[00:01] Riddell: were the correct changes made to the spreadsheet in time? I asked, and assumed they were [00:01] in general I never touch spreadsheets because I tend to break them [00:02] if the kubuntu proposals stayed as they were, none would have been chosen since none of us could tell what was intended by the ranking numbers [00:03] sorry to chime in so late, still catching up after being away 4 days [00:25] hey valorie [00:32] hello ahoneybun [00:32] sorry, need to prepare to drive down to see my dad now [00:32] guess who is free to fly! [00:34] I always read the backlog, so I know it's you! [00:34] I've sent my wire info, so I'm hoping i can buy tickets soon [00:41] lol [04:51] oh what the hell happened to networking recently -- wired will not connect because of "no secrets" even when I keep re-adding my silly long password [04:52] and of course nothing has improved with my wireless card [04:52] Since I added the 5.3 PPA yesterday I've had some pretty odd bugs. [04:53] Etriaph: please *never* advise the use of plasma 5 in anything but vivid [04:54] neon is gone, and the 14.10 PPAs are toxic [04:54] valorie: I wasn't so much advising that earlier as denoting what path existed. [04:54] valorie: I apologize if that caused you any grief. [04:55] it will cause *them* grief [04:55] I've removed the information everywhere possible [04:55] Ah, OK. [04:56] both worked great when we had the cycles to support them [04:57] anyway, just a word to the wise -- otherwise, you give great help to folks, so keep doing that! [04:57] it's always great to see new folks helping out in #kubuntu [04:57] Typically if someone asks a question, I'll provide an answer and trust that they know what to do with it :D [04:58] and thank you for that [05:01] I guess I should parse my words when someone is trying to use something that's "experimental" [05:07] it was experimental, then beta, and now released [05:07] I had a few people beg for Plasma 5 on 14.04! [05:07] to which.... wut? [05:08] if you want stable, stick with your LTS [05:08] you can stick with it for 4 more years, after all [05:11] Plasma 5, itself, is pretty stable. More apps on KF5 will help. [05:12] With only some of the apps using the new library there's less opportunity to weed out bugs. [05:17] true [05:18] however, i think the devels have been rather strategic [05:18] the most important stuff is ported [05:18] of course I still miss some bits [05:18] Dolphin is still KDE4 [05:18] /cry [05:19] I really want to setup my places. :) [05:19] I'm sure they would welcome your help, Etriaph [05:21] I took a look at the code for the version of Dolphin we're running and I couldn't see a problem; sent an email to Mr. Edmunson with some questions but never heard back. [05:21] Sho_ suggested I email him. [05:32] damn it, this is BS -- wired connection worked until today's updates [05:33] I'm on a wired connection and it's working fine, you on a laptop? [05:34] yes [05:35] my wireless card is dying, so I prefer to use the wired connection, which has always been stable [05:35] but as of today's updates, the password is not only not saved, but not used [05:35] for the wired connection [05:36] You have a password for a wired connection? [05:36] there is a password to the router [05:36] Ah, roger that. [05:36] no problem putting it in once [05:37] anyway, I'll write to the devel list and see what changed, so I can file a bug [05:37] until then I'll be bouncing in and out from the BNC [05:37] gah [05:43] ahoneybun: Google added 23 seconds [08:12] Good morning. [08:22] Riddell: applications are ready for tests ? [08:22] i see reds [08:31] soee: red can be a pretty colour too :) [08:43] Riddell: they wotn break anything in system ? :) [08:46] soee: I've no idea, that's the fun of testing [08:48] btw wht is the difference between this 2 packages for thumbs: http://wstaw.org/m/2015/04/29/snapshot6.png [08:50] * Riddell has no idea [08:51] Riddell: btw in the testers call was typo, not ppa:kubuntu-pps/next-stage2 but ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next-stage2 [08:51] pps->ppa [08:53] well spotted [08:54] with stage2 ppa apr wants to remove: calligra-libs digikam karbon libkgeomap2 libmarblewidget20 [08:57] that's the sort of testing we need to find out stuff [08:57] libmarblewidget20 is now libmarblewidget21 so we'll need to recompile calligra [08:57] and libkgeomap is separate so we'll need to recompile digikam [08:57] thanks for finding that out :) === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - 10 years of friendlyness | Applications 15.04 Status http://goo.gl/JnVN6h https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas | plasma 5.3 http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.3.0_vivid.html | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | 15.04 is out - release the plasma! | Reviews: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10914818/ | schedule kickoff meeting http://doodle.com [09:12] sgclark: I revived https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas because it seems there's a bunch of bits that need kept track of [09:13] sgclark: I've listed all the packages that are marked not green or otherwise need to be done [09:15] Riddell: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_stable_khangman/ [09:15] red [09:19] I like red [09:21] fixed [09:33] ;) [09:51] Sick_Rimmit: maybe you should vote for these people http://www.ubuntuparty.co.uk/ [09:51] Riddell: I am a big fan of Ubuntu Party, and Michael Tellingers ideas :-) [09:52] Riddell: Will you be voting ? [09:54] Sick_Rimmit: of course, registered in Edinburgh South, should I vote for Neil Hay or are his twitter crimes unforgiveable? [09:55] Riddell: Oh the choice of who, and under what reasoning is your priviledge and yours alone [09:55] Riddell: Delighted that you are partaking though [10:02] hm [10:02] Riddell: any error reports about baloo? [10:02] http://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_daily_promotion_vivid_stable/487/console [10:02] auto upgrade tester is not too happy with it [10:03] ah wait, there's an epoch problem [10:04] oh eh [10:04] Riddell: that won't fly will it? [10:04] baloo (the qt4 thing deb) had an epoch [10:04] now there is a transitional baloo in the kf5 package that doesn't have an epoch [10:05] I'm sure I added one [10:05] yes but it can't work [10:05] the new baloo binary is << the old [10:05] e.g. we have 4:5.9.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1 in kubuntu-ppa/backports [10:05] Oo [10:06] Riddell: how does that work? baloo-kf5 source has no epoch [10:06] I did some magic in debian/rules to add the epoch [10:07] ah "baloo : Depends: baloo-kf5 (= 4:5.9.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1)" [10:07] Riddell: no [10:07] yes [10:07] Riddell: that doesn't work [10:07] so it depends on the wrong version [10:07] baloo-kf5 *is* 5.9.0 [10:07] right [10:07] baloo *needs* to be 4:5.9.0 to be >> baloo 4:4.13 [10:08] that rules magic is mighty impressive though, to bad it was solving the wrong problem :P [10:08] "Depends: baloo-kf5 (= ${source:Version})" needs something else in there [10:08] noooooooooo [10:09] no? [10:09] the depends isn't the problem [10:09] gimme a sec [10:09] sure it is, baloo "Depends: baloo-kf5 (= 4:5.9.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1)" [10:09] ah [10:09] Riddell: yeah you are right nevermind me [10:10] somehow that epoch in the depends gets added which is wrong [10:10] Riddell: simply hardcode? [10:10] or use upstream:Version [10:11] source:Upstream-Version [10:11] The upstream source package version, including the Debian version epoch if any. [10:11] I get the feeling that manpage entry is wrong [10:12] compiling now.. [10:12] sitter: should we add 4: epoch to all the ktp packages now it's in applications? [10:13] Riddell: I vote no on randomly introducing epochs :P [10:13] it's not random, its consistency across all of kde applications [10:14] 'kde applications' is random though [10:14] things become apps, things might be !apps, things might become plasmas, things might become frameworks [10:14] sitter: the version number isn't random, it's consistent [10:14] even if the internal version number doesn't match at all [10:15] Riddell: if something becomes a framework it's not consistent [10:15] ktp won't be a framework [10:15] you don't know that [10:15] there is zero to be gained from adding an epoch [10:16] less faff with the packaging scripts [10:16] maybe the scripts should be fixed instead? [10:18] Riddell: oddly enough the source:Upstream-Version substvar really includes the epoch. so hardcoding the dep version is the way to go I suppose [10:20] makes you wonder how source:Version is different from source:Upstream-Version considering a package version only has two to three components to it and both of those substvars use the same two [10:23] sitter: " Depends: baloo-kf5 (= 5.9.0)" is what I end up with if I use "Depends: baloo-kf5 (= ${source:Upstream-Version})" [10:23] so that seems perfect [10:24] ah [10:24] true true, my test case was wrong xD [10:24] Riddell: splendid [10:25] Riddell: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_stable_muon/67/parsed_console/ [10:26] Riddell: similar for workspace http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_stable_plasma-workspace/75/parsed_console/ [10:28] is qt5 debug packages somewhere available? [10:28] trying to send meaningful crash reports [10:28] plasma keeps crashing on me [10:33] qtbase5-dbg Tm_T [10:34] thanks [10:37] Riddell: if qml files are in a data package should that data package depend on the qml-module packages it needs (making it non-arch-all supposedly) or should they be on a binary package? [10:37] or perhaps they should only be recommends? [10:37] or perhaps recommends on data and then duplicated onto binary as depends [10:38] example being kwin-data [10:44] Riddell: I think you should have removed the patches what with them being upstream -> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_stable_muon/68/console [10:45] sitter: muon fixed thanks [10:54] sitter: plasma-workspace fixed thanks [10:55] sitter: recommends sounds sensible I guess, maybe mitya57 or Mirv have opinions [10:56] sitter: qml could really do with a dh_shlibsqml magic script to pick up dependencies on other qml bits [11:03] Riddell: nigh impossible that is [11:03] what with apps being able to manipulate the load paths in all sorts of ways at runtime [11:03] and it would require pulling runtime deps in as build deps such that one can resolve them at build time which is naughty really [11:29] Riddell: [11:29]

Spads: hello, how can we push #26463 forward? [11:29]

it's deadline was a week ago [11:29] we had a release to get out a week ago [11:29] So we had to remove that deadline. [11:29] We have rather a lot of work in the queue ahead of it, I'm afraid. [11:29] as blahdeblah mentioned, we can't guarantee any particular timeframe [11:29] I'm not happy with this [11:40] engage stepchild mode! [11:41] it's pretty predictable [11:44] sad very sad [11:45] we should ask around, maybe some server hostery or CDN business would like to host us ;) [11:48] we do have a server, but of course it's low powered [11:48] we also have money, we can eaily buy another one [11:51] Riddell: OTOH I am sure someone would like to have their name mentioned on the frontpage in exchange for hosting [11:51] I'm sure someone would but we don't want to end up in a place where we sell our souls :) [11:52] bytemark may well do [11:52] at any rate IMO putting it on qa.kubuntu would be a bad idea as that server is not only low powered but also has load spikes due to the crons [11:52] true [11:52] I'll see Dan Shearer of Bytemark in a couple of weeks, can ask him [11:52] Riddell: well, we can ask businesses we like [11:53] on a related note. I think having a managed server would be a boon (i.e. someone else worries about system level updates and uptime ;)) [11:54] well that's why ovidiu-florin and jose wanted to let canonical do it [11:54] and well the predictable has happened [11:54] right, hence my suggestion [11:54] I was thinking of hosting it at wordpress [11:55] but apparently it's hard to get in touch with them [11:55] wordpress.com will give you one with adverts and limited abiility to install stuff [11:55] not great [11:55] nah [11:56] they have paied plans [11:56] ah [11:56] business plan is 300 euros per year with unlimited everything [11:56] premium plan is 99 per year [11:57] with 13gb storage [11:58] wordpress.com would have the profound advantage of us not having to worry about anything (alas, also having no control over available plugins and so forth) [11:58] is that too expensive for us? [11:58] not really, we have money for it [11:58] it's true that we can't have custom, unregistered plugins, I think [11:58] that seems like a blocker [11:58] well [11:58] do we need them? [11:59] my point exactly [11:59] isn't that what we use? [11:59] how is the new site themed? [11:59] theme != plugin [12:02] http://www.wpbeginner.com/beginners-guide/self-hosted-wordpress-org-vs-free-wordpress-com-infograph/?display=wide [12:03] so, only their themes, no changes, and no plugins [12:03] I vone NO [12:03] vote* [12:05] right, too limited [12:06] oh lord, had to burn DVD first time since 2-3 years to install kubuntu :o [12:07] https://wordpress.org/hosting/ [12:07] ovidiu-florin: whats the problem ? [12:09] I'm talking to the bluehost guys now [12:10] ovidiu-florin: talk with DO, im sure they might be interested with hosting for kubuntu [12:10] Digital Ocean? [12:11] soee: ^ [12:11] yes [12:11] tha's a VPS [12:11] more or less, but best thing if you want to have ful control ver it [12:11] i have 3 droplets there already [12:11] 1 ubuntu and 2 debina [12:11] *debian [12:22] hm [12:22] Riddell: kwin packaging is a bit of a mess, half the qml stuff is in kwin.deb other half in kwin-data.deb [12:23] sitter: that reminds