[00:00] daniel31: many would argue HDDs are much more secure than SSDs, if you care [00:00] sounds like a dubious claim to me [00:01] daftykins: what is known is that securely erasing SSDs isn't trivial like it is with HDD [00:02] that is not the same as your first statement [00:02] also, i bet you'd have the same troubles trying to secure erase both types [00:02] daniel31: you should copy your home directory so you can move it onto the SSD [00:02] this sounds like a good discussion for the offtopic channel [00:02] except that i am both going to bed and not going to join that, so there's no need to tell regulars the rules :) [00:02] daniel31: you should copy the files unencrypted from your home dir to a backup location, along with the list of manually installed packages [00:03] I heard it's harder to recover from an SSD, sounds like a security plus. daniel31 I would start with a backup, I'm running mine now, I'm in a similar position. [00:03] I heard ssds cause cancer [00:03] daftykins: erasing an HDD is easy, you just have to wait a long time [00:03] but in reality they just give you faster access [00:03] acz32: not that long [00:03] acz32: please take note of the off topic warning. [00:03] i see a package called totem-mozilla in utopic and previous releases, this package doesn't exist in vivid... where is the best place to ask why it doesn't exist anymore? "ubuntu developers" are lested as the maintainer [00:03] petrvs: depends on the size of the disk, of course [00:03] also, i cannot continue this conversation as i am leaving :) [00:04] daftykins: bye [00:08] I see. Thanks for the input guys. Is there no easy way to access the encrypted files if I know the password then? Why not just boot back into the HDD (connected over USB) and copy the files to the SSD after the new distro is installed? [00:08] acz32: well, the larger the disk, likely the more ram & proc powe you have, and consequently the faster the wipe, too [00:09] not necessarily, though, of course [00:09] but mostly, there is rarely a reason to wipe a disk [00:09] As it happens, I need the SSD for speed (I am a photography and a software developer). The encryption is nice against the threats I face, but it's hardly a life-or-death situation. :-) [00:10] usually the case =) [00:10] I missed the beginning of your issue, though [00:14] daniel31: like we said, just back up /home and copy it onto the SSD after you re-install the OS [00:14] thanks guys :-) [00:16] daniel31: so you are creating /home on the SSD? [00:16] is it that big. i think most people put /root on there and /home on a HDD [00:17] well its 256gb. I intend to have the entire OS on it since its my laptop I cant really have two. the old HDD will be retired into a backup medium and media/large file storage over usb. [00:18] 256GB. nice [00:18] I really want to be able to mount my old encrypted home temporarily in my new install. not sure if thats possible tho. [00:18] daniel31: yes, it is. some file managers even handle that if you click on an encrypted volume [00:19] thats good to know acz32. no need to backup the encrypted key or some thing like that then? all I need is my user password? === q-bert is now known as hubert- === DarkDevil is now known as darkdevil [00:20] daniel31: if you're ok mounting from commandline if your file manager doesn't pop up a nice GUI dialog, then sure [00:21] My dock is really annoying, i've set it to auto hide and show when i move mouse to left, sensitivity at max, but i still have to move my mouse at least 3-4 times before it finally shows [00:21] is there a trick i'm missing, or can i use a keyboard shortcut for showing it [00:23] thanks acz32. thats all I need to know I think. off to bed now. bye guys! [00:25] hello [00:26] 'lo [00:37] daniel31: ymmv, but i'd strongly suggest using LUKS over "home directory encryption" === PirateP is now known as PirateP|away === PirateP|away is now known as PirateP === it is now known as Guest15707 === linuxuser is now known as Guest67820 [00:49] Hello Ubuntu channel [00:49] Hi, how I can copy ubuntu xorg config to another distro like arch? [00:50] Guest67820: Hi [00:51] hello [00:51] i am a new ubuntu mate [00:52] Anyone faced a failed Ubuntu upgrade from lucid to precise? There was not enough room in /boot partition and it aborted the upgrade. Now it shows that I’m on Precise, but with an old kernel and I’m not even sure if all the upgrade steps completed properly. Did anyone experience a similar situation? [00:54] i want come in to group linux, please, sent me server [00:54] ##linux ? [00:54] ##linux? [00:54] ##linux ? [00:54] /join ##linux [00:56] i don't join it [00:56] You have to register your nick [00:56] gioankminh, yes