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sithlord48can anyone tell me where kde splash screens go in 15.04 . i made one with QML that i used for kde4 i would like to use it for 15.0401:29
valorie"where" as in how do you add it?01:36
valorieof course one way to distribute it is to upload to kde-look.org01:37
valorieif just "how to add": https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=289&t=12529301:38
valoriehowever, this is the devel chan, not the help chan - in future please use #kubuntu for such questions01:38
valorieI didn't notice01:38
sithlord48valorie:  i did but noone in #kubuntu knew what i was talking about 01:40
valoriepeople do sleep, go afk to eat, etc.01:41
EtriaphIf I'm logging a bug against Kate for the 'Projects' plugin, would that be a python plugin?  Trying to be specific.02:58
mitya57sitter: Recommends by binary package should be enough06:27
mitya57(that's an answer to the question of ~20 hours ago :))06:28
lordievaderGood morning.07:41
sitterRiddell: baloo still doesn't like us http://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_daily_promotion_vivid_stable/494/console08:03
sitter06:49:28  baloo : Depends: baloo-kf5 (= 5.9.0+git20150429.1036+15.04) but 5.9.0+git20150429.1036+15.04-0ubuntu0 is to be installed08:03
sitterI am not entirely sure why -0ubuntu0 doesn't qualify though08:03
sitterseems a bit odd08:03
sitteruh uh, apparently source:Version includes the -0ubuntu0 bit for other builds Oo08:06
sitterah08:07
sitterRiddell: your fix should have  used source:Version I guess :P08:08
sitterthat's apparently also the difference between the two substvars. source:Version is epoch+upstream+revision, Upstream-Version is epoch+upstream. former would be able to meet =version wheras latter would only work with >=version08:10
sitterit all makes perfect sense now08:10
Riddellperfect sense :)08:12
sitterRiddell: pushed, can you upload to backports ppa plz08:13
Riddellsitter: yeah, thanks08:14
viphello08:14
Riddellhola vip 08:15
soeegood morning08:15
lordievadero/08:20
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soeeRiddell: can i grab somewhere this frameworkintegration package mentioned here in last comment https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346849 and just install it to get teh bug fixed?08:31
ubottuKDE bug 346849 in general "kmenuedit - can't add custom application icon" [Major,Unconfirmed]08:31
sitter08:31:57 KCI-E :: E: baloo-kf5 source: not-binnmuable-any-depends-any baloo -> baloo-kf508:32
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Riddellsoee: apt install frameworkintegration08:42
Riddellsitter: you changed it back to binary:Version but that's what we started off with08:45
sitterRiddell: and that was wrong?08:45
sitterOHHHHHHHHHHHHH08:46
soeeRiddell: yes yes, but the git version mentioned there as it is not in the current frameworks version we have08:46
sitterRiddell: right this is simply impossible08:46
soee*whre to grab it08:46
sitterhow about we simply use >= with source:Version?08:46
Riddellsitter: right,that's the version that gets changed with the rules magic08:46
Riddellsitter: good enough :)08:46
sitteror simply hardcode >= 5.908:46
sitteractually08:47
sitterRiddell: >= source:Upstream-Version08:47
sitterRiddell: backports doesn't need an upload though08:49
sitterfor the purposes of backports the =source:Version relationship I had pushed originally should be good enough (as in:will be installable)08:50
snelenot having working system tray icons for many applications in plasma 5 is just terible09:47
snelei hope kde devs will reimplement old xembed system tray in time for next kubuntu lts09:49
snelenot having system tray icons for dropbox, viber, steam etc is - disaster 09:51
lordievadersnele: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/06/where-are-my-systray-icons/09:52
snelelordievader: yes i have read that blog post09:52
alvinI've seen that link before too :-)09:52
snelelordievader: most apps will NOT be ported to new systray specification09:53
sneleand we are left with unusable apps without systray icons09:53
lordievaderTrue, it is unfortunate.09:53
snelewhy kde have to be first and break USER experiance? 09:54
BluesKaj'Morning folks10:05
soeesitter: steam icon is in systray10:05
soeeim not sue about dropbox because im using my own owncloud server10:06
soeeand owncloud icon works with systray10:07
BluesKajdropbox icon doesn't work with systemd, the service starts ok , but the icon does not10:08
alvinsoee: are you able to start the ownCloud client minimized?10:10
soeealvin: no10:10
alvinDoes that have something to do with the systray too? All minimized autostarted programs are in front of me every time I log on.10:11
soeei think its some mising optionfor a window10:18
sittersoee: pardon?10:21
soeesitter: someone mentioned that there is some option like --minimized or something not supported atm. or smth.10:21
sittercomplain to steam? xD10:22
soeeits not about steam, also owncloud and probably some other10:22
sitternot sure I understand10:23
shadeslayersni-qt:i386 ...10:25
sittershadeslayer: steam aint qtware methinks10:25
shadeslayerohm10:26
sitterbesides sniqt doesn't inject command line options, so that wouldn't be related anyway10:26
