[07:13] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:23] <diplo> Morning all
[07:27] <SuperMat1> morning
[07:29] <diplo> Not seen you about these parts for a while SuperMat1
[07:33] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:48] <MooDoo> yay SuperMat1 must be all the rackers goodness he's been getting over the past few months
[07:48] <SuperMat1> ???
[07:49] <SuperMat1> oh yes, I haven't been around much cos I'm very busy :(
[08:10] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:14] <bashrc_> tzag
[08:17] <popey> morning
[08:21] <foobarry> i ran out of RAM and my terminal fonts are corrupted at only one size
[08:22] <foobarry> ctrl- fixes it, but when i return to the regular size it's still broken!
[09:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Wish Day! :-D
[09:03] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1NeogMh1JI
[09:04] <JamesTait> davmor2, so... you wish you could buy me a coke?
[09:06] <davmor2> JamesTait: no I wish the world would just get along :D
[09:07] <zmoylan-pi> the world does get along, it's just the innocent bystanders that get caught up...
[09:07] <brobostigon> is there a way of pushing irssi highlights to my xmpp server?
[09:24] <diplo> http://cybione.org/~irssi-xmpp/
[09:24] <diplo> ?
[09:25] <diplo> Doesn't seem to have been updated in a while though
[09:25] <zmoylan-pi> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/apr/29/apple-ipad-fail-grounds-few-dozen-american-airline-flights
[09:25] <diplo> brobostigon: https://gist.github.com/markhibberd/5315470
[09:26] <brobostigon> ty diplo
[09:31] <brobostigon> diplo: is that the same as the irssi-plugin-xmpp package?
[09:33] <diplo> I believe so, seems quite a few have forked it and made changes
[09:33] <brobostigon> ah, i see.
[09:34] <brobostigon> anyways, it seems to have loaded and connected to my xmpp server fine.
[09:39] <diplo> :)
[09:42] <brobostigon> :)
[09:42] <brobostigon> just need to find out now, if it works or not.
[10:02] <JamesTait> brobostigon, my XMPP address is on my launchpad profile, if you want to test. https://launchpad.net/~jamestait
[10:03] <brobostigon> ok, ty JamesTait.
[10:03] <brobostigon> that proved it didnt work, as your highlight didnt show up in my xmpp account.
[10:08] <shauno> I think you still need to provide the glue?  adding xmpp as a transport to irssi just lets you message jabber users
[10:09] <brobostigon> glue? ok.
[10:09] <shauno> so you're still missing the magic sauce that passes messages from one to the other
[10:11] <shauno> (I had a look, but I got nothing - I do this out-of-band, so irssi is passing messages off to a notification service)
[10:11] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:21] <diddledan> allo folks
[10:23] <brobostigon> i have found an xmpp notify script, however when i try and load it, it throws up errors.
[10:33] <diplo> popey uses something to alert via an android app from memory
[10:37] <brobostigon> yes, on android i use irssinotifier. however this is for other systems that support xmpp, but not a notification system like irssinotifier.
[11:08] <foobarry> Amazon UK doubles the minimum spend for free delivery to £20﻿
[11:08] <foobarry> game over guys
[11:08] <directhex> ouya's in trouble.
[11:10] <popey> oh?
[11:10] <Myrtti> foobarry: damn.
[11:12] <foobarry> including the "this item is exclusive to prime customers"
[11:13] <bashrc_> there is a minimum spend on amazon?
[11:13] <foobarry> for free delivs
[11:13] <diddledan> I thought prime gave you free next-day
[11:13] <foobarry> it does
[11:14] <foobarry> so it is now becoming a club
[11:14] <foobarry> that you have to join to buy stuf
[11:15] <bashrc_> I did get some spam for prime, but I buy things on amazon maybe once or twice per year so it's not worth it
[11:15] <czajkowski> davmor2: popey on 15.04 does skype work ?
