valorie | Riddell: were the correct changes made to the spreadsheet in time? I asked, and assumed they were | 00:01 |
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valorie | in general I never touch spreadsheets because I tend to break them | 00:01 |
valorie | if the kubuntu proposals stayed as they were, none would have been chosen since none of us could tell what was intended by the ranking numbers | 00:02 |
valorie | sorry to chime in so late, still catching up after being away 4 days | 00:03 |
ahoneybun | hey valorie | 00:25 |
valorie | hello ahoneybun | 00:32 |
valorie | sorry, need to prepare to drive down to see my dad now | 00:32 |
ahoneybun | guess who is free to fly! | 00:32 |
valorie | I always read the backlog, so I know it's you! | 00:34 |
valorie | I've sent my wire info, so I'm hoping i can buy tickets soon | 00:34 |
ahoneybun | lol | 00:41 |
valorie | oh what the hell happened to networking recently -- wired will not connect because of "no secrets" even when I keep re-adding my silly long password | 04:51 |
valorie | and of course nothing has improved with my wireless card | 04:52 |
Etriaph | Since I added the 5.3 PPA yesterday I've had some pretty odd bugs. | 04:52 |
valorie | Etriaph: please *never* advise the use of plasma 5 in anything but vivid | 04:53 |
valorie | neon is gone, and the 14.10 PPAs are toxic | 04:54 |
Etriaph | valorie: I wasn't so much advising that earlier as denoting what path existed. | 04:54 |
Etriaph | valorie: I apologize if that caused you any grief. | 04:54 |
valorie | it will cause *them* grief | 04:55 |
valorie | I've removed the information everywhere possible | 04:55 |
Etriaph | Ah, OK. | 04:55 |
valorie | both worked great when we had the cycles to support them | 04:56 |
valorie | anyway, just a word to the wise -- otherwise, you give great help to folks, so keep doing that! | 04:57 |
valorie | it's always great to see new folks helping out in #kubuntu | 04:57 |
Etriaph | Typically if someone asks a question, I'll provide an answer and trust that they know what to do with it :D | 04:57 |
valorie | and thank you for that | 04:58 |
Etriaph | I guess I should parse my words when someone is trying to use something that's "experimental" | 05:01 |
valorie | it was experimental, then beta, and now released | 05:07 |
valorie | I had a few people beg for Plasma 5 on 14.04! | 05:07 |
valorie | to which.... wut? | 05:07 |
valorie | if you want stable, stick with your LTS | 05:08 |
valorie | you can stick with it for 4 more years, after all | 05:08 |
Etriaph | Plasma 5, itself, is pretty stable. More apps on KF5 will help. | 05:11 |
Etriaph | With only some of the apps using the new library there's less opportunity to weed out bugs. | 05:12 |
valorie | true | 05:17 |
valorie | however, i think the devels have been rather strategic | 05:18 |
valorie | the most important stuff is ported | 05:18 |
valorie | of course I still miss some bits | 05:18 |
Etriaph | Dolphin is still KDE4 | 05:18 |
Etriaph | /cry | 05:18 |
Etriaph | I really want to setup my places. :) | 05:19 |
valorie | I'm sure they would welcome your help, Etriaph | 05:19 |
Etriaph | I took a look at the code for the version of Dolphin we're running and I couldn't see a problem; sent an email to Mr. Edmunson with some questions but never heard back. | 05:21 |
Etriaph | Sho_ suggested I email him. | 05:21 |
valorie | damn it, this is BS -- wired connection worked until today's updates | 05:32 |
Etriaph | I'm on a wired connection and it's working fine, you on a laptop? | 05:33 |
valorie | yes | 05:34 |
valorie | my wireless card is dying, so I prefer to use the wired connection, which has always been stable | 05:35 |