you did [00:56] You must register your IRC nickname, using the command /msg NickServ REGISTER password email in here. Remember to use a valid email. === PirateP is now known as PirateP|away [01:01] Hi i like to install Ubuntu .. I have windows installed and i want to install vai the network [01:01] kazdax: why via the network [01:01] what are the steps i should take to install ubuntu over the network and i dont have a parition already ..so i need to make a partition [01:02] mmm, making a partition _can_ be tedious [01:02] it _can_ also be not 100% safe [01:02] it's infinitely simpler to buy another disk, if you can afford it [01:02] you'll need the extra storage eventually anyway [01:02] Its a laptop [01:02] how tedious =) [01:02] and i installed my windows right now with a netork [01:02] network [01:02] well, to properly resize partitions with Windows preinstalled [01:02] so i was not able to make partitions [01:02] you really need to make sure the filesystems are defragmented [01:03] and then resize [01:03] and then fsck [01:03] and then proceed with Ubuntu installation [01:03] fsck? [01:03] and before all that you should make a backup of anything you can't live without [01:03] fsck, FS check [01:03] fsck=fuck? [01:03] penos: almost =) [01:03] oh.... [01:03] Unix hackers of yore didn't like typing [01:03] plus they _did_ like commands and names that resembled naughty words [01:04] can i do this all without a DVD [01:04] use like a USB drive [01:04] to repartition the disk [01:05] kazdax: you can, yes [01:05] and the ubuntu install over a netowrk ..do i mount the DVD and then share the drive [01:05] kazdax: you can install ubuntu from a usb disk [01:05] you can install over the network, too [01:05] but you need to figure out the partitioning/resizing first [01:05] network is faster [01:05] network is not faster [01:05] network is faster if you already know how to do it [01:05] but you don't =) [01:05] well for windows..i just shared the ISO over a netowrk [01:05] and executed it from the network [01:06] and it just did everything else ..i assume ubuntu does the same [01:06] so defragment the hardisk and then use fsck ? [01:06] I dont want to use windows anymore ..it gives me so many problems [01:07] kazdax: write the ubuntu iso to a usb drive, boot it, install, done [01:07] I rather use ubuntu [01:07] Ben64 yes i will do USB [01:07] but i need to repartition the disk [01:07] so i can install it [01:08] kazdax: the installer does that [01:08] ohh ? [01:08] so all i need is an ubuntu ISO and i can resize it within ? [01:08] yep [01:08] is the rezise thing hard to do ? [01:09] nope [01:09] it comes up when it ask whatt partition i was to install it on [01:09] ? [01:09] so it has an option that says resize [01:09] it gives you a few options, try it and see [01:09] i am asking because when i start doing it ..i dont have another computer to chat online and ask questions [01:10] okay one more question .. The network install isnt as easy as mounting the ISO and sharing it and then executing setup from the computer ? [01:10] just wondering if i can do a network insall ..if not ill be doing USB [01:10] one more question ..how to get ubuntu on the USB drive ? [01:11] !usb | kazdax [01:11] kazdax: For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent [01:11] thanks man [01:11] okay one more question ..does anyone of you use netflix on ubuntu ? [01:12] i think silverlight is microsoft windows only [01:12] !netflix [01:12] If you use Netflix, there is an unofficial solution for using it in Ubuntu detailed in http://www.compholio.com/netflix-desktop/ - bug reports in https://bugs.launchpad.net/netflix-desktop [01:12] cool [01:13] netflix actually supports so-called "HTML5" video now [01:13] you mostly just need a recent browser version [01:13] you need google chrome [01:13] simpler with chrome, yeah [01:13] that ships with drm ;) not just any browsers [01:13] that is the magic of the word mostly =) [01:14] okay what about after installing ubuntu ..will my ethernet work and wireless or do i need drivers for that ? [01:14] nevermind .. i think people have tried installing on this machine and it worked for hem [01:15] them [01:15] I will start using ubuntu for everything [01:15] I dont play window games anyways [01:15] I usually use it for reading PDF , watching netflix and listening to music [01:15] so i think ubuntu can do all that without much hassle [01:15] kazdax: ten'll get you twenty it'll all just work [01:15] if it doesn't, you can fix it [01:16] yeah it can do all that [01:16] it can even let you play most win32 games [01:16] okay ...what if i wanted to access windows paritition from ubuntu ? [01:16] for example my C