[05:15] <Kilos> morning everyone
[05:38] <Jacques_Stry> Morning
[05:38] <Jacques_Stry> Maaz: Kettle on
[05:38] <Maaz> Jacques_Stry: Sorry...
[05:38] <Jacques_Stry> ah...
[05:39] <Kilos> hi Jacques_Stry  
[05:39] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[05:39]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[05:39] <Jacques_Stry> Hi Kilos
[05:39] <Kilos> now do coffee please
[05:43] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[05:43] <Jacques_Stry> Maaz coffee on ?
[05:43]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[05:43] <Jacques_Stry> yay
[05:44] <Kilos> when someone else has started with coffee on you do Maaz  coffee please and he adds you to the list
[05:44] <Jacques_Stry> I C
[05:45] <Kilos> he acn also call others when you make by typing maaz coffee for all
[05:45] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee for all
[05:45] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[05:47] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Jacques_Stry!
[05:56] <Jacques_Stry> Maaz: Thank You
[05:56] <Maaz> Jacques_Stry: No problem
[05:57] <Kilos> nuvolari_  ping
[06:24] <Kilos> inetpro  prepare to chair, nuvo snowed under but will let me know this avy if he can be available tonight
[06:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> its 2015 and I still have to muck around with xrandr scripts to get a dual-screen desktop working
[06:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> but I'm sure this is the year of Linux on the desktop
[06:47] <Kilos> lets hope
[06:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> whoosh
[06:55] <Squirm> Morning
[06:56] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[06:59] <Padroni> Morning all
[06:59] <Kilos> hi Padroni  
[07:01] <Padroni> hoe gaan dit?
[07:03] <Kilos> goed dankie en self?
[07:03] <Kilos> net koud
[07:09] <Padroni>  selfde hier
[07:10] <Kilos> hehe
[07:10] <Padroni> was gister by die Checkers Cheese & Wine festival in Stellenbosch
[07:10] <Padroni> baie lekker
[07:10] <Padroni> net baie mense
[07:10] <Padroni> maklik 10K mense daar gewees, en dit op dag 4 van die fees
[07:10] <Kilos> ek is baie lief vir kaas maar dit is duur nou man
[07:10] <Padroni> daar was te veel om van alles te kon proe
[07:10] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:11] <Kilos> ek hou tot van daai kaas wat baie se is vrot
[07:11] <Kilos> gorgonzola en so aan'
[07:12] <Padroni> ek het ophou tel na 'n ruk
[07:12] <Padroni> te veel
[07:13] <Padroni> het nie juis baie wyn geproe nie
[07:13] <Padroni> maar het wel 'n bottel Muskadel gekoop
[07:13] <Kilos> lol
[07:13] <Padroni> wat nice is
[07:13] <Kilos> ek onthou min van wyn en drank maar old brown was vir my lekker
[07:14] <Padroni> dit raak nou weer winter
[07:14] <Padroni> #soon
[07:15] <Kilos> ja ons was 10°c vanoggend
[07:28] <SilverCode> anyone using Neotel and having issues with Google?
[07:28] <Kilos> Jacques_Stry  is each person going to install their own booktype on a server or are you guys going to use one server for it
[07:29] <Kilos> im just trying to follow the patroon
[07:36] <Jacques_Stry> From what I understand one server for all except those with limited internet access
[07:38] <Kilos> ah ok ty for that
[07:43] <barrydk> More almal
[07:43] <Kilos> hi barrydk  
[07:43] <Kilos> waar is die mazal outjie
[07:45] <barrydk> Hy sit hier en slaap
[07:47] <Kilos> klap hom
[07:48] <Kilos> die wegbly storie is stout van hom
[08:05] <Kilos> hi psyatw  
[08:06] <psyatw> hi Kilos 
[08:44] <mazal> Morning everyone
[08:44] <Kilos> hi mazal  wb
[08:59] <Squirm> Anything interesting happening today?
[09:05] <Padroni> New (old) Wordpress vulnerabilities discoverd.  People loosing their heads
[09:05] <Padroni> all over 
[09:05] <Padroni> again
[09:05] <Padroni> *yawn*
[09:06] <Kilos> meeting tonight Squirm  
[09:08] <Kilos> the pro will chair so we get to be naughty and give him a hard time
[09:19] <Kilos> morning superfly  
[09:19] <superfly> hi Kilos
[09:20] <superfly> Padroni: WordPress vulnerabilities *yawn*
[09:20] <Padroni> eh?
[09:20] <Padroni> sorry, what now superfly?
[09:21] <superfly> Padroni: WordPress is one big fat vulnerability, so whether it's a new one or an old one, I'm never surprised
[09:22] <Padroni> not really
[09:22] <Padroni> it is actually possible to secure it
[09:22] <Padroni> more than Joomla in any case
[09:22] <Padroni> but people are too lazy to update 
[09:22] <Padroni> which is the real cause for so many WP issues
[09:23] <Kilos> Symmetria  ping
[09:23] <Kilos> is this your mirror http://ke.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-backports/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages
[09:29] <Kilos> Maaz  is http://ke.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-backports/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages down
[09:30] <Kilos> Maaz  hi
[09:30] <Maaz> Sup Kilos
[10:07] <Padroni> anyone know a reliable SSH command to remove bounced messages form a Exim mail queue?
[10:07] <Padroni> I know how to remove frozen mails 
[10:07] <Padroni> but not bounced
[10:08] <Padroni> One at a time, folks...
[10:09] <Jacques_Stry> haha
[10:09] <Padroni> hey J
[10:09] <Padroni> hoe gaan dit
[10:10] <Jacques_Stry> Goed en jy
[10:12] <Padroni> busy busy busy
[10:40] <Kilos> hi kulelu88  Trixar_za  CuttingEdge  
[10:41] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[10:41] <CuttingEdge> greetings
[11:12] <magespawn> good day all
[11:12]  * Jacques_Stry waves
[11:12] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[11:15] <Kilos> Maaz  announce meeting tonight right here at 2030
[11:15] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye! meeting tonight right here at 2030
[11:16] <Kilos> magespawn  have you noticed the pros latest tactic?
[11:16] <Kilos> he is sure to slip RTFS into every discussion
[11:16] <Kilos> oh and he fixed QA
[11:18] <Kilos> or anyway the way to install ibid on 14.04 and later
[11:21] <Kilos> he is so clever my pro but so fulla
[11:22] <magespawn> ah well, lets give him a bit of latitude shall we?
[11:23] <Kilos> hehe yeah
[11:23] <Kilos> he is lod after all
[11:23] <Kilos> old
[11:25] <Kilos> oh no he must finish his wiki page and apply for membership
[11:26] <Kilos> no rest for the wicked
[11:26] <magespawn> next thing you know you will be getting on my case again
[11:27] <Kilos> haha i know you have big plans that are using all your resources atm
[11:28] <Kilos> check the numbers
[11:28] <Kilos> must be a midday record
[11:29] <magespawn> yup
[11:29] <magespawn> that an i still have so much to learn
[11:29] <Kilos> yeah thats why i dont nag you
[11:29] <Kilos> YET
[11:30] <magespawn> lol
[13:56] <magespaw1> later all
[13:57] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:26] <Squirm> netsplit
[14:26] <Squirm> no
[14:26] <Squirm> People just aren't chatting :P
[14:27] <Kilos> yeah and bad connections all over
[15:17] <Kilos> hi8 Guest49195  
[15:18] <Guest49195> hi
[15:18] <Guest49195> Im Rusty
[15:18] <Guest49195> but been here a long time ago
[15:18] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[15:18] <Kilos> hi rusty
[15:18] <Kilos> i  cant remember you
[15:19] <Guest49195> the time for the meeting is 8-30?
[15:19] <Kilos> do  you remember me?
[15:19] <Guest49195> Nope?
[15:19] <Kilos> yes thats right, will you be here?
[15:19] <Kilos> ok then maybe you were befor me
[15:19] <Guest49195> will try
[15:20] <Kilos> we are here all day and most of the nights too
[15:20] <Kilos> you can just hang here
[15:20] <Guest49195> Im just an ubuntu use for some 8 years
[15:20] <Guest49195> but know no programming
[15:20] <Guest49195> how do I change my name to Rusty?
[15:21] <Kilos> nor do i, but if you need help someone here will be able to help
[15:21] <Guest49195> from guest...
[15:21] <Kilos>  type in /nick Rusty
[15:21] <Guest49195> Ok
[15:22] <Guest49195> didnt work yet
[15:22] <Kilos> start with the /
[15:22] <Guest49195> will try again
[15:22] <Guest49195> nope
[15:22] <Kilos> wow
[15:23] <Kilos> ill do it
[15:23] <Guest49195> Ok
[15:23] <Kilos> ah it says its unavailablr
[15:23] <Kilos> add a bit
[15:24] <Guest49195> Ok - what now?
[15:24] <Kilos> like rustyjoe or rusty 547 ot something
[15:24] <Guest49195> O
[15:24] <Kilos> looks like someone has registered it before
[15:25] <Guest49195> It will be me
[15:25] <Kilos> do you remember your password you used?
[15:25] <Guest49195> it was long ago, but I can try
[15:26] <Guest49195> Bu
[15:27] <Guest49195> but where will I use it?
[15:27] <Guest49195> sorry, Im bugging you, but Im a bit lost with irc
[15:27] <Kilos> then you do /msg nickserv identify password i think
[15:28] <Kilos> not a prob
[15:29] <Kilos> but also if you havent used the nick for 4 months or so they let someone else claim it
[15:30] <Guest49195> naw, its  been years for me
[15:30] <Guest49195> Ok
[15:30] <Kilos> add some numbers
[15:30] <Guest49195> Ill try something
[15:30] <Kilos> ok
[15:30] <Kilos> pietman is good too
[15:31] <rusty10> ok 
[15:31] <CuttingEdge> from what i can tell, Rusty is registered to a user using an australian email address
[15:31] <Kilos> i dont know how to see what nicks are registered but inetpro  will know when he gets home
[15:32] <CuttingEdge> -NickServ- Registered : Dec 26 14:35:05 2005 (9y 17w 6d ago)
[15:32] <Kilos> see they gave it to someone else
[15:32] <CuttingEdge> -NickServ- Last seen  : Apr 28 13:02:57 2015 (2h 28m 0s ago)
[15:32] <rusty10> but this is Ok now
[15:32] <Kilos> ty CuttingEdge  
[15:32] <Kilos> ok now regster it
[15:33] <rusty10> how?