valorie | but as of today's updates, the password is not only not saved, but not used | 05:35 |
valorie | for the wired connection | 05:35 |
Etriaph | You have a password for a wired connection? | 05:36 |
valorie | there is a password to the router | 05:36 |
Etriaph | Ah, roger that. | 05:36 |
valorie | no problem putting it in once | 05:36 |
valorie | anyway, I'll write to the devel list and see what changed, so I can file a bug | 05:37 |
valorie | until then I'll be bouncing in and out from the BNC | 05:37 |
valorie | gah | 05:37 |
ovidiu-florin | ahoneybun: Google added 23 seconds | 05:43 |
lordievader | Good morning. | 08:12 |
soee | Riddell: applications are ready for tests ? | 08:22 |
soee | i see reds | 08:22 |
Riddell | soee: red can be a pretty colour too :) | 08:31 |
soee | Riddell: they wotn break anything in system ? :) | 08:43 |
Riddell | soee: I've no idea, that's the fun of testing | 08:46 |
soee | btw wht is the difference between this 2 packages for thumbs: http://wstaw.org/m/2015/04/29/snapshot6.png | 08:48 |
* Riddell has no idea | 08:50 | |
soee | Riddell: btw in the testers call was typo, not ppa:kubuntu-pps/next-stage2 but ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next-stage2 | 08:51 |
soee | pps->ppa | 08:51 |
Riddell | well spotted | 08:53 |
soee | with stage2 ppa apr wants to remove: calligra-libs digikam karbon libkgeomap2 libmarblewidget20 | 08:54 |
Riddell | that's the sort of testing we need to find out stuff | 08:57 |
Riddell | libmarblewidget20 is now libmarblewidget21 so we'll need to recompile calligra | 08:57 |
Riddell | and libkgeomap is separate so we'll need to recompile digikam | 08:57 |
Riddell | thanks for finding that out :) | 08:57 |
=== Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - 10 years of friendlyness | Applications 15.04 Status http://goo.gl/JnVN6h https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas | plasma 5.3 http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.3.0_vivid.html | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | 15.04 is out - release the plasma! | Reviews: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10914818/ | schedule kickoff meeting http://doodle.com | ||
Riddell | sgclark: I revived https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas because it seems there's a bunch of bits that need kept track of | 09:12 |
Riddell | sgclark: I've listed all the packages that are marked not green or otherwise need to be done | 09:13 |
sitter | Riddell: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_stable_khangman/ | 09:15 |
sitter | red | 09:15 |
Riddell | I like red | 09:19 |
Riddell | fixed | 09:21 |
soee | ;) | 09:33 |
Riddell | Sick_Rimmit: maybe you should vote for these people http://www.ubuntuparty.co.uk/ | 09:51 |
Sick_Rimmit | Riddell: I am a big fan of Ubuntu Party, and Michael Tellingers ideas :-) | 09:51 |
Sick_Rimmit | Riddell: Will you be voting ? | 09:52 |
Riddell | Sick_Rimmit: of course, registered in Edinburgh South, should I vote for Neil Hay or are his twitter crimes unforgiveable? | 09:54 |
Sick_Rimmit | Riddell: Oh the choice of who, and under what reasoning is your priviledge and yours alone | 09:55 |
Sick_Rimmit | Riddell: Delighted that you are partaking though | 09:55 |
sitter | hm | 10:02 |
sitter | Riddell: any error reports about baloo? | 10:02 |
sitter | http://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_daily_promotion_vivid_stable/487/console | 10:02 |
sitter | auto upgrade tester is not too happy with it | 10:02 |
sitter | ah wait, there's an epoch problem | 10:03 |
sitter | oh eh | 10:04 |
sitter | Riddell: that won't fly will it? | 10:04 |
sitter | baloo (the qt4 thing deb) had an epoch | 10:04 |
