[00:03] <StevenPatz> has anyone run into a Utopic to Vivid upgrade that munged up screen resolutions?
[00:03] <StevenPatz> Actually probably more than that as I can't even get a second screen to display
[00:37] <Roey> arrrrrrrright
[00:37] <Roey> hi all o/
[00:37] <Roey> lordievader:  hi
[00:37] <Roey> I got a question... on the livedvd, what is the username / password combination that it is seeking?
[00:51] <JMichaelX> so, anyone else unable to get desktop effects working in 15.04, using onboard intel (i915) graphics, under OpenGL?
[00:52] <JMichaelX> i am able to get some desktop effects working, using XRender, but nothing using OpenGL
[00:56] <Roey> anyone here?
[01:04] <JMichaelX> 'Using Processor microcode firmware for Intel CPUs from intel-microcode' <--- does this have any relevance to intel graphics?
[01:19] <Roey> hey FortMax
[01:19] <Roey> you know Kubuntu any?
[01:20] <Roey> and prth
[01:41] <Roey> hi.  What is the username/password for the Kubuntu 15.04 LiveDVD ?
[01:41] <Roey> thanks
[01:41] <Roey> ^_^
[01:41] <Unit193> kubuntu/kubuntu
[01:42] <Roey> not letting me
[01:42] <Roey> ooorgh!...hmm.
[01:42] <Roey> btw my mainproblem
[01:43] <Roey> is that I upgraded to 15.04
[01:43] <Roey> but when I rebooted,
[01:43] <Roey> BTRFS choked on something and segfaulted
[01:43] <Roey> I think it may have been trying to mount the disk, I don't know
[01:43] <Roey> it's an SSD
[01:44] <Etriaph> I think SSD's are just treated as SATA, it's software related.
[02:52] <DANtheBEASTman> does anybody know the appropriate way to install plasma 5 on 14.04? I see a couple ppas but not sure which to use, I see ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next and next-backports
[03:26] <Zerkalerka> Hey guys, where to setup my own shortcut to open a new Konsole window for example?  Use to know where, can't seem to find it now.
[03:39] <Zerkalerka> very strange, I set it up once before and I can't find it again.. I made meta+t open a new konsole window and now I can't seem to do it again lol
[03:47] <crdpink> Zerkalerka: Shortcuts and Gestures...Custom Shortcuts...right click in there and Add
[03:55] <Zerkalerka> crdpink: TY, for some reason I dont' remember doing those steps but must have.. lol ty
[03:56] <crdpink> Zerkalerka: np. remember you can type a filter in System Settings window to narrow down what you are after if you forget
[03:59] <Zerkalerka> crdpink: Perfect thanks for the tip. :)
[04:04] <crdpink> Zerkalerka: good luck
[04:06] <Zerkalerka> Think I found a bug
[04:08] <Zerkalerka> When I add my own custom shortcuts, they will get added under Global Keyboard Shortcuts - KDE Componenet: khotkeys, now lets say I delete my custom shortcut, it will stay under there but not be in affect it will just be visual.  So I just tested it out and right now I have two custom open Dolphin shortcuts when in reality only one is working and the other is just there empty.
[04:09] <Zerkalerka> ah I see you have to click File - Remove Compnents and it will clear out the unused ones to make it nice and tidy.
[04:09] <Zerkalerka> good to know.
[04:18] <Etriaph> DANtheBEASTman: You can install Project Neon on 14.04
[04:18] <Etriaph> DANtheBEASTman: 14.10 has a tech preview I believe, 15.04 is Plasma 5 desktop with KDE 4/5 hybrid for applications.
[05:36] <qortec> can anyone tell me where the org.kde.breeze window decorations theme is located?
[05:41] <qortec> I like the breeze theme overall but I would to make some minor changes to the overall theme if possable
[07:44] <irctc729> Hi, I would like to report a typo in the french translation inside Kubuntu's installer, where can I do that ?
[07:47] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:47] <lordievader> Roey: Hi
[08:04] <thelionroars> I'm having trouble with transferring my wallet to the new manager after upgrading from 14.10 to 15.04
[08:10] <yossarianuk> hi reading this -> http://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/825994-kubuntu-1504-plasma-53-review
[08:11] <yossarianuk> It suggests Plasma 5.3 will be included with 15.04 (in the main updates?) - is this right ?
[08:11] <lordievader> The beta is in the backports ppa now.
[08:13] <valorie> oh gosh, neon is never never never to be recommended
[08:13] <valorie> plasma 5 is vivid and after, period
[08:13] <yossarianuk> lordievader: sure - its just the way is phrased in that article suggests its coming to 15.04 at some point (I assume as part of normal updates)
[08:13] <valorie> no ppa-next
[08:14] <valorie> yossarianuk: probably in backports
[08:14] <valorie> don't forget it's in beta right now
[08:14] <yossarianuk> valorie: lordievader: cheers
[08:15] <yossarianuk> got to decide in the next couple of mins if I'm installing Kubuntu 15.04  or Debian 8 (KDE) on my work desktop.......
[08:15] <valorie> oh, I meant that the final would be in backports too "probably:
[08:15] <valorie> "
[08:15] <yossarianuk> 15.10 will have 5.3/5.4 then I assume.
[08:15] <valorie> depending on release dates, yes
[08:16] <valorie> 5.3 certainly
[08:16] <yossarianuk> running 15.04 happily @ home - just not 100% sure its ready for work.....
[08:16] <valorie> works for me
[08:16] <yossarianuk> anyone else migrated their main work machines to ity ?
[08:16] <valorie> but I don't do your job
[08:16] <yossarianuk> <<-- Sysadmin.
[08:16] <valorie> the developers all have, sure
[08:16] <valorie> :-)
[08:17] <yossarianuk> ok that all I needed!
[08:17] <lordievader> Developers != sysadmins.
[08:17] <valorie> right
[08:17] <valorie> I think it depends on what you need
[08:18] <lordievader> Indeed.
[08:18] <yossarianuk> one issue is lack of X2go support - but nothing preventing me installing LXDE as well to remote too....
[08:18] <yossarianuk> (i.e no x2go with plasma5 - yet)
[08:20] <Tromzy> hi
[08:21] <lordievader> o/
[08:22] <Tromzy> I would like to report a typo in Kubuntu's installer, for the french translation
[08:23] <valorie> Tromzy: file a bug please
[08:23] <Tromzy> where to plpease ?
[08:23] <Tromzy> please*
[08:23] <lordievader> !bug
[08:23] <yossarianuk> I do have one 'bug' that still exists in 15.04 final
[08:24] <yossarianuk> If I blank a drive (i.e parted mktable gpt) then install Kubuntu (manual partitions) if always doesn't boot - no UEFI entry
[08:24] <valorie> Tromzy: the easiest way to file is to type into konsole: ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[08:25] <valorie> and follow the instructions
[08:25] <yossarianuk> however if I then reinstall (in the partitions I created the previous time) it always works
[08:25] <yossarianuk> i.e I get the UEFI entry
[08:25] <valorie> I appreciate your attention to detail
[08:25] <Tromzy> Thanks but I'm not using kubuntu right now
[08:25] <yossarianuk> (which should be 'kubuntu' IMO to avoid conflicts with Ubuntu)
[08:25] <Tromzy> I'll try Launchpad
[08:25] <valorie> you can use that in any *buntu
[08:26] <Tromzy> I'm on Arch
[08:26] <Tromzy> right now
[08:26] <valorie> ubiquity is the installer packagename
[08:27] <valorie> yossarianuk: that sounds like a bug for sure
[08:27] <yossarianuk> not sure how to report my bug - as mentioned the 2nd install always works
[08:27] <yossarianuk> so the logs/etc will be lost from the 1st install.
[08:28] <lordievader> yossarianuk: Sounds like a bug in ubiquity.
[08:28] <valorie> so maybe write to kubuntu-devel list and ask for advice about how to file the bug
[08:28] <valorie> perhaps there is a trick to save those logs
[08:29] <Unit193> /var/log/installer/
[08:30] <Tromzy> Launchpad seems to be for Ubuntu only, not kubuntu ; my typo report is for Kubuntu only
[08:30] <yossarianuk> valorie: ok what address do I send to ? (and do I have to register)
[08:30] <valorie> launchpad is for all of us
[08:30] <yossarianuk> Unit193: cheers
[08:30] <valorie> kubuntu IS ubuntu
[08:31] <Unit193> valorie: Typo is either in the installer or slideshow?
[08:31] <yossarianuk> kubuntu = Ubuntu - spyware + mutant tablet desktop.
[08:31] <valorie> you can send to the list without being subbed, yossarianuk
[08:31] <valorie> yossarianuk: lol
[08:31] <valorie> unity desktop is just one piece of Ubuntu
[08:32] <yossarianuk> KDE is one of the few actual 'desktops'...  Cinnamon is also as well as LXQT/XFCE...
[08:32] <Tromzy> Then I don't know where to report, because if I report it to Launchpad, it will affect Ubuntu as well, which it shouldn't
[08:32] <valorie> sure
[08:32] <valorie> Tromzy: you can mark it as Kubuntu
[08:32] <Tromzy> I know the difference between Ubuntu and Kubuntu, thanks
[08:32] <Unit193> Tromzy: Is it in the part that talks about Kubuntu specifically, after asking you all the questions?
[08:32] <Tromzy> I know it's the same distro with KDE instead of Unity
[08:32] <valorie> I usually use the cli, because I find launchpad difficult to navigate
[08:33] <lordievader> Tromzy: Report it against ubiquity and tag it as kubuntu.
[08:33] <valorie> Tromzy: I was responding to yossarianuk
[08:35] <Tromzy> the typo is simple : the title of the installer is : "Préparation à l'installation d'Kubuntu" which comes from the the Ubuntu version "Préparation à l'installation d'Ubuntu" ; the Ubuntu version is correct ("d'Ubuntu") but the Kubuntu version is not "you cannot say "d'Kubuntu" in french, you can't put an apostrophe before a "K")
[08:35] <Tromzy> it's simpel as that and it's a typo I've always seen
[08:35] <yossarianuk> hi -this is a silly question (probably) I am about to reinstall my desktop (Kubuntu 14.10 -> 15.04) and want to migrate my firefox profile -  previously I got a code which I can use when I re-installed /upgraded which copied my firefox info - where is that feature now ?
[08:36] <lordievader> Tromzy: So file a bug report with that information.
[08:36] <valorie> it would be very cool to get that fixed then, Tromzy
[08:36] <lordievader> yossarianuk: Don't format /home?
[08:36] <Tromzy> OK ; I want to file a bug report, I just need to know where to
[08:36] <valorie> yossarianuk: i never got a code, but it's always upgraded and been fine
[08:36] <Tromzy> I agree Valorie because I does not look very professional to see that typo in the installer
[08:36] <yossarianuk> lordievader: /home is not separate
[08:36] <lordievader> Tromzy: Against Ubiquity, the installer.
