[01:05] <Unit193> gnumeric 1.12.22-1 uploaded, debian #782137
[02:21] <OvenWerks> Unit193: xubuntu-core which icon themes does it include? It seems to not include xubuntu-icon-theme... or at least when I try to install a package that has xubuntu-icon-theme as it's only depends it seems to pull in more stuff.
[02:22] <OvenWerks> Maybe I'm missing something.
[02:22] <Unit193> adwaita-icon-theme, gnome-icon-theme, gnome-icon-theme-symbolic, hicolor-icon-theme, humanity-icon-theme, xubuntu-icon-theme
[02:22] <Unit193> OvenWerks: What recommends?
[02:22] <OvenWerks> none
[02:23] <OvenWerks> ${misc:Depends} what would that grab?
[02:23] <Unit193> Depends.
[02:23] <Unit193> apt-cache show $pkg
[02:23] <OvenWerks> :)
[02:24] <OvenWerks> Depends: xubuntu-icon-theme
[02:25] <Unit193> What package?
[02:25] <OvenWerks> ubuntustudio-icon-theme
[02:25] <OvenWerks> We add about three or four icons on top of elementary-xfce-dark
[02:26] <Unit193> So, apt-cache policy xubuntu-icon-theme ?
[02:28] <OvenWerks> I'm not on the right boot... so xubuntu-icon-theme:
[02:28] <OvenWerks>   Installed: 14.04.2
[02:28] <OvenWerks>   Candidate: 14.04.2
[02:28] <OvenWerks>   Version table:
[02:28] <OvenWerks>  *** 14.04.2 0
[02:28] <OvenWerks>         500 http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/universe amd64 Packages
[02:28] <OvenWerks>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[02:28] <OvenWerks> This is from 14.04, but the package I was looking at is the latest from bzr
[02:31] <OvenWerks> I'm going to reboot
[02:44] <OvenWerks> Unit193: Sorry, I was looking at the wrong package. It is our -look package that needs to be trimed.
[02:44] <Unit193> \o/
[02:46] <OvenWerks> Thats what comes from sleeping on things before acting. I have no idea why our look package drags extra icon themes in... and not our own.
[02:47] <Unit193> Depends: gtk2-engines-murrine, murrine-themes (>= 0.98.2), libnewt0.52 (>= 0.52.11-2ubuntu7); Recommends: plymouth-theme-ubuntustudio, ubuntustudio-wallpapers, elementary-icon-theme, ubuntustudio-sounds; Conflicts: ubuntustudio-artwork, ubuntustudio-theme
[02:48] <Unit193> You seem to have several packages all split apart.
[02:48] <OvenWerks> we don't use murrine either.
[02:48] <OvenWerks> or sounds
[02:49] <OvenWerks> Seems like time for some clean up
[02:49] <Unit193> Spring cleaning.
[02:54] <OvenWerks> I don't know why they are all split into bits. I think some of those are even all the same src.
[02:54]  * Unit193 shrugs.
[06:37] <ochosi> morning everyone
[06:38] <elfy> morning ochosi :)
[06:40] <elfy> so - xfpm, built that, shows when I tell it to, doesn't crash
[06:45] <ochosi> ok, so the plugin's icon also shows up?
[06:46] <elfy> if it's turned on yes 
[06:46] <elfy> systray icon I assume you mean
[06:46] <ochosi> no
[06:46] <ochosi> the panel plugin
[06:46] <ochosi> you have to manually add it to the panel if it isnt there yet
[06:47] <ochosi> aka step 8 ;)
[06:48] <elfy> mmm
[06:50] <elfy> no icon then
[06:50] <elfy> so the one I have sitting in notification area works, the one I just added to panel has no icon
[07:09] <ochosi> ok
[07:10] <ochosi> then you can reproduce the bug, so it's time for me to whip up some debugging code
[07:10] <ochosi> i'll ping you once it's ready, thanks for now elfy 
[07:10] <elfy> ochosi: okey doke 
[07:17] <ochosi> elfy: ok, just emailed you a patch with some instructions
[07:24] <elfy> I assume if I get no response from git apply patchname that it did it? 