[11:15] <foobarry> b&q near me is rubbish and don't have stock
[11:15] <foobarry> i have no choice
[11:16]  * popey calls the skype lady
[11:16] <davmor2> czajkowski: no idea don't install skype
[11:16] <foobarry> welcome to skypecalltestingservice
[11:16] <czajkowski> popey: this determines my ability to upgrade :/
[11:16] <bashrc_> use mumble instead
[11:17]  * diddledan mutters something under his breath
[11:17] <czajkowski> bashrc_: most of the people I need to talk to daily are via skype
[11:17] <diddledan> see there's a reason people tell you not to mumble :-p
[11:17] <czajkowski> I also use hipchat bluejeans and that evil system goto which doesn't work on Ubuntu or anything other than windows or mac
[11:17] <bashrc_> mumble is pretty easy, and open source
[11:18] <czajkowski> bashrc_: indeed I agree but also not suitable for me
[11:18] <popey> mumble is not easier than skype if the other person already has skype
[11:18] <czajkowski> I can load skype with credit and ring  places outside of the UK which also is a chunk of things I do daily
[11:18] <awilkins> Mumble is not easier than Skype even if the other person has neither
[11:18] <czajkowski> as popey points out it's also more hassle if everyone else I need to talk to doens't use mumble but does use skype
[11:18] <davmor2> bashrc: these are real people she talks to not geeks, it's a job thing
[11:19] <awilkins> We use Zoom
[11:19] <awilkins> They just got around to having a Linux client
[11:19] <awilkins> It segfaults on my machine
[11:19] <awilkins> Easiest : WebRTC
[11:19] <bashrc_> a mumble client was quite easy to install on android. I'm not sure about UbuntuPhones though
[11:19] <awilkins> e.g. http://talky.io
[11:19] <ali1234> jitsi is easier than skype even if you already have skype
[11:19] <ali1234> "go to this webpage"
[11:19] <awilkins> Is jitsi now WebRTC?
[11:19] <ali1234> yes
[11:19] <popey> czajkowski: http://people.canonical.com/~alan/skypetest.mp3
[11:20] <czajkowski> popey: brilliant thank you!!!
[11:20] <awilkins> Any webconferencing platform that doesn't use WebRTC is cruising on it's inertia
[11:20] <ali1234> yep
[11:21] <czajkowski> goto is citrix and is EVIL!
[11:21] <czajkowski> so backward with it's requirments
[11:21] <awilkins> Goto have a WebRTC client now
[11:21] <czajkowski> awilkins: ohh
[11:21] <diddledan> jitsi now owned by atlassian?
[11:21] <czajkowski> I just dial in do tell me more
[11:21] <willcooke> Anyone got any thoughts on a cheap 3g data plan for USB dongles which will be used very rarely?
[11:22] <ali1234> willcooke: three
[11:22] <willcooke> thx ali1234
[11:22] <awilkins> WebEx works cross-platform but to get it to work properly on Linux you need to set up a special 32-bit environment for it
[11:22] <awilkins> WebEx is Java + native libs AFAICT
[11:22] <ali1234> willcooke: cpecifically the "1 2 3" payg account
[11:22] <czajkowski> willcooke: sim only on 3 ?
[11:23] <awilkins> willcooke, GiffGaff with a non-recurring gigabag?
[11:23] <ali1234> of course the problem with three is they have awful coverage
[11:23] <ali1234> so it depends where you're going to use it
[11:23] <davmor2> willcooke: giffgaff data buckets are kinda crappy, great for phones though.  3 probably gives you the largest data plan on pay as you go
[11:23] <davmor2> awilkins: ^
[11:24] <awilkins> davmor2, I only use the phone plans, and tether if I need data
[11:24] <awilkins> davmor2, As long as you're on a plan with a cap, tethering is totes allowed
[11:24] <davmor2> awilkins: my point exactly it's great for phones.  but the data only plans kinda suck
[11:25] <awilkins> If you're willing to switch your phone, it's a great plan for phone + occasional data access
[11:26] <awilkins> But I can't say about the data only plans because I've never needed to research them
[11:27] <awilkins> Re : ewbconf
[11:27] <awilkins> When someone successfully integrates WebRTC + Wave, game over
[11:27] <awilkins> WebRTC + Wave (with lots of different wavelet apps like mindmapping / document editing)
[11:28] <awilkins> The next step up from there is VR webconferencing with haptic interfaces editing 3D models in real time
[11:59] <daubers> Just dropped into say, upgraded my machine to 15.04 and Unity is now pretty good to use. Thanks guys :)
[12:00] <daubers> Also, what's the MTA of choice these days?