[08:36] <valorie> exactly
[08:37] <yossarianuk> ive found it anyway cheers
[08:37] <lordievader> yossarianuk: Lesson for next time, make a seperate /home ;)
[08:37] <yossarianuk> if I disconnect my profile - I see what I will see on a fresh install....
[08:37] <valorie> ah, I do remember a profile problem one time
[08:38] <valorie> but I've set up syncing between machines
[08:38] <yossarianuk> hmmm but then if you radically change OS - say to Arch or Debian 7, etc the versions of software will be different - i.e the .mozilla profile,.
[08:38] <valorie> and that eventually fixed it somehow
[08:38] <yossarianuk> I prefer a clean system when I install less chance of issues.
[08:38] <Tromzy> Should I go to "Report a bug" or "Help translate" ?
[08:38] <valorie> ah, I've never done that
[08:38] <valorie> Tromzy: report a bug
[08:38] <Tromzy> thx
[08:38] <valorie> unless you want to join the translate team
[08:38] <yossarianuk> I don't like sharing /home/ between distros for same reason.
[08:38] <valorie> which is always cool
[08:39] <lordievader> yossarianuk: I've used the same /home between Kubuntu and Gentoo, worked just fine.
[08:39] <valorie> I don't mind sharing home, but I don't want to share configs
[08:39] <valorie> that sounds dangerous
[08:39] <Unit193> Tromzy: That'll be a harder one to fix, because as I suspected the string is: msgstr "Préparation de l’installation d’${RELEASE}"
[08:40] <Tromzy> Unit193 : that's what I think too, maybe that's why it has never been fixed
[08:41] <Tromzy> but it looks really bad in french, you just cannot type "d'Kubuntu"
[08:41] <yossarianuk> lordievader: some apps could cause an issue if the versions are different.
[08:41] <lordievader> yossarianuk: I know.
[08:41] <yossarianuk> Ive seen it before...
[08:41] <Unit193> Tromzy: Is there something else that you can use interchangably between 'ubuntu' and 'kubuntu' (as well as the others)?
[08:42] <yossarianuk> Anyway - off to install 15.04 on my work desktop - I can always install debian8 if i find it not stable enough (not had any real issues @ home with 15.04...)
[08:43] <yossarianuk> cheers everybody - have a cool day
[08:43] <Tromzy> unforrtunately, I don't think so ; except maybe "Préparation à l'installation du système Ubuntu / Kubuntu / Xubuntu etc." ? That would work
[08:43] <Tromzy> "Preparing the installation of the Kubuntu system"
[08:43] <yossarianuk> i'll actually bother to reinstall 15.04 tonight @ home so I can properly report the install bug
[08:46] <valorie> thank you bug reporters!
[08:46] <valorie> your contribution is welcome
[08:49] <Tromzy> Needless to say the "d'Kubuntu" typo is also a typo for "d'Xubuntu" / "d'Lubuntu" and for every Ubuntu flavor that starts with a consonne
[08:49] <Tromzy> consonant*
[08:50] <valorie> it would be lovely if it were fixed for all, indeed
[08:50] <yossarianuk> valorie: for 15.04 I've already done 2 bugs (before release..)
[08:51] <yossarianuk> both solved.
[08:51] <valorie> sometimes writers and coders forget the important work of the translators and internationalization people
[08:51] <valorie> yossarianuk: me too!
[08:51] <valorie> I love being the first to file
[08:51] <valorie> filing a duplicate isn't as much fun
[08:51] <davevanloo> true.., but just as important! :)
[08:51] <yossarianuk> the OSS sound modules are back in the kernel thanks to a bug report from me...
[08:52] <valorie> yes, I always try to add something if possible
[08:52] <valorie> gah, must sleep
[08:52] <valorie> brain death
[08:52] <valorie> thanks again, folks
[08:52] <davevanloo> haha, its only 10 to 11 in the morning here :P
[08:52] <valorie> 2am, long day
[08:53] <davevanloo> ouch, i know the feeling :)
[08:53] <Unit193> Nearing 5am.
[08:53] <lolmaus> After upgrading to Vivid, my panels keep freezing. Is this a known problem?
[08:54] <soee> only panels ?
[08:58] <davevanloo> hey all, does any one know of some good software fo KDE to add some widget or similar bling to the desktop?
[09:04] <Tromzy> Bug filled ; thanks for your help guys
[09:38] <lolmaus_> Help! My panels keep freezing. Unable to work. :( Also, I'm surrounded with Apple users, they will mock me to death.
[09:39] <lolmaus_> This happens since upgrade to Vivid.
[09:39] <davevanloo> lolmaus_ that will be in vain, apple users are ( in general ) to stupid when it comes to IT to properly mock you
[09:40] <lolmaus_> Panels eventually unfreeze, performing all actions i tried on them at once (i. e. left and right clicking). Suddenly all windows switch and a dozen of popup menus appear.
[09:41] <lordievader> lolmaus_: Sounds like (network) IO wait.
[09:41] <lolmaus_> lordievader: why would panels wait for network? Why would it take them seconds to minutes to eternity?
[09:42] <lordievader> That is precisely what I allways wonder when it happens. Also NFS timeouts are really long.
[09:43] <lolmaus_> Okay, killing plasmashell helps. But how do i restart it other than from a console?
[09:43] <lolmaus_> How do i have it run in background?
[09:44] <lolmaus_> Oh, and rebooting does not prevent the issue from happening again.
[09:44] <lordievader> lolmaus_: In Plasma4 that was: plasmadesktop&
[09:44] <lordievader> lolmaus_: Do you have nfs mounts?
[09:44] <yossarianuk> <<< 15.04 installing on work desktop !
[09:44] <lolmaus_> lordievader: i think i don't.
[09:45] <lolmaus_> lordievader: but i've got a number of folders exposed via nfsd, so that i can access them from virtual machines.
[09:45] <yossarianuk> One usability issue I have with plasma 5 or at least the default theme is the taskbar icon for konsole doesn't stand out - makes it hard to see which icon it is
[09:46] <lordievader> lolmaus_: Run vmstat and look at it when the freeze happens.
[09:47] <lolmaus_> lordievader: it just outputs a couple of lines.
[09:48] <yossarianuk> the icon looks very similar to dolphons.
[09:48] <yossarianuk> *dolphins*
[09:48] <lolmaus_> lordievader: i've launched `watch vmstat` but i'm unsure what to look at.
[09:49] <lordievader> lolmaus_: vmstat 1
[10:00] <Zerkalerka> Anyone know how I can get the libgcrypt11 package so I can install brackets on 15.04
[10:01] <lordievader> !info libgcrypt11
[10:01] <lordievader> Zerkalerka: sudo apt-get install libgcrypt11?
[10:01] <Zerkalerka> yeah its not in repositories for vivid
[10:02] <lordievader> !info libgcrypt11 vivid
[10:02] <lordievader> Pff.
[10:02] <Zerkalerka> maybe the -dev will do the trick?
[10:02] <Zerkalerka> libgcrypt11-dev?
[10:02] <lordievader> That is for compiling things against libgcrypt
[10:02] <davevanloo> hey all, im a little at a miss here, im trying to install a peace of software from the source code, called openVAS. to test my own network. however i do not seem to be able to properly find or execute make to do it
[10:03] <davevanloo> the 2 svn repo's are here, the NVTS takes a little while to grab though http://wald.intevation.org/scm/?group_id=29
[10:04] <Zerkalerka> http://pastebin.com/3tniHxja
[10:04] <Zerkalerka> theres the pastebin anyway lordievader
[10:06] <s_20> mmh, did anyone else have dolphin freeze for now apparent reason?
[10:07] <lordievader> Zerkalerka: There is an very ugly workaround which may break your system.
[10:09] <Zerkalerka> lordievader: its funny cause I had it up and running yesterday.. i just -f install it and it went through.. however now not so lucky :P but I reformatted my system lol
[10:09] <Zerkalerka> so now I need to get it again :P
[10:09] <Zerkalerka> was so simple.. now so complicate!
[10:09] <lordievader> Utopic has libgcrypt packages ;)
[10:10] <Zerkalerka> hm ya cause 15.04 uses libgcrypt20.. wonder if there will be conflict
[10:11] <lordievader> !info libgcrypt20
[10:11] <lordievader> !info libgcrypt20 vivid
[10:12] <lordievader> Yeah, that is not going to fix your problem.
[10:12] <lordievader> You could compile Brackets from source.
[10:14] <Zerkalerka> I will have to do that
[10:14] <Zerkalerka> wonder if they have a tar file
[10:14] <lordievader> Jup.
[10:14] <lordievader> https://github.com/adobe/brackets/releases
[10:15] <Zerkalerka> k I will try that
[10:15] <rghvdberg> just installed 15.04 .. is there a gui to edit groups for a user ?
[10:28] <MrSassyPants> I have massive flickering and tearing
[10:28] <MrSassyPants> the screen becomes increasingly unusable
[10:28] <MrSassyPants> Just upgraded to 15.04, intel i965
[10:34] <Zerkalerka> lordievader: I am not sure why this build is different but this one seems to work as it doesn't depend on libgcrypt11
[10:34] <Zerkalerka> lordievader: https://github.com/adobe/brackets/releases/tag/linux-cef-2171
[10:36] <davevanloo> (sort of repost) does any one have experiencing building software from source code, and if so could that person be so kind as to help me true building and installing something?
[10:37] <lordievader> davevanloo: I run Gentoo ;)
[10:37] <davevanloo> lordievader: forgive my ignorance, but that does not ring a bell :P
[10:38] <lordievader> davevanloo: Gentoo is a source based distro. You compile every piece of software yourself.
[10:38] <davevanloo> oooh! yes now it does ring a bell! that is something i would enjoy in the long run to, however right now im wanting to install OpenVAS lol
[10:39] <davevanloo> so you have a crapton of experience building lol
[10:43] <lordievader> davevanloo: So what problems are you facing?
[10:44] <davevanloo> well, a generally low know how on how to do it.., combined with a rather complicated folder structure and little info on what and how to build.. aswel as the build in documentation giving several ways that simply fail
[10:46] <yossarianuk> the removal of libgcrypt11 has cause no end of issues
[10:47] <yossarianuk> I recommend just grabbing the packages from Debian Jessie....
[10:47] <lordievader> yossarianuk: Can't provide backwards support forever, look at Windows ;)
[10:47] <yossarianuk> I do know, however the entire reason I manged to get the OSS modules put back in the kernel was to play paintball2 (dplogin.com)
[10:48] <yossarianuk> this relies on libgcrypt11 which was removed the same week the OSS SND modules were put back
[10:48]  * lordievader never used OSS and thinks he is lucky about that
[10:48] <yossarianuk> spotify is also broken appartantly.
