[00:01] <valorie> Riddell: were the correct changes made to the spreadsheet in time? I asked, and assumed they were
[00:01] <valorie> in general I never touch spreadsheets because I tend to break them
[00:02] <valorie> if the kubuntu proposals stayed as they were, none would have been chosen since none of us could tell what was intended by the ranking numbers
[00:03] <valorie> sorry to chime in so late, still catching up after being away 4 days
[00:25] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[00:32] <valorie> hello ahoneybun
[00:32] <valorie> sorry, need to prepare to drive down to see my dad now
[00:32] <ahoneybun> guess who is free to fly!
[00:34] <valorie> I always read the backlog, so I know it's you!
[00:34] <valorie> I've sent my wire info, so I'm hoping i can buy tickets soon
[00:41] <ahoneybun> lol
[04:51] <valorie> oh what the hell happened to networking recently -- wired will not connect because of "no secrets" even when I keep re-adding my silly long password
[04:52] <valorie> and of course nothing has improved with my wireless card
[04:52] <Etriaph> Since I added the 5.3 PPA yesterday I've had some pretty odd bugs.
[04:53] <valorie> Etriaph: please *never* advise the use of plasma 5 in anything but vivid
[04:54] <valorie> neon is gone, and the 14.10 PPAs are toxic
[04:54] <Etriaph> valorie: I wasn't so much advising that earlier as denoting what path existed.
[04:54] <Etriaph> valorie: I apologize if that caused you any grief.
[04:55] <valorie> it will cause *them* grief
[04:55] <valorie> I've removed the information everywhere possible
[04:55] <Etriaph> Ah, OK.
[04:56] <valorie> both worked great when we had the cycles to support them
[04:57] <valorie> anyway, just a word to the wise -- otherwise, you give great help to folks, so keep doing that!
[04:57] <valorie> it's always great to see new folks helping out in #kubuntu
[04:57] <Etriaph> Typically if someone asks a question, I'll provide an answer and trust that they know what to do with it  :D
[04:58] <valorie> and thank you for that
[05:01] <Etriaph> I guess I should parse my words when someone is trying to use something that's "experimental"
[05:07] <valorie> it was experimental, then beta, and now released
[05:07] <valorie> I had a few people beg for Plasma 5 on 14.04!
[05:07] <valorie> to which.... wut?
[05:08] <valorie> if you want stable, stick with your LTS
[05:08] <valorie> you can stick with it for 4 more years, after all
[05:11] <Etriaph> Plasma 5, itself, is pretty stable.  More apps on KF5 will help.
[05:12] <Etriaph> With only some of the apps using the new library there's less opportunity to weed out bugs.
[05:17] <valorie> true
[05:18] <valorie> however, i think the devels have been rather strategic 
[05:18] <valorie> the most important stuff is ported
[05:18] <valorie> of course I still miss some bits
[05:18] <Etriaph> Dolphin is still KDE4
[05:18] <Etriaph> /cry
[05:19] <Etriaph> I really want to setup my places.  :)
[05:19] <valorie> I'm sure they would welcome your help, Etriaph
[05:21] <Etriaph> I took a look at the code for the version of Dolphin we're running and I couldn't see a problem; sent an email to Mr. Edmunson with some questions but never heard back.
[05:21] <Etriaph> Sho_ suggested I email him.
[05:32] <valorie> damn it, this is BS -- wired connection worked until today's updates
[05:33] <Etriaph> I'm on a wired connection and it's working fine, you on a laptop?
[05:34] <valorie> yes
[05:35] <valorie> my wireless card is dying, so I prefer to use the wired connection, which has always been stable
[05:35] <valorie> but as of today's updates, the password is not only not saved, but not used
[05:35] <valorie> for the wired connection
[05:36] <Etriaph> You have a password for a wired connection?
[05:36] <valorie> there is a password to the router
[05:36] <Etriaph> Ah, roger that.
[05:36] <valorie> no problem putting it in once
[05:37] <valorie> anyway, I'll write to the devel list and see what changed, so I can file a bug
[05:37] <valorie> until then I'll be bouncing in and out from the BNC
[05:37] <valorie> gah
[05:43] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: Google added 23 seconds
[08:12] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:22] <soee> Riddell: applications are ready for tests ?