[15:33] <Kilos> CuttingEdge  help him please
[15:33] <CuttingEdge> rusty10: /nickserv register password email
[15:34] <rusty10> OK - will do so now
[15:34] <CuttingEdge> (use a valid email address, as there may be some sort of secondary authentication linked to registration)
[15:36] <Kilos> oh my superfly  do you see chance to chair? nuvo and pro snowed under
[15:36] <Kilos> pretty please
[15:36] <superfly> Ohi CuttingEdge 
[15:37] <CuttingEdge> superfly: greetings :)
[15:37] <superfly> Kilos: if my migraine goes away any time soon, I guess, but I'm on day 4
[15:37] <Kilos> oh my fly
[15:38] <Kilos> sleep till 2020
[15:39] <superfly> Kilos: you've clearly forgotten what it is like to have small kids. 
[15:40] <rusty10> OK - now im registered as rusty10 - thanx Kilos
[15:40] <Kilos> happy you won rusty10  
[15:40] <Kilos> oh ya superfly  
[15:40] <Kilos> oh my
[15:41] <Kilos> all i know is atrt and end meeting
[15:41] <CuttingEdge> in other news, i've taken over maintaining the Neology Ubuntu 'archive' mirror
[15:41] <Kilos> start
[15:41] <Kilos> yay CuttingEdge  i was looking for you
[15:41] <CuttingEdge> setup a 'release' mirror too now .. pending review
[15:41] <Kilos> a few times we pointed peeps to neology
[15:42] <CuttingEdge> Kilos: if anyone has problems with it, let me know
[15:42] <Kilos> and i couldnt remember who worked there
[15:42] <Kilos> i dont know how to get you iff you offline
[15:44] <CuttingEdge> i've updated the launchpad owner details for the mirror .. my contact details are there too now
[15:44] <CuttingEdge> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/ubuntu.mirror.neology.co.za-archive
[15:44] <CuttingEdge> the release mirror is here:
[15:44] <rusty10> Kilos, I see the list of names on a righthand column, but nothing to indicate who is up or not - but my previous guestname is in light grey
[15:44] <CuttingEdge> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/ubuntu.mirror.neology.co.za-release
[15:45] <Kilos> dont you want to join ubuntu-za on launchpad too
[15:45] <rusty10> Is the darker names online?
[15:46] <Kilos> nope rusty10  
[15:46] <Kilos> maybe for the meeting
[15:46] <rusty10> how do I know who is currently online?  Can I see it?
[15:47] <Kilos> what client are you using
[15:47] <rusty10> 'client'?
[15:47] <rusty10> rusty10
[15:47] <rusty10> ?
[15:47] <Kilos> ok what system first
[15:48] <rusty10> xchat
[15:48] <Kilos> ok then go to settings
[15:48] <rusty10> OK
[15:48] <CuttingEdge> Kilos: i've been part of the ubuntu-za group since 2013, apparently ;)
[15:48] <CuttingEdge> (according to launchpad)
[15:48] <Kilos> preferences
[15:49] <Kilos> yay CuttingEdge  please will you add yourself at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[15:50] <Kilos> rusty let me start other pc so i can see xchat
[15:50] <rusty10> text box
[15:50] <Kilos> somewhere there must be nick list
[15:51] <CuttingEdge> rusty10: try: /names #ubuntu-za
[15:51] <rusty10> OK
[15:52] <CuttingEdge> some clients might like: /who #ubuntu-za
[15:53] <Kilos> do you see user list
[15:53] <rusty10> no
[15:53] <Kilos> maybe you need to drag drop from the right hand side to open the user list window
[15:54] <rusty10> O, there is a right hand column
[15:54] <Kilos> yes
[15:54] <Kilos> all the nicks are in there
[15:55] <rusty10> are all those on-line at the moment?
[15:55] <Kilos> some will look grayed out
[15:55] <Kilos> thaey are away
[15:55] <rusty10> OK
[15:55] <Kilos> but all you see are connected
[15:56] <Kilos> at the bottom you should see 37 nicks
[15:56] <rusty10> I will come this evening, but I have recently move home and have a question
[15:56] <Kilos> thats good
[15:57] <Kilos> what is the question
[15:57] <rusty10> I now stay at Margate, and would like to know if there are other people using Linux or better still Ubuntu around here
[15:57] <rusty10> perhaps I should ask tonight.
[15:57] <Kilos> there was a guy at port shepstone but i havent seen him for a while
[15:58] <Kilos> you can go to our new website and join our mailing list
[15:58] <rusty10> I have to go now, but I will try to come tonight
[15:58] <Kilos> lots of the list guys dont use irc
[15:58] <Kilos> cool
[15:58] <rusty10> how do I log out?
[15:58] <rusty10> exept to close all
[15:59] <Kilos> top tick xchat and close
[16:01] <CuttingEdge> Kilos: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[16:01] <CuttingEdge> added myself to the bottom of the list
[16:01] <Kilos> wonderful ty CuttingEdge  
[16:03] <CuttingEdge> mentioned under the 'comments' section that i admin the neology mirror too - will make it easier to find/contact me should an issue arise
[16:03] <superfly> CuttingEdge: you know frostbite? 
[16:03] <Kilos> wonderful ty
[16:04] <superfly> Ag
[16:04] <superfly> Froztbyte or FroztyZA
[16:04] <CuttingEdge> superfly: he used to work here a while ago, before i started
[16:07] <superfly> Ah. Yeah, I've largely lost contact with him.
[16:08] <CuttingEdge> i'm sure i can track him down if you want to make contact again
[16:11] <superfly> nah, I have him on Facebook.
[16:12] <Kilos> aw superfly  i forgot about you
[16:12] <Kilos> and fb
[16:12] <superfly> So I see his movements occasionally. Just our areas of interest have largely diverved, I think :-)
[16:12] <superfly> *diverged
[16:12] <superfly> woo! my G2 has been shipped. hoping to get it tomorrow or thursday
[16:14]  * CuttingEdge ponders
[16:14] <CuttingEdge> now that i've had a good look, i actually recognize some of the nicknames here
[16:15] <CuttingEdge> mostly #clug users ;)
[16:15] <Kilos> no lug channels are friendly lik #ubuntu-za
[16:24] <Kilos> CuttingEdge  i read an article that says neology has gone ipv6 already
[16:24] <CuttingEdge> yeah, most of our 'stuff' is IPv6
[16:25] <Kilos> how do i get my 8ta connection to make use of ipv6
[16:26] <CuttingEdge> at this stage, you'd probably have to tunnel it
[16:26] <CuttingEdge> not sure if 8ta is IPv6 ready
[16:27] <Kilos> i will fone them a enguire
[16:28] <Kilos> my telkom mobile connection shows 4g is possible so who knows what a fone call will find
[16:29] <CuttingEdge> that reminds me .. ubuntu.mirror.neology.co.za is IPv6 ready too .. just noticed the AAAA record is incorrect
[16:29]  * CuttingEdge goes to update
[16:29] <Kilos> i go eat
[16:36] <georgelappies> hi all
[16:36] <georgelappies> Kilos there be two of you
[16:36] <gremble> Good evening
[16:36] <gremble> Good evening georgelappies 
[16:37] <Kilos> ya
[16:37] <Kilos> hi georgelappies  im just eating
[16:37] <Kilos> wbb soon
[16:37] <Kilos> hi gremble  
[16:37] <georgelappies> are you pulling a Gollum on us?
[16:37] <Kilos> lol
[16:38] <gremble> Kilos was probably alive when Tolkien wrote his books :P
[16:38] <Kilos> her books
[16:38] <gremble> Oh, You decided that he was a girl?
[16:38] <gremble> :P
[16:39] <Kilos> google
[16:39] <gremble> Lol
[16:39] <MaNI2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._R._Tolkien#/media/File:Tolkien_1916.jpg
[16:39] <MaNI2> if thats a girl then I don't know :p
[16:39] <Kilos> she was on some show one day
[16:39] <gremble> LOL
[16:40] <gremble> He died in 1973
[16:40] <gremble> I doubt that he was on shows
[16:40] <Kilos> its a her that wrote lord of the rings
[16:40] <Kilos> ill ask my sis when i finish eating
[16:40] <georgelappies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLvIFRNbqOs
[16:40] <gremble> Most certainly not :P
[16:41] <gremble> He did have a daughter, but I am unsure of what she would be famous for
[16:41] <gremble> Other than being from his loins
[16:42] <MaNI2> he wrote the hobbit for her, thats probably her largest achievement :p
[16:42] <gremble> That was an amazing book, so it is probably not a meager achievement
[16:43] <MaNI2> toob ad about the movies
[16:43] <gremble> I never watched the last movie
[16:43] <MaNI2> it can't be unseen unfortunately :(
[16:43] <gremble> They weren't horrible. Book is much better though
[16:43] <Kilos> forgive me oh wise ones im thinking of jk rowlinns
[16:43] <Kilos> 'rowlings or whatever
[16:43] <MaNI2> haha, harry potter
[16:43] <gremble> Yes, JK Rowling is a girl
[16:43] <gremble> :P
[16:43] <gremble> A very very rich one at that
[16:44] <Kilos> ya
[16:45] <georgelappies> no, no, no. JRR Tolkien was born in the Freestate in SA, he most definitely is male and any of his works by far surpasses the drivel we have seen lately marketed under the premise of high fantasy
[16:45] <georgelappies> me = Tolkien fan ;p
[16:45] <gremble> georgelappies has a slow internet connection :P
[16:45] <MaNI2> hehe
[16:46] <georgelappies> how do you know that gremble? ;p
[16:46] <gremble> Educated guess 
[16:46] <MaNI2> also a huge fan
[16:46] <georgelappies> anyhow, not talking so much about movies / tv series. Talking about books and the creation of the world the story is set in
[16:47] <MaNI2> of the books that is
[16:47] <gremble> Do you blow them cold?
[16:47] <MaNI2> the LOTR moviews were respectful at least
[16:47] <MaNI2> hobbit movies were an attrocity 
[16:47] <gremble> They are 12 hours of walking and hobbits doing slightly homosexual things
[16:48] <georgelappies> yeah, also enjoyed them. Hobbit was definitely atrocious MaNI2 
[16:50] <georgelappies> gremble, you have a warped perception of reality :)
[16:51] <gremble> It's a shame that you think there is an objective reality
[16:53] <Padroni> hi all
[16:53] <gremble> Hey Padroni 
[16:53]  * Padroni broke his Win7 using Kali 
[16:53] <Padroni> sadly Win7 wasn't the target
[16:53] <gremble> make the switch to Kali then
[16:53] <gremble> How'd you break it?