[10:48] <yossarianuk> http://www.webupd8.org/2015/04/fix-missing-libgcrypt11-causing-spotify.html
[10:49] <yossarianuk> lordievader: its a game based (modified) on the quake2 engine
[10:49] <yossarianuk> they offer SDL support but its broken - the leading dev is not likely to rebuild to gcrypt2 unfortunately
[10:51] <yossarianuk> It was crazy removing OSS in the first place.....
[10:51] <lordievader> It's deprecated.
[10:51] <yossarianuk> no other distro had actually removed the modules from the kernel - most are there but not enabled by default.
[10:51] <yossarianuk> ie you can modprobe them.
[10:52] <lordievader> The kernel config clearly states OSS is deprecated.
[10:52] <yossarianuk> sure - but what is the harm having them there but not enabled by default.
[10:52] <yossarianuk> For the last 5 years I hjave had to recompile the kernel in order to play paintball2
[10:53] <yossarianuk> (with sound)
[10:53] <yossarianuk> but 15.04 - snd_mixer_oss and snd_pcm_oss are back !!!
[10:55] <yossarianuk> plasma 5 is most definitely faster !
[11:01] <mokush> is there some issue with font smoothing in kate5? the oxygen-mono font is not as smooth as in konsole
[11:11] <MrSassyPants> I have massive flickering and tearing, the screen becomes increasingly unusable. Just upgraded to 15.04, Driver: intel i965
[11:45] <CharlieTheCabbie> Hi guys.  I won't say good afternoon, although we're getting close.  I now have plasma running, which is good - the bad side is that my display is stuck in 848*764 or similar, and my lettering looks atrocious.
[11:46] <CharlieTheCabbie> I have tried using KDE System Settings to change the display resolution and refresh, but it's constantly segfaulting.  Is there anywhere in the settings I can change to force it?
[11:50] <yossarianuk> CharlieTheCabbie: xrandr
[11:52] <CharlieTheCabbie> brilliant.  I will have to file a bug with KDE on the System settings - it seems that it's claiming there is no EDID for my display
[11:54] <CharlieTheCabbie> I will have to find a manual for that.  I just ran it with --help and it makes no sense to me :(
[11:57] <lordievader> CharlieTheCabbie: Is there edid information?
[11:59] <CharlieTheCabbie> I know there's something about edid in the dmesg, do you want I should paste it up?
[12:00] <lordievader> No. Does /sys/class/drm/card0-<someoutput>/edid exist?
[12:04] <CharlieTheCabbie> yep
[12:05] <CharlieTheCabbie> I have 2 there, one for DVI, one VGA, and it's VGA I'm using
[12:06] <lordievader> Hmm.. Can you parse that edid information with read-edid?
[12:07] <CharlieTheCabbie> I'll try, one sec
[12:08] <CharlieTheCabbie> How long should that take?
[12:08] <CharlieTheCabbie> I started it and it's just sitting there.
[12:10] <lordievader> CharlieTheCabbie: Read the man page, it expects the edid information on stdin ;)
[12:15] <yossarianuk> hi - is there no screen locking/saver section for 15.04 ?
[12:15] <yossarianuk> ignore me.
[12:16] <zamazan4ik> hi!
[12:16] <soee> hiho zamazan4ik
[12:16] <yossarianuk> found in desktop behavior -> screen locking
[12:17] <zamazan4ik> i have some question about kubuntu 15.04
[12:17] <CharlieTheCabbie> well this is fun!  I got through and it says that i2c was successful, no EDID on Bus 1 or Bus 2, and then it gave me some other giblets in the terminal.
[12:17] <yossarianuk> so there are no screensavers for Plasma 5 - just a screen locker?
[12:17] <zamazan4ik> i use this os on virtualbox, on the my laptop i have kubuntu 14.04
[12:18] <zamazan4ik> and i would to upgrade my lts to newer OC
[12:18] <CharlieTheCabbie> lordievader, the output does show my model number on the monitor, E151FP
[12:18] <zamazan4ik> but i afraid of unstable plasma 5
[12:18] <zamazan4ik> pls, tell me : plasma 5 is stable?
[12:18] <lordievader> CharlieTheCabbie: Does it show modes?
[12:18] <soee> zamazan4ik: yes it is
[12:18] <CharlieTheCabbie> no. It shows a whole lot of weird stuff.
[12:19] <lordievader> CharlieTheCabbie: That is then likely the reason ;)
[12:19] <zamazan4ik> what about nvidia optimus and drivers ?
[12:19] <soee> zamazan4ik: some users have problems with it, for me they work good
[12:20] <soee> there are though some visual glithces in sddm with propriety drivers
[12:20] <soee> but this is not Plasma 5 and you asked about plasma:)
[12:20] <CharlieTheCabbie> lordievader, is there anything I can do about it, short of throwing my monitor out of the window??? :)
[12:20] <yossarianuk> I would never test a new desktop in a VM - it will not be as good as a real install...
[12:21] <yossarianuk> Cannot wait for virgil to proceed - https://virgil3d.github.io/
[12:21] <lordievader> CharlieTheCabbie: Err, you can still force modes.
[12:21] <zamazan4ik> oh, ok :)
[12:22] <lordievader> CharlieTheCabbie: Also it might be the graphics card/driver not properly supporting edid.
[12:22] <zamazan4ik> what's problem with sddm?
[12:22] <CharlieTheCabbie> the graphics card is an nvidia geforce 6200 turbocache.
[12:22] <lordievader> Wow, that is old ;)
[12:22] <CharlieTheCabbie> I tried it with nvidia drivers and sddm won't even fire up
[12:23] <zamazan4ik> i have nvidia gt635
[12:23] <zamazan4ik> and on kubuntu 14.04 all work fine
[12:24] <CharlieTheCabbie> same here, zamazan4ik - no problems with this card on 14.04 or 14.10
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:24] <zamazan4ik> but yesterday on friend's laptop with nvidia 820m i broke graphic system
[12:24] <CharlieTheCabbie> hey BluesKaj!  I came looking for you last night but you'd already left by the time I got back
[12:25] <zamazan4ik> on 15.05, of course
[12:25] <zamazan4ik> 15.04 *
[12:25] <zamazan4ik> after login on sddm i can see only black screen
[12:26] <zamazan4ik> and i think it isn't good )
[12:26] <BluesKaj> hey CharlieTheCabbie , yeah I had yardwork to finish ....gotta keep wifey happy :-)
[12:26] <CharlieTheCabbie> BluesKaj, quick update: I am in Plasma, but display is stuck in 848*something or other.  I have tried to move to 1024*768 and system settings segfaults.
[12:26] <CharlieTheCabbie> nvidia drivers kill plasma altogether, so they're gone.
[12:27] <CharlieTheCabbie> My text is pretty broken up, and my edid is garbage :)
[12:28] <BluesKaj> did you manage to install the nvidia-340 driver, CharlieTheCabbie?
[12:28] <CharlieTheCabbie> I tried the 304 and the 340 - 340 told me to use 304 as my card wasn't supported
[12:28] <BluesKaj> so you're on the nouveau
[12:28] <CharlieTheCabbie> yeah
[12:29] <zamazan4ik> noouveau is not good choice
[12:29] <zamazan4ik> i think
[12:29] <zamazan4ik> because this driver is too simple
[12:29] <BluesKaj> actually the nouveau driver is quite good for most things if the other drivers aren't working, CharlieTheCabbie
[12:30] <CharlieTheCabbie> right now, nouveau is only choice.  I'm having enough trouble getting plasma to start at all
[12:30] <zamazan4ik> for most thing
[12:30] <zamazan4ik> for example, for games nouveau driver is terrible
[12:30] <CharlieTheCabbie> BluesKaj, do I have any other options?  lordievader mentioned i can force a mode, but how do I do this?
[12:30] <zamazan4ik> CharlieTheCabbie, what about reinstall kde5?
[12:31] <CharlieTheCabbie> This was a brand new installation from an ISO USB key, extended with a wired net connection.
[12:31] <BluesKaj> zamazan4ik:  kde 5 doesn't exist as such only plasma5 and KF5
[12:31] <CharlieTheCabbie> It was done about 18 hours or so back
[12:32] <zamazan4ik> can you try to install the newest driver for your card from xorg-edgers?
[12:33] <BluesKaj> CharlieTheCabbie:  so you transferred an older nvidia card to a relatively computer ?
[12:33] <lordievader> CharlieTheCabbie: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/guerrilla-tactics-force-screen-mode-ubuntu
[12:33] <BluesKaj> new
[12:33] <CharlieTheCabbie> no, the old nvidia card was in the computer when I got it
[12:33] <CharlieTheCabbie> WYSIWYG
[12:33] <CharlieTheCabbie> thanks lordievader
[12:35] <zamazan4ik> system with systemd load more quickly or not?
[12:35] <soee> nouevau is perfect for office use, movie watching etc.
[12:35] <soee> nvidia is good only for gaming
[12:36] <soee> zamazan4ik: slower load time with systemd
[12:36] <zamazan4ik> soee, why? why nvidia is bad for office use?
[12:36] <zamazan4ik> soee, thanks
[12:37] <soee> zamazan4ik: for me with propriety drivers there is small screen tearing, animations arent taht smooth as with nouveau
[12:37] <soee> (atleast on machine with optimus )
[12:37] <zamazan4ik> soee, hm... it's interesting, because i haven't any troubles
[12:38] <zamazan4ik> but at this moment i work at intel videocard
[12:38] <BluesKaj> lordievader:  that's a good tip
[12:39] <zamazan4ik> because for programming i don't need nvidia )
[12:40] <CharlieTheCabbie> ok well I'm still shot.  I got a modeline for me to add to xrandr and it says it failed to parse -hsync as a number
[12:41] <lordievader> BluesKaj: I allways link to that guide ;)
[12:41] <lordievader> CharlieTheCabbie: How does that command look exactly?
[12:41] <BluesKaj> yup lordievader added it to my kubuntu bookmarks
[12:42] <CharlieTheCabbie> cvt or the xrandr newmode?
[12:42] <lordievader> CharlieTheCabbie: The xrandr command with the cvt output.
[12:42] <CharlieTheCabbie> one second please :)
[12:46] <CharlieTheCabbie> xrandr --newmode "1024x768_75.10" 82.00 1024 1088 1192 1360 768 771 825 -hsync +vsync
[12:46] <CharlieTheCabbie> that is the modeline added from the results of cvt 1024 768 75.10
[12:55] <CharlieTheCabbie> i think I buggered this up.  I'm supposed to use the hsync and vsync numbers from the CVT command!
[12:55] <CharlieTheCabbie> forklift.
[12:55]  * CharlieTheCabbie smacks his head
[13:02] <ejay> hi
[13:04] <lordievader> CharlieTheCabbie: Jup, you copy most of the cvt output.
[13:05] <CharlieTheCabbie> yeehah!
[13:05] <CharlieTheCabbie> My god, I can read my shit.
[13:05] <CharlieTheCabbie> :D
[13:06] <CharlieTheCabbie> plasma's crashed, but I can still tabswitch
[13:13] <CharlieTheCabbie> I'm now going to logout and reboot, and see if I come back with an operational display :)  see you in a few moments. Hopefully :)
[13:19] <lordievader> Not if you only did an xrandr...