[08:22] <soee> i see reds
[08:31] <Riddell> soee: red can be a pretty colour too :)
[08:43] <soee> Riddell: they wotn break anything in system ? :)
[08:46] <Riddell> soee: I've no idea, that's the fun of testing
[08:48] <soee> btw wht is the difference between this 2 packages for thumbs: http://wstaw.org/m/2015/04/29/snapshot6.png
[08:50]  * Riddell has no idea
[08:51] <soee> Riddell: btw in the testers call was typo, not ppa:kubuntu-pps/next-stage2 but ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next-stage2
[08:51] <soee> pps->ppa
[08:53] <Riddell> well spotted
[08:54] <soee> with stage2 ppa apr wants to remove: calligra-libs digikam karbon libkgeomap2 libmarblewidget20
[08:57] <Riddell> that's the sort of testing we need to find out stuff
[08:57] <Riddell> libmarblewidget20 is now libmarblewidget21 so we'll need to recompile calligra
[08:57] <Riddell> and libkgeomap is separate so we'll need to recompile digikam
[08:57] <Riddell> thanks for finding that out :)
[09:12] <Riddell> sgclark: I revived https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas because it seems there's a bunch of bits that need kept track of
[09:13] <Riddell> sgclark: I've listed all the packages that are marked not green or otherwise need to be done
[09:15] <sitter> Riddell: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_stable_khangman/
[09:15] <sitter> red
[09:19] <Riddell> I like red
[09:21] <Riddell> fixed
[09:33] <soee> ;)
[09:51] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: maybe you should vote for these people http://www.ubuntuparty.co.uk/
[09:51] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: I am a big fan of Ubuntu Party, and Michael Tellingers ideas :-)
[09:52] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Will you be voting ?
[09:54] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: of course, registered in Edinburgh South, should I vote for Neil Hay or are his twitter crimes unforgiveable?
[09:55] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Oh the choice of who, and under what reasoning is your priviledge and yours alone
[09:55] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Delighted that you are partaking though
[10:02] <sitter> hm
[10:02] <sitter> Riddell: any error reports about baloo?
[10:02] <sitter> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_daily_promotion_vivid_stable/487/console
[10:02] <sitter> auto upgrade tester is not too happy with it
[10:03] <sitter> ah wait, there's an epoch problem
[10:04] <sitter> oh eh
[10:04] <sitter> Riddell: that won't fly will it?
[10:04] <sitter> baloo (the qt4 thing deb) had an epoch
[10:04] <sitter> now there is a transitional baloo in the kf5 package that doesn't have an epoch
[10:05] <Riddell> I'm sure I added one
[10:05] <sitter> yes but it can't work
[10:05] <sitter> the new baloo binary is << the old
[10:05] <Riddell> e.g. we have 4:5.9.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1 in kubuntu-ppa/backports
[10:05] <sitter> Oo
[10:06] <sitter> Riddell: how does that work? baloo-kf5 source has no epoch
[10:06] <Riddell> I did some magic in debian/rules to add the epoch
[10:07] <Riddell> ah "baloo : Depends: baloo-kf5 (= 4:5.9.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1)"
[10:07] <sitter> Riddell: no
[10:07] <sitter> yes
[10:07] <sitter> Riddell: that doesn't work
[10:07] <Riddell> so it depends on the wrong version
[10:07] <sitter> baloo-kf5 *is* 5.9.0
[10:07] <Riddell> right
[10:07] <sitter> baloo *needs* to be 4:5.9.0 to be >> baloo 4:4.13
[10:08] <sitter> that rules magic is mighty impressive though, to bad it was solving the wrong problem :P
[10:08] <Riddell> "Depends: baloo-kf5 (= ${source:Version})" needs something else in there
[10:08] <sitter> noooooooooo
[10:09] <Riddell> no?