[12:01]  * penguin42 still uses exim but hmm
[12:02] <daubers> I've never used exim. I've used the one that I want to say is postgres but isn't and still starts with a p :)
[12:03] <penguin42> yes, that one....
[12:03] <daubers> postfix!
[12:03] <penguin42> right
[12:04] <daubers> Sorry, I knew it was post<something> and I've been using too much postgres recently
[12:06] <penguin42> bulbs are complicated; 12W LED bulbs seem to give about 1000 lumens out, and are listed as 75W equivalent, yet wikipedia lists 100W/230v as 1160 lumen, so you'd think it would be closer
[12:15] <foobarry> where are you buying the bulbs penguin42
[12:16]  * penguin42 is googling a bit
[12:16] <penguin42> foobarry: CPC list 12W LED bulbs at ~1000 lumen
[12:17] <foobarry> amazon and ebay seem sto sell dodgy chinese stuff
[12:17] <foobarry> b&q are ££
[12:17] <foobarry> not much in between
[12:17] <penguin42> foobarry: I'm not really convinced that there are is any good stuff
[12:18] <foobarry> its so dreary and cold today i'm having soup :-|
[12:18] <intrbiz> bring back incandescent i say
[12:18] <diplo> Electrical Wholesalers!
[12:19] <penguin42> intrbiz: Well, since I was woken at 7am (3 hours after I went to bed) by someone changing a compact-flourescent that had just expired at under 5 months old (and therefor <2000 hours use) - grrr
[12:19] <diplo> Just don't buy cheap, won't last
[12:19] <zmoylan-pi> incandescent never went away
[12:19] <diplo> Well we're not allowed to sell it zmoylan-pi
[12:19] <zmoylan-pi> i'm sure i saw some on shop shelf in last year somewhere.  it suprised me
[12:19] <penguin42> diplo: Oh, well, of course you can buy rough service bulbs, for those erm specialist applications
[12:20] <penguin42> diplo: And oddly those seem to be available everywhere
[12:21] <diplo> Hadn't read about that, just reading an article on it :P
[12:22] <diplo> I used to work for Electrical Wholesalers, now work for a software company supplying software to electrical wholesalers :)
[12:22] <penguin42> diplo: Ah, fun
[12:23] <penguin42> diplo: So they can track the 25000 different SMD components that all look the same and can track the certifcates of compliance and things?
[12:23] <diplo> nah, we're the ERP side, selling over the counter.. sod getting into all that
[12:23] <diplo> :P
[12:24] <popey> Daughters lava lamp only works with incandescent lamps... hard to get ones that last
[12:24] <penguin42> what makes over the counter for electrical wholesalers any different from any other over-the-counter?
[12:24] <foobarry> mine still works for 20 years
[12:24] <diplo> popey: What type of bulb is it ? I can take a look here if you like
[12:25] <diplo> They do LED ones that look identical to incandescent now as well
[12:25] <diplo> penguin42: Trade accounts and prices, specialist Three phase stuff
[12:25] <diplo> Not having to deal with cash people so much
[12:25]  * zmoylan-pi realised last night that if they switch off the fm radio stations here in favour of dab that my 30yo fm radio will be obsolete...
[12:25] <popey> LED is no good
[12:25] <popey> they don't get hot enough to make the lava melt
[12:25] <penguin42> diplo: ah yeh
[12:26] <penguin42> popey: Do you often have problems with lava?