[16:54] <Padroni> not sure
[16:54] <Padroni> but everytime I use Kali, Win7 goes BSOD on boot
[16:54] <gremble> Oh. Is it a laptop?
[16:54] <Padroni> yup
[16:55] <gremble> Ah
[16:55] <gremble> Windows has a nasty habit of not shutting down on laptops
[16:55] <gremble> It suspends to RAM
[16:55] <georgelappies> lol, gremble that was a good come back
[16:55] <gremble> So when you boot with Kali, you erase the previous state of windows
[16:55] <gremble> Well...
[16:55] <gremble> Chrome just BSOD' my own machine
[16:55] <gremble> haha
[16:56] <Padroni> I tend to disable the 'hibernate' function completely
[16:56] <gremble> Anyway, so as the state is erased, windows freaks out and BSOD's
[16:56] <Padroni> but yeah
[16:56] <gremble> It is not hibernate
[16:56] <gremble> It is shitty OEM shit
[16:56] <Padroni> I don't care enough about Win7 to get upset
[16:56] <Padroni> i just reinstall
[16:56] <gremble> I don't think it is world breaking
[16:56] <gremble> It should be able to recover?
[16:56] <Padroni> if you have ANY experience with Windows, you're use to that part anyway
[16:57] <Padroni> nah, I am due to for a clean install
[16:57] <Padroni> only use windows because of games anyway
[16:57] <Padroni> so no harm
[16:57] <gremble> georgelappies: you didn't say anything that I would have to make a comeback to. Ad hominem attacks on my opinion mean nothing to me :P
[16:59] <gremble> And I was busy reading such an interesting article
[17:02] <Kilos> we had 44 peeps here at lunchtime now down to 38 again
[17:02] <Kilos> sigh
[17:02] <gremble> Hmm, this was quite a crash. Even ripped out the activation malware
[17:02] <Padroni> hi Kilos 
[17:02] <Kilos> you guys chased all my peeps
[17:02] <Kilos> hi Padroni  
[17:03] <Padroni> I was here most of the day
[17:03] <Padroni> but so busy
[17:03] <Padroni> and now busy with 2nd shift
[17:03] <Kilos> np being here is good
[17:03] <Kilos> many lurkers are better than an empty channel
[17:04] <Padroni> true
[17:04] <Padroni> but at least I say something stupid now and then
[17:04] <Kilos> haha
[17:04] <Padroni> or pick fights with the bot
[17:04] <gremble> Maaz will always win
[17:04] <Kilos> yeah
[17:04] <Padroni> #soon
[17:05] <Kilos> whats that mean
[17:05]  * Padroni wonders if Maaz is 3 laws ready...
[17:05] <gremble> It means he will beat it soon
[17:05] <gremble> He only knows one
[17:05] <Padroni> what ^ said
[17:05] <gremble> Don't burn the beans
[17:05] <Kilos> nono he has been here for years, part of the furniture already
[17:06] <Padroni> is it weird that I find it exciting to install a fresh copy of ubuntu?
[17:06] <gremble> Yes
[17:06]  * Padroni sighs
[17:06] <Kilos> nope
[17:06] <Kilos> its exilirating
[17:06] <gremble> Sir, do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Saviour, ArchLinux?
[17:06] <Padroni> I am actually looking at going straight-up debian on my laptop
[17:06] <Kilos> dunno how to spell that
[17:06] <Padroni> haha
[17:06] <Kilos> wb highvoltage  
[17:06] <Padroni> I have, indeed
[17:07] <Kilos> eeek traitor
[17:07] <highvoltage> o/
[17:07] <Kilos> mind you fly also does debian on one pc
[17:07]  * highvoltage too
[17:07] <Kilos> but i think its more work than ubuntu
[17:08] <Kilos> you too?
[17:08] <Kilos> oh my
[17:08] <gremble> I once had ubuntu on my computer for an entire week
[17:08] <highvoltage> yep, since 2011 or so
[17:08] <Kilos> gremble  your prob is
[17:09] <gremble> I didn't even know that I had a problem
[17:09] <Kilos> ubuntu is too mathematically advanced for you to work out the equation
[17:09] <Kilos> that thing
[17:09] <Padroni> All I know is
[17:09] <Padroni> I am in love with linux
[17:10] <gremble> linux just wants to be your friend though
[17:10] <Padroni> and I refuse to upgrade any further than Win7
[17:10] <Kilos> highvoltage  fly at least uses ubuntu on his others
[17:10] <gremble> Don't make it weird
[17:10] <Kilos> kde style
[17:10] <highvoltage> Kilos: I use Ubuntu too in many places
[17:10] <Kilos> yay thats good to know
[17:10] <gremble> I think my windows crack was thwarted
[17:10]  * gremble sighs
[17:11] <Kilos> inetpro  ping
[17:11] <gremble> Don't pirate. its bad
[17:11] <Kilos> you still at work
[17:12] <Kilos> highvoltage  have you had a look at the latest za creation
[17:12] <Kilos> http://ubuntu-africa.info
[17:12] <Kilos> courtesy of fly and friends
[17:12] <Kilos> hit reset a few times
[17:13] <highvoltage> yep, looked at it this morning
[17:13] <Kilos> who told you
[17:14] <gremble> Why don't you guys change the url in the topic?
[17:14] <Kilos> gremble  Padroni  highvoltage  is the founder of this channel
[17:14] <Kilos> to what
[17:14] <highvoltage> I think it was actually Vhata and/or linuxboy who found the channel. but that was before it even became active
[17:15] <Kilos> oh the skelms
[17:15] <highvoltage> Kilos: I think it was on g+
[17:15] <Kilos> oh maybe pro posted it
[17:15] <gremble> Why are they skelms?
[17:16] <Kilos> i thought they were watching us and not even coming to say hi
[17:16] <Kilos> i forgot pro sneaks things to G+
[17:16] <Padroni> hi highvoltage 
[17:17] <Padroni> I need to write something for compunation again but don't get time
[17:21] <Padroni> Hallo Hendrik
[17:21] <highvoltage> hi Padroni 
[17:21] <Kilos> hi Tonberry  
[17:22] <Tonberry> hello
[17:22] <Kilos> hi MaNI2  you joining us tonight
[17:22] <Kilos> ?
[17:27] <Kilos> wb CuttingEdge  
[17:27] <CuttingEdge> Kilos: ta
[17:46]  * Padroni lurks
[17:47] <Kilos> hehe
[17:47] <Kilos> lurk quietly so fly can rest
[17:52] <Padroni> the best thing about night shift
[17:52] <Padroni> is beer
[17:53] <CuttingEdge> the guys at the office declared it beer-hour at 16:30 already ;)
[17:53] <superfly> Maaz: hi
[17:53]  * Maaz waves to superfly
[17:53] <CuttingEdge> beer-o-clock even
[17:53]  * Padroni flashes his CV
[17:53] <Padroni> WHo do I give it to?
[17:53]  * Padroni sees he will fit in
[17:54] <superfly> heh. the best is when your CEO starts sipping a glass of white wine in an 11am meeting :-D
[17:54] <gremble> I once wrote a test drunk.
[17:55] <gremble> Don't do it
[17:55] <gremble> its bad mmkay
[17:55] <superfly> let me see if I can quickly brush up my meeting skills 
[17:55]  * Kilos hands fly a new brush
[17:56] <superfly> Kilos: thanks, my hair looks GREAT now
[17:56] <Kilos> lol
[17:57] <superfly> I wonder if I have permission...
[17:57] <superfly> Maaz: start meeting about Kilos and his nonsense
[17:57]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[17:57] <superfly> ha!
[17:57] <Kilos> yay
[17:57] <superfly> Maaz: agreed Kilos is naughty
[17:57] <Maaz> Agreed: Kilos is naughty
[17:57] <superfly> Maaz: agreed Kilos refuses to co-operate
[17:57] <Kilos> wow
[17:57] <Maaz> Agreed: Kilos refuses to co-operate
[17:57]  * Kilos lurks
[17:58] <superfly> Maaz: end meeting
[17:58] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[17:58] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-04-28-17-57-17.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-04-28-17-57-17.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-04-28-17-57-17.html
[17:58] <superfly> woo! great meeting everyone!
[17:58] <Kilos> lol
[17:58] <superfly> :-P
[18:00] <Kilos> hi Vince-0  wb
[18:00] <inetpro> good evening
[18:00] <Maaz> inetpro: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell inetpro prepare to chair, nuvo snowed under but will let me know this avy if he can be available tonight" 10 hours, 7 minutes and 38 seconds ago
[18:01] <Kilos> hi inetpro  wb you too
[18:01] <inetpro> problems at the office fixed, next problem?
[18:01] <Kilos> you home yet?
[18:01] <inetpro> yes
[18:01] <superfly> hi inetpro, Vince-0
[18:01] <Kilos> good man
[18:02] <superfly> Kilos: where are the previous meeting minutes?
[18:02] <Vince-0> Haai
[18:02] <inetpro> nice to see superfly has brushed up his meeting skills already
[18:02] <Kilos> we  need  to train another chair but anyone but me
[18:02] <CuttingEdge> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150324
[18:02] <CuttingEdge> ?
[18:02] <CuttingEdge> was just reading through it myself
[18:03] <inetpro> superfly: hmm... I didn't link back to them in the agenda?
[18:03] <inetpro> see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150324
[18:03] <superfly> thanks CuttingEdge, inetpro
[18:03] <superfly> inetpro: no, you didn't
[18:04] <Kilos> hi  magespawn  
[18:04] <Kilos> CuttingEdge  you keeping notes
[18:04] <superfly> hey Maaz
[18:04] <superfly> gah
[18:04] <superfly> hey magespawn
[18:04] <Kilos> lol
[18:05]  * inetpro goes to make some real coffee before the meeting
[18:05] <superfly> OK, I've got a little bit of coding to do before the meeting, I'll be back in 20 minutes
[18:05] <inetpro> and before reading the backlogs
[18:05] <Padroni> hi magespawn 
[18:05] <Kilos> cool superfly  
[18:06] <Padroni> hi inetpro superfly 
[18:07] <Padroni> ffs
[18:07] <Padroni> you go through the whole installation
[18:07] <Padroni> and it fails near the end
[18:07] <Kilos> ai!
[18:08] <magespawn> hi Kilos superfly 
[18:08] <magespawn> Hi Padroni 
[18:09] <Squirm> Hello
[18:09] <magespawn> hah the meeting, my brain is still on Monday
[18:09] <magespawn> hi Squirm 
[18:09] <Squirm> magespawn: lucky for you then, it's the end of Tuesday!