me: I wanted to provide packaging recommendations [12:26] bluehost sound promissing [12:26] I'll write a report [12:27] mgraesslin: which parts should be installed with x11/wayland? [12:27] because I was wondering about that the other day xD [12:27] ovidiu-florin: <3 [12:27] are we registered as a nonprofit? [12:28] sitter: exactly for that I wanted to do packaging recommendations, like how to split it, how to setup dependencies, etc. [12:28] ovidiu-florin: we are registered as something in the UK I believe [12:28] Riddell: ^ [12:28] mgraesslin: that would be very useful [12:30] sitter: is there a standard way to distribute packaging information, something like e.g. PACKAGING text file? [12:31] mgraesslin: no but a README.Packagers is what some people use. or output messages at the end of cmake output [12:31] seems a bit too excessive [12:31] it really doesn't matter where you put the information though [12:31] somewhere that we'll read it :) [12:31] e-mail release-team@ is one way [12:31] most people don't read shit unless you explicitly tell them about it, so as long as you send a mail to the distro pacakgers list with a pointer it'll be fine [12:32] all right [12:32] will try to get something together [12:32] and hope it won't outdate too fast ;-) [12:33] ^^ [12:43] kubuntu 15.04 installed on my parents PC :) now upgrading to Plasma 5.3! [12:43] soee: Whoop whoop [12:44] yup :) now i only need to create new users, configure printer and voila [12:45] they didn't liek Unity so i hope they will love this -.- [12:45] Who does ;) [12:46] true :D [12:47] guys on my PC @ work and now my parent's i see this when booting: error: /dev/sdb: No medium found [12:48] this line repeats 1 or more times sometimes [12:48] sitter: hmm I just noticed kamoso doesn't work because it has a qml depend on purpose, we really need to work out a dh_shlibqml :( [12:48] any idea why ? on my laptop i have no such lines [12:56] Riddell: you do read my mails to kubuntu-devel do you not? Oo [12:56] Riddell: relevant read I just wrote -> https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/CI/QMLIgnore [13:01] Howdy folks [13:03] morning [13:07] well, 15.04/plasma 5.3 seems stable for my setup now, had to do a clean inatall to both / and /home. [13:11] sitter: hmm but no errors at http://kci.pangea.pub/job/vivid_unstable_kamoso/2/console ? [13:12] Riddell: not fully rolled out for all builds yet [13:12] missing piece was the ignore stuff [13:12] ah hah [13:13] I am reasonable certain I sent a mail about this like 2 weeks ago [13:13] or even 3 [13:14] the constant install-remove also is a rather hefty performance hit, so I might need to do some tweaks there [13:19] can i add user that doesnt require password ? [13:24] user manager does not list created user :/ [13:24] if we dont set password for created account, we can't login from sddm [13:26] You can set an autologin. [13:30] lordievader: does not work [13:30] if i want to remoe user i have to do it from cli :/ [13:31] kwallet prompts for password each time i login on parent spc - also strange [13:32] that's because no one bothered to port the pam for kwallet [13:33] and whole desktop freezed :| [13:33] my oh my [13:37] can someone test it: create user wihout password witg autologin option and try to login [13:37] should just fail [13:39] and one more thing: this user wont be listed in user manager in system settings [13:42] I don't think user-manager should allow you to create a user without password [13:46] soee: For the oem user it worked ;) [13:46] ;o [13:50] this whole user manager is strange [13:50] can someone try the kamoso package from ppa:jr/ppa ? there's a guy on youtube reporting that it doesn't work (and you know how we like to respond to youtube comments) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmxNODJGD38 [13:50] !testers | ↑ [13:50] ↑: testers is Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley, alket, SourBlues, sgclark, neo31, vip for information [13:51] uno momento [13:51] "doesn't work" is quite ambiquous [13:52] Riddell: installed [13:52] "0 instead of 1 arguments to message {Switch to '%1' mode} supplied before conversion." [13:53] Failed to create qtquick2videosink. Make sure it is installed correctly [13:53] Segmentation fault (core dumped) [13:53] Tm_T: oh good :) [13:54] Tm_T: so can you try installing these bits and see what helps? apt-cache search qt5 gstreamer [13:54] will do [13:57] BluesKaj: ping [13:57] plasma crashed 13th time today [13:57] ;) [13:58] I removed taskbar to see if that helps [14:01] Riddell: ...none? [14:03] waa, so what is the magic package it needs? [14:04] Tm_T: you have gstreamer1.0-x ? [14:04] Riddell: yes [14:05] ...almost every time I run Kamoso Plasma crashes [14:06] Tm_T: pastebin the stdout when you run kamoso? [14:06] sure [14:07] https://paste.kde.org/p7nh8eqot [14:07] soee: yes? [14:07] soee: pong [14:07] BluesKaj: are you able to test if you can create new user, is it listed in users manager, if you can login to that account without password ? [14:12] Tm_T: can you install qtgstreamer-plugins-qt5 ? [14:13] sure [14:13] and that fixed it [14:13] also Plasma didn't crash (= [14:13] yay [14:13] thanks Tm_T [14:14] haha, I closed it and Plasma crashes [14:14] this is, err, interesting [14:14] soee: nope , needed a pw to login with new user [14:14] BluesKaj: is it listend in System Settings and User manager ? [14:15] *lited [14:15] Riddell: wy are we able to create user wthout password if it is required to login ? [14:16] soee: no, it disappeared [14:17] BluesKaj: so same as here, i removed it from cli, but i think if you create third user it will be listed [14:29] How can I run a script on every login on 14.04 ? [14:30] but only on a specific user [14:30] or better [14:30] I want to clear the user's home dir on every boot [14:30] put it in ~/.kde/env [14:30] wipe it clean [14:30] oh well that won't work :) [14:30] use the guest user feature? that should work in 14.04 no? [14:31] that fails sometimes [14:31] I don't understand why [14:31] I can't see any logs [14:31] edit /usr/bin/startkde [14:32] that get's executed on every start? [14:32] yes [14:32] who calls it? [14:33] the login manager will call it to start up the session [14:34] it's what's listed in /usr/share/xsession/plasma.desktop [14:34] Can't I add an script to be called on boot? [14:34] and not have to change KDE stuff, because these might get overwritten on update [14:35] yes, add to ~/.kde/env [14:35] but remember not to delete ~/.kde/env by the script in ~/.kde/env :) [14:35] sure [14:36] ovidiu-florin: you could write a upstart script [14:36] Riddell: what about adding it somwhere ot be called by upstart [14:36] ? [14:36] yes [14:36] but I'd recommend using a guest session tbh [14:36] I can write a bash script but how do I tell upstart to run it? [14:36] ok [14:36] I'll give it a try [14:36] ovidiu-florin: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/ [14:36] can I rename the Guest user? [14:37] I think the guest session is a random string or something [14:37] though i could be wrong [14:37] who can I ask? [14:37] ovidiu-florin: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#exec [14:38] shadeslayer: about renaming the guest user? [14:38] not a clue [14:38] never really bothered with it [14:38] what program creates it? [14:38] what project does that? [14:39] can I make it log in automatically to the Guest user? [14:39] I think it's from logind [14:46] oh fun [14:46] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sudo/+bug/1219337 [14:46] Launchpad bug 1219337 in sudo (Ubuntu Vivid) "Users can change the clock without authenticating, allowing them to locally exploit sudo." [Undecided,Confirmed] [15:05] Riddell: so I was stumbling through libindi when I found someone has already done the work: https://launchpad.net/~mutlaqja/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages is there anyway we can use this ? [15:07] Riddell: why is grantlee5 not in git packaging :( [15:12] woho one red in apps :) === soee_ is now known as soee [15:29] dropbox icon working in system tray? [15:38] how much does a fresh install occupy? [15:39] BluesKaj: Not for me: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/03/system-tray-in-plasma-next/ But the default headless instructions work so well for me, I only run their python scripts for curiosity. [15:40] Riddell: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s7/doctor-who/interviews/a644356/peter-davison-talks-doctor-whos-music-and-a-five-ish-doctors-sequel.html#~pbg7ylyLSobVEu [16:24] bah, now my touchscreen is wonkers [16:24] first days with 15.04 have been filled with excitement (= [17:29] sgclark: any chance to have apps ready today ? :) [17:30] soee: well, seems Riddell left and I need an answer about libindi :( [18:44] <_Groo_> hi/2 all [18:45] <_Groo_> Riddell: hi, is there any ppa with the new bluetooth framework i can test? === aaron__ is now known as ahoneybun [18:49] How do I change the kanguage system wide? [19:27] Is there some 15.04 equivelent to kwin --replace ? === aaron__ is now known as ahoneybun [19:38] OK, so it looks like kwin_wayland or kwin_x11 now then. Curious that there's not something like an update-alternatives which just makes it only kwin [20:33] genii: too much of a hassle really [20:33]