sitter | now there is a transitional baloo in the kf5 package that doesn't have an epoch | 10:04 |
Riddell | I'm sure I added one | 10:05 |
sitter | yes but it can't work | 10:05 |
sitter | the new baloo binary is << the old | 10:05 |
Riddell | e.g. we have 4:5.9.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1 in kubuntu-ppa/backports | 10:05 |
sitter | Oo | 10:05 |
sitter | Riddell: how does that work? baloo-kf5 source has no epoch | 10:06 |
Riddell | I did some magic in debian/rules to add the epoch | 10:06 |
Riddell | ah "baloo : Depends: baloo-kf5 (= 4:5.9.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1)" | 10:07 |
sitter | Riddell: no | 10:07 |
sitter | yes | 10:07 |
sitter | Riddell: that doesn't work | 10:07 |
Riddell | so it depends on the wrong version | 10:07 |
sitter | baloo-kf5 *is* 5.9.0 | 10:07 |
Riddell | right | 10:07 |
sitter | baloo *needs* to be 4:5.9.0 to be >> baloo 4:4.13 | 10:07 |
sitter | that rules magic is mighty impressive though, to bad it was solving the wrong problem :P | 10:08 |
Riddell | "Depends: baloo-kf5 (= ${source:Version})" needs something else in there | 10:08 |
sitter | noooooooooo | 10:08 |
Riddell | no? | 10:09 |
sitter | the depends isn't the problem | 10:09 |
sitter | gimme a sec | 10:09 |
Riddell | sure it is, baloo "Depends: baloo-kf5 (= 4:5.9.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1)" | 10:09 |
sitter | ah | 10:09 |
sitter | Riddell: yeah you are right nevermind me | 10:09 |
Riddell | somehow that epoch in the depends gets added which is wrong | 10:10 |
sitter | Riddell: simply hardcode? | 10:10 |
sitter | or use upstream:Version | 10:10 |
sitter | source:Upstream-Version | 10:11 |
sitter | The upstream source package version, including the Debian version epoch if any. | 10:11 |
sitter | I get the feeling that manpage entry is wrong | 10:11 |
Riddell | compiling now.. | 10:12 |
Riddell | sitter: should we add 4: epoch to all the ktp packages now it's in applications? | 10:12 |
sitter | Riddell: I vote no on randomly introducing epochs :P | 10:13 |
Riddell | it's not random, its consistency across all of kde applications | 10:13 |
sitter | 'kde applications' is random though | 10:14 |
sitter | things become apps, things might be !apps, things might become plasmas, things might become frameworks | 10:14 |
Riddell | sitter: the version number isn't random, it's consistent | 10:14 |
Riddell | even if the internal version number doesn't match at all | 10:14 |
sitter | Riddell: if something becomes a framework it's not consistent | 10:15 |
Riddell | ktp won't be a framework | 10:15 |
sitter | you don't know that | 10:15 |
sitter | there is zero to be gained from adding an epoch | 10:15 |
Riddell | less faff with the packaging scripts | 10:16 |
sitter | maybe the scripts should be fixed instead? | 10:16 |
sitter | Riddell: oddly enough the source:Upstream-Version substvar really includes the epoch. so hardcoding the dep version is the way to go I suppose | 10:18 |
sitter | makes you wonder how source:Version is different from source:Upstream-Version considering a package version only has two to three components to it and both of those substvars use the same two | 10:20 |
Riddell | sitter: " Depends: baloo-kf5 (= 5.9.0)" is what I end up with if I use "Depends: baloo-kf5 (= ${source:Upstream-Version})" | 10:23 |
Riddell | so that seems perfect | 10:23 |
sitter | ah | 10:24 |
sitter | true true, my test case was wrong xD | 10:24 |
sitter | Riddell: splendid | 10:24 |
sitter | Riddell: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_stable_muon/67/parsed_console/ | 10:25 |
sitter | Riddell: similar for workspace http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_stable_plasma-workspace/75/parsed_console/ | 10:26 |