[18:09] <Squirm> 2 more nights until a long weekend :D
[18:10] <Kilos> CuttingEdge  how you announced to our list who you are?
[18:10] <Kilos> have
[18:11] <CuttingEdge> Kilos: negative
[18:11] <superfly> does he need to?
[18:11] <Kilos> https://ubuntu-za.org
[18:11] <Kilos> there is a link there by join us
[18:11] <Kilos> i think it might help if others know about neology superfly  
[18:12] <inetpro> yikes!
[18:12] <inetpro> Kilos: you talk too much
[18:12] <Kilos> often there are mail about failure to get upgrades done
[18:12] <Kilos> oh again
[18:12] <Vince-0> Maaz, I'm Vincent Swart
[18:12] <Maaz> Vince-0: *blink*
[18:12] <Vince-0> Maaz, I am Vincent Swart
[18:12] <Maaz> Vince-0: Excuse me?
[18:12] <Vince-0> lorlz
[18:12] <Kilos> too early Vince-0  
[18:12] <inetpro> how do you expect me to catch up?
[18:12] <Vince-0> it's been a while
[18:13] <superfly> Kilos: yes, true, but announce Neology, not himself
[18:13] <Kilos> well both seeing as he is running it
[18:13] <Kilos> he will get  the queries not neology
[18:14] <Kilos> basically just join our lists and let them know what you do
[18:14] <Kilos> superfly  right?
[18:14] <CuttingEdge> joined the mailing list
[18:15] <superfly> ja
[18:15] <Kilos> good man
[18:15] <inetpro> sjow Kilos, our next meeting only in 2030?
[18:15] <Kilos> u oh
[18:15] <inetpro> oops... at 2030... surely you meant 20:30
[18:15] <Kilos> what did you break now
[18:15] <superfly> Kilos: you're quite pushy, né?
[18:16] <Kilos> ya that thing man
[18:16] <Kilos> the pro gives me non stop grief
[18:16] <Kilos> RTFS this and RTFS that
[18:17] <superfly> RTFM, Kilos. Read the Fine Manual. Although, Read the Fine Site works too, I guess
[18:18] <inetpro> Kilos: don't say 2030 and 2020, I get confused man :-)
[18:18] <Kilos> ya but he knows i cant read
[18:18] <Kilos> ok from now 8:30 pm
[18:19] <superfly> Kilos: try not to confuse poor inetpro, he's getting old and he gets confused easily :-P
[18:19] <Kilos> hee hee hee
[18:20] <inetpro> ai!... and gremble still doing the windows thing?
[18:21] <gremble> You mean the things that allow you to see through walls?
[18:21] <Kilos> you guys must behave, the big sparks is here watching
[18:21] <inetpro> time to forget about BSOD and just move over to a proper OS
[18:21] <Kilos> inetpro  tell him
[18:21] <gremble> I would, but I need to use SAS for statistics
[18:22] <gremble> Otherwise I would've had Arch on my desktop a long time ago ;)
[18:22] <Kilos> ai!
[18:22]  * inetpro falls off his chair
[18:22] <inetpro> even highvoltage here this evening?
[18:22] <Kilos> yeah 
[18:23] <Kilos> hi clr_  
[18:23] <clr_> evening
[18:24] <inetpro> great... time to get into meeting mode
[18:24] <Kilos> lol you chased magespawn
[18:24] <Kilos> wb magespawn  
[18:24] <magespawn> ty
[18:25] <inetpro> did the quick speed reading through the backlogs
[18:25] <Kilos> quiet day inetpro  
[18:27] <gremble> I made the mistake of trying to install Racket on my windows machine. I don't know how some people use windows as a serious mission critical operating system
[18:29] <Kilos> superfly  .
[18:29] <magespawn> brb
[18:30] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:30] <Kilos> he fell asleep
[18:30] <superfly> Kilos: it's 20:30 now
[18:30] <Kilos> yessir
[18:30] <Kilos> and a bit
[18:30] <Kilos> inetpro  ^^
[18:31] <superfly> Maaz: start meeting about Ubuntu-ZA Monthly Meeting 28 April 2015
[18:31]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:31] <Kilos> wb rusty  
[18:31] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[18:31] <Maaz> superfly: Alrighty
[18:31] <Guest98387> hi
[18:31] <Kilos> Maaz  I am Miles Sharpe
[18:31] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[18:31] <Guest98387> rusty10
[18:31] <Kilos> hi magellanic  
[18:31] <superfly> Welcome everyone to our monthly meeting. Please register your attendance with Maaz, like so: Maaz: I am <Name>
[18:31] <magellanic> Maaz: I am hiren
[18:31] <Maaz> magellanic: Yessir
[18:31] <Vince-0> Maaz: I am Vincent Swart
[18:31] <Maaz> Vince-0: Done
[18:32] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[18:32] <Maaz> inetpro: Done
[18:32] <CuttingEdge> Maaz: I am Wesley Channon
[18:32] <Maaz> CuttingEdge: Sure
[18:32] <Guest98387> hi
[18:32] <Padroni> Maaz: I am Padroni
[18:32] <Maaz> Padroni: Done
[18:32] <clr_> Maaz: I am Charl le Roux
[18:32] <Maaz> clr_: Alrighty
[18:32] <gremble> Maaz: I am Jaco Stroebel
[18:32] <Maaz> gremble: Okay
[18:32] <Kilos> Guest98387  /nick rusty10
[18:32] <Kilos> hi theblazehen  
[18:32] <blazehen> sup
[18:32] <Kilos> meeting
[18:32] <superfly> Maaz: topic Welcome
[18:32] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcome
[18:33] <blazehen> just wanted to let you all know that I didn't kill myself or die in any way, lol
[18:33] <blazehen> sorry
[18:33] <superfly> Welcome again, everyone. For those who are new, meetings are held every 4th Tuesday of each month at 20:30 SAST (UTC+2) and are pretty informal. Anyone is free to join in and give comments and suggestions, its even encouraged.
[18:33] <blazehen> bad timing
[18:33] <Kilos> good login now
[18:33] <blazehen> busy :(
[18:33] <superfly> welcome to our monthly meeting blazehen, glad you're OK :-D
[18:33] <blazehen> alright :) ty superfly
[18:34] <superfly> The minutes of the previous meeting are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150324
[18:35] <superfly> In formal meetings they like to accept the minutes of the previous meeting, but I don't see that as necessary here. Anyone have any comments on the previous meeting minutes?
[18:36]  * inetpro likes the style of our new chair :-)
[18:36] <magellanic> nope
[18:36] <superfly> Great. Moving on.
[18:37] <inetpro> +1
[18:37] <superfly> Maaz: topic: Plans for 2015
[18:37] <Maaz> superfly: Excuse me?
[18:37] <magellanic> sup Kilos sorry didn't see earlier
[18:37]  * Kilos +1
[18:37] <superfly> Maaz: topic Plans for 2015
[18:37] <Maaz> Current Topic: Plans for 2015
[18:37] <magespawn> hi
[18:37] <magespawn> back again
[18:37] <magespawn> meeting?
[18:37] <Kilos> wb magespawn  login please
[18:38] <magespawn> Maaz, I am Greg Eames
[18:38] <Maaz> magespawn: Righto
[18:38] <Guest98387> hi everyone
[18:38] <inetpro> superfly: do we keep this issue as a topic for the rest of the year?
[18:38] <superfly> inetpro: if we want to
[18:38] <Kilos> hi Guest98387  do /nick rusty10
[18:38] <Kilos> hi captine  
[18:38] <captine> hi all
[18:38] <captine> sorry i am late
[18:39] <inetpro> Kilos: how do you know it is rusty10
[18:39] <inetpro> ?
[18:39] <Guest98387> im still battling to get going, cannot get my nicj changed :-(
[18:39]  * Kilos clever
[18:39] <Guest98387> but i am rusty10
[18:39] <Guest98387> nock
[18:39] <Guest98387> nick 
[18:39] <superfly> inetpro, Kilos: Any feedback on the what we've been doing in terms of Ubuntu CoC, membership, etc?
[18:40] <Kilos> ok Guest98387  well sort it after meet
[18:40] <Guest98387> Ok
[18:40] <inetpro> Guest98387: start with: /nick NewNick
[18:40] <superfly> guys, lets keep the meeting rolling?
[18:40] <Kilos> no new members from us atm but one from the lubuntu boys for next thursday
[18:40] <superfly> we can sort out nicks afterward
[18:41] <captine> Maaz, i am Bradley Putzier
[18:41] <Maaz> captine: Righto
[18:41] <Kilos> superfly  you need to help nudge the pro
[18:41] <superfly> Does everyone know about our Trello board?
[18:41] <inetpro> superfly: I haven't spent time looking into the COC, sorry
[18:41] <magellanic> yes ;p
[18:41] <Squirm> magespawn: I am Sinjin Swanepoel
[18:41] <Squirm> lol
[18:42] <superfly> brb - kiddy needs me
[18:42] <Squirm> Maaz: I am Sinjin Swanepoel
[18:42] <Maaz> Squirm: Okay
[18:42] <Kilos> whew we get a breather
[18:42] <Kilos> shout at him little blue eyes
[18:42] <inetpro> Trello: https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco
[18:43] <inetpro> anyone not on Trello, please join us there
[18:43] <Vince-0> wots a trello
[18:43] <Jacques_Stry> Maaz: I am Jacques Strydom
[18:43] <Maaz> Jacques_Stry: Okay
[18:44] <Kilos> https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco
[18:44] <Kilos> Vince-0  ^
[18:44] <Kilos> where we share work
[18:44] <inetpro> Vince-0: superfly introduced it to us in December, a very nice way to manage projects
[18:44] <Vince-0> ow ok
[18:45] <Guest98387> dont want to interrupt all the formal meeting discussions :-), but wanted to ask if anyone knows of Linux or Ubuntu users out around Margate.
[18:45] <inetpro> our trello board is publicly accessible but if you want to take part you need to register and we add you as a member
[18:45] <Guest98387> I have use moved to Margate
[18:46] <Kilos> Guest98387  go to https://ubuntu-za.org and where you see join us join our mailing list
[18:46] <arnaudmez> hi Kilos
[18:46] <Kilos> hi arnaudmez  
[18:47] <arnaudmez> how are you today ?
[18:47] <Kilos> good ty and you
[18:47] <Kilos> join our meeting
[18:47] <inetpro> Kilos: and tell them about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[18:48] <superfly> back - a little boy was having a nightmare :-(
[18:48] <Kilos> typ in maaz I am Name
[18:48] <Kilos> shame fly
[18:48] <captine> superfly, shame.  my guy seems to be getting those now.
