[00:48] bregma, I'm trying to get the convergence demo set up - do you happen to know what version of Ubuntu touch that is based on? [01:01] robert_ancell, no idea, you'll need to ask Will I think [05:00] Good morrning [06:00] good morning [06:07] hey didrocks & desktopers [06:08] hey seb128 [06:23] morning! [06:29] hey larsu [06:30] hey didrocks, seb128, and larsu! wie gehtsZ? [06:30] hey pitti [06:30] zzehr gut, danke! und dir? [06:30] hey pitti, larsu! [06:31] I'm great, thanks! [06:31] how are yo guys? [07:01] larsu: ... apparently not paying enough attention to IRC :) quite well, thanks! [07:01] * pitti enjoys working on non-emergency things for a change [07:03] pitti: haha enjoy ;) [07:12] morning [07:17] didrocks, you know all that packet loss I was telling you about.... and how once it had arp'd again pings would work for a little while before stopping.... [07:17] duplicate IP address [07:17] hey willcooke [07:17] hey seb128 [07:17] seb128, I've signed you up to a few UOS sessions [07:18] seb128, I'll just go for blanket coverage and then we can work out what is really needed once all the sessions are there [07:18] we should try and spread the load a bit [07:18] I think I will have to be at all of them, but we should spread the others around [07:18] I dont think robert_ancell will be able to cover any of them though :( [07:19] morninf willcooke! [07:19] *g [07:19] g'day larsu [07:19] willcooke, I saw, thanks [07:19] In other news.... [07:19] I am very concerned that it's nearly May already [07:19] willcooke: ahah, nice one on duplicated IP address… We always think about firewalling banning, and iptables rules before thinking about the easy guilty one :) [07:20] What happened to the rest of the year !?! [07:20] willcooke: I hope you blame your dhcp now! [07:20] didrocks, worse - I configured it wrong, plain and simple. What an idiot! :) [07:20] ahah ;) [07:21] So I'm now running a load-balanced set up which seems to be working. [07:21] More testing today, and then I'll write it up [07:32] * willcooke -> school run [07:32] hello :) [07:34] didrocks, do you think it's safe to temporarily uninstall systemd and use init in vivid? I have troubles each time I restart services and when I restart lightdm I have to reboot (and even reboot doesn't work, I need to press the button after running reboot) [07:34] I ve uninstalled it successfully on debian unstable [07:35] but I didn't take the risk in ubuntu yet.. :) [07:37] (+I had several other minor problems) [07:42] hikiko: what do you mean by init? like sysvinit? [07:44] yes [07:45] and install systemd-shim for the services [07:45] it's been years that sysvinit isn't supported, I doubt it will even boot, upstart should still work though, but unsupported for the ubuntu desktop image [07:45] hikiko: what would be more interested is to debug your issues [07:45] as most of people don't seem to have this [07:45] I'm sure pitti or I will be pleased to help you [07:47] I think other people have this lightdm issue too +I'm sure debugging is better I was just wondering because it happens to have 2 vivid installations so, maybe it's faster to work in the non-systemd one while we debug the systemd [07:48] hikiko, what do you do exactly and what is happening? [07:48] hikiko: well, I guess you will be the "we" as there is no other bug report (AFAIK) about such issues [07:48] so better to debug it with you, (now ideally) [07:48] sure :) [07:49] so let's start with this "I have troubles each time I restart services" [07:49] :s/services/desktop services! [07:49] what command are you running, what are you trying to restart and what happens? [07:49] i try to restart with sudo daemon restart [07:49] is this correct? [07:49] eg: [07:49] which service, for instance? [07:49] sudo lightdm restart [07:49] no [07:49] this isn't supported [07:49] :D [07:49] (and never was) [07:50] sudo systemctl restart lightdm [07:50] ok :) [07:50] pebcak [07:50] let me try :) [07:50] sure :) [07:51] ok now I ve run this it worked (so, apologies the restart was a pebcak) but I got another problem [07:51] maybe it's another pebcak... :D [07:52] when i start unity and compiz crashes (because for example I ve done a bug in the code or sth) [07:52] I return to the lightdm login screen [07:53] and if I re-login successfully [07:53] the previous session is gone and lightdm starts a new one [07:54] when you say "when I start unity", it means: [07:54] +this happens every time i try to run unity --replace ... [07:54] 1. you are in your session [07:54] 2. hack hack hack, build… [07:54] seb128, did you see on the snappy mailing list, sergiusens said they're working on an insaller for Snappy this cycle \o/ [07:54] 3. unity --restart [07:54] right? [07:54] yes or ./unity --restart [07:54] (meaning, restarting