[13:21] <sheytan> Hey guys! Just upgraded to plasma 5.3, but there's no bluetooth applet in the tray and there's no KCM for the config. Do i have to install something extra?
[13:32] <combasso> hello, where can I find more channels for IRC?
[13:34] <genii> !alis
[13:36] <combasso> thanks!
[13:38] <patrick__> I installed the yahoo smiley pack for my icons in Kubuntu 15.04 - but the chat client doesnt seem to see the symbols as icons
[13:41] <xieyi> I saw cuda toolkit 6.5 is available in sw repository. But it has no dependencies on specific version of nvidia driver
[13:41] <xieyi> it there any requirements posed on the version of the driver?
[13:45] <patrick__> I installed the yahoo smiley pack for my icons in Kubuntu 15.04 - but the chat client doesnt seem to see the symbols as icons
[13:46] <soee> patrick__: no idea ;) never used any smile icons
[13:55] <yossarianuk> well 3 hrs as my main work desktop with 15.04 -> working out fine !
[13:55] <yossarianuk> its faster than kde 4.x for sure (I have 3.19 kernel with 14.10..)
[13:56] <yossarianuk> still need a weather applet.
[13:58] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk:  I just bookmark the weather channel here :-)
[13:58] <jacksonje> is there a way to adapt the new kubuntu to work well on hidpi monitors?
[13:59] <BluesKaj> jacksonje:  that depends a lot on the gpu and the connection type
[13:59] <jacksonje> BluesKaj: my problem is mainly that everything is too small
[14:00] <BluesKaj> jacksonje:  then you resolution is set too high for the monitor size
[14:00] <BluesKaj> your
[14:01] <jacksonje> I thought there were issues setting an hidpi lcd panel at a much lower resolution
[14:02] <jacksonje> so kubuntu doesn't currently support things like pixel doubling, etc?
[14:02] <yossarianuk> I'm getting these messages with 15.04
[14:02] <BluesKaj> a higher dpi will help with lower resolution, it's a trade off, depending on the size of the monitor
[14:02] <yossarianuk> [    5.165387] ACPI Warning: SystemIO range 0x0000000000000428-0x000000000000042f conflicts with OpRegion 0x0000000000000400-0x000000000000047f (\PMIO) (20141107/utaddress-258)    - ACPI: If an ACPI driver is available for this device, you should use it instead of the native driver
[14:02] <yossarianuk> A few of these type lines) - ends with - lpc_ich: Resource conflict(s) found affecting gpio_ich
[14:03] <jacksonje> ahh well, I can try it at a lower res and see what happens
[14:03] <BluesKaj> jacksonje:  what res do you it set at atm ?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> have
[14:04] <jacksonje> BluesKaj: 2880 x 1800
[14:04] <BluesKaj> ok , what size monitor?
[14:04] <jacksonje> 15"
[14:05] <BluesKaj> uhmm higher do=pi might work but then you may have apps not fitting the screen properly
[14:05] <jacksonje> I know some of the newer window managers were starting to support pixel doubling, didn't know if KDE 5 can handle that yet
[14:05] <yossarianuk> so is Plasma 5.3 out now ?  - https://dot.kde.org/2015/04/28/plasma-5.3
[14:06] <yossarianuk> (final)
[14:06] <yossarianuk> ah I see it is .... http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5.3
[14:07] <BluesKaj> yes, but be careful , it can be problematic, yossarianuk'
[14:07] <jacksonje> It would be nice to have for example window stuff to be scaled properly to hidpi, but if you are working on a photo, to have the photo app use the full pixel dpi
[14:07] <BluesKaj> the preview version works on tmy other hdd , wheras the fianl mucked up on this drive
[14:08] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk: ^
[14:08] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: I'll save it for my home
[14:08] <yossarianuk> desktop
[14:08] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk:  good choice
[14:08] <jacksonje> would 5.3 work better on a fresh install?
[14:09] <BluesKaj> jacksonje:  it didn't for me , but I have nvidia graphics
[14:10] <yossarianuk> I tested 5.3 beta on nvidia and it was fine.
[14:10] <jacksonje> does ATI work better or worse than nvidia at this point?
[14:11] <BluesKaj> yeah ,there's a bug that the preview version doesn't have
[14:11] <BluesKaj> on some nvidias that is
[14:13] <BluesKaj> jacksonje: probly better, we only hear complaints when stuff doesn't work on some gpus, most have n=been with nvidia on 15.104 so far
[14:14] <BluesKaj> err 15.04...my phat fingers are espcially phat this morning
[14:23] <yossarianuk> its a shame kubuntu 15.04 wasn't put back a few weeks, you could have gone with 5.3 as default.
[14:41] <donniezazen> yossarianuk: generally it shouldn't matter 5.3 is an incremental update to 5.2. Some version not making it to some version of Kubuntu will continue to happen.
[14:46] <miklcct> when I tried to install kubuntu 15.04, the installer crashes partitioning the disk
[14:47] <Roey> hello all
[14:47] <Roey> Why does the Kubuntu 15.04 install disc ask for a username/password when I select "try Kubuntu"?
[14:49] <donniezazen> Roey: just hit login and it will log you in.
[14:51] <alvin> I installed the new plasma 5.3 packages. Bluetooth still works, but the applet looks the same to me. Am I missing some package?
[14:51] <Roey> donniezazen: I did that, and then the screen goes blank, and then it gets me back to the initial login screen.
[14:51] <alvin> It looks different in this https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.3/bluedevil-applet3-wee.png screenshot and that was what I expected to see
[14:51] <Roey> could it be nvidia 750ti nouveou drivers' fault?
[14:53] <donniezazen> Roey: possibly. Do you have a dual graphic card system or just nvidia card
[14:53] <Roey> just an NVidia one.
[14:54] <Roey> I don't et it though; the graphic login screen displays fine.
[14:54] <Roey> *I don't get it, though
[14:55] <Roey> donniezazen:  I was upgrading to 15.04 on my desktop; it rebooted in the middle; starting it back up, the BTRFS driver chokes when it tries to load my filesystem (it segfaults repeatedly).  Tried loading a Kubuntu startup disc, but apparently it too gets choked on that BTRFS drive.  DIsconnected the drive; now I am still having this issue with loggin in with a blank password.
[14:56] <Roey> Hello BluesKaj
[14:56] <Roey> BluesKaj:  so I tried to upgrade.  Again.  One would have thought that I had learned my lesson, but no.
[14:57] <BluesKaj> Roey:  hi, check to se if 15.04 will run that file system...doesn't look like it will
[14:58] <Roey> BluesKaj: it was the same filesystem as 14.10!
[14:58] <Roey> btrfs!
[14:58] <BluesKaj> anyway , I have a busy day ahead, doing other things...BBL
[14:59] <Roey> BluesKaj: I am concerned that BTRFS fucked my data up
[14:59] <Roey> argh
[14:59] <donniezazen> wasn't brtfs problematic with some version of 3.19.x
[15:06] <yossarianuk> Roey: BTRFS is fixed in 3.19.4
[15:07] <donniezazen> I don't see my phone's drive via KDE Connect on 14.04.
[15:07] <donniezazen> phone
[15:07] <donniezazen> phone's storage in Dolphin
[15:15] <Obyone>  
[15:15] <Obyone> Even the smartest among us can feel stupid as we fail to figure out which light switch or oven burner to turn on, or whether to push, pull, or slide a door. The fault lies not in ourselves, but in product design that ignores the needs of users and the principles of cognitive psychology. The problems range from ambiguous and hidden controls to arbitrary relationships between controls and functions, coupled with a lack of feedback or other assistance and
[15:15] <Obyone> unreasonable demands on memorization.﻿
[15:16] <tjjv> Can anyone help me with problems after upgading to 15.04?
[15:17] <lolmaus_> How do i programmatically check whether a component of given name exists?
 What is the problem and we will see
[15:18] <tjjv> Main problems for now are .... 1) Application launcher is empty. 2) There is a dialog "KWin Window manager: Desktop effects were restrted..." and it won't go away. It's been there for an hour and it just blurs under mouse ponter...
[15:19] <tjjv> During installation the screen locked, and later the keyboard froze, so I needed to reset...
 When did this happen , what was happening just befor it ?
 Did you update or was fresh install off live disk ?
[15:21] <tjjv> The application menu has been empty after upgrade. The window manager notification is ok. Problem is, the notification doesn't go away...
[15:22] <tjjv> update from 14.10
[15:22] <tjjv> I started upgrade and went to sleep. When I wokw up, the screen was locked (with old screen lock).
 Try pressing CONTROL ALT F4 , type in dmsg  , Also install locate if can , most likely get error message and may give instruction how to correct
[15:25] <lolmaus_> Oh, i asked on the wrong channel. Disregard my question.
 What is right channel , i'll head there my self
[15:27] <cediddi> Guys, I'm having trouble with 15.04's KWalletManager. Can anyone help?
[15:27] <tjjv> I already did the proposed fixes, and now the desktop basically works. Do you know any way to reset the application launcher menu? Now it is totally empty, and I dont'want to enter everything manually
[15:28] <cediddi> I don't want to use KWallet subsystem but when I try to disable it, kwalletmanager hangs and subsystem still works.
[15:31] <Obyone> Does anybody know the commands for grub2 entry to boot live DVD sized  iso off usb . Theres not a chance in hell i'm goign to burn anouther baby seal and produce more PCB's, Dioxins and Estrogens.
[15:34] <tjjv> I'll try to reboot again....
[15:36] <amichair_> Hi, I just upgraded to vivid and pidgin icon is gone, is this a known issue?
[15:38] <amichair_> also, why does 'About KDE' show version 5.9.0? isn't it 5.2.0, or 5.3.0 from backports?
[15:40] <Obyone>  verbose = wordy, talkative, babbling, blathering, prattling, prating, jabbering, long-winded, lengthy, repetitious, redundant, tortuous, indirect, etc. Verbose = torture .
[16:00] <kairox> hello can you tell me please how can i reinitialise the configuration of the plasma 5.2.2 and make like i just install it for the first time
[16:03] <MoonUnit`> delete the .kde .local .config folders
[16:06] <kairox> moonunit so i will delete the all 3 folder and restart
[16:06] <MoonUnit`> yup
[16:06] <kairox> think's i will try it now
[16:08] <jonah> hi can anyone please help. I started on Ubuntu, but installed Kubunu-Desktop to use Kubuntu instead. But now I can't remove ubuntu... How do I switch so the system requires the kubuntu bits with the blue logo next to them in the package manager instead of the orange ubuntu ones? I just would like to clean up a bit and make it pure kubuntu only...
[16:08] <jonah> thanks for any help with this.
[16:09] <kairox> the probleme that i delete the .kde directory and then it appear like that
[16:10] <kairox> the probleme is that they just keep appearing after i delete theme
[16:14] <hyper_ch> hmmm, who maintains the icon-only task manager?