[18:48] <Squirm> Guest98387: I don't think there's anyone down Margate way(My girlfriend lives in Port SHepstone, but I'm hardly ever out that way)
[18:48] <Squirm> Durban - Definitely. There is our group and the Durban LUG
[18:49] <Kilos> there must be someone sheppy margate way
[18:49] <Squirm> I knew of one person down that way - Can't remember who though
[18:49] <Kilos> all those pcs dont run themselves down there
[18:49] <superfly> OK, are we all happy about events in 2015?
[18:50] <inetpro> I know someone in Durban who tried Ubuntu but gave up when his Canon Printer didn't work with it... sad case
[18:50] <Kilos> new record nicks
[18:50] <clr_> do we have any events in 2015 planned?
[18:51] <clr_> or are we happy with the topic being on the agenda for the rest of the year
[18:51] <clr_> ?
[18:51] <superfly> sorry clr_, my bad, I meant plans for 2015
[18:51] <inetpro> superfly: topic?
[18:51] <Jacques_Stry> inetpro: Luckily the canon stuff has been fixed by now
[18:51] <Kilos> Jacques_Stry  did you login with the bot?
[18:52] <inetpro> Jacques_Stry: clearly I need to speak to you
[18:52] <clr_> I am not aware of any events planned for 2015, have I missed something?
[18:52] <Jacques_Stry> Kilos: Did yes ty :)
[18:52] <Kilos> ty
[18:52] <superfly> clr_: on the agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150428
[18:52] <Kilos> i cant keep up when you guys go so fast
[18:52] <superfly> right, moving on then.
[18:52] <inetpro> superfly: I guess we still need to encourage people to apply for official membership
[18:53] <superfly> Maaz: agreed Carry on with Trello, membership and other things.
[18:53] <Kilos> inetpro  yourself included
[18:53] <Maaz> Agreed: Carry on with Trello, membership and other things
[18:53] <superfly> Maaz: topic Events
[18:53] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[18:53] <captine> inetpro, I will apply later this year.  not very active yet, but will try anyhow
[18:53] <superfly> Any events happening?
[18:54] <superfly> I thought I heard about a release party, any news on this?
[18:54] <captine> none that i know of in jhb
[18:55] <qwebirc78238> I am Piet Beukes
[18:55] <superfly> hi Piet!
[18:55] <arnaudmez> Kilos: tried ubuntu 15.04 on my testing laptop but found it generaly slow
[18:55] <qwebirc78238> Hi
[18:55] <Kilos> aw
[18:56] <superfly> I wonder if anyone is interested in starting up those Ubuntu hours again?
[18:56] <CuttingEdge> speaking of releases .. i setup a 'release' mirror earlier today
[18:56] <captine> superfly, ubuntu hour?
[18:57] <CuttingEdge> http://ubuntu.mirror.neology.co.za/ubuntu-release/
[18:57] <superfly> captine: meet at a coffee shop, preferably without a laptop, to introduce new folks to the ubuntu community
[18:57] <Kilos> ty CuttingEdge  neology runs well
[18:58] <superfly> Maaz: idea Start up Ubuntu Hour again
[18:58] <Maaz> Idea recorded: Start up Ubuntu Hour again
[18:58] <captine> superfly, ah.  sounds interesting.  geeks without laptops.. like we will then need to talk to people... wow.  hectic :)
[18:58] <inetpro> superfly: eish! I forgot to add the latest release to the Agenda 
[18:59] <superfly> Maaz: accepted new release mirror at Neology: http://ubuntu.mirror.neology.co.za/ubuntu-release/
[18:59] <Maaz> Accepted: new release mirror at Neology: http://ubuntu.mirror.neology.co.za/ubuntu-release/
[18:59] <gremble> That sounds like a really good idea -> Ubuntu Hour
[18:59] <superfly> (need a "note" action)
[18:59] <captine> gremble, agree
[18:59] <Kilos> superfly  query
[18:59] <inetpro> superfly: can we please slip "Ubuntu 15.04" into the Agenda before Miscellaneous ?
[19:00] <superfly> inetpro: go ahead
[19:00] <superfly> yes Kilos?
[19:00] <Kilos> shouldnt it be with your laptop
[19:00] <superfly> Kilos: we can chat further after the meeting
[19:00] <Kilos> no man
[19:00] <Kilos> for the ubuntu hour
[19:00] <superfly> Maaz: agreed chat further about Ubuntu Hour after the meeting
[19:00] <Maaz> Agreed: chat further about Ubuntu Hour after the meeting
[19:01] <Kilos> lol
[19:01] <superfly> let's keep the ball rolling
[19:01] <inetpro> please refresh  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150428
[19:02] <superfly> The other event that happened, more like news, I guess
[19:02] <superfly> is that Kilos is now a member of one of the Ubuntu councils...
[19:02] <inetpro> we still need people to organise release parties
[19:02] <superfly> Kilos: the Ubuntu membershp council?
[19:02] <Padroni> nice
[19:02] <Padroni> well done
[19:02] <Kilos> membership board
[19:02] <inetpro> \o/
[19:02] <superfly> that one
[19:03] <captine> nice.  what does that mean exactly?  
[19:03] <inetpro> very well done oom Kilos!
[19:03] <Kilos> i get to vote for new members
[19:03] <Kilos> ty all
[19:03] <captine> nice.
[19:04] <inetpro> captine: he get's to interview people applying for official membership all around the world 
[19:04] <superfly> Maaz: agreed Congratulations Miles on your membership of the Ubuntu Membership Board
[19:04] <Maaz> Agreed: Congratulations Miles on your membership of the Ubuntu Membership Board
[19:04] <superfly> (gotta minute it somehow)
[19:04] <inetpro> gets
[19:04] <inetpro> +1
[19:05] <captine> Kilos, hope I can bank your vote when applying :-)
[19:05] <stickyboy> I'm good.
[19:05] <Kilos> hehe
[19:06] <inetpro> Maaz: Kilos++ [for membership of the Ubuntu Membership Board]
[19:06] <superfly> Anything else to add to events?
[19:06] <Kilos> its actually simple, do enough to get great testimonials
[19:06] <superfly> inetpro: should I add your idea for release parties?
[19:06] <inetpro> superfly: sure
[19:07] <superfly> Maaz: idea Release Parties for 15.04
[19:07] <Maaz> Idea recorded: Release Parties for 15.04
[19:07] <stickyboy> But didn't they already release 15.04?
[19:07] <superfly> Great. Moving on.
[19:07] <superfly> Maaz: topic Ubuntu 15.04
[19:07] <Maaz> Current Topic: Ubuntu 15.04
[19:07] <superfly> stickyboy: yes, a release party celebrates the release of a new version of Ubuntu
[19:08] <stickyboy> superfly: Sure. I was just thinking it's a bit late. :P
[19:08] <stickyboy> But I guess it was just a few days ago or so.
[19:08] <inetpro> stickyboy: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/3075/
[19:09] <stickyboy> Cool, can someone make a cake for it?
[19:09] <stickyboy> Like the IE and Chrome teams send each other on release days. :P
[19:09] <Kilos> aw where is maia
[19:09] <captine> stickyboy, lol
[19:09]  * inetpro running on Kubuntu 15.04 right now
[19:10] <captine> inetpro, nice. how is it treating you.  I am a little nervous to go to it with the system D changes etc
[19:10] <stickyboy> systemd is #winning to be honest.
[19:10] <CuttingEdge> inetpro: you may have some catching up to do .. i've done 4 machines already ;)
[19:10] <stickyboy> Today I learned about systemd-nspawn...
[19:10] <inetpro> captine: it's awesome, but at the same time not without some minor glitches
[19:11] <stickyboy> systemd-nspawn makes it super easy to use containers.
[19:11] <stickyboy> I haven't found a use for containers yet, but I will.
[19:12] <arnaudmez> containers ???
[19:12] <arnaudmez> tell me more about stickyboy
[19:13] <superfly> alright boys. let's keep to meeting during meeting time
[19:13] <Jacques_Stry> On my machines I have found that 15.04 takes quite a bit longer to boot up...
[19:13] <stickyboy> Ooops, didn't realize it was a meeting.
[19:13] <captine> inetpro, I hear a lot of great things about Mate 15.04 (new ubuntu family member :).  Dude on Linux Unplugged podcast is one of the key developers/maintainers
[19:13] <Jacques_Stry> :)
[19:13] <inetpro> I normally disable fancy desktop behaviours but haven't figured how to do it here, must say I'm surprised how smooth it's running 
[19:14] <captine> i need a good day to install it if I do. Using mac mini as my desktop and installing non-apple OS is a pain.
[19:15] <superfly> Any other comments on 15.04?
[19:15] <superfly> Right. Moving on.
[19:15] <inetpro> KDE Connect is really awesome, allowing me to drive my desktop mouse with the Andoid device
[19:15] <Padroni> did you upgrade or clean install?
[19:15] <arnaudmez> superfly: found it a bit slower than Mint 17 but maybe I need to reinstall and see
[19:16] <arnaudmez> inetpro: will take a time and try 
[19:16]  * superfly did an upgrade
[19:17] <inetpro> Padroni: I did a clean install but copied my home folder across before first login
[19:17]  * Padroni needs to back up his home folder
[19:17] <superfly> K, let's move on.
[19:17] <inetpro> always make a backup!!!
[19:17] <captine> cool
[19:17] <arnaudmez> inetpro: does it work without causing issues now ?
[19:17] <Squirm> I have my / mounted on a 20Gb partition and /home on the remainder of the drive. So my home folder follows me around :)
[19:18] <superfly> Maaz: topic Miscellaneous
[19:18] <Maaz> Current Topic: Miscellaneous
[19:18] <superfly> anything else?
[19:18] <inetpro> arnaudmez: let's talk more after the meeting
[19:18] <arnaudmez> 'cause i remember years ago that copy-paste of home was problematic ... really
[19:18] <Squirm> arnaudmez: works for me
[19:18] <arnaudmez> sorry guys, what's the meeting topic
[19:18] <Squirm> Nothing my side superfly
[19:18] <inetpro> I didn't have problems with that at all
[19:18] <arnaudmez> i came late today
[19:18] <captine> saw some mails on one of the mailing lists about some documentation project?  Anyone have any more info on that?  think it is general and not Ubuntu specific
[19:19] <Kilos> speak to Jacques_Stry  captine  
[19:19] <captine> looking up emails quick
[19:20] <inetpro> oh, if anyone else knows more Ubuntu people in the rest of Africa please talk to Kilos, he's lining them up at #ubuntu-africa
[19:21] <Kilos> superfly  
[19:21] <Jacques_Stry> captine: Will fill you in on documentation later
[19:21] <Kilos> rewquest please
[19:21] <Kilos> requets too
[19:21] <captine> thnx Jacques_Stry 
[19:22] <Jacques_Stry> np
[19:22] <Kilos> can someone who uses fb often advertise the africa site
[19:22]  * Padroni will do
[19:22] <captine> so.,..  I unfortunately went back to Windows 8.1 at work after using Ubuntu for about a month as my main desktop.  Was fun, but changing roles means no longer in IT so need to conform
[19:22] <Kilos> ty
[19:22] <gremble> I can, but I don't have many friends :P
[19:22] <gremble> captine: You have my condolences
[19:22] <Kilos> maybe from ubuntu-za in fb even
[19:22] <captine> thnx gremble... 