Tm_T | is qt5 debug packages somewhere available? | 10:28 |
Tm_T | trying to send meaningful crash reports | 10:28 |
Tm_T | plasma keeps crashing on me | 10:28 |
Riddell | qtbase5-dbg Tm_T | 10:33 |
Tm_T | thanks | 10:34 |
sitter | Riddell: if qml files are in a data package should that data package depend on the qml-module packages it needs (making it non-arch-all supposedly) or should they be on a binary package? | 10:37 |
sitter | or perhaps they should only be recommends? | 10:37 |
sitter | or perhaps recommends on data and then duplicated onto binary as depends | 10:37 |
sitter | example being kwin-data | 10:38 |
sitter | Riddell: I think you should have removed the patches what with them being upstream -> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_stable_muon/68/console | 10:44 |
Riddell | sitter: muon fixed thanks | 10:45 |
Riddell | sitter: plasma-workspace fixed thanks | 10:54 |
Riddell | sitter: recommends sounds sensible I guess, maybe mitya57 or Mirv have opinions | 10:55 |
Riddell | sitter: qml could really do with a dh_shlibsqml magic script to pick up dependencies on other qml bits | 10:56 |
sitter | Riddell: nigh impossible that is | 11:03 |
sitter | what with apps being able to manipulate the load paths in all sorts of ways at runtime | 11:03 |
sitter | and it would require pulling runtime deps in as build deps such that one can resolve them at build time which is naughty really | 11:03 |
ovidiu-florin | Riddell: | 11:29 |
ovidiu-florin | <ovidiu-florin> Spads: hello, how can we push #26463 forward? | 11:29 |
ovidiu-florin | <ovidiu-florin> it's deadline was a week ago | 11:29 |
ovidiu-florin | <Spads> we had a release to get out a week ago | 11:29 |
ovidiu-florin | <Spads> So we had to remove that deadline. | 11:29 |
ovidiu-florin | <Spads> We have rather a lot of work in the queue ahead of it, I'm afraid. | 11:29 |
ovidiu-florin | <Spads> as blahdeblah mentioned, we can't guarantee any particular timeframe | 11:29 |
ovidiu-florin | I'm not happy with this | 11:29 |
sitter | engage stepchild mode! | 11:40 |
Riddell | it's pretty predictable | 11:41 |
sitter | sad very sad | 11:44 |
sitter | we should ask around, maybe some server hostery or CDN business would like to host us ;) | 11:45 |
Riddell | we do have a server, but of course it's low powered | 11:48 |
Riddell | we also have money, we can eaily buy another one | 11:48 |
sitter | Riddell: OTOH I am sure someone would like to have their name mentioned on the frontpage in exchange for hosting | 11:51 |
Riddell | I'm sure someone would but we don't want to end up in a place where we sell our souls :) | 11:51 |
Riddell | bytemark may well do | 11:52 |
sitter | at any rate IMO putting it on qa.kubuntu would be a bad idea as that server is not only low powered but also has load spikes due to the crons | 11:52 |
Riddell | true | 11:52 |
Riddell | I'll see Dan Shearer of Bytemark in a couple of weeks, can ask him | 11:52 |
sitter | Riddell: well, we can ask businesses we like | 11:52 |
sitter | on a related note. I think having a managed server would be a boon (i.e. someone else worries about system level updates and uptime ;)) | 11:53 |
Riddell | well that's why ovidiu-florin and jose wanted to let canonical do it | 11:54 |
Riddell | and well the predictable has happened | 11:54 |
sitter | right, hence my suggestion | 11:54 |
ovidiu-florin | I was thinking of hosting it at wordpress | 11:54 |
ovidiu-florin | but apparently it's hard to get in touch with them | 11:55 |
Riddell | wordpress.com will give you one with adverts and limited abiility to install stuff | 11:55 |
Riddell | not great | 11:55 |
sitter | nah | 11:55 |