[10:09] <sitter> the depends isn't the problem 
[10:09] <sitter> gimme a sec
[10:09] <Riddell> sure it is, baloo "Depends: baloo-kf5 (= 4:5.9.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1)"
[10:09] <sitter> ah
[10:09] <sitter> Riddell: yeah you are right nevermind me
[10:10] <Riddell> somehow that epoch in the depends gets added which is wrong
[10:10] <sitter> Riddell: simply hardcode?
[10:10] <sitter> or use upstream:Version
[10:11] <sitter>        source:Upstream-Version
[10:11] <sitter>               The upstream source package version, including the Debian version epoch if any.
[10:11] <sitter> I get the feeling that manpage entry is wrong
[10:12] <Riddell> compiling now..
[10:12] <Riddell> sitter: should we add 4: epoch to all the ktp packages now it's in applications?
[10:13] <sitter> Riddell: I vote no on randomly introducing epochs :P
[10:13] <Riddell> it's not random, its consistency across all of kde applications
[10:14] <sitter> 'kde applications' is random though
[10:14] <sitter> things become apps, things might be !apps, things might become plasmas, things might become frameworks
[10:14] <Riddell> sitter: the version number isn't random, it's consistent
[10:14] <Riddell> even if the internal version number doesn't match at all
[10:15] <sitter> Riddell: if something becomes a framework it's not consistent
[10:15] <Riddell> ktp won't be a framework
[10:15] <sitter> you don't know that
[10:15] <sitter> there is zero to be gained from adding an epoch
[10:16] <Riddell> less faff with the packaging scripts
[10:16] <sitter> maybe the scripts should be fixed instead?
[10:18] <sitter> Riddell: oddly enough the source:Upstream-Version substvar really includes the epoch. so hardcoding the dep version is the way to go I suppose
[10:20] <sitter> makes you wonder how source:Version is different from source:Upstream-Version considering a package version only has two to three components to it and both of those substvars use the same two
[10:23] <Riddell> sitter: " Depends: baloo-kf5 (= 5.9.0)"   is what I end up with if I use "Depends: baloo-kf5 (= ${source:Upstream-Version})"
[10:23] <Riddell> so that seems perfect
[10:24] <sitter> ah
[10:24] <sitter> true true, my test case was wrong xD
[10:24] <sitter> Riddell: splendid
[10:25] <sitter> Riddell: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_stable_muon/67/parsed_console/
[10:26] <sitter> Riddell: similar for workspace http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_stable_plasma-workspace/75/parsed_console/
[10:28] <Tm_T> is qt5 debug packages somewhere available?
[10:28] <Tm_T> trying to send meaningful crash reports
[10:28] <Tm_T> plasma keeps crashing on me
[10:33] <Riddell> qtbase5-dbg Tm_T 
[10:34] <Tm_T> thanks
[10:37] <sitter> Riddell: if qml files are in a data package should that data package depend on the qml-module packages it needs (making it non-arch-all supposedly) or should they be on a binary package?
[10:37] <sitter> or perhaps they should only be recommends?
[10:37] <sitter> or perhaps recommends on data and then duplicated onto binary as depends
[10:38] <sitter> example being kwin-data
[10:44] <sitter> Riddell: I think you should have removed the patches what with them being upstream -> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_stable_muon/68/console
[10:45] <Riddell> sitter: muon fixed thanks
[10:54] <Riddell> sitter: plasma-workspace fixed thanks
[10:55] <Riddell> sitter: recommends sounds sensible I guess, maybe mitya57 or Mirv have opinions
[10:56] <Riddell> sitter: qml could really do with a dh_shlibsqml magic script to pick up dependencies on other qml bits
[11:03] <sitter> Riddell: nigh impossible that is
[11:03] <sitter> what with apps being able to manipulate the load paths in all sorts of ways at runtime
[11:03] <sitter> and it would require pulling runtime deps in as build deps such that one can resolve them at build time which is naughty really
[11:29] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: 
 Spads: hello, how can we push #26463 forward?
 it's deadline was a week ago
 we had a release to get out a week ago
 So we had to remove that deadline.
 We have rather a lot of work in the queue ahead of it, I'm afraid.
 as blahdeblah mentioned, we can't guarantee any particular timeframe
[11:29] <ovidiu-florin> I'm not happy with this
[11:40] <sitter> engage stepchild mode!