[19:22] <Padroni> jeez
[19:22] <Padroni> 8.1?
[19:23]  * Padroni is a mocker of Windoze 8 users...
[19:23] <captine> or whatever
[19:23] <captine> Padroni, not a win expert
[19:23] <captine> think it is 8.1... isnt it?
[19:23] <Padroni> both are equally useless
[19:23] <captine> yip it is.  just checked :)
[19:24] <Squirm> captine: roles?
[19:24] <Kilos> oh
[19:24] <inetpro> in the News: KDE Ships Plasma 5.3, New Feature Release https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.3.0.php
[19:24] <captine> moved from IT into finance
[19:24] <superfly> Maaz: idea advertise ubuntu-afica on facebook
[19:24] <Maaz> Idea recorded: advertise ubuntu-afica on facebook
[19:24] <Kilos> i would personally like to thank superfly  inetpro  and team for the great africa site
[19:25] <superfly> Maaz: agreed find out more about the documentation effort
[19:25] <Maaz> Agreed: find out more about the documentation effort
[19:25] <gremble> I would like to know more
[19:25] <gremble> about the documentation effort. I would like to get involved
[19:25] <Squirm> captine: there was one... tails?
[19:26] <Squirm> captine: https://tails.boum.org/
[19:26] <Squirm> superfly: documentation in terms of...?
[19:26] <Kilos> booktype
[19:27] <Jacques_Stry> gremble: After meeting i'll give you a quick update
[19:27] <superfly> Squirm, gremble: Speak to Jacques_Stry
[19:27] <Kilos> speak to Jacques_Stry  
[19:27] <Squirm> Will do
[19:27] <Kilos> lol
[19:27]  * Squirm looks pointedly at Jacques_Stry
[19:27] <gremble> Squirm: there was mention of it on the mailing lists. As I understand it, they want to document OS things for central and easy access
[19:27] <Jacques_Stry> :)
[19:27]  * Jacques_Stry hides
[19:27]  * Padroni just had to do a system restore on Win7.  Which means it is now retarted for at least 5 reboot cycles
[19:27] <Padroni> :/
[19:27] <Squirm> gremble: cool
[19:28] <superfly> OK. can we move on to electing the next chairnick?
[19:28] <Padroni> Jacques_Stry,  you need to do that tut on compunation?
[19:28]  * Kilos votes superfly
[19:28] <Jacques_Stry> Padroni: Good idea
[19:28] <Kilos> very efficient chair
[19:28] <inetpro> wb Langjan
[19:28] <Kilos> hi Langjan  
[19:29] <Langjan> hi guys, hows the meeting going?
[19:29]  * Padroni points to his lazyboy : That there is the only chair i am comfortable with
[19:29] <Kilos> almost done Langjan  
[19:29] <superfly> no
[19:29] <Squirm> Langjan: tell Maaz who you are
[19:29] <gremble> Hey Langjan. Did you get your email sorted?
[19:30] <superfly> Kilos: only efficient because I've got a bunch of sick children that all need my help now, and so I want this meeting done 30 minutes ago.
[19:30]  * Kilos vote secong choice inetpro
[19:30] <Kilos> second
[19:30] <inetpro> +1 for superfly
[19:30] <Kilos> sorry for pulling you in  superfly  
[19:30] <Padroni> +1 superfly , inetpro 
[19:30] <inetpro> but we still need other volunteers as well
[19:31] <superfly> no, only as a last resort.
[19:31] <Langjan> Great, just to let you guys know  installed import export tools, had to fiddle around a bit to get the right settings but worked like a dream, I couls select each folder that I wanted to import
[19:31] <Kilos> CuttingEdge  ^
[19:31] <captine> inetpro, are there instructions on how to do the meetings (Maaz commands etc(
[19:31] <inetpro> captine: I will help you
[19:31] <captine> i am just not sure I can guarantee being here for the next 2 months
[19:31]  * inetpro changes his vote to +1 for captine
[19:32] <inetpro> ai!
[19:32] <captine> lol.  mihgt not be here L)
[19:32] <Langjan> Sorry Squirm I need to be guided as to how to do that (again)
[19:32] <captine> I can do it but will need you to step in if not here
[19:32] <Squirm> Langjan: type "Maaz: I am ..."
[19:32] <inetpro> captine: ok, I'll be on standby
[19:32] <Squirm> without the ... and the ""
[19:32] <Langjan> Maaz: I am Langjan 
[19:32] <Maaz> Langjan: Okay
[19:32] <superfly> Maaz: agreed Next chair to be decided via mailing list
[19:32] <Maaz> Agreed: Next chair to be decided via mailing list
[19:33] <superfly> since no one can agree
[19:33] <Vince-0> please include the Maaz bot howto 
[19:33] <Squirm> Maaz: Help
[19:33] <Maaz> Squirm: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[19:33] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[19:33] <Kilos> superfly  ty for being an excellent backup chair
[19:33] <Squirm> Vince-0: like so?
[19:33] <CuttingEdge> Kilos: i'm all for volunteering, but give me one or two meetings first, just to get into how things operate ;)
[19:33] <Langjan> Hi gremble  did you get my drift about the mails? Thks for the help
[19:34] <gremble> Yes Langjan :)
[19:34] <gremble> Glad you got it sorted
[19:34] <superfly> Maaz: agreed Next meeting 26 May 2015
[19:34] <Maaz> Agreed: Next meeting 26 May 2015
[19:34] <superfly> Maaz: end meeting
[19:34] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[19:34] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-04-28-18-31-09.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-04-28-18-31-09.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-04-28-18-31-09.html
[19:34] <melodie> good evening
[19:34] <CuttingEdge> superfly: nicely done
[19:34] <captine> evening melodie 
[19:34] <Squirm> 'lo
[19:34] <inetpro> thanks superfly!
[19:34] <captine> thnx superfly 
[19:35] <melodie> hi captine 
[19:35] <melodie> hi Squirm 
[19:35] <Kilos> hi melodie  
[19:35] <Langjan> Lekker slaap manne en maninne, that's you melodie 
[19:35] <Kilos> lol
[19:35] <melodie> :)
[19:35] <Kilos> sleep tight Langjan  
[19:35] <Vince-0> k
[19:35] <Langjan> Thks Kilos 
[19:35] <Kilos> glad you got it all sorted
[19:36] <Langjan> Me too thks
[19:36] <melodie> I would like to know if some people are interested in doing their own custom version of Ubuntu?
[19:36] <Kilos> hope you wrote it down
[19:36] <Langjan> No, it was too much trial and error
[19:36] <melodie> I have used Ubuntu Builder since 2012, it's a nice tool quite easy to use and Kamilion continues it somehow on his ppa
[19:37] <captine> melodie, I thought about something like that for a business edition etc... but no time
[19:37] <melodie> it's a tool written in Gambas, with the look and feel of a gtk3 app
[19:38] <melodie> captine would you be interested if I say, in some time, I'd like to do that, and why not open a new project? 
[19:38] <superfly> minutes are up at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20150428
[19:38] <melodie> ie : a list of packages would be needed, perhaps configuration files...
[19:38] <superfly> Kilos: are you going to create the next meeting page?
[19:38] <gremble> Gambas is such a weird language to want to code in :P
[19:38] <Kilos> the pro does that superfly  
[19:38] <inetpro> melodie: I tried it in a VM here and it's surprisingly fast 
[19:39] <inetpro> superfly: I'll handle it asap
[19:39] <melodie> inetpro Bento?
[19:39] <inetpro> melodie: yes
[19:39] <qwebirc78238> Kilos, help me again with the nick - /nick "my name" dont do it
[19:39] <melodie> good
[19:39] <inetpro> just had a few minor issues 
[19:39] <melodie> inetpro let me know if you find bugs, so that we squeeze them
[19:39] <captine> melodie, sounds interesting.  what would we be wanting to do that cannot be done by contributing to current ubuntu?  That is always my question.  Think there is a lot on the business side, however I certainly don't have the skills... cannot even remember how to config things without google
[19:40] <melodie> captine this is beside the question, I'll explain why
[19:40] <Kilos> qwebirc78238  first try /nick anynick
[19:40] <Kilos> qwebirc78238  do /j ##kilos
[19:40] <Kilos> ill help you there
[19:41] <Kilos> there
[19:41] <Kilos> it worked
[19:41] <melodie> I am working on Bento Vivid now, because I want to see what comes next after Trusty and while doing so I meet with my own set of issues to deal with, and take advantage of it to do bug reports (as good as possible)
[19:41] <melodie> that helps
[19:41] <inetpro> melodie: reporting bugs takes time and unfortunatey that is not a luxury that I have
[19:41] <Kilos> now do /nick rusty10
[19:41] <gremble> Jacques_Stry, Squirm shall we talk on #ubuntu-za-documentation about the documentation project? (or anyone else that wants to talk about it)
[19:42] <Kilos> anynick   now do /nick rusty10
[19:42] <anynick> it says it is already in use
[19:42] <melodie> captine then I was also reporting some details to a Debian developer this morning, about a package he takes care of, and also a few days ago, about an Openbox which is only for test purposes
[19:42] <melodie> inetpro you can list them here and tell me just like that
[19:42] <Jacques_Stry> gremble: surely
[19:42] <Kilos> eish
[19:42] <captine> melodie, you sound pretty technical... i may not be the resource you are looking for :)
[19:42] <melodie> inetpro ie: if it's about sound, not needed. the packages for the sound will come next
[19:43] <Kilos> e 
[19:43] <anynick> so it does not allow me
[19:43] <Jacques_Stry> Documentation is a project started my William, shame he couldn't make it for the meeting
[19:43] <melodie> captine I don't need to be that technical while discussing, but while helping I do. but the devs have tought me and I am learning as I go anyway
[19:43] <Kilos> inetpro  please help anynick  
[19:43] <Jacques_Stry> aim of the project is to promote the use of open source software in schools
[19:44] <Kilos> he registered rusty10 this avy
[19:44] <melodie> captine you can help with anything not so tech
[19:44] <stickyboy> Kilos: He's gotta auth to it.