[12:26] <diplo> True, never had a lava lamp, wasn't sure if the bulb just worked to light it up and an element did the softening
[12:26] <zmoylan-pi> well apart from the guy with lava lamp who won a darwin award
[12:26] <diplo> Well if you have a make and model of the bulb I can see what if you like
[12:27] <diplo> anyhoo off to get a sandwich
[12:27] <popey> no, it needs to be hot
[12:27] <popey> to make the wax lava melt
[12:27] <popey> looks like mathmos themselves sell them
[12:27] <popey> http://www.mathmos.com/E14-SES-Screw-fitting.html
[12:27] <foobarry> can you get IR bulbs
[12:29] <foobarry> http://www.lightbulbs-direct.com/golfball-40w-ses-clear/p1075/
[12:29] <foobarry> i think only banned for 60w and over?
[12:29] <foobarry> or did i make that uip
[12:35] <ali1234> get a 1000W LED floodlight
[12:36] <ali1234> not only will it be hot enough to melt the wax, it will also blind anyone in the immediate vicinity :)
[12:37] <diddledan> ali1234: +1
[12:38] <foobarry> aterry: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/apple-watch-tattoos-could-break-key-smartwatch-functions-10211777.html
[12:39] <foobarry> woops
[12:42] <zmoylan-pi> those poor hipsters...
[12:44] <daftykin1> XD
[12:44] <daftykin1> how *will* they cope?
[12:45] <daftykin1> ah neat, my das keyboard is dropping O's again today
[12:47] <awilkins> Those Cherry switches aren't infinite in lifetime, are they
[12:48] <zmoylan-pi> version 2 of the apple watch will have a laser to drill for skin...
[12:48] <awilkins> I have a G80-3000 (Cherry assembled keyboard) and some of the switches need "warming up" some days
[12:48] <zmoylan-pi> you may experience some pain for the first few days of wearing version 2 :-P
[12:49] <daftykin1> well i don't think this is that old
[12:49] <daftykin1> typically after a warm up it plays nicely
[12:49] <zmoylan-pi> is the keyboard clean?
[12:50] <daftykin1> yeah i've stripped and cleaned it before to no avail
[12:54] <daftykin1> now my scroll wheel is starting to go up when i roll down :<
[12:54] <daftykin1> there's a war on my desk, my input devices hate me
[12:58] <zmoylan-pi> your mouse... it's coming right at you!! ::blasts it with nerf::
[13:00] <daftykin1> i shall feed it to the cat
[13:10] <daftykins> amazing i didn't even see my nick
[13:40] <diplo> foobarry: Asking me if I can get IR bulbs? If so yeah afaik, used to be able to
[13:40] <diplo> Also it was 100's then 60's and now all are banned
[13:51] <Flashtek> Q: with a 14.04 install, is it possible/sane to use dns-nameserver entries in the interfaces file ?
[13:51] <diplo> popey: 40watt about £1.60 + vat from one of our suppliers
[13:53] <daftykins> Flashtek: dnsmasq might fight you i would expect
[13:53] <daftykins> best to purge resolvconf then hardcode into /etc/resolv.conf
[13:54] <Flashtek> dnsmasq not installed
[13:54] <daftykins> i don't know much about it so can't even tell you if that's the package
[13:56] <Flashtek> kk
[13:57] <popey> diplo: proper lamps?