[07:29] <ochosi> yup
[07:30] <elfy> ok - well all I am seeing in terminal after starting the panel is stuff about the weather api
[07:30] <ochosi> and the plugin is already added to the panel?
[07:30] <elfy> off to work now - catch up later
[07:30] <ochosi> okeydokey
[07:30] <elfy> yes - plugin is in panel
[07:30] <ochosi> weird
[07:31] <elfy> yup
[07:31] <ochosi> you should definitely be getting some output stating the icon name
[07:31] <ochosi> a warning, to be exact
[07:31] <elfy> that was what I expected 
[07:32] <ochosi> alright, i'll check in with you when you're back
[07:32] <elfy> yup
[07:33] <elfy> if I get time I'll get the Wibbly install sorted first and do the whole lot in a clean install too 
[07:33] <elfy> back later 
[10:46] <bluesabre> good morning everyone
[10:58] <ochosi> hey bluesabre 
[11:03] <bluesabre> hey ochosi
[11:03] <bluesabre> whats up?
[11:03] <ochosi> oh, working working working :)
[11:03] <ochosi> you?
[11:05] <bluesabre> not much atm, just waking up
[11:05] <ochosi> :)
[11:05] <ochosi> i saw i missed out on some greeter fun over the weekend
[11:06] <bluesabre> yeah, need to make sure the PPA is up to date and get some testing
[11:07] <bluesabre> will probably get that rolling, and the xfpm-gtk3 ppa tonight
[11:08] <ochosi> actually you can skip the latter part
[11:08] <ochosi> elfy already reproduced the bug and i sent him a potential bugfix a few hrs ago
[11:08] <ochosi> so we'll see how that goes
[11:09] <bluesabre> cool
[11:09] <ochosi> if it goes well, i'll ask the OP to reproduce as well and then i'll release 1.5.0
[11:09] <bluesabre> awesome
[11:09] <ochosi> so we can get proper testing with a proper release
[11:09] <bluesabre> very nice work
[11:09] <ochosi> and then i can sneak in my small improvements for the panel plugin finally :)
[11:09] <bluesabre> :)
[11:10] <ochosi> already have ideas for 15.10?
[11:10] <bluesabre> I've been updating my site and getting motivated to start coding and blogging again
[11:11] <bluesabre> will probably work on fixing bugs in each of my apps and doing minor releases before getting into the bigger stuff
[11:12] <bluesabre> also need to look at the lxpanel plugin
[11:12] <bluesabre> for xfpm
[11:12] <ochosi> righty, there was a (very reasonable) request to make ctrl+q close catfish's window
[11:12] <bluesabre> yup
[11:13] <ochosi> i'm also in favor of porting catfish to CSD ;)
[11:14] <bluesabre> i might experiment with that and push out an experimental branch
[11:28] <ochosi> bluesabre: we could start testing the pulseaudio panel plugin as a replacement for indicator-sound+xfce4-volumed
[11:29] <ochosi> the only thing missing from it are the mpris playback controls, all other features (multimedia-keys, notifications, link to open pavucontrol) are there
[11:34] <elfy> ochosi: got new patch, applied that, no change
[11:34] <ochosi> that is just weird
[11:35] <ochosi> hm, but thanks for testing
[11:35] <elfy> yea - but who know's what's going on with this install - when I am home properly I'll do a clean install and try there 
[11:41] <ochosi> sent you another patch
[11:41] <ochosi> lemme know how that one goes
[11:41]  * ochosi needs a coffee
[11:43] <elfy> http://pastebin.com/mryJ0sBP
[11:45] <elfy> nothing about the plugin icon though
[11:56] <bluesabre> ochosi: that sounds like a good idea, let's look into tha
[11:56] <bluesabre> t
[11:56] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[11:56] <ochosi> elfy: right, try with "PANEL_DEBUG=1 xfce4-panel"
[11:56] <ochosi> bluesabre: hf!