[19:44] <melodie> such as docs for the ones who have no knowledge, this is very appreciated generally
[19:44] <melodie> or else, whatever is in your scope
[19:44] <Jacques_Stry> but problem is that OSS is usually not well documented and lack the books necessary for them to be implemented in schools
[19:45] <Kilos> stickyboy  explain nicely to him please he is new
[19:45] <melodie> anynick what says? do you need help?
[19:45] <Jacques_Stry> that is where William started with his project
[19:45] <stickyboy> Kilos: Actually he is apparently already logged in.
[19:45] <anynick> yes
[19:45] <stickyboy> anynick: Do you have another IRC window open somewhere maybe? :D
[19:45] <melodie> anynick I am listening
[19:46] <anynick> yes on xchat
[19:46] <captine> melodie, sounds interesting.  just need to align with the vision and purpose of a new distro and can then work on time available to contribute.
[19:46] <stickyboy> anynick: I mean, it seems like 'rusty10' is actually connected. And that's you somewhere. :P
[19:46] <Kilos> thats why close the site one and go to xchat
[19:46] <captine> night all.. gotto run
 it says it is already in use  | what is?
[19:46] <Jacques_Stry> he wanted to get a system where it will be easy for people / educators / contributers from all over to help in writing books to be used in schools
[19:46] <melodie> captine I would not submit anything else than Bento Openbox as a basis
[19:46] <anynick> I started on xchat and was sent here on the ubuntu side
[19:47] <Jacques_Stry> so we looked at a few systems and the one we are currently looking at is Booktype
[19:47] <CuttingEdge> anynick: try: /nickserv ghost rusty10 password
[19:47] <anynick> Ok
[19:47] <melodie> anynick what would be "the ubuntu side" ?
[19:47] <melodie> CuttingEdge :D
[19:47] <Padroni> night all
[19:47] <Padroni> see you tomorrow
[19:47] <Guest98387> now on xchat
[19:48] <CuttingEdge> melodie: greetings
[19:48] <melodie> captine because Bento is meant to be very fast and very easy all at same time, and very easy to build ont
[19:48] <melodie> on
[19:48] <Kilos> ok now  /nick rusty10
[19:48] <melodie> CuttingEdge hi
[19:48] <gremble> Jacques_Stry: Booktype looks like something used to author books. Why? Why not just have a web interface?
[19:48] <Jacques_Stry> i successfully installed a server for us to test on last night and you guys can check it out: http://52.10.81.81/
[19:48] <gremble> Something like an easily readable wiki where you can download the database to use it offline ( i remeber that was one of the usecases)
[19:48] <Guest98387> nope - /nick rusty10 but does not work
[19:48] <gremble> Yes, I had a look at that now. It looks very neat
[19:49] <CuttingEdge> Guest98387: thats because its currently in use
[19:49] <melodie> captine http://linuxvillage.org/en/
[19:49] <melodie> :)
[19:49] <CuttingEdge> Guest98387: try: /nickserv ghost rusty10 password
[19:49] <melodie> I'm hungry now
[19:49] <melodie> I'll bbl
[19:50] <Jacques_Stry> gremble: Booktype isn't just about authoring but also about collaborative writing, it has proper version control so is perfect
[19:50] <gremble> So does a wiki?
[19:50] <Jacques_Stry> and about offline use the finished books can be easily downloaded and re uploaded
[19:50] <Guest98387> it does not allow me to ghost
[19:50] <melodie> Guest61971 you may have to wait some time
[19:50] <CuttingEdge> melodie: i tried sushi the other night .. i suppose its an acquired taste ;)
[19:50] <melodie> it happens
[19:51] <Guest98387> perhaps I just need to log off and start again
[19:51] <melodie> CuttingEdge acquired? what does acquired mean?
[19:51] <melodie> Guest61971 just be patient
[19:51] <CuttingEdge> melodie: ie: not really my 'thing'
[19:51] <Guest98387> im really trying, believe me
[19:51] <melodie> no I don't :D
[19:52] <melodie> why should I? ;D
[19:52] <Jacques_Stry> gremble: We are trying to keep it as simple to use as possible, wiki doesn't really fulfill that to me
[19:52] <melodie> CuttingEdge no problem
[19:52] <melodie> CuttingEdge which desktop do you like best? Openbox can take several of them on top because it is only a windows manager
[19:53] <gremble> Jacques_Stry: Okay, I don't particularly care how you guys decide to present the content. What is your plans on contribution management and what can I do to help?
[19:53] <CuttingEdge> can see i'm going to have to google bento .. haven't seen/played with it before
[19:53] <melodie> Guest61971 I am joking!
[19:53] <melodie> CuttingEdge why do you want to google? if you have a question please just ask
[19:54] <CuttingEdge> melodie: ironically, i was a huge fan of the original gnome .. but over the years, i've become quite fond of the simplicity of unity
[19:54] <Jacques_Stry> gremble: that is a very good question, we should be discussing this with William as this is his project - don't want to put words in his mouth
[19:54] <melodie> CuttingEdge I am not the Unity kind, but... I'll show you something I did with Bento last year or so
[19:54] <CuttingEdge> melodie: cause i can't see screenshots over IRC ;)
[19:54] <Jacques_Stry> gremble: Could I ask you to put that in a mail and send it to the mailing list
[19:55] <Jacques_Stry> He usually replies pretty quickly
[19:55] <gremble> Okay. 
[19:55] <CuttingEdge> melodie: URL ?
[19:55] <melodie> http://forum.linuxvillage.org/index.php/topic,338.msg2268.html#msg2268
[19:56] <melodie> CuttingEdge you tell me..
[19:56] <Jacques_Stry> But if you have any ideas please let us know gremble - the more hands the better
[19:56] <melodie> Jacques_Stry one idea: how many people in #ubuntu-za and #ubuntu-africa like Lubuntu? 
[19:56] <melodie> I know Lubuntu wishes to open their team wider, so... 
[19:56] <Padroni> I use lubuntu on my eeebox pc's
[19:57] <melodie> Padroni did you try Vivid already?
[19:57] <Padroni> nope
[19:57] <Padroni> link?
[19:57] <Jacques_Stry> Use it on my htpc's etc
[19:57] <melodie> Padroni right away! wait a sec
[19:57] <Padroni> I need something that will ubuntu, but on p2 / p3 specs
[19:57] <Padroni> like 1.4Ghz with 1GB RAM
[19:58] <CuttingEdge> melodie: is there a APT repository or PPA for bento ?
[19:58] <Padroni> but mostly
[19:58] <melodie> http://lubuntu.me/
[19:58] <Padroni> i need to figure out how to install ubuntu on my iphone
[19:58] <melodie> CuttingEdge 3 repositories
[19:58] <melodie> for the isos
[19:58] <melodie> CuttingEdge the repos are the ones from Ubuntu, plus a few ppa added with care
[19:59] <melodie> CuttingEdge http://linuxvillage.org/en/downloads/
[19:59] <Padroni> anyone?
[19:59] <Padroni> Ubuntu on iPhone.  Anyone?
[19:59] <Jacques_Stry> Would do it
[20:00] <Jacques_Stry> Would use it*
[20:00] <gremble> I heard that you can do it by putting the iPhone in the microwave for 30 seconds
[20:00] <gremble> This allows you to hijack the bootloader
[20:00] <gremble> and bypass the transmogrifier
[20:00] <Padroni> you  must think I am a windows 8 user?
[20:00]  * Padroni is offended...
[20:00]  * gremble takes a sip of tea
[20:02]  * Padroni pictures Kermit with a cup of tea and sniggers...
[20:02] <gremble> That is funny, because I like kermit. I have a redeyed treefrog tattood on my arm
[20:04] <Squirm> Gnight all
[20:05] <Jacques_Stry> night
[20:05] <Padroni> I'm off too
[20:05] <Padroni> laters, folks
[20:05] <gremble> Cheers
[20:05] <Jacques_Stry> haha should probably be getting some sleep too - enjoy everyone, chat later
[20:24] <inetpro> quietness, yay! :-)
[20:24] <Kilos> hehe
[20:25] <gremble> It got really busy here for a moment
[20:25] <Kilos> i cant even keep up
[20:25]  * inetpro had to step out to regain his sanity
[20:25] <smile> My inbox is overflowing
[20:27] <inetpro> lol
[20:27] <inetpro> Kilos: and poor Guest61971 will be wondering why people are trying to talk to him
[20:27] <gremble> Yes. How could they
[20:27] <smile> 100 emails and counting
[20:28] <Guest9000> I am going to keep this one, I think
[20:28] <inetpro> ai!
[20:28] <inetpro> can the real gremble please come back
[20:28] <Guest9000> Can the real slimshady please stand up, please stand up
[20:29] <Kilos> Guest61971  shout if you need help quick before everyone falls asleep
[20:30] <inetpro> Kilos: that is the graeme dude man
[20:30] <Kilos> no
[20:30] <Kilos> tis is graham
[20:30] <gremble> DudeMan: The world's chillest superhero
[20:31] <Kilos> sham epoor fly battling with the whole family sick
[20:31] <gremble> My sister was at an All Girls event in bloemfontein
[20:31] <gremble> It sounds like the entire town has gotten sick
[20:32] <Kilos> eish
[20:32] <gremble> So many are sick that they are considering closing Afrikaans Meisies here in Pretoria for the week
[20:32] <Kilos> i used to like all girl events
[20:32] <Kilos> wow
[20:34] <gremble> Ha. I made an IRC bot
[20:34] <Kilos> lol
[20:34] <gremble> It has 0 functionality other than connecting to freenode :D
[20:34] <Kilos> can it make coffee
[20:34] <gremble> Nope
[20:34] <smile> Irc coffee.
[20:34] <gremble> I't can't even disconnect
[20:35] <Kilos> useless bot
[20:35]  * smile makes coffee
[20:35] <gremble> Maaz coffee please
[20:35] <Maaz> gremble: There isn't a pot on
[20:35] <gremble> Maaz Coffee on
[20:35]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[20:35] <gremble> Maaz coffee for smile
[20:35] <Maaz> gremble: Sorry...
[20:35] <gremble> gah
[20:35] <gremble> I forgot your syntax
[20:35] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee for all
[20:35] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[20:35] <smile> :-D
[20:36] <melodie> Maaz help
[20:36] <Maaz> melodie: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[20:36] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[20:36] <melodie> Maaz help  south african stuff
[20:36] <Maaz> melodie: Excuse me?