[16:23] <Taggnostr4> Hello
[16:23] <Taggnostr4> Is there a way to install Kubuntu from the terminal of a live USB?
[16:31] <hyper_ch> Taggnostr4: why from the toerminal of a live usb?
[16:32] <Taggnostr4> The GUI doesn't work
[16:32] <Taggnostr4> I just see the background image and the pointer
[16:32] <Taggnostr4> I'm trying to install the nvidia driver and see if it changes anything
[16:33] <hyper_ch> how about use use the mini install cd? that's like the old text base variant but needs to load pretty much every packages from the internet
[16:33] <basse> hi, has anyone been able to create wifi hotspot on kubuntu 15.04 ?
[16:33] <hyper_ch> yes
[16:33] <Taggnostr4> Mini install CD?
[16:33] <basse> when I do that, I get furiously spinning icon on taskbar and 100% cpu on plasmashell
[16:33] <basse> and it doesn't really work
[16:34] <MoonUnit`> installed plasma5 5.3 from the backports, running fine.
[16:34] <hyper_ch> Taggnostr4: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/vivid/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[16:34] <hyper_ch> Taggnostr4: it's only 40 MB
[16:34] <Taggnostr4> Can I put that on a USB like the normal ones?
[16:34] <hyper_ch> and then almost at the end, just select as packages:  Kubuntu-Desktop
[16:34] <hyper_ch> Taggnostr4: yes
[16:35] <hyper_ch> or Ubuntu Desktop
[16:35] <hyper_ch> or Lubuntu or wahtever you want :)
[16:35] <hyper_ch> MoonUnit`: lucky you, I have like a gazillion issues with it
[16:36] <hyper_ch> Taggnostr4: I used the mini to install an encrypted raid1 system
[16:37] <Taggnostr4> hyper_ch, after installing the nvidia drivers and doing startx I got the desktop working
[16:38] <hyper_ch> goot
[16:38] <Taggnostr4> This is on a 14.10 live though, I'm going to try the same on a 15.04 now
[16:38] <Taggnostr4> If that fails I'll try the mini install
[16:40] <hyper_ch> Taggnostr4: on the mini you'll just need to make sure you have network access
[16:41] <Taggnostr4> Now I do
[16:42] <Taggnostr4> Is there anything outside /home/ I should backup before formatting?
[16:43] <MaestroVinyl> Hello. Does anyone know of problems with dm-crypt in vivid? I'm trying to mount some drives from utopic and being told there isn't a key available for my pw.
[16:45] <Taggnostr4> I'm also considering if it's worth using lvm, this is a laptop and I have a 500 GB sshd-- I was thinking to use 100 for the system and 400 for the data
[16:45] <hyper_ch> MaestroVinyl: how do you tryo to open them?
[16:46] <hyper_ch> Taggnostr4: I use raid1 on my notebook so tht I can attach an external usb 3.0 drive, then expand the raid to two devices, sync them and unhook the external drive again - on the fly backup :)
[16:47] <Taggnostr4> I don't plan to even fill the 400GB
[16:48] <hyper_ch> there was a time when I thought I couldn't fill a 256MB HDD
[16:48] <MaestroVinyl> hyper_ch: Ive tried using cryptsetup in a shell and through the device notifier dialog - used both before upgrading without problem. Even checked my keyboard layout - cant think what else it could be
[16:48] <hyper_ch> what commands did you use? what did you get?
[16:48] <Taggnostr4> I use this PC only while traveling and to work, at home I have some 3TB of disks
[16:50] <MaestroVinyl> hyper_ch: used 'cryptsetup open --type luks /path/to/container Name'. It asks for my pw and then gives 'No key available with this pass-phrase'
[16:51] <MaestroVinyl> hyper_ch: after sudo
[16:51] <hyper_ch> I use:  cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdx crypto_sdx
[16:51] <hyper_ch> are you sure you provided the correct password?
[16:52] <hyper_ch> boot a 14.10 live cd and test it there
[16:53] <MaestroVinyl> Well, that was my first thought. But I cant mount any of my old drives, including my external backups with different passwords. Tried the older modes too, no affect. I might have to try the live CD. Just strange.
[16:53] <Taggnostr4> The startx on 15.04 didn't work too well...
[16:53] <Taggnostr4> Krunner crashed and then plasma stated crashing in loop
[16:54] <Taggnostr4> Bbl
[17:24] <hyper_ch> Taggnostr4: got it working?
[17:24] <Taggnostr4> Nope, trying again
[17:24] <Taggnostr4> If it doesn't work I'll just go back to 14.10
[17:24] <hyper_ch> tried the mini?
[17:25] <Taggnostr4> Not yet, I'm also going to try that
[17:25] <hyper_ch> gl
[17:31] <Taggnostr4> 15.04 is all black, but I just got a popup saying I'm low on disk space, so behind the black something seems to be working
[17:32] <Taggnostr4> Is there any keyboard shortcut I can use to get something to popup? Alt+f1 doesn't seem to work
[18:14] <xnox> what version of plasma is there in 15.04 release?
[18:15] <MoonUnit`> 5.2
[18:15] <MoonUnit`> 5.3 released today, available on backports ppa
[18:36] <zamazan4ik> hi
[18:37] <zamazan4ik> i have some problems with plasma 5
[18:38] <zamazan4ik> who can explain me, why when i click on the any button on the system tray, window will close ?
[18:39] <zamazan4ik> and why when i shutdown system, plasma 5 crash?
[18:47] <Chaser_> Hi, anybody has problems using autokey-qt on 15.04. I use keyboard.send_keys() to send strings up on a hotkey combination. After upgrading to 15.04 it can't seem to send capital case letters but converts everything to smaller case letters. It doesn't seem to be autokey's issue as debug shows it sends capital case letters.
[18:50] <Chaser_> Sorry I meant upper case letters when I said capital case :)
[19:19] <__CM__> clear
[19:20] <DrGrov> Hi everyone
[19:21] <DrGrov> With 15.04, which 64-bit ISO should I download when having an Intel Xeon processor? The AMD64?
[19:21] <DrGrov> Or could I get Plasma 5 running on 14.04?
[19:28] <pkulas> DrGrov : There is only 1 64bit iso
[19:29] <DrGrov> pkulas: Okay, the name was just confusing since it stated ...amd64-....
[19:30] <__CM__> DrGrov, I was told on the ubuntu forums there is no way to backport plasma 5 to 14.04
[19:31] <DrGrov> __CM__: Okay. No worries.
[19:31] <__CM__> which sucks because i will have to reformat in like 8 months for 15.10
[19:31] <DrGrov> I can still somehow test run 15.04 as a live DVD?
[19:31] <__CM__> oops 6 months I mean
[19:31] <__CM__> yea
[19:32] <DrGrov> Would a Xeon with 8GB RAM suffice to run it properly to get a grip of the whole system on a general level?
[19:32] <__CM__> I would say yes to the 8 gigs
[19:34] <DrGrov> __CM__: Thanks for the help. Could you point me to a fast 15.04 download? I am not getting any good speeds on the close mirrors.
[19:34] <pkulas> DrGrov: try torrent
[19:34] <DrGrov> pkulas: Ah of course, that will fix it :)
[19:34] <__CM__> yeah torrent
[19:35] <DrGrov> Just updated my internet yesterday afternoon. A 5 minute call and whoops, from 100/5 Mbit to 250/20 Mbit
[19:35] <DrGrov> And the Kubuntu official download did not get me anything close to 250 Mbit. Only roughly 110 Mbit :/
[19:36] <DrGrov> Is there by any chance need for hosting around Kubuntu? I would have a VPN and webhotel to spare with bandwith to use :)
[19:36] <DrGrov> Would like to contribute in some way :)
[19:37] <pkulas> DrGrov: btw. why you want a Kubuntu on a server ?
[19:37] <DrGrov> pkulas: I am not using Kubuntu on a server.
[19:37] <DrGrov> This Xeon is my daily driver ;-)
[19:38] <pkulas> ^
[19:39] <DrGrov> pkulas: Something funny with me having a Xeon as a daily driver? :(
[19:40] <pkulas> DrGrov: a bit waste of Xeon for desktop use
[19:40] <DrGrov> pkulas: I would not consider it a waste. I am developing quite some stuff so I need the specs.
[19:41] <DrGrov> pkulas: Business purposes and I prefer to have lightning fast stuff to work with.
[19:41] <pkulas> DrGrov: :)
[19:41] <DrGrov> pkulas: The main and sole purpose is that I am sick and tired of waiting for a i3, i5 to do something :)
[19:41] <DrGrov> pkulas: Yes, perhaps it is a bit of an overkill but hey, it gets the job done ;-)
[19:45] <DrGrov> Could someone tell me the direct link to the 15.04 64-bit ISO so I can wget it? :)
[19:45] <DrGrov> Thank you :)
[19:46] <ovidiu-florin> hello crishuke
[19:47] <genii> DrGrov: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/vivid/release/kubuntu-15.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[19:49] <crishuke> Hi guys. Can anybody help me with kubuntu 14.04 installation? i keep getting 'grub failed to install' message
[19:50] <ovidiu-florin> how did you set up your boot medium?
[19:50] <crishuke> forgot to mention i'm a noob tto linux
[19:50] <crishuke> usb key
[19:50] <crishuke> pendriveinstaller on windows
[19:51] <DrGrov> Thank you genii :)
[19:54] <ovidiu-florin> crishuke: please pastebin your fstab
[19:54] <ovidiu-florin> cat /etc/fstab
[19:56] <crishuke> https://paste.kde.org/pv0f0iund
[19:59] <Taggnostr4> Just completed a fresh install of 15.04 and it still gets stuck after login
[19:59] <ovidiu-florin> Taggnostr4: describe stuck please
[20:00] <Taggnostr4> Loading bar appears after I enter the password and stops near the end, kwin_x11 is eating all the CPU
[20:01] <Taggnostr4> I had the same problem while upgrading from 14.10 and was hoping a fresh install would work
[20:02] <ovidiu-florin> crishuke: df -h  please
[20:03] <hyper_ch> so, 13th bug reported since my 15.04 installation
[20:03] <ovidiu-florin> Taggnostr4: nvidia?
[20:03] <Taggnostr4> Yes
[20:03] <Taggnostr4> I've been trying to make it work since Friday
[20:04] <crishuke> https://paste.kde.org/pa7opicl4
[20:04] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: there was a known issue of 15.04 with nvidia, was that solved?
[20:05] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: partly, depends which driver you use I think
[20:05] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: do you understand the last pastebin ?
[20:05] <Taggnostr4> Is there something I can try?