drive ..when i am in ubuntu [01:16] can i save and read from that drive ? [01:17] even if it is NTFS [01:17] kazdax: yup [01:17] because i want to give my ubuntu ..half of the drive .. and if my ubuntu gets filled up use my windows Drive as a backup [01:17] cool [01:17] you can also do the reverse, if you want [01:18] okay cool [01:18] there used to be a time when this was not possible [01:18] mmmm [01:18] yeah I guess [01:18] maybe 15 years ago =) [01:19] things to progress, however slowly =) [01:22] okay whats step 3 persistence .. the value i need to add there [01:22] there is nothing about it on the ubuntu site you guys gave me [01:22] its USB creator [01:24] is persistence meaning how much space the ISO is [01:24] because its right now at zero and says live mode only [01:24] kazdax: no, its so changes you do to the live system will remain [01:24] kazdax: you don't need persistence [01:24] ahh i see [01:25] my USB is much slower than my netowrk [01:25] netowrk [01:25] network [01:26] The usb goes at 6 mb per secound ...my netowrk does 40 mb per secound [01:26] it would be done already if you just used the usb already [01:26] pretty sure there are more steps for a network install [01:27] _after_ you understand them [01:27] * petrvs shrugs [01:27] i think with network install..i wont be able to repartition as on a usb wih the inbuilt ubuntu tools [01:27] dunno about that, but I do think it'd take longer [01:27] my USB could be messed up [01:28] could be [01:28] probably isn't [01:28] 6 mb secound ? [01:28] its to slow [01:28] isnt it ? [01:28] no [01:29] i see [01:33] okay i am going ahead and installing ubuntu ..i will come back using it for irc [01:33] thanks alot guys .if any problems ill get back to you guys [01:35] hokay [01:46] buenas [01:46] alguien aqui en español [01:46] !es | ellen [01:46] ellen: En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba " /join #ubuntu-es " (sin comillas) y presione intro. [01:47] I was running "ubuntu-vm-builder kvm trusty" and it just stays Calling Hook: Bootstrap, it was there for two hours [01:47] the mayor of the canals of Ubuntu... [01:47] * petrvs giggles [01:49] good ole non-verbose automation [01:49] Hi! I installed Ubuntu 14.04 but the ati driver packages appear to be broken. They are not installable and the binary drivers require inexistant packages. Any help? Has anyone had that issue? [01:50] Fglrx is technically uninstallable right now. [01:50] xxtjaxx: did you run apt-get update ? [01:50] if you have an error message might be wise to share it too [01:51] several times I believe by now. [01:51] sure give me a second. [01:52] xorg-api-15 thingy? [01:52] somebody had that issue earlier [01:52] http://paste.debian.net/169775/ there ya gp [01:52] xorg-video-abi-* [01:52] *go [01:53] yup [01:53] yup [01:53] suggested fix? [01:53] i recall telling him to install 2 packages [01:53] hey guys, I was having some serious problems with my realtek wireless adapter and was told to try running newere kernels, has a nyone run 4.1.0-040100rc1-generic [01:53] the latter being abi-15 which pulled in something else, the first i can't recall [01:54] can you press up a couple times and find it? [01:54] xxtjaxx: it was about 2 weeks ago [01:54] oh and I guess you don [01:54] 't have a ssh shell with screen and irssi huh? [01:54] nope [01:54] ay caramba... [01:55] hold on [01:55] E: Package 'xorg-video-abi-14' has no installation candidat .... dangit [01:56] xxtjaxx: i think this was it sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core [01:59] http://paste.debian.net/169783/ [01:59] nope [01:59] ok i think it had to do with libcheese [01:59] delete it? [02:00] yes try sudo apt-get purge libcheese* [02:04] hey === karan is now known as kazdax [02:04] any luck xxtjaxx ? [02:04] heyo [02:04] i got it installed [02:04] right now trying to install flash layer [02:05] says Adobe-flashplugin not gound in the ubuntu software center [02:05] using adobes website to install [02:05] kazdax: you have to enable the multiverse repository [02:05] how do i do that ? [02:06] open the dash > software & updates [02:06] okay [02:07] now what do i do? [02:09] EriC^^, [02:10] EriC^^: Yup installed and uninstalled $stuff.. [02:11] I'm installing xorg-core now then abi14 then fglrx? [02:12] the multi verse is already selected [02:12] but i still cant install flash player...someone said i should use google chrome and that chrome comes with it === PirateP|away is now known as PirateP [02:13] for netflix, you can use chrome if you want [02:13] update/refresh first. It has to fetch the index of the multiverse before it can give it to you [02:13] that is the path of least resistance [02:13] Oh they enabled