unity… actually compiz from inside the session) [07:54] exactly [07:54] interesting that this crashes the session [07:54] so, first, this has nothing to do with systemd (it's still upstart managing the session) [07:55] I doubt anything change, I'm looking at the unity7 upstart script, it doesn't seem to have any magic to kill the session if compiz fails [07:55] I know for sure that other people get this too [07:55] seb128: do you know if we still have this "RequiredComponents" or if any change in gnome-session for this? [07:55] chris townsend for example got it yesterday [07:55] didrocks, also, I don't know if that helps [07:55] when I ran [07:55] hikiko: do you have any other .crash in /var/crash than compiz? (like a gnome-session one or whatsover) [07:56] sudo restart lightdm [07:56] I got an upstart error [07:56] yeah [07:56] those commands are upstart ones [07:56] yes [07:56] so it's normal [07:56] to get the errors [07:56] right? [07:56] so, basically until lightdm (included) everything is managemed by systemd [07:56] and there is no lightdm upstart script [07:56] didrocks, gnome-session still has required component, but some jobs got moved from being gnome-session spawned to be upstart services [07:56] after that, it's upstart [07:56] seb128: yeah, unity7 is one of them [07:57] I wonder why compiz crashing trash the session though… [07:57] in var/crash i have the compiz crashes [07:57] nothing else? [07:57] didrocks, pitti, I think I mentioned it before, but could be make "restart" being a wrapper and make it call "systemctl restart" under systemd? [07:57] and some very old from [07:57] guvcview (a broken camera app) [07:57] seb128: restart is still used for session job as well [07:57] skype, chromium [07:57] seb128: so you need to know which kind of job are used [07:57] vbox [07:57] mmm [07:57] willcooke, just saw for the installer, that's great! [07:58] I have a usr_bin_signon-ui [07:58] yeah, nothing that's related to the session-components itself :/ [07:58] didrocks, well, check the uid? [07:58] seb128: that can work, sure [07:58] seb128, I've poked them in #snappy to see if they need any input from us - I might follow up with an email to the ML as well [07:59] willcooke, good, I should probably be on that channel, joined [07:59] seb128: btw, taping "restart" only close the current g-t window [07:59] (actually all) [07:59] Try `restart --help' for more information. [07:59] it does here [07:59] hikiko: let's wait for Laney (he should be around soon), if he heared about such behaviors) [08:00] seb128: tried 3 times, it closes the g-t window here [08:00] didrocks, weird [08:00] and I can't ctrl+alt+t now :/ [08:00] grumph [08:00] didrocks, do you have the binary installed? [08:00] "the binary"? [08:00] "restart" [08:00] yeah [08:00] "which restart" [08:00] also didrocks I don't know if I made this clear: unity --replace always sends me to the login screen not only when compiz crashes, +compiz crashes send me to the login screen too (2 different cases) [08:01] and it's the upstart one, of course, I checked it [08:01] hikiko: interesting, I guess it's something for Laney [08:01] hikiko, didrocks, could be that restarting unity this week screws the job state and makes other job act in response [08:01] +also: didrocks thanks for the help :) +sure, I ll wait for Laney :) [08:02] seb128: quite a lot of things in the session restarted [08:02] hikiko: yw! [08:02] seb128: u-s-d, and so on [08:02] didrocks, weird... [08:02] weird you don't have the same "restart" behavior [08:02] $ restart [08:02] restart : nom de la tâche manquant [08:02] Try `restart --help' for more information. [08:02] $ [08:02] $ which restart [08:02] /sbin/restart [08:03] and no crash either, it really restarted some session services [08:03] WHAT [08:03] hey Laney! [08:03] howdy mr Lane [08:03] greetings! [08:04] hahaha [08:04] hi Laney :) [08:05] Laney, I've got an issue after I upgraded to vivid I don't know if it's something in my settings or my use of systemd or a bug in the setup [08:06] but I remember that chris had it too yesterday when I first got it [08:07] when I run ./unity --replace ... (for a unity I ve built) I see the lightdm login screen and if I login, I login to a new session [08:08] +sometimes this happens when compiz crashes and I try to restart it [08:19] Laney, late pong, we don't ship overlay-scrollbars, so no problems there. how it gtk 3.16 looking for update? [08:19] darkxst: try the ppa [08:20] you had some problems last time i remember [08:20] hikiko: is this new? [08:20] Laney, problems mixing gtk 3.16 with gnome-shell 3.14 [08:20] but we won't do that [08:23] Laney, this started at the time I upgraded to vivid (a few days ago) [08:26] Laney, there doesnt seem to be any easy way around