <holstein> sounds like a good deal
[01:45] <OvenWerks> My Yf is just starting her career as a nurse so I will take care of kids and house.
[01:45] <holstein> well, that aint easy, but its good
[01:45] <OvenWerks> The house might actually get taken care of with one of us off.
[01:46] <holstein> i hear that
[01:46] <holstein> its a lot of work to just keep things straight there
[01:46] <OvenWerks> yup.
[01:46] <holstein> alright.. im out.. i gotta drive 10 hours tomorrow and play a show
[01:46] <holstein> cheers!
[01:50] <OvenWerks> holstein: later
[01:53] <DalekSec> Sounds like "fun"
[01:53] <DalekSec> holstein: Live stream it! ;)
[16:37] <zequence> OvenWerks: Ok, so you're going to become a full time Studio developer then? :P
[18:31] <cub> Good evening (at least here in CEST)
[18:31] <cub> Anyone tried LIghtworks for video editing?
[18:52] <cub> Wow, things happened with kdenlive while I was gone
[18:52] <cub> not so great stuff for US though
[19:57] <DalekSec> Howdy, cub.
[20:45] <cub> &quit
[21:16] <OvenWerks> zequence: fuller than the last few cycles :)