[11:57] <elfy> http://pastebin.com/nqMxQCq6
[11:57] <elfy> running now - back later :)
[12:02] <bluesabre> ochosi: want to start dumping ideas on here and we can weed through them later? https://trello.com/b/s6rhU84c/xubuntu-projects
[12:03] <bluesabre> and anybody else, :)
[12:05] <bluesabre> also, haven't reviewed and cleaned up the trello in a little while, so mind the mess ;)
[12:19] <bluesabre> Now I'm running on mobile, probably the development board would make more sense ;)
[12:54] <ochosi> elfy: there's some piece i'm missing, for some reason you're not getting the debug output
[13:05] <ali1234> the default xfce theme in manjaro is *really* nice
[13:06] <ali1234> and it works on gtk 3.16, so i might switch to that instead of orion
[13:06] <ali1234> which means i won't be maintaining orion (if you hadn't guessed)
[13:07] <ochosi> what theme are they using in manjaro?
[13:07] <ali1234> one they made i guess
[13:07] <ochosi> alright, i'll google it myself
[13:07] <ali1234> https://github.com/manjaro/artwork-menda
[13:08] <ali1234> based on this http://horst3180.deviantart.com/art/Vertex-Theme-470663601
[13:23] <ochosi> ali1234: yeah, too pixmapy for my taste, that just slows things down. either way, good you found something that works for you (indicator support for xfce is not really premium though with that theme)
[13:36] <ochosi> also, frickin nouveau drivers make my system very unstable. very not cool.
[14:08] <elfy> ochosi: back, I have removed the git one, reinstalled the repo one, then done all the git stuff once more just to check - no difference
[14:52] <ochosi> elfy: thanks
[14:52] <ochosi> i guess something isn't built with debug support
[14:53] <ochosi> when you initially compile xfpm with "./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr" there's a summary at the end, what does it say about debugging?
[14:55] <elfy> Debug: minimum
[15:09] <ochosi> right, maybe try to rebuild with "./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr --enable-debug=yes"
[15:10] <jjfrv8> ochosi, what are the symptoms you're seeing with the nouveau drivers?
[15:10] <elfy> baldness as he pulls his hair out ... 
[15:11] <drc> Nah, that comes from dealing with the QA Lead :)
[15:13] <elfy> ochosi: well Debug: yes but the output in terminal seems to be the same to me 
[15:18] <jjfrv8> biab
[16:20] <ochosi> jjfrv8: spontaneous reboots and kernel panics
[16:20] <ochosi> elfy: hmmm
[16:21] <elfy> snap - that was my reaction too
[16:22] <ochosi> mind to paste the output of "upower -d"?
[16:22] <elfy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10913127/
[16:25] <ochosi> that's all?
[16:25] <ochosi> ok, wow, that's pretty little
[16:25] <ochosi> but good to know
[16:33] <elfy> expecting loads? 
[16:39] <ochosi> yeah, well, more than that at least
[16:39] <ochosi> anyway, gotta run
[16:39] <ochosi> bbl
[18:09] <lderan> right then, now i have some some form of "back"ness, is there anything pressing i can help with?
[18:12] <elfy> hi lderan 
[18:12] <lderan> hi elfy :)
[18:13] <elfy> welcome back ish :p
[18:13] <lderan> well should be back properly now, should of really been last week but alas not according the universe :P
[18:13] <elfy> such is the way of it ;)
[18:15] <lderan> aye :P
[18:34] <elfy> lderan: I'd guess that ochosi and bluesabre would be the ones in the know :)
[18:34] <lderan> aye will have to poke them :)
[22:50] <bluesabre> lderan: may have something fun for you shortly
[22:50] <lderan> oo
[22:51] <bluesabre> :)
[22:52] <bluesabre> what are you interested in currently? code, docs, testing?
[23:10] <Unit193> bluesabre: Are you going to try and get xfdashy and -pulseaudio in Debian?
[23:42] <bluesabre> yeah, I think that should be a realistic goal now
[23:43] <bluesabre> particularly if we are starting to evaluate -pulsey for xuby
[23:47] <Unit193> Have fun! :---D