the theming issues, so will just upload core 3.16 along with gtk [08:28] Laney, darkxst, please take a look at the gtk packaging, iirc there are several manpages missing [08:30] we should get this running --fail-missing [08:31] ricotz: I can merge your branch, bzr is up to date [08:32] Laney, no bzr branch here yet, this just came into my mind, I stumbled over it while merging 3.14.13 [08:34] Laney, I think the location of gtk-encode-symbolic-svg was weird too which should be in libgtk-3-bin [08:34] sorry, g2g [08:35] Laney, --fail-missing doesn't work well with multi-builds [08:51] seb128: just tried, the results seem sane here [08:51] shows that there are some .desktop files, icons and manpages missing [08:52] hikiko: Got it, somehow compiz got back into RequiredComponents in /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/ubuntu.session [08:52] that is a bug [08:52] Laney, is that standard debhelper or do we still have a custom hack script? [08:52] cdbs [08:52] but using the dh tools [08:53] I guess it understands --sourcedirectory or whatever, maybe didn't do that right in the past? [08:53] so the debian/dh_listmissing.pl is deprecated? [08:53] man [08:53] I don't even know what that is [08:53] * Laney shows his youth [08:53] that's the script we used to have for --list-missing in gtk [08:53] because the cdbs/dh tools didn't understand the multiple builddirs [08:53] ah [08:54] e.G debian/build/shared debian/build/static [08:54] is there any way to "reset" compiz back to defaults? [08:54] (other than creating a new user or deleting all dot files) [08:54] popey, there is a reset button in ccsm [08:54] problem I have is my GUI freaks out when I add/remove a display. A new clean user doesn't have this problem. [08:54] it could be that if I fix these fail-missing files then it breaks later on [08:54] oh! [08:55] popey, "dconf reset -f /org/compiz" should work as well [08:55] this fails at the first dh_install call for the normal lib [08:55] * popey presses "reset to defaults" button [08:55] unity disappears. [08:55] will try after ricotz gives me his patch :-) [08:55] Laney, k :-) [08:55] let me know how it works! [08:56] ricotz: I want to keep that tool out of the main -bin package, it's not for normal users [08:56] not an "example" but didn't feel like making a new binary for it [08:56] seb128: yeah, the dconf reset didn't fix it, will reboot and see if the reset to defaults did, thanks! [08:56] popey, shouldn't need to reboot [08:56] my unity died [08:56] hikiko: try removing that "compiz;" and see if it works for you? [08:56] I'm unable to alt-tab anymore [08:56] "great" [08:57] this is a darkxst bug btw! === JMulholland_ is now known as JMulholland [08:57] Laney, what is a darkxst bug? [08:58] you changed RequiredComponents for ubuntu.session when updating gnome-session to 3.15 [08:58] 3.14 [08:59] * Laney tried to blame systemd at first [08:59] annoyed that it wasn't that :P [08:59] bah, not unity wont start at all :( [08:59] *now [09:01] Laney, did I? [09:04] seb128: any other ideas for debugging unity not starting :( [09:04] popey, type "unity" on a command line and see what is printed? [09:05] Laney, what do you mean remove compiz? [09:05] darkxst: probably an accident, but the diff says so - curl -s https://launchpadlibrarian.net/188763536/gnome-session_3.9.90-0ubuntu16_3.14.0-2ubuntu1.diff.gz | zcat | filterdiff -i "*50_ubuntu*" [09:05] hikiko: e.g. sudo sed -i 's/compiz;//' /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/ubuntu.session [09:06] seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10937467/ [09:07] popey, "Loading plugin: ccp" [09:07] popey, in ccsm change the settings backend to gsettings [09:07] ups [09:07] "Info: Backend : gsettings" [09:07] hum [09:07] popey, nothing more than that? [09:07] thats everything [09:07] display flickers and I end up with an empty desktop [09:07] in unity enabled in ccsm? [09:08] hah! no [09:08] popey, "gsettings get org.compiz.core:/org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/ active-plugins" [09:08] the reset must have disabled it [09:08] just ticked the box and my launcher appears [09:08] * popey hugs seb128 [09:08] * seb128 hugs popey back [09:08] weird, that plugin should be in the default [09:09] popey, try to "gsettings reset org.compiz.core:/org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/ active-plugins" [09:09] done [09:09] hmm, no window decorations [09:10] is /usr/bin/gtk-window-decorator the right thing for window decorator command? [09:12] Laney, I see, really don't know how that could happen though, the merge would have been based off the vcs-bzr branch [09:13] seb128: restarted lightdm, all back to normal. big hugs! Thank you! [09:13] popey, yw! [09:15] Laney, https://paste.debian.net/plain/169847 [09:17] why do you want that program in -bin? [09:18] this diff isn't based on the ppa or bzr [09:18] bleh [09:18] Laney, I kind of consider this a dev tool and hiding it in example makes less sense [09:18] Laney, the diff is based on bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gtk/ubuntugtk3/ [09:20] Laney, so lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gtk/ubuntugtk3 isn't the current one for 3.16? [09:21] it is, lemme look in a bit, thanks [09:22] Laney [09:22] without compiz; [09:22] lightdm restarts all the time [09:23] mmm and with compiz it restarts once [09:23] wait [09:23] maybe there's something wrong in compiz [09:24] ok it was not compiz I reinstalled it :s [09:25] i ll replace the dconf user as well to have the default unity settings [09:26] still [09:32] Laney, didrocks for the record: reboot doesnt work when you have nfs entries in fstab just found out [09:41] pitti: any idea? we have some tested together IIRC nfs entries in fstab successfully [09:42] hikiko: not known, works fine here; can you please file a bug with a journal, using the "debug shutdown problems" steps in /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian? [09:43] could it be that nfs it starting before the NIC is up? [09:43] *is [09:43] sure pitti :) [09:53] didrocks: yippie! (bug 1423811) [09:53] bug 1423811 in systemd (Ubuntu) "219-1ubuntu1 regression: boot hangs, logind fails" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1423811 [09:54] accidental fix? [09:56] Laney: seems so, about as accidental as it got broken in the first place :) [09:56] * pitti lets his computer cool down now, after some 500 VM reboots and 30 git builds [10:00] pitti: interesting [10:01] again a proof that coverity can be useful :) [10:03] hikiko: did you file a bug for this --replace issue? [10:05] no Laney [10:05] didrocks: yeah, and Murphy's law (the commit said "Should Not Fail™") [10:06] Laney and pitti where should i file both bug reports? [10:06] hikiko: gnome-session for me please [10:06] * Laney will upload a SRU for this [10:06] ok Laney, thank you :) [10:06] an* [10:06] hikiko: nfs-utils for now, we can reassign as appropriate [10:07] hikiko: please tag it "systemd-boot" [10:07] pitti: of course! I bet it's fsckd's fault :p [10:07] ok! thanks! [10:08] didrocks: yes, it has its filthy fingers aaaaaaall the way to shutdown! [10:08] Laney, [10:08] gnome-session must be configured in order for Launchpad to forward bugs to the project's developers. [10:08] didrocks: and for sure it's also responsible for the world's hunger and raining next Saturday [10:09] hikiko: from a terminal run ubuntu-bug gnome-session [10:09] didrocks: speaking of which, seems we need to change this a last time to read from that new socket that s-fsck now writes to? [10:09] pitti: I didn't follow what they changed upstream [10:10] ha! Laney the package gnome-session is not installed... [10:10] could that be the problem? [10:10] I think we shouldn't do anything until next systemd release anyway [10:10] it's not a unity dependency [10:11] hikiko: oh right, no, unity-session then [10:11] or ubuntu-session? [10:11] I forget the exact name [10:11] didrocks: right, but for v220 we need to port it [10:12] yeah [10:13] Laney, ubuntu-session maybe? [10:13] if that works, sure [10:22] Sweet5hark, hi, is there a chance that 4.4.3.2 is hitting a ppa today? [10:23] ricotz: nope, will be a bit delayed [10:23] Sweet5hark, alright, let me know when it happens [10:24] ricotz: willdo. === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:33] pitti, there's no package nfs-utils in my repos + here: https://launchpad.net/nfs-utils the report a bug link is disabled for me, could I report it somewhere else? [11:38] Laney: if you have a 14.04 vm around, can you please test the patch I just posted to bug #1448969? Resizing columns in nautilus' list view is impossibe if the horizontal scrollbar is visible (possible SRU) [11:38] bug 1448969 in gtk+3.0 (Ubuntu) "GTK3 can't resize treeviewcolumn" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1448969 [11:38] (bbiab) [12:00] hikiko: ah, it's ubuntu-bug nfs-common, sorry; nfs-utils is the source package [12:00] ok :) [12:05] larsu: not sure, but I can get one easy enough, thanks! [12:26] Laney: cool thanks. Let me know if it works for you so that I can SRUify [12:28] pitti, when i use ubuntu-bug nfs-common it's different than with other packages it doesn't ask me to fill the bug details etc it generates an automated bug report I think [12:28] hikiko: right, and it opens a LP page with the bug reporting, as usual [12:28] no [12:28] that's the weird [12:29] hikiko: it's pretty much like +filebug, except that it automatically attaches extra info [12:29] yes pitti i used it a while ago