valorieRiddell: were the correct changes made to the spreadsheet in time? I asked, and assumed they were00:01
valoriein general I never touch spreadsheets because I tend to break them00:01
valorieif the kubuntu proposals stayed as they were, none would have been chosen since none of us could tell what was intended by the ranking numbers00:02
valoriesorry to chime in so late, still catching up after being away 4 days00:03
ahoneybunhey valorie00:25
valoriehello ahoneybun00:32
valoriesorry, need to prepare to drive down to see my dad now00:32
ahoneybunguess who is free to fly!00:32
valorieI always read the backlog, so I know it's you!00:34
valorieI've sent my wire info, so I'm hoping i can buy tickets soon00:34
valorieoh what the hell happened to networking recently -- wired will not connect because of "no secrets" even when I keep re-adding my silly long password04:51
valorieand of course nothing has improved with my wireless card04:52
EtriaphSince I added the 5.3 PPA yesterday I've had some pretty odd bugs.04:52
valorieEtriaph: please *never* advise the use of plasma 5 in anything but vivid04:53
valorieneon is gone, and the 14.10 PPAs are toxic04:54
Etriaphvalorie: I wasn't so much advising that earlier as denoting what path existed.04:54
Etriaphvalorie: I apologize if that caused you any grief.04:54
valorieit will cause *them* grief04:55
valorieI've removed the information everywhere possible04:55
EtriaphAh, OK.04:55
valorieboth worked great when we had the cycles to support them04:56
valorieanyway, just a word to the wise -- otherwise, you give great help to folks, so keep doing that!04:57
valorieit's always great to see new folks helping out in #kubuntu04:57
EtriaphTypically if someone asks a question, I'll provide an answer and trust that they know what to do with it  :D04:57
valorieand thank you for that04:58
EtriaphI guess I should parse my words when someone is trying to use something that's "experimental"05:01
valorieit was experimental, then beta, and now released05:07
valorieI had a few people beg for Plasma 5 on 14.04!05:07
valorieto which.... wut?05:07
valorieif you want stable, stick with your LTS05:08
valorieyou can stick with it for 4 more years, after all05:08
EtriaphPlasma 5, itself, is pretty stable.  More apps on KF5 will help.05:11
EtriaphWith only some of the apps using the new library there's less opportunity to weed out bugs.05:12
valoriehowever, i think the devels have been rather strategic 05:18
valoriethe most important stuff is ported05:18
valorieof course I still miss some bits05:18
EtriaphDolphin is still KDE405:18
EtriaphI really want to setup my places.  :)05:19
valorieI'm sure they would welcome your help, Etriaph05:19
EtriaphI took a look at the code for the version of Dolphin we're running and I couldn't see a problem; sent an email to Mr. Edmunson with some questions but never heard back.05:21
EtriaphSho_ suggested I email him.05:21
valoriedamn it, this is BS -- wired connection worked until today's updates05:32
EtriaphI'm on a wired connection and it's working fine, you on a laptop?05:33
valoriemy wireless card is dying, so I prefer to use the wired connection, which has always been stable05:35
valoriebut as of today's updates, the password is not only not saved, but not used05:35
valoriefor the wired connection05:35
EtriaphYou have a password for a wired connection?05:36
valoriethere is a password to the router05:36
EtriaphAh, roger that.05:36
valorieno problem putting it in once05:36
valorieanyway, I'll write to the devel list and see what changed, so I can file a bug05:37
valorieuntil then I'll be bouncing in and out from the BNC05:37
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: Google added 23 seconds05:43
lordievaderGood morning.08:12
soeeRiddell: applications are ready for tests ?08:22
soeei see reds08:22
Riddellsoee: red can be a pretty colour too :)08:31
soeeRiddell: they wotn break anything in system ? :)08:43
Riddellsoee: I've no idea, that's the fun of testing08:46
soeebtw wht is the difference between this 2 packages for thumbs: http://wstaw.org/m/2015/04/29/snapshot6.png08:48
* Riddell has no idea08:50