shadeslayerindeed10:26
soeeits hiher level for me atm. so i can't say more about it :)10:29
sitterwithout more context I can't say anything about it either :P10:29
alvinquasselcore --hidewindow is ignored. Well, the --hidewindow part is.10:29
sitterthat'd be a quassel thing though10:30
sitterSput: ^10:30
alvinI meant quasselclient10:30
soeesitter: if you want to test try to install owncloud clinent10:31
alvinsitter: You sure? It worked in KDE4. Same goes for KeePassX. There's an option 'start minimized', and it is ignored too.10:31
soeeyou will have icon in systray and its window opened10:31
* alvin can confirm that too10:31
alvinand a complaint about not having a systray10:31
vipoh, mine owncloud client does not minimize on start too (since ~month)10:32
soeebut there are some infos like here: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=107810 check line with: X-KDE-autostart-phase=210:32
sittersoee: well it has a window open because I haven't configured nothing ^^10:32
soeebut this tpic is pretty old10:32
soeesitter: configured what exactly ? :)10:33
sittera server10:33
sitterform the forum thread I get the idea that its owncloud's default behavior though10:33
soeesitter: but if you onfigure it and reboot window will me rendred anyway10:33
sitteronly it oculd be worked around by forcing it to get ksystemtray'd via kstart10:34
alvinNo, it starts minimized on 14.10 (with KDE4)10:34
sitterbut since ksystemtray was not ported or something that wouldn't work anymore10:34
soeeyup. in KDE4 was minimized10:34
sitterI don't see how10:34
sitteror rather10:34
sitterit may well be, I don't think its particularly related to plasma that it stopped doing so though10:34
sitterpull-lp-source: Warning: Distribution data outdated. Please check for an update for distro-info-data. See /usr/share/doc/distro-info-data/README.Debian for details.10:35
sitterOr specify a distribution.10:35
sitterRiddell, shadeslayer, ScottK: ^ what does an educated person do about that?10:35
sittersoee: can you give me a screenshot of the window it would show on start?10:38
shadeslayersitter: about distro-info-data ?10:38
shadeslayererm10:38
shadeslayer*update10:38
ScottKOne drives over to Mark's house and insists he pick a name.10:38
shadeslayer^10:39
sitterah lovely10:39
shadeslayerWobbly Windows10:39
shadeslayerthat's what it should be caled10:39
RiddellScottK: hard to drive to an island10:39
Riddellbut I have a canoe if you want10:39
sitterWanking Wanker10:39
shadeslayerCanoeing across the atlantic might be hard10:41
ahoneybunsitter: that should be the name of the W release lol10:41
sitteralvin, soee: owncloud client version has changed between 14.10 and 15.04 and this really seems more like a bug in the client than plasma10:47
ahoneybunsitter: do you know where that tabing windows feature is?10:52
ahoneybunyou used to be able to right click windows titles and have a way to "tab" them together in one window10:52
sittermight have been dropped10:53
sitterI seeem to recall having had a conversation about kwin features that were written but aren't maintained and needed to be dropped because of that10:53
ahoneybunoh thats sad10:53
ahoneybunbut understandable10:53
sitterahoneybun: right click window decoration -> settings -> advanced -> automatically group similar windows?10:54
ahoneybunI saw that not sure if it did anything on my machine though10:54
sitterwell no clue. perhaps ask on kde forums10:55
ahoneybunthanks sitter10:56
tnbphi, is anyone here using bumblebee AND kde frameworks 5?11:11
alvinI was also looking for that tabbing feature. Couldn't find it anymore. And that plasma netbook modus? Also gone?11:12
tnbphi, is anyone here using bumblebee AND kde frameworks 5?11:12
soeetnbp: nvidia-prime11:20
tnbpsoee: i think it would have to be bumblebee11:21
tnbpsoee: but thank you11:22
BluesKajtnbp:  like I said earlier in #kde, perhaps you should ask in  #opensuse-devel11:24
tnbpBluesKaj: hello again :D11:24
BluesKajtnbp: aka #opensuse-factory11:25
tnbpBluesKaj: i couldn't find the devel channel at first, gonna ask there now11:26
BluesKajok tnbp, good 11:26
sitterkubotu_: order fishnchips11:29
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sittermh11:29
sitterkubotu_: nick kubotu11:29
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soee_Riddell: reds in apps gone, but this packages are marked to be removed: calligra-libs karbon libktpotrprivate8 libmarblewidget2011:41
Riddellsoee_: thanks for keeping an eye on it :)11:49
Riddellsoee_: I just uploaded callige calligra_2.9.2-0ubuntu3~ubuntu14.10~ppa1_source.changes so that'll use the new libmarblewidget and fix that, but I guess it'll take some hours to compile11:49
Riddellsoee_: oh can you install digikam ok now?11:49
soee_Riddell: i have it installed and dont see update for it11:50
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soeeRiddell: what about this 2 kdepim pckages that are red https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-stage2/+packages ?11:58
Riddellsoee: well spotted, updating12:04
BluesKajalso can't run more than one instance of kate at a time, hope this bug is fixed soon12:05
tron71Hi12:18