[20:05] <ovidiu-florin> it's the output of df -h
[20:05] <Taggnostr4> I'm using nvidia-current
[20:05] <Taggnostr4> I think it's nvidia-304
[20:07] <ovidiu-florin> Taggnostr4: not in 15.04
[20:07] <ovidiu-florin> it's 319 I think
[20:07] <Taggnostr4> Let me check
[20:09] <Taggnostr4> Yes, I have 304
[20:10] <Taggnostr4> I apt-got nvidia-current and got 304, should I try 319 instead?
[20:10] <Taggnostr4> Fwiw it's an old machine, not sure it had anything to do with it
[20:10] <ovidiu-florin> Taggnostr4: one moment
[20:10] <Taggnostr4> And I think on 14.10 I was also using 304 without problems
[20:10] <Taggnostr4> OK
[20:12] <ovidiu-florin> Taggnostr4: you should use the recommended version from the driver gui
[20:12] <ovidiu-florin> I don't remember which is the version for that
[20:12] <ovidiu-florin> but 304 sound terribly old to me
[20:12] <Taggnostr4> From the GUI the recommended was 304
[20:15] <ovidiu-florin> in 15.04?
[20:15] <ovidiu-florin> Taggnostr4: ^
[20:15] <Taggnostr4> Yes
[20:15] <Taggnostr4> Also in 14.10
[20:15] <Papamatti> Perhaps the new systemd?
[20:16] <Taggnostr4> But when I managed to get to the GUI in 15.10 everything was pretty broken
[20:16] <Papamatti> My first install of 15.04 on my netbook leads into a black screen...
[20:16] <ovidiu-florin> Taggnostr4: where did you get 15.10 from?
[20:17] <Taggnostr4> Upgrading from 14.10
[20:17] <ovidiu-florin> 15.10 doesn't exist (yet)
[20:17] <Taggnostr4> 15.04*
[20:18] <ovidiu-florin> :P
[20:18] <Taggnostr4> Everything seems to eat lot of CPU
[20:19] <Taggnostr4> kwin_x11, update-apt+ and WPA_supplicant are trying to use 100%
[20:21] <Taggnostr4> systemd-jo+ rsyslogd dbus-daemon NetworkMan+ are also eating 10-25%, not sure if it's because all the rest is already being eaten by the other 3
[20:22] <Taggnostr4> anything else I can try before giving up and reinstalling 14.10?
[20:25] <Taggnostr4> Should I try with 15.04 32bit?
[20:25] <Taggnostr4> Maybe the drivers have problems with 64bit?
[20:25] <pkulas> Taggnostr4: what CPU do you have
[20:26] <Taggnostr4> Core 2, it's 64bit
[20:26] <Taggnostr4> The 15.04 I installed is 64bit
[20:30] <Taggnostr4> ovidiu-florin just confirmed that from the GUI the recommended version is 304.125 from nvidia-304
[20:30] <pkulas> Taggnostr4: For me system very low cpu consume
[20:31] <Taggnostr4> pkulas, looked like two unrelated problems, I switched the Wi-Fi off and killed kwin and now the CPU is OK
[20:32] <Taggnostr4> After killing kwin I can get windows to pop up, but they have no borders and everything else is black
[20:34] <Taggnostr4> Trying the nouveau drivers now
[20:35] <Taggnostr4> Looks like I came even get to the login screen with them
[20:35] <Taggnostr4> I get a GPU lockup
[20:54] <wldcordeiro_> Is there a way to upgrade KDE to 5.3 on 15.04?
[20:55] <Taggnostr4> I'm trying to install back 14.10 from live USB, but now when I try to apt-get the nvidia drivers it won't install them
[20:56] <Taggnostr4> It was working fine before
[20:56] <Taggnostr4> Maybe I should just buy a new computer...
[20:56] <BluesKaj_> wldcordeiro_:  try launchpad kubuntu-bacports ppa , https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[20:58] <BluesKaj_> Taggnostr4:  apt-get install nvidia-340 for example should work , but the driver manager in system settings should find the recommended driver for you
[20:58] <Taggnostr4> Neither work
[20:58] <Taggnostr4> I can't get the GUI to work -- that's why I'm installing the nvidia driver
[20:59] <Taggnostr4> But now that is not working either
[21:00] <BluesKaj_> tell us what you mean "not working"
[21:00] <BluesKaj_> what exactly are you doing
[21:01] <Taggnostr4> Some packages could not be installed
[21:02] <Taggnostr4> This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of incoming
[21:02] <BluesKaj_> have you updated & upgraded since installing 14.10?
[21:02] <Taggnostr4> I'm from live USB
[21:03] <BluesKaj_> then choose install kubuntu
[21:03] <Taggnostr4> I can't get to the GUI
[21:03] <Taggnostr4> Before I managed to get there by installing the nvidia drivers and doing startx
[21:04] <Taggnostr4> But now when I try to apt-get them I get that error
[21:04] <BluesKaj_> you can't apt-get install on the live-usb
[21:05] <Taggnostr4> I'm pretty sure I did it before
[21:06] <BluesKaj_> it won't install on your HDD or on the usb, you have to use kubuntu/ubiquity installer to install the OS
[21:07] <Taggnostr4> I installed it just to get to the GUI
[21:07] <Taggnostr4> I'll try again with the network installer
[21:08] <BluesKaj_> anyway gotta go
[21:14] <pkulas> My mp3 player won't mount  at Linux, really strange, It mounts but only partial of partition and read only
[21:29] <Pandorian> system-config-samba not working under kubuntu, what is the alternative?
[21:39] <blubberbop> So I first upgraded 14.10 to 15.04, which was a disaster, all dead.. So this morning I did a fresh install, and I"m still stuck with a laundry list of problems.. I guess most important is now that sddm seesms to either freeze or segfault right when its trying to load the kubuntu desktop..Is this a known problem?
[21:40] <Pandorian> are you on virtualbox?
[21:40] <blubberbop> Also, very anoying, I use full system encryption, and at startup I have to enter a password for disk and one for swap (even though they are the same? Can't I just do with one??) and then while working, for even the smallest things, I get this error:
[21:40] <blubberbop> Password entry required for 'Please enter passphrase for disk kubuntu--vg-swap_1 (cryptswap1) on none!' (PID 9550). Please enter password with the systemd-tty-ask-password-agent tool!
[21:40] <blubberbop> And that is currently at a spam level, any idea how I can make that stop/
[21:40] <blubberbop> ?
[21:40] <Pandorian> i am on vbox and i just recovered from my disaster by reinstalling 14.10
[21:41] <Pandorian> even a fresh install of 15 doesn't work on vbox
[21:41] <Pandorian> i lost so much work i put into making it look good
[21:42] <Pandorian> all that time just wasted away
[21:43] <blubberbop> From what I"ve heard around, upgrading 14.10 to 15.04 simply does not work, at all..
[21:43] <blubberbop> Even the fresh install is unstable at best for me
[21:44] <blubberbop> Closing lid should suspend, but instead does a kernel panic (I think, I see the CAPS key flashing rapidly, and the screen is black and the system is unresponsive, until I press 4 second powerbutton
[21:45] <Pandorian> oh good thing you told me, cuz i was gonna try to install it as secondary os instead of vbox
[21:45] <blubberbop> system settings auto start for some reason does not start any app at all.. When I check the list that contained amarok, chrome, komodo, quassel,yakuake, I see only chrome (which does not started anyway) and quassel (which did not start either)
[21:45] <Pandorian> system-config-samba not working under kubuntu 14.10, what is the alternative?
[21:46] <blubberbop> Logging into GUI desktop crashes (sddm segfault) or freezes 3 out of 4 times
[21:46] <howlymowly> hi everyone, short question: is it somehow possible to install plasma 5.3 with the 14.04 lts?
[21:46] <blubberbop> Pandorian: since 15.04 is systemd, I guess its all taken over by systemd stuff, like systemctl
[21:46] <Pandorian> no, you have to upgrade to 14.10 first
[21:47] <howlymowly> pandorian: no, i mean via backports or somethingnlike that
[21:47] <blubberbop> kwallet initialized, I put the password I always put there, all works.. reboot, kwallet asks password, but does not recognize it.. I remove the main wallet, put a new one.. password, reboot, same problem..
[21:47] <Pandorian> not sure, sorry
[21:49] <blubberbop> And on a personal level, I don't like the design of kde5, I put oxygen back.. Again, this is just a personal taste.. Either way, there are no templates yet, so I'm stuck with most of the design, I can use any (semi) transparent desktop bars and stuff yet..
[21:49] <blubberbop> So yeah, so far, 15.04 has not been a great success for me, yet.. Really hoping for a great bug fix update soon
[21:56] <blacksad> hello i need help Kubuntu 14.10 to 15.04 Upgrade
[21:56] <blacksad> after d reboot after splash plasma screen have a dark windows with only mouse cursor any idea ?
[21:57] <blacksad> i have remove kde nothing
[21:57] <blacksad> i think is nouveau nvidia driver was installed during upgrade befor i have vga
[21:57] <Pandorian> yes we're all having the same problem, it's not working, go back to kde4
[21:58] <Pandorian> we've all been tricked
[21:58] <blacksad> for information no i have installed any specific software only cd install and upgrade to
[21:58] <Pandorian> hey it's not like you can ask for your money back lol
[21:59] <blacksad> Pandorian, yes i want but the problem in f or f i can't connect any login and password work
[21:59] <blacksad> he work in plasma connect but not in console
[21:59] <blacksad> in rescue mode root i can't acces to apt-get mirror :/
[22:00] <blacksad> i think they are a big bug
[22:00] <blacksad> my boot log is ok
[22:00] <blacksad> but after plasma connection black windows
[22:01] <blacksad> same thing in  and  kernel
[22:01] <blacksad> 3.16 and 3.19 kernel
[22:02] <blacksad> same
[22:02] <nfk|laptop> someone asked this almost a week ago and i asked some days later but what's the correct or a good way to do color management with kwin 5?
[22:02] <blacksad> i think trouble is nouveau or nvidia drivers
[22:03] <nfk|laptop> oyranos is not supported anymore on kubuntu, it seems
[22:03] <pkulas> Is possible to add places to dolphin manual? I know that adding them by dolphin is bugged and doesn't work, maybe any1 have a solution.
[22:04] <blacksad> nobody have see this blackwindows ?
[22:04] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, not on this terrible radeon failure with r600, no
[22:05] <blacksad> i have the latest nvidia card 980 gtx
[22:05] <nfk|laptop> and i went from default glx and opengl 2.1 (or 2.x) to egl with 3.x as well
[22:05] <blacksad> but that doesn't matter to work in vga mode
[22:05] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, you must use the nvidia blob certainly
[22:05] <nfk|laptop> as for the rest, should hopefully work
[22:05] <nfk|laptop> though i hear kwin devs are mostly using nouveau
[22:06] <nfk|laptop> which is a bit weird given that some features are unusably slow with it
[22:06] <blacksad> yes during upgrade i see nvidia install but before i haven't installed because work in vga
[22:06] <nfk|laptop> in what?