soeeRiddell: btw in the testers call was typo, not ppa:kubuntu-pps/next-stage2 but ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next-stage208:51
Riddellwell spotted08:53
soeewith stage2 ppa apr wants to remove: calligra-libs digikam karbon libkgeomap2 libmarblewidget2008:54
Riddellthat's the sort of testing we need to find out stuff08:57
Riddelllibmarblewidget20 is now libmarblewidget21 so we'll need to recompile calligra08:57
Riddelland libkgeomap is separate so we'll need to recompile digikam08:57
Riddellthanks for finding that out :)08:57
=== Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - 10 years of friendlyness | Applications 15.04 Status http://goo.gl/JnVN6h https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas | plasma 5.3 http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.3.0_vivid.html | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | 15.04 is out - release the plasma! | Reviews: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10914818/ | schedule kickoff meeting http://doodle.com
Riddellsgclark: I revived https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas because it seems there's a bunch of bits that need kept track of09:12
Riddellsgclark: I've listed all the packages that are marked not green or otherwise need to be done09:13
sitterRiddell: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_stable_khangman/09:15
RiddellI like red09:19
RiddellSick_Rimmit: maybe you should vote for these people http://www.ubuntuparty.co.uk/09:51
Sick_RimmitRiddell: I am a big fan of Ubuntu Party, and Michael Tellingers ideas :-)09:51
Sick_RimmitRiddell: Will you be voting ?09:52
RiddellSick_Rimmit: of course, registered in Edinburgh South, should I vote for Neil Hay or are his twitter crimes unforgiveable?09:54
Sick_RimmitRiddell: Oh the choice of who, and under what reasoning is your priviledge and yours alone09:55
Sick_RimmitRiddell: Delighted that you are partaking though09:55
sitterRiddell: any error reports about baloo?10:02
sitterauto upgrade tester is not too happy with it10:02
sitterah wait, there's an epoch problem10:03
sitteroh eh10:04
sitterRiddell: that won't fly will it?10:04
sitterbaloo (the qt4 thing deb) had an epoch10:04
sitternow there is a transitional baloo in the kf5 package that doesn't have an epoch10:04
RiddellI'm sure I added one10:05
sitteryes but it can't work10:05
sitterthe new baloo binary is << the old10:05
Riddelle.g. we have 4:5.9.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1 in kubuntu-ppa/backports10:05
sitterRiddell: how does that work? baloo-kf5 source has no epoch10:06
RiddellI did some magic in debian/rules to add the epoch10:06
Riddellah "baloo : Depends: baloo-kf5 (= 4:5.9.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1)"10:07
sitterRiddell: no10:07
sitterRiddell: that doesn't work10:07
Riddellso it depends on the wrong version10:07
sitterbaloo-kf5 *is* 5.9.010:07
sitterbaloo *needs* to be 4:5.9.0 to be >> baloo 4:4.1310:07
sitterthat rules magic is mighty impressive though, to bad it was solving the wrong problem :P10:08
Riddell"Depends: baloo-kf5 (= ${source:Version})" needs something else in there10:08
sitterthe depends isn't the problem 10:09
sittergimme a sec10:09
Riddellsure it is, baloo "Depends: baloo-kf5 (= 4:5.9.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1)"10:09
sitterRiddell: yeah you are right nevermind me10:09
Riddellsomehow that epoch in the depends gets added which is wrong10:10
sitterRiddell: simply hardcode?10:10
sitteror use upstream:Version10:10
sitter       source:Upstream-Version10:11
sitter              The upstream source package version, including the Debian version epoch if any.10:11
sitterI get the feeling that manpage entry is wrong10:11
Riddellcompiling now..10:12
Riddellsitter: should we add 4: epoch to all the ktp packages now it's in applications?10:12
sitterRiddell: I vote no on randomly introducing epochs :P10:13
Riddellit's not random, its consistency across all of kde applications10:13
sitter'kde applications' is random though10:14
sitterthings become apps, things might be !apps, things might become plasmas, things might become frameworks10:14
Riddellsitter: the version number isn't random, it's consistent10:14
Riddelleven if the internal version number doesn't match at all10:14