sitter | they have paied plans | 11:56 |
Riddell | ah | 11:56 |
sitter | business plan is 300 euros per year with unlimited everything | 11:56 |
sitter | premium plan is 99 per year | 11:56 |
sitter | with 13gb storage | 11:57 |
sitter | wordpress.com would have the profound advantage of us not having to worry about anything (alas, also having no control over available plugins and so forth) | 11:58 |
ovidiu-florin | is that too expensive for us? | 11:58 |
Riddell | not really, we have money for it | 11:58 |
ovidiu-florin | it's true that we can't have custom, unregistered plugins, I think | 11:58 |
Riddell | that seems like a blocker | 11:58 |
sitter | well | 11:58 |
sitter | do we need them? | 11:58 |
ovidiu-florin | my point exactly | 11:59 |
Riddell | isn't that what we use? | 11:59 |
Riddell | how is the new site themed? | 11:59 |
sitter | theme != plugin | 11:59 |
ovidiu-florin | http://www.wpbeginner.com/beginners-guide/self-hosted-wordpress-org-vs-free-wordpress-com-infograph/?display=wide | 12:02 |
ovidiu-florin | so, only their themes, no changes, and no plugins | 12:03 |
ovidiu-florin | I vone NO | 12:03 |
ovidiu-florin | vote* | 12:03 |
Riddell | right, too limited | 12:05 |
soee | oh lord, had to burn DVD first time since 2-3 years to install kubuntu :o | 12:06 |
sitter | https://wordpress.org/hosting/ | 12:07 |
soee | ovidiu-florin: whats the problem ? | 12:07 |
ovidiu-florin | I'm talking to the bluehost guys now | 12:09 |
soee | ovidiu-florin: talk with DO, im sure they might be interested with hosting for kubuntu | 12:10 |
ovidiu-florin | Digital Ocean? | 12:10 |
ovidiu-florin | soee: ^ | 12:11 |
soee | yes | 12:11 |
ovidiu-florin | tha's a VPS | 12:11 |
soee | more or less, but best thing if you want to have ful control ver it | 12:11 |
soee | i have 3 droplets there already | 12:11 |
soee | 1 ubuntu and 2 debina | 12:11 |
soee | *debian | 12:11 |
sitter | hm | 12:22 |
sitter | Riddell: kwin packaging is a bit of a mess, half the qml stuff is in kwin.deb other half in kwin-data.deb | 12:22 |
mgraesslin | sitter: that reminds me: I wanted to provide packaging recommendations | 12:23 |
ovidiu-florin | bluehost sound promissing | 12:26 |
ovidiu-florin | I'll write a report | 12:26 |
sitter | mgraesslin: which parts should be installed with x11/wayland? | 12:27 |
sitter | because I was wondering about that the other day xD | 12:27 |
sitter | ovidiu-florin: <3 | 12:27 |
ovidiu-florin | are we registered as a nonprofit? | 12:27 |
mgraesslin | sitter: exactly for that I wanted to do packaging recommendations, like how to split it, how to setup dependencies, etc. | 12:28 |
sitter | ovidiu-florin: we are registered as something in the UK I believe | 12:28 |
sitter | Riddell: ^ | 12:28 |
sitter | mgraesslin: that would be very useful | 12:28 |
mgraesslin | sitter: is there a standard way to distribute packaging information, something like e.g. PACKAGING text file? | 12:30 |
Riddell | mgraesslin: no but a README.Packagers is what some people use. or output messages at the end of cmake output | 12:31 |
sitter | seems a bit too excessive | 12:31 |
sitter | it really doesn't matter where you put the information though | 12:31 |
Riddell | somewhere that we'll read it :) | 12:31 |
Riddell | e-mail release-team@ is one way | 12:31 |
sitter | most people don't read shit unless you explicitly tell them about it, so as long as you send a mail to the distro pacakgers list with a pointer it'll be fine | 12:31 |
mgraesslin | all right | 12:32 |
mgraesslin | will try to get something together | 12:32 |
mgraesslin | and hope it won't outdate too fast ;-) | 12:32 |
sitter | ^^ | 12:33 |
soee | kubuntu 15.04 installed on my parents PC :) now upgrading to Plasma 5.3! | 12:43 |