[13:58] <diplo> yeah, Osram ones I believe
[13:58] <diplo> They are halogen bulbs it appears
[13:58] <diplo> Par16/40w ses
[14:00] <diplo> if you do a search for that on google you find some cheaper prices than the link you sent
[14:01] <diplo> http://www.oceanlighting.co.uk/light-bulbs-c111/reflector-spots-light-bulbs-c167/bell-bell-05042-40w-clear-r50-par-16-reflector-spot-ses-e14-bulb-p16874/s16875?gclid=Cj0KEQjwgoKqBRDt_IfLr8y1iMUBEiQA8Ua7XX8PFeclc7mXQgfQEbVXePFDQffJJnRIGdSy-Lm4lDYaAmyy8P8HAQ
[14:01] <diplo> Like that
[14:01] <diplo> https://www.easy-lightbulbs.com/light-bulbs/halogen-lighting/par-halogen-reflector-bulbs/screw-in-14mm-diameter/p1640fl-ses-ca/?gclid=Cj0KEQjwgoKqBRDt_IfLr8y1iMUBEiQA8Ua7XbDTAylXASgp_5PIvDHUc82oHFJsf5DfIPwDGEWvwvoaArCS8P8HAQ
[14:01] <diplo> Or that
[14:03] <Flashtek> does anyone else know if the dns setting within /etc/network/interfaces is valid ?
[14:03] <daftykins> just do what i mentioned and life will be fine
[14:04] <Flashtek> daftykins: if it were down to me, that's how it'd be done... however I need conclusive proof that it doesn't work as expected
[14:04] <Flashtek> i'm fairly sure it's a depricated feature
[14:04] <daftykins> why must you configure these things via the interfaces file?
[14:05] <daftykins> the word is deprecated - depreciate means to drop in value :>
[14:05] <Flashtek> daftykins: it's part of a salstack controlled environment
[14:05] <daftykins> which way around is deprecated?
[14:05] <daftykins> that means nothing to me
[14:05] <Flashtek> dropped feature
[14:06] <daftykins> no i'm asking which approach you consider to be deprecated?
[14:06] <Flashtek> nameservers in interfaces file
[14:06] <daftykins> not sure on that, i just don't do it that way
[14:07] <daftykins> modern versions are a bit too automagic, so i purge the package resolvconf and set manual config
[14:07] <daftykins> you can probably do it via interfaces as well as hardcoding /etc/resolv.conf direct - just bear in mind that one reboot after purging /etc/resolv.conf will likely still overwrite that file, only subsequent reboots will it persist
[14:07] <Flashtek> we have mixed installs where some of the systems are DHCP
[14:08] <Flashtek> and a handful are statis
[14:08] <Flashtek> *static
[14:08] <daftykins> for servers!?
[14:09] <Flashtek> depends on how you define 'server'
[14:09] <daftykins> computer running a service accessed from elsewhere
[14:10] <Flashtek> yes then
[14:10] <Flashtek> sshd
[14:10] <daftykins> seems unreliable
[14:11] <daftykins> Flashtek: anywho this might help, it explains some of what changed since 12.04 time - https://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[14:11] <Flashtek> thanks daftykins
[14:11] <daftykins> np :)
[14:19] <Flashtek> seems that the dns-nameservers entry in interfaces is not documented anywhere handy... aside from stating "needs resolvconf"
[14:22] <daftykins> hah
[14:22] <daftykins> assuming this host is never going to move environment, i'd prefer hardcoded myself
[14:23] <penguin42> daftykins: If you're setting up static then just take networkmanager out and put the dns server in /etc/resolv.conf ?
[14:24] <daftykins> NM wouldn't be there if this were a server? (this is the approach i'm coming from)
[14:24] <penguin42> daftykins: Right
[14:24] <daftykins> also resolvconf handles resolv.conf as above due to automagic evils
[14:24] <penguin42> right, but you can knock it all back to be simple
[14:25] <daftykins> i guess i never asked if it were desktop or server
[15:15] <diddledan> techy, but some might moan at me for mentioning: ms build is about to start in 15 minutes (http://channel9.msdn.com/) be interesting to see what they say about 'dows10
[15:16] <diddledan> in other news, I'm 32 and my beard is already turning grey. I'm not only a neckbeard, but a greybeard too!