sitterRiddell: if something becomes a framework it's not consistent10:15
Riddellktp won't be a framework10:15
sitteryou don't know that10:15
sitterthere is zero to be gained from adding an epoch10:15
Riddellless faff with the packaging scripts10:16
sittermaybe the scripts should be fixed instead?10:16
sitterRiddell: oddly enough the source:Upstream-Version substvar really includes the epoch. so hardcoding the dep version is the way to go I suppose10:18
sittermakes you wonder how source:Version is different from source:Upstream-Version considering a package version only has two to three components to it and both of those substvars use the same two10:20
Riddellsitter: " Depends: baloo-kf5 (= 5.9.0)"   is what I end up with if I use "Depends: baloo-kf5 (= ${source:Upstream-Version})"10:23
Riddellso that seems perfect10:23
sittertrue true, my test case was wrong xD10:24
sitterRiddell: splendid10:24
sitterRiddell: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_stable_muon/67/parsed_console/10:25
sitterRiddell: similar for workspace http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_stable_plasma-workspace/75/parsed_console/10:26
Tm_Tis qt5 debug packages somewhere available?10:28
Tm_Ttrying to send meaningful crash reports10:28
Tm_Tplasma keeps crashing on me10:28
Riddellqtbase5-dbg Tm_T 10:33
sitterRiddell: if qml files are in a data package should that data package depend on the qml-module packages it needs (making it non-arch-all supposedly) or should they be on a binary package?10:37
sitteror perhaps they should only be recommends?10:37
sitteror perhaps recommends on data and then duplicated onto binary as depends10:37
sitterexample being kwin-data10:38
sitterRiddell: I think you should have removed the patches what with them being upstream -> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_stable_muon/68/console10:44
Riddellsitter: muon fixed thanks10:45
Riddellsitter: plasma-workspace fixed thanks10:54
Riddellsitter: recommends sounds sensible I guess, maybe mitya57 or Mirv have opinions10:55
Riddellsitter: qml could really do with a dh_shlibsqml magic script to pick up dependencies on other qml bits10:56
sitterRiddell: nigh impossible that is11:03
sitterwhat with apps being able to manipulate the load paths in all sorts of ways at runtime11:03
sitterand it would require pulling runtime deps in as build deps such that one can resolve them at build time which is naughty really11:03
ovidiu-florinRiddell: 11:29
ovidiu-florin<ovidiu-florin> Spads: hello, how can we push #26463 forward?11:29
ovidiu-florin<ovidiu-florin> it's deadline was a week ago11:29
ovidiu-florin<Spads> we had a release to get out a week ago11:29
ovidiu-florin<Spads> So we had to remove that deadline.11:29
ovidiu-florin<Spads> We have rather a lot of work in the queue ahead of it, I'm afraid.11:29
ovidiu-florin<Spads> as blahdeblah mentioned, we can't guarantee any particular timeframe11:29
ovidiu-florinI'm not happy with this11:29
sitterengage stepchild mode!11:40
Riddellit's pretty predictable11:41
sittersad very sad11:44
sitterwe should ask around, maybe some server hostery or CDN business would like to host us ;)11:45
Riddellwe do have a server, but of course it's low powered11:48
Riddellwe also have money, we can eaily buy another one11:48
sitterRiddell: OTOH I am sure someone would like to have their name mentioned on the frontpage in exchange for hosting11:51
RiddellI'm sure someone would but we don't want to end up in a place where we sell our souls :)11:51
Riddellbytemark may well do11:52
sitterat any rate IMO putting it on qa.kubuntu would be a bad idea as that server is not only low powered but also has load spikes due to the crons11:52
RiddellI'll see Dan Shearer of Bytemark in a couple of weeks, can ask him11:52
sitterRiddell: well, we can ask businesses we like11:52
sitteron a related note. I think having a managed server would be a boon (i.e. someone else worries about system level updates and uptime ;))11:53
Riddellwell that's why ovidiu-florin and jose wanted to let canonical do it11:54
Riddelland well the predictable has happened11:54
sitterright, hence my suggestion11:54
ovidiu-florinI was thinking of hosting it at wordpress11:54