[22:06] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, there should be a proprietary driver manager in your control panel
[22:07] <nfk|laptop> open that and if it shows nvidia blob unticked, tick it and press apply or whatever there is
[22:07] <blacksad> just for sure i have juste installed only cd standard nothing
[22:07] <Taggnostr4> blacksad, I got black screen after login
[22:07] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, please speak english, you're not making much sense now
[22:07] <blacksad> no nvidia driver ni other software
[22:07] <Taggnostr4> Seems quite common apparently
[22:07] <blacksad> after i make upgrade Kubuntu 14.10 to 15.04 Upgrade
[22:07] <blacksad> and blackscreen appear
[22:07] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, i hope you reinstalled
[22:08] <blacksad> yes black screen only after login
[22:08] <nfk|laptop> or were using plasma 2 before upgrade
[22:08] <blacksad> not only standard dvd install
[22:08] <blacksad> i have not make any adds !
[22:08] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, are you using google translate?
[22:08] <blacksad> i am french
[22:09] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, and i presume there's no #kubuntu-fr or it's inactive?
[22:09] <blacksad> exactly
[22:09] <blacksad> 1/ dvd install
[22:09] <blacksad> 2/ upgrade
[22:09] <blacksad> 3/login ok
[22:09] <blacksad> 4/black screen
[22:10] <Taggnostr4> Fwiw I didn't find a solution and I'm going back to 14.10
[22:10] <blacksad> i haven't installed driver or adds
[22:10] <blacksad> i have just make Kubuntu 14.10 to 15.04 Upgrade
[22:10] <blacksad> 1st time work fine
[22:10] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, one moment
[22:10] <blacksad> after reboot and login plasma
[22:10] <blacksad> log ok
[22:11] <blacksad> and after splash
[22:11] <blacksad> blackscreen
[22:11] <blacksad> i only see my mouse cursor
[22:11] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, then try deleting ~/.config/kwinrc
[22:11] <nfk|laptop> it should hopefully let you log in then
[22:12] <blacksad> i try to delete this
[22:12] <nfk|laptop> and then check if you're using the nvidia driver and also fiddle around with opengl version and egl/glx
[22:12] <blacksad> i have just try to delete .kde
[22:12] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, no, it's not used by kwin
[22:12] <blacksad> ok i delete kwinrc
[22:12] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, but you can also do rm ~/.kde/share/config/kwin*
[22:13] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, from ~/.config/, yes?
[22:13] <nfk|laptop> kwin 5 keeps it's config under .config not .kwin
[22:13] <blacksad> i can acces at / by other linux distro
[22:13] <blacksad> and remove that you want :D
[22:13] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, in case if you're wondering ~/ is /home/your_username/
[22:14] <blacksad> i have understand i practice linux during 12 years :D
[22:14] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, if you have deleted those files, try agian
[22:14] <nfk|laptop> *again
[22:14] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, also next time try Ctrl+Alt+F1 if you get black windows
[22:15] <nfk|laptop> if it hasn't hung completely, it should give you a tt1
[22:15] <nfk|laptop> *tty1
[22:15] <nfk|laptop> you can log in from that and operate from CLI
[22:15] <nfk|laptop> with that, good luck
[22:16] <blacksad> i ahve remove /home.config kwinrc
[22:16] <nfk|laptop> then reboot
[22:16] <nfk|laptop> and it was /home/blacksad/.config/kwinrc, yes?
[22:16] <blacksad> not yet
[22:16] <blacksad> yes
[22:17] <blacksad> same pc i reboot and come back
[22:17] <blacksad> but in alt f1 tty login and pass not work
[22:17] <blacksad> i reboot and come back
[22:17] <nfk|laptop> why?
[22:17] <nfk|laptop> or did you mean if?
[22:17] <blacksad> i don't understand that because in plasma they work
[22:18] <blacksad> and i have see locale is good
[22:18] <blacksad> but tty login fail
[22:18] <blacksad> i reboot and come back to see if resolve
[22:20] <SvenOostenbrink> test
[22:20] <SvenOostenbrink> Also, why does Quassel keep changing my nickname? This is kinda of anoying..
[22:20] <phoenixz> test
[22:20] <phoenixz> yay
[22:22] <phoenixz> At install of 15.04 I opted for encrypted filesystem, and now for every tiny stupid detail, I have ubuntu asking me for the swap password.. ITs like using windows, 2 hours and I am already thinking about reinstall.. Is there any way to make Kubuntu shut up about this swap encryption password?
[22:22] <phoenixz> Also, I can just press enter, and nothing of importance seems to happen anyway, I just get the stupid notifications..
[22:22] <blacksad> same trouble
[22:23] <blacksad> i have no data and in tty login pass not work but work in plasma scren i see cursor of mouse and nothing :/
[22:24] <blacksad> black screen again
[22:25] <blacksad> i think is nouveau or nvidia wrong configue
[22:25] <blacksad> i see X in login
[22:26] <blacksad> x cursor
[22:26] <blacksad> and mouse cursor
[22:26] <blacksad> but all black
[22:27] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, last attempt
[22:28] <nfk|laptop> open that .config/kwinrc with a text editor and try this
[22:28] <blacksad> my graphic card is 980 gtx the lates nvidia card
[22:28] <blacksad> ok i open
[22:29] <nfk|laptop> find line Backend=OpenGL and change to Backend=XRender
[22:30] <blacksad> [Compositing]
[22:30] <blacksad> Backend=XRender
[22:30] <blacksad> OpenGLIsUnsafe=false
[22:30] <blacksad> [Desktops]
[22:30] <blacksad> Number=1
[22:30] <nfk|laptop> save, reboot and hope for the best
[22:30] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, was it already XRender?
[22:30] <blacksad> yes
[22:30] <nfk|laptop> fuck
[22:30] <nfk|laptop> Well, try OpenGL? :P
[22:30] <nfk|laptop> also there's no way in hell XRender should fail
[22:30] <blacksad> i try OpenGl no number ?
[22:31] <blacksad> OpenGL3
[22:31] <nfk|laptop> Backend=OpenGL
[22:31] <nfk|laptop> Sure, nouveau has OpenGL 3 while nVidia has 4.4 or 4.5 if that exists
[22:31] <nfk|laptop> 3 will work with both
[22:32] <blacksad> i reboot with openGL
[22:32] <nfk|laptop> OpenGL
[22:32] <nfk|laptop> spelling is important here
[22:32] <nfk|laptop> well, capitalisation
[22:32] <blacksad> i think the good way is to delete nouveau to nvidia but i haven't acces to tty login :/
[22:32] <blacksad> i reboot and come back SSD is quickly lol
[22:36] <blacksad> re same :/
[22:36] <blacksad> sure is nouveau mistake configuration
[22:37] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, but why can't you log in via tty1?
[22:37] <nfk|laptop> can't you actually switch from log in screen
[22:37] <blacksad> i see all splash scren with reboot login kubuntu but not the desktop is black :D
[22:37] <nfk|laptop> or Ctrl+Alt+F2 for tty2
[22:37] <nfk|laptop> just be sure to use your username not root
[22:37] <blacksad> yes not work always say fail
[22:38] <blacksad> i have verifyng adduser
[22:38] <nfk|laptop> fail? on tty?
[22:38] <blacksad> is correct
[22:38] <nfk|laptop> i did not understand you there
[22:38] <blacksad> yes login bip pass bip fail wrong password
[22:38] <blacksad> but is the same of plasma and work
[22:39] <blacksad> i have verifyng locale and is good letter is ok
[22:39] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, are you using the same username and password as in graphical log in? are you sure it's not Damien in GUI while your actual username is damien for example?
[22:39] <blacksad> tomorow i tray to add a new user for see
[22:39] <nfk|laptop> or qwerty as your username
[22:39] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, how? chroot? that's advanced stuff
[22:39] <blacksad> yes sure i have trying 30 login and pass :D
[22:40] <nfk|laptop> impossible
[22:40] <nfk|laptop> it has to work
[22:40] <blacksad> not chroot i have archlinux and acces at all partition :D
[22:40] <nfk|laptop> maybe you're just tired? or caps lock is off and your password includes numbers?
[22:40] <blacksad> i can edit in root mod all configuration of kubuntu
[22:40] <blacksad> not sure of that !
[22:41] <blacksad> exactly the same pass in plasma
[22:41] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, i'm not sure you can easily add users by hand, it's possible but would require very good understanding of Linux
[22:41] <blacksad> same login
[22:41] <nfk|laptop> chroot would be a lot easier
[22:41] <blacksad> all in minuscule
[22:42] <blacksad> yes chroot but tomorow
[22:42] <phoenixz> At install of 15.04 I opted for encrypted filesystem, and now for every tiny stupid detail, I have ubuntu asking me for the swap password.. Its like using windows, use sudo, encrypted swap password?? 2 hours and I am already thinking about reinstall.. Is there any way to make Kubuntu shut up about this swap encryption password?
[22:42] <blacksad> your time is precious and very tired now
[22:42] <nfk|laptop> no idea, phoenixz, i don't use encryption
[22:43] <blacksad> for good understand in linux is ok i know some admin who make theyre linux from scratch :D nutyx zenwalk debian :D
[22:44] <blacksad> i have used all distribution under 12 years :D arch gentoo and LFS
[22:44] <CharlieTheCabbie> evening guys.
[22:44] <blacksad> first time i see this upgrade fail
[22:44] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, for chroot you don't need that, just mount the required file systems, not forgetting about /proc as procfs and /sys as sysfs iirc and mount -o,bind /dev /newroot/dev
[22:45] <nfk|laptop> then chroot /newroot /bin/bash and you should get in
[22:45] <CharlieTheCabbie> lordievader, you made my day.  The modeline is in xrandr, it works and switches directly in on boot.  I now have 1024*768 @75hz :)
[22:45] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, actually, systemd has chroot command, not sure what id does
[22:45] <nfk|laptop> *it does
[22:45] <blacksad> ok thanks
[22:45] <blacksad> my resolution is 3400 sic :D
[22:45] <nfk|laptop> CharlieTheCabbie, @75? good god, CRT?
[22:45] <CharlieTheCabbie> I still don't understand why the EDID on this monitor is bbb, but not a problem now.
[22:46] <blacksad> 27 inch dell ultrasharp 4k :D
[22:46] <CharlieTheCabbie> nfk|laptop, no, a flatpanel
[22:46] <nfk|laptop> ah, fairly interesting
[22:46] <CharlieTheCabbie> DELL E151FP
[22:46] <Taggnostr4> blacksad, did you find a solution?