[11:41] <Riddell> it's pretty predictable
[11:44] <sitter> sad very sad
[11:45] <sitter> we should ask around, maybe some server hostery or CDN business would like to host us ;)
[11:48] <Riddell> we do have a server, but of course it's low powered
[11:48] <Riddell> we also have money, we can eaily buy another one
[11:51] <sitter> Riddell: OTOH I am sure someone would like to have their name mentioned on the frontpage in exchange for hosting
[11:51] <Riddell> I'm sure someone would but we don't want to end up in a place where we sell our souls :)
[11:52] <Riddell> bytemark may well do
[11:52] <sitter> at any rate IMO putting it on qa.kubuntu would be a bad idea as that server is not only low powered but also has load spikes due to the crons
[11:52] <Riddell> true
[11:52] <Riddell> I'll see Dan Shearer of Bytemark in a couple of weeks, can ask him
[11:52] <sitter> Riddell: well, we can ask businesses we like
[11:53] <sitter> on a related note. I think having a managed server would be a boon (i.e. someone else worries about system level updates and uptime ;))
[11:54] <Riddell> well that's why ovidiu-florin and jose wanted to let canonical do it
[11:54] <Riddell> and well the predictable has happened
[11:54] <sitter> right, hence my suggestion
[11:54] <ovidiu-florin> I was thinking of hosting it at wordpress
[11:55] <ovidiu-florin> but apparently it's hard to get in touch with them
[11:55] <Riddell> wordpress.com will give you one with adverts and limited abiility to install stuff
[11:55] <Riddell> not great
[11:55] <sitter> nah
[11:56] <sitter> they have paied plans
[11:56] <Riddell> ah
[11:56] <sitter> business plan is 300 euros per year with unlimited everything 
[11:56] <sitter> premium plan is 99 per year
[11:57] <sitter> with 13gb storage
[11:58] <sitter> wordpress.com would have the profound advantage of us not having to worry about anything (alas, also having no control over available plugins and so forth)
[11:58] <ovidiu-florin> is that too expensive for us?
[11:58] <Riddell> not really, we have money for it
[11:58] <ovidiu-florin> it's true that we can't have custom, unregistered plugins, I think
[11:58] <Riddell> that seems like a blocker
[11:58] <sitter> well
[11:58] <sitter> do we need them?
[11:59] <ovidiu-florin> my point exactly
[11:59] <Riddell> isn't that what we use?
[11:59] <Riddell> how is the new site themed?
[11:59] <sitter> theme != plugin
[12:02] <ovidiu-florin> http://www.wpbeginner.com/beginners-guide/self-hosted-wordpress-org-vs-free-wordpress-com-infograph/?display=wide
[12:03] <ovidiu-florin> so, only their themes, no changes, and no plugins
[12:03] <ovidiu-florin> I vone NO
[12:03] <ovidiu-florin> vote*
[12:05] <Riddell> right, too limited
[12:06] <soee> oh lord, had to burn DVD first time since 2-3 years to install kubuntu :o
[12:07] <sitter> https://wordpress.org/hosting/
[12:07] <soee> ovidiu-florin: whats the problem ?
[12:09] <ovidiu-florin> I'm talking to the bluehost guys now
[12:10] <soee> ovidiu-florin: talk with DO, im sure they might be interested with hosting for kubuntu
[12:10] <ovidiu-florin> Digital Ocean?
[12:11] <ovidiu-florin> soee: ^
[12:11] <soee> yes
[12:11] <ovidiu-florin> tha's a VPS
[12:11] <soee> more or less, but best thing if you want to have ful control ver it
[12:11] <soee> i have 3 droplets there already
[12:11] <soee> 1 ubuntu and 2 debina
[12:11] <soee> *debian
[12:22] <sitter> hm
[12:22] <sitter> Riddell: kwin packaging is a bit of a mess, half the qml stuff is in kwin.deb other half in kwin-data.deb
[12:23] <mgraesslin> sitter: that reminds me: I wanted to provide packaging recommendations
[12:26] <ovidiu-florin> bluehost sound promissing
[12:26] <ovidiu-florin> I'll write a report
[12:27] <sitter> mgraesslin: which parts should be installed with x11/wayland?