ovidiu-florinbut apparently it's hard to get in touch with them11:55
Riddellwordpress.com will give you one with adverts and limited abiility to install stuff11:55
Riddellnot great11:55
sitterthey have paied plans11:56
sitterbusiness plan is 300 euros per year with unlimited everything 11:56
sitterpremium plan is 99 per year11:56
sitterwith 13gb storage11:57
sitterwordpress.com would have the profound advantage of us not having to worry about anything (alas, also having no control over available plugins and so forth)11:58
ovidiu-florinis that too expensive for us?11:58
Riddellnot really, we have money for it11:58
ovidiu-florinit's true that we can't have custom, unregistered plugins, I think11:58
Riddellthat seems like a blocker11:58
sitterdo we need them?11:58
ovidiu-florinmy point exactly11:59
Riddellisn't that what we use?11:59
Riddellhow is the new site themed?11:59
sittertheme != plugin11:59
ovidiu-florinso, only their themes, no changes, and no plugins12:03
ovidiu-florinI vone NO12:03
Riddellright, too limited12:05
soeeoh lord, had to burn DVD first time since 2-3 years to install kubuntu :o12:06
soeeovidiu-florin: whats the problem ?12:07
ovidiu-florinI'm talking to the bluehost guys now12:09
soeeovidiu-florin: talk with DO, im sure they might be interested with hosting for kubuntu12:10
ovidiu-florinDigital Ocean?12:10
ovidiu-florinsoee: ^12:11
ovidiu-florintha's a VPS12:11
soeemore or less, but best thing if you want to have ful control ver it12:11
soeei have 3 droplets there already12:11
soee1 ubuntu and 2 debina12:11
sitterRiddell: kwin packaging is a bit of a mess, half the qml stuff is in kwin.deb other half in kwin-data.deb12:22
mgraesslinsitter: that reminds me: I wanted to provide packaging recommendations12:23
ovidiu-florinbluehost sound promissing12:26
ovidiu-florinI'll write a report12:26
sittermgraesslin: which parts should be installed with x11/wayland?12:27
sitterbecause I was wondering about that the other day xD12:27
sitterovidiu-florin: <312:27
ovidiu-florinare we registered as a nonprofit?12:27
mgraesslinsitter: exactly for that I wanted to do packaging recommendations, like how to split it, how to setup dependencies, etc.12:28
sitterovidiu-florin: we are registered as something in the UK I believe12:28
sitterRiddell: ^12:28
sittermgraesslin: that would be very useful12:28
mgraesslinsitter: is there a standard way to distribute packaging information, something like e.g. PACKAGING text file?12:30
Riddellmgraesslin: no but a README.Packagers is what some people use.  or output messages at the end of cmake output12:31
sitterseems a bit too excessive12:31
sitterit really doesn't matter where you put the information though12:31
Riddellsomewhere that we'll read it :)12:31
Riddelle-mail release-team@ is one way12:31
sittermost people don't read shit unless you explicitly tell them about it, so as long as you send a mail to the distro pacakgers list with a pointer it'll be fine12:31
mgraesslinall right12:32
mgraesslinwill try to get something together12:32
mgraesslinand hope it won't outdate too fast ;-)12:32
soeekubuntu 15.04 installed on my parents PC :) now upgrading to Plasma 5.3!12:43
lordievadersoee: Whoop whoop12:43
soeeyup :) now i only need to create new users, configure printer and voila12:44
soeethey didn't liek Unity so i hope they will love this -.-12:45
lordievaderWho does ;)12:45
soeetrue :D12:46
soeeguys on my PC @ work and now my parent's i see this when booting: error: /dev/sdb: No medium found12:47
soeethis line repeats 1 or more times sometimes12:48
Riddellsitter: hmm I just noticed kamoso doesn't work because it has a qml depend on purpose, we really need to work out a dh_shlibqml :(12:48
soeeany idea why ? on my laptop i have no such lines12:48
sitterRiddell: you do read my mails to kubuntu-devel do you not? Oo12:56
sitterRiddell:  relevant read I just wrote -> https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/CI/QMLIgnore12:56
BluesKajHowdy folks13:01
BluesKajwell, 15.04/plasma 5.3 seems stable for my setup now, had to do a clean inatall to both / and /home.13:07
Riddellsitter: hmm but no errors at http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_unstable_kamoso/2/console ?13:11