lordievader | soee: Whoop whoop | 12:43 |
soee | yup :) now i only need to create new users, configure printer and voila | 12:44 |
soee | they didn't liek Unity so i hope they will love this -.- | 12:45 |
lordievader | Who does ;) | 12:45 |
soee | true :D | 12:46 |
soee | guys on my PC @ work and now my parent's i see this when booting: error: /dev/sdb: No medium found | 12:47 |
soee | this line repeats 1 or more times sometimes | 12:48 |
Riddell | sitter: hmm I just noticed kamoso doesn't work because it has a qml depend on purpose, we really need to work out a dh_shlibqml :( | 12:48 |
soee | any idea why ? on my laptop i have no such lines | 12:48 |
sitter | Riddell: you do read my mails to kubuntu-devel do you not? Oo | 12:56 |
sitter | Riddell: relevant read I just wrote -> https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/CI/QMLIgnore | 12:56 |
BluesKaj | Howdy folks | 13:01 |
sgclark | morning | 13:03 |
BluesKaj | well, 15.04/plasma 5.3 seems stable for my setup now, had to do a clean inatall to both / and /home. | 13:07 |
Riddell | sitter: hmm but no errors at http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_unstable_kamoso/2/console ? | 13:11 |
sitter | Riddell: not fully rolled out for all builds yet | 13:12 |
sitter | missing piece was the ignore stuff | 13:12 |
Riddell | ah hah | 13:12 |
sitter | I am reasonable certain I sent a mail about this like 2 weeks ago | 13:13 |
sitter | or even 3 | 13:13 |
sitter | the constant install-remove also is a rather hefty performance hit, so I might need to do some tweaks there | 13:14 |
soee | can i add user that doesnt require password ? | 13:19 |
soee | user manager does not list created user :/ | 13:24 |
soee | if we dont set password for created account, we can't login from sddm | 13:24 |
lordievader | You can set an autologin. | 13:26 |
soee | lordievader: does not work | 13:30 |
soee | if i want to remoe user i have to do it from cli :/ | 13:30 |
soee | kwallet prompts for password each time i login on parent spc - also strange | 13:31 |
sitter | that's because no one bothered to port the pam for kwallet | 13:32 |
soee | and whole desktop freezed :| | 13:33 |
soee | my oh my | 13:33 |
soee | can someone test it: create user wihout password witg autologin option and try to login | 13:37 |
soee | should just fail | 13:37 |
soee | and one more thing: this user wont be listed in user manager in system settings | 13:39 |
sitter | I don't think user-manager should allow you to create a user without password | 13:42 |
lordievader | soee: For the oem user it worked ;) | 13:46 |
soee | ;o | 13:46 |
soee | this whole user manager is strange | 13:50 |
Riddell | can someone try the kamoso package from ppa:jr/ppa ? there's a guy on youtube reporting that it doesn't work (and you know how we like to respond to youtube comments) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmxNODJGD38 | 13:50 |
Riddell | !testers | ↑ | 13:50 |
ubottu | ↑: testers is Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley, alket, SourBlues, sgclark, neo31, vip for information | 13:50 |
Tm_T | uno momento | 13:51 |
Tm_T | "doesn't work" is quite ambiquous | 13:51 |
Tm_T | Riddell: installed | 13:52 |
Tm_T | "0 instead of 1 arguments to message {Switch to '%1' mode} supplied before conversion." | 13:52 |
Tm_T | Failed to create qtquick2videosink. Make sure it is installed correctly | 13:53 |
Tm_T | Segmentation fault (core dumped) | 13:53 |
Riddell | Tm_T: oh good :) | 13:53 |
Riddell | Tm_T: so can you try installing these bits and see what helps? apt-cache search qt5 gstreamer | 13:54 |
Tm_T | will do | 13:54 |
soee | BluesKaj: ping | 13:57 |