[12:27] <sitter> because I was wondering about that the other day xD
[12:27] <sitter> ovidiu-florin: <3
[12:27] <ovidiu-florin> are we registered as a nonprofit?
[12:28] <mgraesslin> sitter: exactly for that I wanted to do packaging recommendations, like how to split it, how to setup dependencies, etc.
[12:28] <sitter> ovidiu-florin: we are registered as something in the UK I believe
[12:28] <sitter> Riddell: ^
[12:28] <sitter> mgraesslin: that would be very useful
[12:30] <mgraesslin> sitter: is there a standard way to distribute packaging information, something like e.g. PACKAGING text file?
[12:31] <Riddell> mgraesslin: no but a README.Packagers is what some people use.  or output messages at the end of cmake output
[12:31] <sitter> seems a bit too excessive
[12:31] <sitter> it really doesn't matter where you put the information though
[12:31] <Riddell> somewhere that we'll read it :)
[12:31] <Riddell> e-mail release-team@ is one way
[12:31] <sitter> most people don't read shit unless you explicitly tell them about it, so as long as you send a mail to the distro pacakgers list with a pointer it'll be fine
[12:32] <mgraesslin> all right
[12:32] <mgraesslin> will try to get something together
[12:32] <mgraesslin> and hope it won't outdate too fast ;-)
[12:33] <sitter> ^^
[12:43] <soee> kubuntu 15.04 installed on my parents PC :) now upgrading to Plasma 5.3!
[12:43] <lordievader> soee: Whoop whoop
[12:44] <soee> yup :) now i only need to create new users, configure printer and voila
[12:45] <soee> they didn't liek Unity so i hope they will love this -.-
[12:45] <lordievader> Who does ;)
[12:46] <soee> true :D
[12:47] <soee> guys on my PC @ work and now my parent's i see this when booting: error: /dev/sdb: No medium found
[12:48] <soee> this line repeats 1 or more times sometimes
[12:48] <Riddell> sitter: hmm I just noticed kamoso doesn't work because it has a qml depend on purpose, we really need to work out a dh_shlibqml :(
[12:48] <soee> any idea why ? on my laptop i have no such lines
[12:56] <sitter> Riddell: you do read my mails to kubuntu-devel do you not? Oo
[12:56] <sitter> Riddell:  relevant read I just wrote -> https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/CI/QMLIgnore
[13:01] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:03] <sgclark> morning
[13:07] <BluesKaj> well, 15.04/plasma 5.3 seems stable for my setup now, had to do a clean inatall to both / and /home.
[13:11] <Riddell> sitter: hmm but no errors at http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_unstable_kamoso/2/console ?
[13:12] <sitter> Riddell: not fully rolled out for all builds yet
[13:12] <sitter> missing piece was the ignore stuff
[13:12] <Riddell> ah hah
[13:13] <sitter> I am reasonable certain I sent a mail about this like 2 weeks ago
[13:13] <sitter> or even 3
[13:14] <sitter> the constant install-remove also is a rather hefty performance hit, so I might need to do some tweaks there
[13:19] <soee> can i add user that doesnt require password ?
[13:24] <soee> user manager does not list created user :/
[13:24] <soee> if we dont set password for created account, we can't login from sddm
[13:26] <lordievader> You can set an autologin.
[13:30] <soee> lordievader: does not work
[13:30] <soee> if i want to remoe user i have to do it from cli :/
[13:31] <soee> kwallet prompts for password each time i login on parent spc - also strange
[13:32] <sitter> that's because no one bothered to port the pam for kwallet
[13:33] <soee> and whole desktop freezed :|
[13:33] <soee> my oh my
[13:37] <soee> can someone test it: create user wihout password witg autologin option and try to login
[13:37] <soee> should just fail
[13:39] <soee> and one more thing: this user wont be listed in user manager in system settings
[13:42] <sitter> I don't think user-manager should allow you to create a user without password
[13:46] <lordievader> soee: For the oem user it worked ;)
[13:46] <soee> ;o
[13:50] <soee> this whole user manager is strange
[13:50] <Riddell> can someone try the kamoso package from ppa:jr/ppa ? there's a guy on youtube reporting that it doesn't work (and you know how we like to respond to youtube comments) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmxNODJGD38
[13:50] <Riddell> !testers | ↑
[13:51] <Tm_T> uno momento
[13:51] <Tm_T> "doesn't work" is quite ambiquous
[13:52] <Tm_T> Riddell: installed
[13:52] <Tm_T> "0 instead of 1 arguments to message {Switch to '%1' mode} supplied before conversion."