[22:46] <blacksad> i use linux for 3d render and vector creation :D
[22:46] <nfk|laptop> that's a rare vertical refresh rate
[22:46] <CharlieTheCabbie> I have photosensitivity, below 75hz I can see the screen flicker
[22:46] <nfk|laptop> CharlieTheCabbie, it is a problem, edid contains more than modeline
[22:46] <blacksad> not but nfk|laptop help me :D
[22:47] <blacksad> i not understand why i have this blackscreen
[22:47] <nfk|laptop> CharlieTheCabbie, i'm pretty sure that's not photosensitivity :P
[22:47] <blacksad> and why tty login fail
[22:47] <CharlieTheCabbie> It's one of the reasons (besides a heart problem) that I had to surrender my driving license
[22:47] <Taggnostr4> I have one too, but tty works
[22:47] <nfk|laptop> CharlieTheCabbie, ouch
[22:48] <nfk|laptop> CharlieTheCabbie, though if you're french, it's probably for the better XD
[22:48] <blacksad> Taggnostr4, i am sure is a simple driver "nouveau" resolution problem
[22:48] <CharlieTheCabbie> blacksad, where do you encounter the blackscreen?  After sddm starts, or before?
[22:48] <blacksad> maybe because i have a very new nvidia card
[22:48] <CharlieTheCabbie> I had a nouveau problem, and xrandr has fixed that
[22:48] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, you can also ask nouveau for help but i'm pretty sure 980 is far too new to be well supported
[22:49] <Taggnostr4> Mine is very old
[22:49] <blacksad> blackscreen after the plasma login
[22:49] <CharlieTheCabbie> lordievader, do you have that link you posted for me earlier about Guerilla Linux?
[22:49] <blacksad> but i see mouse cursor
[22:49] <nfk|laptop> Taggnostr4, mine is old and radeon and 3rd party fake radeon
[22:49] <CharlieTheCabbie> blacksad, I had the same - have a shot at this.  What resolution and refresh rate do you want on your monitor?
[22:49] <blacksad> and when i make a reboot i see end splash with kubuntu logo
[22:49] <nfk|laptop> and my workstation has more than half a decade old fermi card
[22:49] <nfk|laptop> one of the few that have no reclocking at all
[22:50] <Taggnostr4> Blacksad, and you can't get into the tty?
[22:50] <blacksad> i see configuration progress in lauch but black screen after
[22:50] <Pandorian> is there a way to view a filtered log of the successfully executed terminal commands?
[22:50] <blacksad> yes no tty
[22:50] <blacksad> login pass fail
[22:50] <Taggnostr4> Blacksad, you get the tty but can't login?
[22:50] <blacksad> but of course i have trying the same login pass for plasma and they always use the same
[22:51] <CharlieTheCabbie> you have no tty either?  Do you have a recovery mode option in grub?
[22:51] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, what about username?
[22:51] <blacksad> yes Taggnostr4
[22:51] <blacksad> username ok pass i make and appear login at new
[22:51] <Taggnostr4> Blacksad, and you upgraded from 14.10?
[22:52] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, how do you know it's okay, it won't tell it's wrong username even if you enter skiddiks as your username
[22:52] <blacksad> exactly with no add !!
[22:52] <blacksad> only DVD install
[22:52] <nfk|laptop> login always denies the password even for non-exisiting users, iirc
[22:52] <blacksad> i have make update and upgrade that all
[22:52] <blacksad> i have never installed driver or software
[22:52] <CharlieTheCabbie> :/
[22:52] <blacksad> only the DVD base
[22:53] <blacksad> i use kubuntu for uefi boot and secure linux partition
[22:53] <CharlieTheCabbie> Let me find the link lordievader gave me.  Once you can get into a tty, use this to fix your mode.
[22:53] <nfk|laptop> CharlieTheCabbie, it's not a modeline issue
[22:53] <nfk|laptop> probably
[22:54] <nfk|laptop> he needs the nvidia blob most likely
[22:54] <CharlieTheCabbie> nfk|laptop, I had exactly the same problem with an nvidia driver.  This fixed it.  Worth a try if nothing else
[22:54] <CharlieTheCabbie> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/guerrilla-tactics-force-screen-mode-ubuntu
[22:54] <nfk|laptop> CharlieTheCabbie, did your kubuntu already come with nvidia installed?
[22:55] <nfk|laptop> also note that he's has the mouse cursor, that means it hasn't gone completely bollocks
[22:55] <CharlieTheCabbie> Yes - initially upgrade from 1404 to 1410 to 1504, then had to reinstall from full iso on USB
[22:55] <Taggnostr4> I'm going to try too
[22:55] <nfk|laptop> which together with the fact that it's a very modern... blacksad, can you install an older video adapter?
[22:56] <nfk|laptop> just replace your gtx 980 with something older if you have one
[22:56] <nfk|laptop> like 760 or something
[22:56] <CharlieTheCabbie> that's the only difference nfk|laptop - mine is a super extra triple old adapter, with sprinkles.
[22:56] <nfk|laptop> CharlieTheCabbie, i doubt you can beat my gts 450
[22:56] <blacksad> older is possible yes
[22:56] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, nvidia?
[22:56] <CharlieTheCabbie> nVidia GeForce 6200 Turbocache
[22:56] <blacksad> my configuration is
[22:56] <nfk|laptop> CharlieTheCabbie, holy...
[22:57] <CharlieTheCabbie> yep.
[22:57] <blacksad> msi x99 sli cpu i7 2013
[22:57] <nfk|laptop> i'm getting goosebumps thinking how slow that has to be
[22:57] <blacksad> ssd 1to
[22:57] <blacksad> nvidia 980gtx
[22:57] <CharlieTheCabbie> it's fast enough for what I want :)
[22:57] <nfk|laptop> CharlieTheCabbie, even my previous adapter was 7600 GT
[22:57] <nfk|laptop> and before that geforce 2/mx 400
[22:58] <blacksad> and i have make any modification of dvd my /home is clear no data :D just make upgarde and loss my kubuntu :D
[22:58] <CharlieTheCabbie> My PC is a wysiwyg, what's in it is what I got.
[22:58] <nfk|laptop> you can't beat that peace of poop unless you find some radeon with it's C# control panel and 128 MB RAM
[22:58] <CharlieTheCabbie> It only cost £25, I ain't arguing.
[22:59] <CharlieTheCabbie> Anyway blacksad, you've installed absolutely nothing other than the DVD, right?
[22:59] <nfk|laptop> CharlieTheCabbie, i'm pretty sure you can get a raspbery pi 2 for that price
[22:59] <nfk|laptop> which is probably no worse than that
[22:59] <CharlieTheCabbie> :)
[22:59] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, what about the older video adapter?
[23:00] <blacksad> Intel Core i7 5930K 	MSI X99S SLI PLUS  Corsair Vengeance LPX Black DDR4 4 x 4 Go 3000 MHz CAS 15 	1 	
[23:00] <blacksad> Noctua NH-D15 	1 	
[23:00] <blacksad> Western Digital WD Red Pro - 4 To 	1 	
[23:00] <blacksad> Asus GeForce GTX 980 STRIX OC - 4 Go 	1 	
[23:00] <blacksad> Samsung Serie 850 EVO - 1 To 	1 	
[23:00] <blacksad> StarTech.com Câble verrouillable DisplayPort (M/M) - 2 m
[23:00] <unopaste> blacksad you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[23:00] <nfk|laptop> CharlieTheCabbie, also gonna use like 4 less power usage
[23:00] <nfk|laptop> or rather 100 times
[23:01] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, that's your current system but do you have an old GPU?
[23:01] <nfk|laptop> like some nvidia that's from 600 or 700 or even 400 series?
[23:01] <blacksad> CharlieTheCabbie, yes nothing other dvd !!
[23:01] <blacksad> no driver no applications no data in home
[23:02] <blacksad> only dvd install
[23:02] <blacksad> update
[23:02] <blacksad> and upgrade !
[23:02] <blacksad> that the reason i speak with you of this problem :D
[23:02] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, but did you install an nvidia driver? or are you using nouveau?
[23:02] <blacksad> that is i think the problem
[23:03] <nfk|laptop> which one are you using?
[23:03] <blacksad> when i have installing dvd 14.10
[23:03] <blacksad> i work in vga mod because no detecting any nvidia driver
[23:03] <nfk|laptop> blacksad, is your kubuntu 15.04 using nvidia or nouveau?
[23:03] <blacksad> but after upgarde i see a good resolution
[23:03] <blacksad> i think upgrade installing noouveau
[23:04] <nfk|laptop> do you have an older GPU?
[23:04] <nfk|laptop> or an iGPU though i7 generally do not
[23:04] <blacksad> yues but not this night
[23:05] <blacksad> not in new i7 no have intel vga card
[23:05] <nfk|laptop> then you can replace your gtx 980 with the older card, install the nvidia driver and then put back in the gtx 980
[23:05] <blacksad> but i have an other nvidia card 240M
[23:05] <blacksad> older gtx
[23:05] <nfk|laptop> 240M should be a mobile card....
[23:05] <nfk|laptop> wait, adapter, it's not even a card
[23:05] <blacksad> gtx240
[23:06] <blacksad> i have a 680 so :D
[23:06] <nfk|laptop> sure, try that just note that you will need DIFFERENT VERSION of nvidia driver
[23:06] <nfk|laptop> 680 is very good
[23:06] <blacksad> yes !!
[23:06] <nfk|laptop> almost certainly the same driver as 980
[23:06] <blacksad> but i make render blender that the reason i take a 980 :D
[23:06] <blacksad> in archlinux work fine :D
[23:07] <nfk|laptop> install nvidia driver with 680 and then swap that for 980, should just work
[23:07] <blacksad> yes i try this tomorow and say you in irc
[23:08] <nfk|laptop> sure
[23:08] <blacksad> i am sure is nouveau trouble
[23:08] <nfk|laptop> goodnight
[23:08] <blacksad> thanks for help
[23:09] <blacksad> and see you tomorow :D
[23:09] <blacksad> i think in upgrade is a good way to blacklist nouveau :D
[23:09] <blacksad> for the other guy
[23:10] <blacksad> i think is better to have vga and installin after nouveau or nvidia or amd catalys after upgrade
[23:10] <CharlieTheCabbie> sorry about that, my connection fell over. :(
[23:12] <blacksad> thanks CharlieTheCabbie for the help tomorow i try with 680 gtx nvidia
[23:13] <blacksad> install nvidia driver and reinstall 980gtx for sure that resolve the troubleshooting
[23:13] <blacksad> i am sure during upgrade vga split to nouveau
[23:13] <blacksad> i think blacklist noouveau is a good way
[23:14] <blacksad> and let people reinstalling good driver after upgrade
[23:19] <blacksad> good night at all and see you tomorow :D
[23:19] <blacksad> and good life with linux :D
[23:25] <Taggnostr4> CharlieTheCabbie, the output of xrandr looks OK here
[23:38] <Taggnostr4> Anyone has any other idea that could fix the black screen?
[23:40] <CharlieTheCabbie> sorry once again - my new wifi adaper (ra0 - RT2870STA) is being a pain in the behind. It keeps dropping connection to my router; I did build the adapter from the mt7601 source on github, so I may look and see if it's patched anywhere
[23:45] <Taggnostr4> Charlie, the output from xrandr looks OK here
[23:46] <Taggnostr4> What does kwin do? Are there other alternatives?