Tm_T | plasma crashed 13th time today | 13:57 |
soee | ;) | 13:57 |
Tm_T | I removed taskbar to see if that helps | 13:58 |
Tm_T | Riddell: ...none? | 14:01 |
Riddell | waa, so what is the magic package it needs? | 14:03 |
Riddell | Tm_T: you have gstreamer1.0-x ? | 14:04 |
Tm_T | Riddell: yes | 14:04 |
Tm_T | ...almost every time I run Kamoso Plasma crashes | 14:05 |
Riddell | Tm_T: pastebin the stdout when you run kamoso? | 14:06 |
Tm_T | sure | 14:06 |
Tm_T | https://paste.kde.org/p7nh8eqot | 14:07 |
BluesKaj | soee: yes? | 14:07 |
BluesKaj | soee: pong | 14:07 |
soee | BluesKaj: are you able to test if you can create new user, is it listed in users manager, if you can login to that account without password ? | 14:07 |
Riddell | Tm_T: can you install qtgstreamer-plugins-qt5 ? | 14:12 |
Tm_T | sure | 14:13 |
Tm_T | and that fixed it | 14:13 |
Tm_T | also Plasma didn't crash (= | 14:13 |
Riddell | yay | 14:13 |
Riddell | thanks Tm_T | 14:13 |
Tm_T | haha, I closed it and Plasma crashes | 14:14 |
Tm_T | this is, err, interesting | 14:14 |
BluesKaj | soee: nope , needed a pw to login with new user | 14:14 |
soee | BluesKaj: is it listend in System Settings and User manager ? | 14:14 |
soee | *lited | 14:15 |
soee | Riddell: wy are we able to create user wthout password if it is required to login ? | 14:15 |
BluesKaj | soee: no, it disappeared | 14:16 |
soee | BluesKaj: so same as here, i removed it from cli, but i think if you create third user it will be listed | 14:17 |
ovidiu-florin | How can I run a script on every login on 14.04 ? | 14:29 |
ovidiu-florin | but only on a specific user | 14:30 |
ovidiu-florin | or better | 14:30 |
ovidiu-florin | I want to clear the user's home dir on every boot | 14:30 |
Riddell | put it in ~/.kde/env | 14:30 |
ovidiu-florin | wipe it clean | 14:30 |
Riddell | oh well that won't work :) | 14:30 |
Riddell | use the guest user feature? that should work in 14.04 no? | 14:30 |
ovidiu-florin | that fails sometimes | 14:31 |
ovidiu-florin | I don't understand why | 14:31 |
ovidiu-florin | I can't see any logs | 14:31 |
Riddell | edit /usr/bin/startkde | 14:31 |
ovidiu-florin | that get's executed on every start? | 14:32 |
Riddell | yes | 14:32 |
ovidiu-florin | who calls it? | 14:32 |
Riddell | the login manager will call it to start up the session | 14:33 |
Riddell | it's what's listed in /usr/share/xsession/plasma.desktop | 14:34 |
ovidiu-florin | Can't I add an script to be called on boot? | 14:34 |
ovidiu-florin | and not have to change KDE stuff, because these might get overwritten on update | 14:34 |
Riddell | yes, add to ~/.kde/env | 14:35 |
Riddell | but remember not to delete ~/.kde/env by the script in ~/.kde/env :) | 14:35 |
shadeslayer | sure | 14:35 |
shadeslayer | ovidiu-florin: you could write a upstart script | 14:36 |
ovidiu-florin | Riddell: what about adding it somwhere ot be called by upstart | 14:36 |
ovidiu-florin | ? | 14:36 |
ovidiu-florin | yes | 14:36 |
shadeslayer | but I'd recommend using a guest session tbh | 14:36 |
ovidiu-florin | I can write a bash script but how do I tell upstart to run it? | 14:36 |
ovidiu-florin | ok | 14:36 |
ovidiu-florin | I'll give it a try | 14:36 |
shadeslayer | ovidiu-florin: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/ | 14:36 |
ovidiu-florin | can I rename the Guest user? | 14:36 |
shadeslayer | I think the guest session is a random string or something | 14:37 |
shadeslayer | though i could be wrong | 14:37 |
ovidiu-florin | who can I ask? | 14:37 |
shadeslayer | ovidiu-florin: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#exec | 14:37 |
ovidiu-florin | shadeslayer: about renaming the guest user? | 14:38 |
shadeslayer | not a clue | 14:38 |