[13:53] <Tm_T> Failed to create qtquick2videosink. Make sure it is installed correctly
[13:53] <Tm_T> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[13:53] <Riddell> Tm_T: oh good :)
[13:54] <Riddell> Tm_T: so can you try installing these bits and see what helps?  apt-cache search qt5 gstreamer
[13:54] <Tm_T> will do
[13:57] <soee> BluesKaj: ping
[13:57] <Tm_T> plasma crashed 13th time today
[13:57] <soee> ;)
[13:58] <Tm_T> I removed taskbar to see if that helps
[14:01] <Tm_T> Riddell: ...none?
[14:03] <Riddell> waa, so what is the magic package it needs?
[14:04] <Riddell> Tm_T: you have gstreamer1.0-x ?
[14:04] <Tm_T> Riddell: yes
[14:05] <Tm_T> ...almost every time I run Kamoso Plasma crashes
[14:06] <Riddell> Tm_T: pastebin the stdout when you run kamoso?
[14:06] <Tm_T> sure
[14:07] <Tm_T> https://paste.kde.org/p7nh8eqot
[14:07] <BluesKaj> soee:  yes?
[14:07] <BluesKaj> soee: pong
[14:07] <soee> BluesKaj: are you able to test if you can create new user, is it listed in users manager, if you can login to that account without password ?
[14:12] <Riddell> Tm_T: can you install  qtgstreamer-plugins-qt5 ?
[14:13] <Tm_T> sure
[14:13] <Tm_T> and that fixed it
[14:13] <Tm_T> also Plasma didn't crash (=
[14:13] <Riddell> yay
[14:13] <Riddell> thanks Tm_T 
[14:14] <Tm_T> haha, I closed it and Plasma crashes
[14:14] <Tm_T> this is, err, interesting
[14:14] <BluesKaj> soee:  nope , needed a pw to login with new user
[14:14] <soee> BluesKaj: is it listend in System Settings and User manager ?
[14:15] <soee> *lited
[14:15] <soee> Riddell: wy are we able to create user wthout password if it is required to login ?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> soee:  no, it disappeared 
[14:17] <soee> BluesKaj: so same as here, i removed it from cli, but i think  if you create third user it will be listed
[14:29] <ovidiu-florin> How can I run a script on every login on 14.04 ?
[14:30] <ovidiu-florin> but only on a specific user
[14:30] <ovidiu-florin> or better
[14:30] <ovidiu-florin> I want to clear the user's home dir on every boot
[14:30] <Riddell> put it in ~/.kde/env
[14:30] <ovidiu-florin> wipe it clean
[14:30] <Riddell> oh well that won't work :)
[14:30] <Riddell> use the guest user feature? that should work in 14.04 no?
[14:31] <ovidiu-florin> that fails sometimes
[14:31] <ovidiu-florin> I don't understand why
[14:31] <ovidiu-florin> I can't see any logs
[14:31] <Riddell> edit /usr/bin/startkde
[14:32] <ovidiu-florin> that get's executed on every start?
[14:32] <Riddell> yes
[14:32] <ovidiu-florin> who calls it?
[14:33] <Riddell> the login manager will call it to start up the session
[14:34] <Riddell> it's what's listed in /usr/share/xsession/plasma.desktop
[14:34] <ovidiu-florin> Can't I add an script to be called on boot?