sitterRiddell: not fully rolled out for all builds yet13:12
sittermissing piece was the ignore stuff13:12
Riddellah hah13:12
sitterI am reasonable certain I sent a mail about this like 2 weeks ago13:13
sitteror even 313:13
sitterthe constant install-remove also is a rather hefty performance hit, so I might need to do some tweaks there13:14
soeecan i add user that doesnt require password ?13:19
soeeuser manager does not list created user :/13:24
soeeif we dont set password for created account, we can't login from sddm13:24
lordievaderYou can set an autologin.13:26
soeelordievader: does not work13:30
soeeif i want to remoe user i have to do it from cli :/13:30
soeekwallet prompts for password each time i login on parent spc - also strange13:31
sitterthat's because no one bothered to port the pam for kwallet13:32
soeeand whole desktop freezed :|13:33
soeemy oh my13:33
soeecan someone test it: create user wihout password witg autologin option and try to login13:37
soeeshould just fail13:37
soeeand one more thing: this user wont be listed in user manager in system settings13:39
sitterI don't think user-manager should allow you to create a user without password13:42
lordievadersoee: For the oem user it worked ;)13:46
soeethis whole user manager is strange13:50
Riddellcan someone try the kamoso package from ppa:jr/ppa ? there's a guy on youtube reporting that it doesn't work (and you know how we like to respond to youtube comments) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmxNODJGD3813:50
Riddell!testers | ↑13:50
ubottu↑: testers is Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley, alket, SourBlues, sgclark, neo31, vip for information13:50
Tm_Tuno momento13:51
Tm_T"doesn't work" is quite ambiquous13:51
Tm_TRiddell: installed13:52
Tm_T"0 instead of 1 arguments to message {Switch to '%1' mode} supplied before conversion."13:52
Tm_TFailed to create qtquick2videosink. Make sure it is installed correctly13:53
Tm_TSegmentation fault (core dumped)13:53
RiddellTm_T: oh good :)13:53
RiddellTm_T: so can you try installing these bits and see what helps?  apt-cache search qt5 gstreamer13:54
Tm_Twill do13:54
soeeBluesKaj: ping13:57
Tm_Tplasma crashed 13th time today13:57
Tm_TI removed taskbar to see if that helps13:58
Tm_TRiddell: ...none?14:01
Riddellwaa, so what is the magic package it needs?14:03
RiddellTm_T: you have gstreamer1.0-x ?14:04
Tm_TRiddell: yes14:04
Tm_T...almost every time I run Kamoso Plasma crashes14:05
RiddellTm_T: pastebin the stdout when you run kamoso?14:06
BluesKajsoee:  yes?14:07
BluesKajsoee: pong14:07
soeeBluesKaj: are you able to test if you can create new user, is it listed in users manager, if you can login to that account without password ?14:07
RiddellTm_T: can you install  qtgstreamer-plugins-qt5 ?14:12
Tm_Tand that fixed it14:13
Tm_Talso Plasma didn't crash (=14:13
Riddellthanks Tm_T 14:13
Tm_Thaha, I closed it and Plasma crashes14:14
Tm_Tthis is, err, interesting14:14
BluesKajsoee:  nope , needed a pw to login with new user14:14
soeeBluesKaj: is it listend in System Settings and User manager ?14:14
soeeRiddell: wy are we able to create user wthout password if it is required to login ?14:15
BluesKajsoee:  no, it disappeared 14:16
soeeBluesKaj: so same as here, i removed it from cli, but i think  if you create third user it will be listed14:17
ovidiu-florinHow can I run a script on every login on 14.04 ?14:29
ovidiu-florinbut only on a specific user14:30
ovidiu-florinor better14:30
ovidiu-florinI want to clear the user's home dir on every boot14:30
Riddellput it in ~/.kde/env14:30
ovidiu-florinwipe it clean14:30
Riddelloh well that won't work :)14:30
Riddelluse the guest user feature? that should work in 14.04 no?14:30
ovidiu-florinthat fails sometimes14:31
ovidiu-florinI don't understand why14:31
ovidiu-florinI can't see any logs14:31
Riddelledit /usr/bin/startkde14:31
ovidiu-florinthat get's executed on every start?14:32
ovidiu-florinwho calls it?14:32
Riddellthe login manager will call it to start up the session14:33
Riddellit's what's listed in /usr/share/xsession/plasma.desktop14:34
ovidiu-florinCan't I add an script to be called on boot?14:34