[15:17] <diddledan> not as bad as my dad tho - his is completely white now
[15:17] <penguin42> diddledan: Ah, distinguished
[15:17] <diddledan> :-)
[15:18] <diddledan> I'm sporting a pretty decent nerdy-tail with my hair these days, too
[15:18]  * bashrc_ is amused to find a command called "lunch"
[15:18] <diddledan> bashrc: you're doing android or related dev :-p
[15:19] <diddledan> there's also brunch
[15:19] <bashrc_> but is there a teatime?
[15:19] <diddledan> or is it breakfast?
[15:19] <bashrc_> dinner?
[15:19] <diddledan> alas, no
[15:20] <diddledan> android and ubuphone's build process is a bit black-art to me
[15:21] <diddledan> but then build processes in general confuse me
[15:21] <diddledan> autotools is a mystery
[15:21] <diddledan> cmake even more so
[15:22] <foobarry> mmm camke
[15:22] <foobarry> cake
[15:22] <diddledan> foobarry: get yourself invited onto the podcast - they always seem to have cake
[15:24] <diddledan> wow, when did they go up? I've missed three episodes of it
[15:24] <foobarry> i've misssed the past 3 years
[15:24] <popey> diddledan: build process for phone itself or apps on the phone?
[15:24] <foobarry> somehow got out of the habit
[15:24] <diddledan> popey: is the naming scheme beers?
[15:24] <popey> no
[15:25] <diddledan> popey: the build process for the actual phone - the androidy bits specifically
[15:25] <popey> yeah, no idea how that works
[15:25] <diddledan> damn
[15:25] <diddledan> I will figure out this naming scheme!
[15:26] <popey> it's a fun one :)
[15:26] <diddledan> has anyone guessed yet?
[15:26] <popey> not that anyone has told me
[15:26] <diddledan> ok
[15:27] <diddledan> I'm still in the running then :-p
[15:27] <diddledan> there is a prize, right? :-D
[15:27] <diddledan> teehee
[15:27] <diddledan> we all know we want "more quizzes"
[15:27] <bashrc_> cmake is a riddle inside of an enigma
[15:27] <popey> heh
[15:28] <diddledan> bashrc_: you need a bombe to crack the outer enigma
[15:28] <popey> we use cmake for many of the apps on the phone
[15:28] <bashrc_> :)
[15:28] <diddledan> yeah cmake started as a qt or kde thing so it makes sense to use it extensively for apps considering they're mostly qt-based
[15:28] <ali1234> cmake is nice
[15:29] <ali1234> diddledan: aren't you thinking of qmake?
[15:29] <diddledan> oh maybe I am
[15:29] <diddledan> damn you memory-cells!
[15:29] <ali1234> i don't think they are related, i could be wrong though
[15:41] <ujjain> greetings
[15:41] <ujjain> http://getworkdonemusic.com/# can somebody check if the play button on this site works?
[15:41] <ujjain> I've been repetititevely been pressing it for 2 minutes
[15:42] <ujjain> maybe it's a metaphor: "don't listen to music, get work done"
[15:44] <daftykins> :D pretty good idea. sorry don't trust such sites.
[15:45] <popey> doesn't work here in chrome on ubuntu
[15:46] <ujjain> it was in my firefox bookmarks
[15:46] <ujjain> from 3 years ago
[15:46] <ujjain> I guess soundcloud integration broke
[15:46] <ujjain> cleaning up bookmarks, I think I'm one of the few these days that still uses bookmarks
[15:47] <daftykins> :D anything i bookmark i never look at again
[15:47] <daftykins> i browse by manually entering URLs, but age is making the ol' memory suffer
[15:48] <shauno> I bookmark things to force them to show up in the guesses when the omnibox tries to read my mind
[15:49] <popey> same here
[15:50] <daftykins> :D
[16:04] <Flashtek> ujjain: click fast, or faster
[16:09] <awilkins> ujjain, There's a codec thing you need for it to work
[16:14] <ujjain> hmm ok
[16:14] <ujjain> it does work now :p
[16:14] <ujjain> I like this song
[16:15] <ujjain> boom boom boom boom
[16:15] <ujjain> boom boom
[16:54] <popey> http://techcrunch.com/2015/04/29/microsoft-shocks-the-world-with-visual-studio-code-a-free-code-editor-for-os-x-linux-and-windows/
[16:55] <zmoylan-pi> microsoft is not a friend of open source
[16:56] <popey> historically...