[20:37] <melodie> Maaz help me with  south african stuff
[20:37] <Maaz> melodie: I use the following features for south african stuff: lotto
[20:37] <Maaz> Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details.
[20:37] <melodie> lol
[20:37] <gremble> Maaz: Help me with system administration
[20:37] <Maaz> gremble: I use the following features for system administration: apt-file, aptitude, dns, http, ipcalc, mac, man, nmap, ping, ports, tld and tracepath
[20:37] <Maaz> Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details.
[20:37] <gremble> Nice
[20:38] <smile> Maaz: man file
[20:38] <Maaz> smile: file — determine file type
[20:38] <Maaz> smile: file [-bchiklLNnprsvz0] [--apple] [--mime-encoding] [--mime-type] [-e testname] [-F separator] [-f namefile] [-m magicfiles] [-R maxrecursion] file ...
[20:38] <smile> XD
[20:39] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for gremble!
[20:40] <smile> Maaz: square root of 4
[20:40] <Maaz> smile: Excuse me?
[20:40] <smile> Lol
[20:41] <smile> Maaz: 2+2=
[20:41] <Maaz> smile: Excuse me?
[20:42] <gremble> He doesn't do math
[20:42] <Kilos> Maaz  100/10
[20:42] <Maaz> Kilos: 10.0
[20:42] <gremble> Oh, only math for kilos it seems
[20:42] <Kilos> Maaz  100*10
[20:42] <Maaz> Kilos: 1000
[20:42] <smile> He does
[20:43] <smile> Maaz what if 1=1?
[20:43] <Maaz> smile: Sorry...
[20:43] <Kilos> there is some symbol for adding
[20:43] <Kilos> Maaz  2=2
[20:43] <Maaz> Kilos: Huh?
[20:43] <Kilos> Maaz  2+2
[20:43] <Maaz> Kilos: 4
[20:44] <smile> Maaz wikipedia google
[20:44] <Maaz> smile: *blink*
[20:44] <smile> Maaz wikipedia
[20:44] <Maaz> smile: What?
[20:45] <smile> O no. He doesnt know wikipedia
[20:49] <gremble> Maaz: google wikipedia
[20:49] <Maaz> gremble: "Wikipedia" https://www.wikipedia.org/ :: "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" https://en.wikipedia.org/ :: "Wikipedia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia :: "Wikipedia:About - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:About :: "Wikipedia - Android Apps on Google Play"
[20:49] <Maaz> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wikipedia&hl=en :: "Wikipedia | Facebook" https://www.faceb…
[20:49] <gremble> He does though
[20:50] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:50] <Kilos> hi SirBoss  
[20:50] <gremble> !id Good Night Kilos
[20:50] <SirBoss> Good Night Kilos
[20:50] <gremble> :D
[20:50] <gremble> !quit
[20:51] <Kilos> lol
[20:59] <williamk> Hi, anyone still on
[20:59] <inetpro> williamk: hi
[20:59] <melodie> hi williamk 
[21:00] <williamk> Does anyone want to know about The Documentation Project
[21:01] <gremble> Hey williamk 
[21:01] <gremble> Ya, I sent an email a bit ago to the mailing list
[21:01] <gremble> Sec, Ill be right back with my questions though.
[21:01] <gremble> Tea time
[21:02] <williamk> Hi gremble, I assume you are Jaco
[21:03] <inetpro> williamk: Jacques_Stry is the one who installed it on his server now
[21:04] <gremble> I am indeed 
[21:05] <gremble> Content is what I am interested in. Banalities like a contribution styleguide, content scope etcetera
[21:06] <melodie> williamk is it especially dedicated to za/africa? 
[21:06] <melodie> williamk just asking as right now Lubuntu is doing a documentation project, maybe could you join forces?
[21:06] <williamk> Jacques_Stry has setup Booktype
[21:06] <melodie> at #lubuntu-devel if you are interested to check with them
[21:06] <melodie> and less formal, at #phillw
[21:07] <williamk> It is not just a za/africa project
[21:07] <gremble> Yes, I did go take a look at the server he set up. Looks nice
[21:07] <melodie> williamk gsilva has setup a bazaar on launchpad and is now doing a tutorial
[21:08] <williamk> 2 things I would like to come out of this Documentation Project
[21:08] <melodie> williamk lately I noticed their team lack manpower for the doc so, perhaps would you want to talk with gsilva, rafaellaguna, wxl ... ?
[21:09] <williamk> 1. Documentation for Schools, using the DBE curriculum
[21:10] <williamk> 2. Certification, ECDL/ICDL LPI
[21:10] <melodie> great!
[21:11] <williamk> melodie, I am not an Lubuntu user, but the Project can be used for Lubuntu docs
[21:11] <melodie> williamk what about you get "Malinux" and see if you could reuse bits of the documentation which is integrated in it?
[21:12] <melodie> williamk or maybe they can put links to it in some parts, but I can't say, I'm not the one in charge there
[21:12] <melodie> about Malinux, this is something else, I host it
[21:12] <melodie> It's an Xubuntu 12.04 branded for the teachers of High School and University in Mali 
[21:13] <melodie> not my doing : a non for profit association where I went to help last year, produces it
[21:15] <melodie> williamk I will provide the link for anyone interested to see how it is and perhaps use it or use parts of it
[21:16] <melodie> http://phillw.net/isos/bento-ubuntu-remix/malinux-2.0.iso http://phillw.net/isos/bento-ubuntu-remix/malinux-2.0.iso.md5sum
[21:17] <melodie> I have installed it to a bunch of machines along with other people last year it's pretty and the doc is right on the desktop
[21:19] <williamk> Jacques_Stry is going to create an install doc for Booktype, so anyone will be able to  setup their own project on their own server
[21:20] <melodie> williamk wait a sec please
[21:24] <melodie> williamk ok I have passed on the message
[21:25] <melodie> let's see what's next :D
[21:26] <melodie> williamk the documentation you are planning is to be on the ubuntu wiki, right?
[21:26] <smile> Slaapwel :)
[21:29] <williamk> melodie - The docs will be created on the Booktype server, It is very easy to use, goto http://52.10.81.81
[21:30] <williamk> Here is the doc for Booktype 2.0 : http://sourcefabric.booktype.pro/booktype-20-for-authors-and-publishers/what-is-booktype/
[21:30] <melodie> williamk where will it be published once written?
[21:31] <melodie> williamk this is interesting
[21:31] <melodie> and what about the LPI ? It needs an agreement to spread it
[21:32] <melodie> as far as I know
[21:36] <williamk> LPI, not the document to teach LPI, look here http://ict-innovation.fossfa.net/wiki/public-wiki/foss-certification-training-material/lpi-training-materials-and-practice-testing-engines
[21:38] <williamk> melodie - " where will it be published once written?" we have not discussed/decided that, I would like something like Flossmanuals : http://en.flossmanuals.net/
[21:41] <melodie> not for the ubuntu wiki then?
[21:41] <melodie> just wondering, williamk are you a teacher?
[21:41] <williamk> melodie, like I said "we have not discussed/decided that", so I don't know
[21:43] <williamk> No I am not a teacher, I am a Comp Tech for a University of Technology here in Durban, but am wanting to reduce the cost of books for schools/UOTs/Univs/etc
[21:43] <melodie> williamk oh good!
[21:46] <gremble> Well, I am keen to help. I am a copywriter/proofreader, so there is that that I can bring to the table
[21:47] <williamk> Imagine, all ( or a few ) teachers for a school subject, getting together and creating a manual for that subject, for all teachers to use,
[21:47] <williamk> also so that others in another country can base their content on our content
[21:48] <gremble> Isn't that what they are doing now with these new CC textbooks that the students get for Science and Math?
[21:48] <gremble> Dept Education got a bunch of volunteers to write standard textbooks
[21:49] <williamk> gremble - yes, at Siyavula : http://www.siyavula.com/, we can create manuals that they have not
[21:50] <williamk> If you know any teachers that are willing to create manuals, using FLOSS software, when this is ready, tell them about it
[21:51] <gremble> Sure
[21:51] <gremble> I lost control over my one urxvt terminal >.>
[21:52] <williamk> Let the teachers contact their fellow subject teachers, and see what they come up with
[21:52] <williamk> The word should spread, and hopefully we will have lots of manuals
[21:53] <williamk> The next step is to get the manuals ratified by the DBE, to be used at schools
[21:54] <gremble> Okay, so you want to make textbooks? Not comprehensive floss documentation?
[21:55] <williamk> As I said above, 1. Documentation for Schools, using the DBE curriculum
[21:56] <williamk> and 2. Certification, ECDL/ICDL LPI
[21:57] <williamk> Those are my 2 interests, but that does not stop anyone else creating other floss documentation
[21:59] <williamk> If you have a look on the Booktype site ( http://52.10.81.81 ), I have created a book "Ubuntu14.04 LTS Server Installation" guide
[21:59] <gremble> Yes. I read that then as well. Right now what I understand: Documentation for schools and 2. etc. They are being done on BookType so far. Still no mention of what is being documented, except that it will be using the DBE curriculum and something-something floss
[22:00] <magespawn> williamk: is that address for the Booktype server a test or is it going to be permenant?
[22:01] <williamk> Each school subject has a curriculum and a manual/textbook, the curriculum is on the DBE site, we/teachers need to create the manual/textbook
[22:04] <gremble> Ah
[22:05] <gremble> Now I understand what is happening
[22:05] <gremble> Textbook writing
[22:05] <williamk> magespawn : I am not the one setting up the server, it is on ec2 at the moment, and it looks like we might be able to get a server
[22:09] <williamk> gremble - Personally I don't know the difference between a textbook or a manual, to me it is the same, I am assuming Textbook for schools, and manuals for ICDL/ECDL, LPI, etc
[22:09] <gremble> Manual is for reference whereas a textbook is for learning
[22:09] <magespawn> so these manuals/textbooks would then be free for all to use?
[22:10] <gremble> Manuals are usually denser and lead by example, where as textbooks generally are easier access
[22:11] <gremble> don't lead by example*
[22:14] <magespawn> you will have my support where i can give it, i am off to bed now, good night all
[22:15] <williamk> "be free for all to use?", yes, we still have to discuss this, possible : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/License
[22:20] <williamk> Ok, good night all
[22:37] <gremble> Cheers guys
[22:42] <melodie> good night
[22:59]  * inetpro just upgraded to KDE Plasma 5.3
[22:59] <inetpro> and immediately seems even faster than before