for the other bug [12:29] just in nfs-common [12:29] it doesnt open that win [12:29] and doesn't ask me to login [12:29] I don't know why [12:29] hm, works here; it collects info for a few secs, then shows the collected data, I press "Send" and get directed to LP [12:30] do i have to be root? I guess that's not the problem [12:30] hikiko: if anything else fails, you can also use https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nfs-utils/+filebug, but it's really supposed to work with ubuntu-bug too [12:30] hikiko: no, you don't [12:31] ok ok pitti it worked the 4th time just the page needs some time [12:31] sorry :) [12:31] hikiko: right, it does [12:32] no worries :) === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g === rickspencer3_ is now known as rickspencer3 [14:07] seb128, upgraded to vivid today, (14.04->15.04 went fine with a simple dist-upgrade). Was still wondering what's the plan to integrate GtkHeaderBar with unity? [14:07] seb128, here is how I see gedit (build from source), same with devhelp (as packaged in vivid): http://people.collabora.com/~xclaesse/tmp/gedit.png [14:08] xclaesse, we integrate them better now, like decorations are on the right side and looks like our theme, but it's only so much we can do [14:09] not sure about the issue in your particular screenshot, larsu or Laney probably know about the gedit situation better [14:09] seb128, I guess it's impossible to move the GtkHeaderBar inside the unity panel like you guys do with the menu ? [14:09] not really no [14:09] seb128, problem is that maximised we get 2 bars... [14:09] yeah, that's the app design, talk to the gedit upstreams... [14:16] xclaesse: ya, this is the #1 reason we don't use header bars. I have a patch for gedit upstream that makes it use a traditional title bar [14:17] but it's a bit weird without a tool bar [14:17] larsu, seb128: sooner or later all GNOME apps are going to have the same thing [14:17] xclaesse: we know [14:17] IMO their design is ridiculous, but unity will have to deal with it I guess :( [14:18] their design is pretty good actually [14:18] it just doesn't fit well with unity [14:18] patch is at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741904 if you're interested [14:18] Gnome bug 741904 in general "Finish up support for traditional menubar" [Enhancement,New] [14:20] xclaesse, yeah, well as an user you can decide to user other apps that the GNOME ones ;-) [14:21] seb128: that's true, but we should strive for a good experience for the default apps [14:23] larsu, hm, I build gedit with the patch from bugzilla, didn't change anything. Probably did something wrong :/ [14:24] xclaesse: hm, weird. I wanted to update that patch a bit anyway. I'll have a look later today or tomorrow [14:24] larsu, right, I'm just saying that there is only so much we can do if designs conflict [14:25] seb128: indeed [14:25] larsu, ah forget me, there were conflict when apply the patch that I didn't resolve :p [14:25] hehe :) === rbasak_ is now known as rbasak [14:45] Hi all. I'm trying to make chromium-browser do two new things. I would like your help in trying the new chromium packages in Stage PPA. ppa:canonical-chromium-builds/stage [14:46] Who's interested in yesterday's Cr release? New hot v42! Anyone? [14:49] qengho, o/ (i'm on 14.04 still though) [14:50] willcooke: Oh, I have to support that too. It's in there. [14:50] woot [14:50] I'll add the PPA tomorrow morning then so I dont lose where I am today [14:53] willcooke, 14.04? you're so old school [14:53] word [14:53] I've got a dog food VM [14:53] * kenvandine waves to desktop :) [14:54] and I will update this machine, but I want a fresh install [14:54] so, ya know, backups [14:54] :) [14:54] seb128, i copied code from unity-scope-click that should fix that bad framework bug, working on getting a build to test now [14:55] kenvandine, hey, \o/ [14:55] more duplicated code... grrr [14:55] yeah :-/ [14:55] the good news is there is a spec being worked on this week to fix that problem :) [14:55] great [14:56] but in the mean time we need to keep the updates plugin working [14:56] yeah [14:57] dobey mentioned previously that we should use the scope service to install or something [14:57] or the wrapper they have [14:57] rather than manually deal with it [14:59] click got an API [16:07] outch, google map on firefox with ubuntu vivid is utra slow [16:07] with chrome it's perfect [16:21] larsu: I get a segfault in the testsuite with your backport [16:21] on 3.10 [16:22] xclaesse, yeah, google streetview is un-usable in firefox for me for over a cycle, dunno why [16:22] it takes like 30s to display one frame [16:22] webgl or something not working there I guess? [16:23] seb128, it's not only street view, it's also panning the map [16:23]