[16:56] <zmoylan-pi> the patent trolling on android now remains
[16:57] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: Yes, you check the licenses on their c# stuff and find it doesn't grant patents except for use in c# systems, so if you pick up their code that's free in it and use it elsewhere you're in a world of pain
[16:58] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: Free to use from copyright point of view, but not patent
[16:58] <zmoylan-pi> i've seen their behaviour since the 80s.  i'll never trust them
[16:58] <penguin42> nod
[16:59] <shauno> still interesting to see a new CEO make some new moves though
[17:00] <zmoylan-pi> i keep meaning to put up a list of companies screwed over by ms. but it's such a huge list...
[17:02] <bashrc_> penguin42: I think MS still has a "patent promise" which is legally worthless
[18:06] <awilkins> MS totally copying the "Ubuntu phone is your PC" thing then
[18:20] <zmoylan-pi> with things like the pi about the day when you can build your own mobile device to your own spec and capabilities is getting ever closer
[18:24] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: It's difficult - a lot of getting the device small, thin, light etc is squashing what you want into the case, and small changes are hard - the modular things from Google kind of look interesting, but still look a bit thick
[18:25]  * zmoylan-pi remembers the psion ii. and how the ones we had at work lasted long into the wince/pocket pc era as they were just so useful.
[18:25]  * penguin42 had the 3a - well, the Acorn version of it
[18:25] <daftykins> 3c here :O still lurking somewhere
[18:26] <daftykins> i think it was relegated to crossword duty for the old girl
[18:26] <zmoylan-pi> and also how every one i knew who used a psion ii had a story of driving over it with a land rover for some reason, usually accidental...
[18:26]  * penguin42 wonders if material science could build one of those with a decent hinge now
[18:26] <daftykins> haha they really did creak didn't they?
[18:26] <penguin42> mine has a hinge broken after a few years of use
[18:26] <zmoylan-pi> they creaked, they squeaked but land rovers never killed one of them...
[18:27] <penguin42> you ran over a psion in a land rover?
[18:27] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: are you secretly part of a land rovers anonymous club?
[18:28] <zmoylan-pi> it just seems that every time i met someone with a psion ii they had driven over accidently with their land rover.  and it always seemed to be a land rover.  no minis... about 4-5 seperate stories from different people.
[18:28] <zmoylan-pi> usually they had put the psion ii on the roof of car to open door and then forgot it which was 2-3 of the stories
[18:28] <zmoylan-pi> and then when realising and driving back they dinged it the second time
[19:14]  * DJones hands daftykins Some diet pills
[19:15] <daftykins> ;)
[19:39] <davmor2> popey: with have the winner for the W release Worrisome Worms with the catchline "Incoming"
[19:39] <popey> lies
[19:42] <davmor2> popey: you can't tell me you don't want this as the next backdrop http://ih0.redbubble.net/image.13839012.8439/fc,550x550,white.u1.jpg
[19:43] <davmor2> popey: obvious with the origami backdrop ;)
[21:03] <daftykins> hey diddledan did you hear the news?
[21:03] <daftykins> the Microsoft Edge browser, now with mspaint integration - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH1D31YHsgY
[21:04] <daftykins> perhaps that's what Spartan is
[21:04] <diddledan> yeah I'm watching the keynote now
[21:04] <diddledan> project spartan is now known as "Microsoft Edge"
[21:04] <daftykins> have you a linky?
[21:05] <diddledan> it was earlier, I'm watching the video I cached from channel9.msdn.com
[21:05] <daftykins> ah
[21:06] <daftykins> me too now \o/ ty