shadeslayer | never really bothered with it | 14:38 |
ovidiu-florin | what program creates it? | 14:38 |
ovidiu-florin | what project does that? | 14:38 |
ovidiu-florin | can I make it log in automatically to the Guest user? | 14:39 |
shadeslayer | I think it's from logind | 14:39 |
shadeslayer | oh fun | 14:46 |
shadeslayer | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/1219337 | 14:46 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1219337 in sudo (Ubuntu Vivid) "Users can change the clock without authenticating, allowing them to locally exploit sudo." [Undecided,Confirmed] | 14:46 |
sgclark | Riddell: so I was stumbling through libindi when I found someone has already done the work: https://launchpad.net/~mutlaqja/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages is there anyway we can use this ? | 15:05 |
shadeslayer | Riddell: why is grantlee5 not in git packaging :( | 15:07 |
soee_ | woho one red in apps :) | 15:12 |
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BluesKaj | dropbox icon working in system tray? | 15:29 |
ovidiu-florin | how much does a fresh install occupy? | 15:38 |
mparillo | BluesKaj: Not for me: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/03/system-tray-in-plasma-next/ But the default headless instructions work so well for me, I only run their python scripts for curiosity. | 15:39 |
shadeslayer | Riddell: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s7/doctor-who/interviews/a644356/peter-davison-talks-doctor-whos-music-and-a-five-ish-doctors-sequel.html#~pbg7ylyLSobVEu | 15:40 |
Tm_T | bah, now my touchscreen is wonkers | 16:24 |
Tm_T | first days with 15.04 have been filled with excitement (= | 16:24 |
soee | sgclark: any chance to have apps ready today ? :) | 17:29 |
sgclark | soee: well, seems Riddell left and I need an answer about libindi :( | 17:30 |
_Groo_ | hi/2 all | 18:44 |
_Groo_ | Riddell: hi, is there any ppa with the new bluetooth framework i can test? | 18:45 |
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ovidiu-florin | How do I change the kanguage system wide? | 18:49 |
genii | Is there some 15.04 equivelent to kwin --replace ? | 19:27 |
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genii | OK, so it looks like kwin_wayland or kwin_x11 now then. Curious that there's not something like an update-alternatives which just makes it only kwin | 19:38 |
shadeslayer | genii: too much of a hassle really | 20:33 |
shadeslayer | genii: plus I'm sure startkde hard codes it to X11 or uses a env var to figure out which one to launch | 20:33 |
shadeslayer | so it'll be kind of pointlss | 20:33 |
shadeslayer | and update-alternatives is for things that provide the same functionality, iirc, kwin_x11 and wayland provide very different functionalities | 20:34 |
genii | shadeslayer: Good to know, thanks for the explanation. | 20:35 |
shadeslayer | god I hate the keyboard on the new MBP | 20:36 |
shadeslayer | no key travel at all | 20:36 |
shadeslayer | the 15" one has decent key travel | 20:39 |
shadeslayer | makes me want a X1 Carbon more | 20:39 |
shadeslayer | but it has no Iris graphics or 16 GB ram | 20:39 |
shadeslayer | so conflicted | 20:39 |
shadeslayer | so conflicted | 20:39 |
* ahoneybun wants a smaller laptop | 20:47 | |
shadeslayer | ahoneybun: XPS 13? | 21:12 |
ahoneybun | mostly budget problems | 21:12 |
ahoneybun | there are tons of good looking small laptops | 21:12 |
ahoneybun | most likely would buy from System76 or thinkpenguin | 21:12 |
shadeslayer | I'm more than willing to spend money, but there's nothing useful on the market | 21:14 |
ahoneybun | can't spend money where there is none lol | 21:14 |
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