[14:34] <ovidiu-florin> and not have to change KDE stuff, because these might get overwritten on update
[14:35] <Riddell> yes, add to ~/.kde/env
[14:35] <Riddell> but remember not to delete ~/.kde/env by the script in ~/.kde/env :)
[14:35] <shadeslayer> sure
[14:36] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: you could write a upstart script
[14:36] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: what about adding it somwhere ot be called by upstart
[14:36] <ovidiu-florin> ?
[14:36] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[14:36] <shadeslayer> but I'd recommend using a guest session tbh
[14:36] <ovidiu-florin> I can write a bash script but how do I tell upstart to run it?
[14:36] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[14:36] <ovidiu-florin> I'll give it a try
[14:36] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/
[14:36] <ovidiu-florin> can I rename the Guest user?
[14:37] <shadeslayer> I think the guest session is a random string or something
[14:37] <shadeslayer> though i could be wrong
[14:37] <ovidiu-florin> who can I ask?
[14:37] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#exec
[14:38] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: about renaming the guest user?
[14:38] <shadeslayer> not a clue
[14:38] <shadeslayer> never really bothered with it
[14:38] <ovidiu-florin> what program creates it?
[14:38] <ovidiu-florin> what project does that?
[14:39] <ovidiu-florin> can I make it log in automatically to the Guest user?
[14:39] <shadeslayer> I think it's from logind
[14:46] <shadeslayer> oh fun
[14:46] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/1219337
[15:05] <sgclark> Riddell: so I was stumbling through libindi when I found someone has already done the work: https://launchpad.net/~mutlaqja/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages is there anyway we can use this ?
[15:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: why is grantlee5 not in git packaging :(
[15:12] <soee_> woho one red in apps :)
[15:29] <BluesKaj> dropbox icon working in system tray?
[15:38] <ovidiu-florin> how much does a fresh install occupy?
[15:39] <mparillo> BluesKaj: Not for me: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/03/system-tray-in-plasma-next/ But the default headless instructions work so well for me, I only run their python scripts for curiosity.
[15:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s7/doctor-who/interviews/a644356/peter-davison-talks-doctor-whos-music-and-a-five-ish-doctors-sequel.html#~pbg7ylyLSobVEu
[16:24] <Tm_T> bah, now my touchscreen is wonkers
[16:24] <Tm_T> first days with 15.04 have been filled with excitement (=
[17:29] <soee> sgclark: any chance to have apps ready today ? :)
[17:30] <sgclark> soee: well, seems Riddell left and I need an answer about libindi :(
[18:44] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[18:45] <_Groo_> Riddell: hi, is there any ppa with the new bluetooth framework i can test?
[18:49] <ovidiu-florin> How do I change the kanguage system wide?
[19:27] <genii> Is there some 15.04 equivelent to kwin --replace ?
[19:38] <genii> OK, so it looks like kwin_wayland or kwin_x11 now then. Curious that there's not something like an update-alternatives which just makes it only kwin 
[20:33] <shadeslayer> genii: too much of a hassle really
[20:33] <shadeslayer> genii: plus I'm sure startkde hard codes it to X11 or uses a env var to figure out which one to launch
[20:33] <shadeslayer> so it'll be kind of pointlss
[20:34] <shadeslayer> and update-alternatives is for things that provide the same functionality, iirc, kwin_x11 and wayland provide very different functionalities
[20:35] <genii> shadeslayer: Good to know, thanks for the explanation.
[20:36] <shadeslayer> god I hate the keyboard on the new MBP
[20:36] <shadeslayer> no key travel at all
[20:39] <shadeslayer> the 15" one has decent key travel
[20:39] <shadeslayer> makes me want a X1 Carbon more
[20:39] <shadeslayer> but it has no Iris graphics or 16 GB ram
[20:39] <shadeslayer> so conflicted
[20:39] <shadeslayer> so conflicted
[20:47]  * ahoneybun wants a smaller laptop
[21:12] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: XPS 13?
[21:12] <ahoneybun> mostly budget problems
[21:12] <ahoneybun> there are tons of good looking small laptops
[21:12] <ahoneybun> most likely would buy from System76 or thinkpenguin
[21:14] <shadeslayer> I'm more than willing to spend money, but there's nothing useful on the market
[21:14] <ahoneybun> can't spend money where there is none lol