ovidiu-florinand not have to change KDE stuff, because these might get overwritten on update14:34
Riddellyes, add to ~/.kde/env14:35
Riddellbut remember not to delete ~/.kde/env by the script in ~/.kde/env :)14:35
shadeslayerovidiu-florin: you could write a upstart script14:36
ovidiu-florinRiddell: what about adding it somwhere ot be called by upstart14:36
shadeslayerbut I'd recommend using a guest session tbh14:36
ovidiu-florinI can write a bash script but how do I tell upstart to run it?14:36
ovidiu-florinI'll give it a try14:36
shadeslayerovidiu-florin: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/14:36
ovidiu-florincan I rename the Guest user?14:36
shadeslayerI think the guest session is a random string or something14:37
shadeslayerthough i could be wrong14:37
ovidiu-florinwho can I ask?14:37
shadeslayerovidiu-florin: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#exec14:37
ovidiu-florinshadeslayer: about renaming the guest user?14:38
shadeslayernot a clue14:38
shadeslayernever really bothered with it14:38
ovidiu-florinwhat program creates it?14:38
ovidiu-florinwhat project does that?14:38
ovidiu-florincan I make it log in automatically to the Guest user?14:39
shadeslayerI think it's from logind14:39
shadeslayeroh fun14:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1219337 in sudo (Ubuntu Vivid) "Users can change the clock without authenticating, allowing them to locally exploit sudo." [Undecided,Confirmed]14:46
sgclarkRiddell: so I was stumbling through libindi when I found someone has already done the work: https://launchpad.net/~mutlaqja/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages is there anyway we can use this ?15:05
shadeslayerRiddell: why is grantlee5 not in git packaging :(15:07
soee_woho one red in apps :)15:12
=== soee_ is now known as soee
BluesKajdropbox icon working in system tray?15:29
ovidiu-florinhow much does a fresh install occupy?15:38
mparilloBluesKaj: Not for me: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/03/system-tray-in-plasma-next/ But the default headless instructions work so well for me, I only run their python scripts for curiosity.15:39
shadeslayerRiddell: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s7/doctor-who/interviews/a644356/peter-davison-talks-doctor-whos-music-and-a-five-ish-doctors-sequel.html#~pbg7ylyLSobVEu15:40
Tm_Tbah, now my touchscreen is wonkers16:24
Tm_Tfirst days with 15.04 have been filled with excitement (=16:24
soeesgclark: any chance to have apps ready today ? :)17:29
sgclarksoee: well, seems Riddell left and I need an answer about libindi :(17:30
_Groo_hi/2 all18:44
_Groo_Riddell: hi, is there any ppa with the new bluetooth framework i can test?18:45
=== aaron__ is now known as ahoneybun
ovidiu-florinHow do I change the kanguage system wide?18:49
geniiIs there some 15.04 equivelent to kwin --replace ?19:27
=== aaron__ is now known as ahoneybun
geniiOK, so it looks like kwin_wayland or kwin_x11 now then. Curious that there's not something like an update-alternatives which just makes it only kwin 19:38
shadeslayergenii: too much of a hassle really20:33
shadeslayergenii: plus I'm sure startkde hard codes it to X11 or uses a env var to figure out which one to launch20:33
shadeslayerso it'll be kind of pointlss20:33
shadeslayerand update-alternatives is for things that provide the same functionality, iirc, kwin_x11 and wayland provide very different functionalities20:34
geniishadeslayer: Good to know, thanks for the explanation.20:35
shadeslayergod I hate the keyboard on the new MBP20:36
shadeslayerno key travel at all20:36
shadeslayerthe 15" one has decent key travel20:39
shadeslayermakes me want a X1 Carbon more20:39
shadeslayerbut it has no Iris graphics or 16 GB ram20:39
shadeslayerso conflicted20:39
shadeslayerso conflicted20:39
* ahoneybun wants a smaller laptop20:47
shadeslayerahoneybun: XPS 13?21:12
ahoneybunmostly budget problems21:12
ahoneybunthere are tons of good looking small laptops21:12
ahoneybunmost likely would buy from System76 or thinkpenguin21:12
shadeslayerI'm more than willing to spend money, but there's nothing useful on the market21:14
ahoneybuncan't spend money where there is none lol21:14

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