tron71I'm facing this very annoying bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34367312:18
ubottuKDE bug 343673 in general "KDEInit could not launch </usr/bin/kate>" [Grave,Resolved: fixed]12:18
tron71I see that it is fixed in kde applications 15.0412:19
tron71are there any plans to provide a version of kde applications 15.04 for Kubuntu?12:19
tron71because that bug makes Kate almost impossible to use...12:19
tron71it's usable only with a single file ;)12:19
BluesKajit's not fixed on my install though 12:19
tron71The bug is also present in the live version of kubuntu 15.0412:19
tron71and in my current Kubuntu 15.04, the KDE applications are still old if I understand correctly:12:20
tron71kde-baseapps-bin 4:14.12.3-0ubuntu312:20
Riddelltron71: apps 15.04 is in testing now http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_15.04.0_vivid.html12:22
soeetron71: devs are working on 15.04 apps, should be ready sson i thinl12:22
soeeRiddell: still reds12:22
Riddellsoee: that's only because you pointed out the problems :)12:22
Riddellmaybe if nobody tested it we wouldn't have any reds :)12:23
soee~.~12:23
Riddellis a build failure really a build failure if nobody tests it?12:23
sgclarkoh kdepim...12:25
mparillotron71: > it's usable only with a single file ;) I know you are asking for two INSTANCES of kate, but I have had multiple files open in multiple tabs in a single instance of kate.12:25
tron71mparillo: I'm asking something different: I'd like to have multiple files open in multiple tabs, in a single instance, but this bugs prevents it12:26
tron71as soon as you have such two tabs, the Dolphin instance you used for opening them freezes, until you close Kate (or at least, you close the second Kate tab)12:27
mparilloBut if you open the files from Kate instead of Dolphin, then is Dolphin frozen?12:28
mparilloNot saying it isn't a bug, of course.12:29
tron71No: it freezes only if you open two files from Dolphin... that's what I usually do every day ;)12:30
tron71And it's not only Dolphin: the same happens if you open two files from KRunner12:31
tron71after they're open in Kate, KRunner does not show up anymore, until you close Kate12:31
KDDAanyone having intermitant problems shutting down in 15.04?12:31
tron71that's why I'm saying that's a rather blocking bug :)12:32
mparilloWhen I use the File Open dialog from kate (which looks a whole lot like dolphin), I can select several files, and open them all at once, and it seems usable. I understand it is not your workflow. (https://xkcd.com/1172/) but at least that one is already fixed upstream.12:37
BluesKajmparillo:  ok rthanks for the tip abnout the tabs in kate, bu tin my setupthere aren't any real tabs like a browser, just titles 12:37
tron71mparillo: I don't think it's only my workflow: as I said, suppose you have opened a file in Kate (e.g., with File Open dialog), then you search for a file in KRunner (or click on a file in Dolphin), it will open in Kate, and this will freeze the original application...12:40
tron71it looks like the original application has a bug...12:41
tron71it's not about workflow ;)12:41
tron71it's about preventing real usability of the DE12:41
BluesKajtron71:  haveupgraded to plasma 5.3, because the krunner works fine here with both kate and dolphin open 12:44
tron71have you just upgraded?12:44
BluesKajhave you upgraded that is 12:44
tron71I've upgraded yesterday evening (on another computer which I don't have right one) and the bug was still there12:44
BluesKaj upgraded 2 days ago to plasma 5.3 12:45
tron71on the computer you're writing from?12:45
BluesKajyes12:45
tron71and if you open two files from Dolphin, then Dolphin won't freeze?12:45
tron71(and the two files are open in the very same Kate instance)12:46
BluesKajok , i see your bug now ...I have the same one, dolphin freezes trying to open 2 text files 12:47
BluesKajas mparillo suggested try opening them in kate instead , I managed to open 4 without any trouble12:49
tron71yes, me too, but as I said above, this decreases the workbench usability, as soon as you use KRunner, or click on a text file from the file manager...12:50
tron71I don't think this is only *my* workflow :)12:50
tron71what I love of KRunner (and in particular of the current Baloo) is that I can quickly (really quickly) open files...12:51
BluesKajwell I'm not on the job, so being a home user several open text  files isn't needed very uften12:52
tron71but this bug makes such usability go away...12:52
tron71I'm a developer, and this is a huge usability drawback :)12:52
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tron71Riddell: as you said, devs are working on KDE applications 15.04; when they are ready, will they be available only with a backport ppa?13:02
tron71in any case, will this be announced on the kubuntu website, or is there another feed to look at to get updates about that?13:03
Riddelltron71: yes and yes13:04
tron71OK, then I'll keep my eyes on the kubuntu website :)13:04
tron71any estimation of time?13:05
alvinGuys, would you provide a backport of libssh too if that fixes bug #1450085 ?13:16
ubottubug 1450085 in kde-runtime (Ubuntu) "kio_sftp can't connect to hosts after OpenSSH 6 has cached their ECDSA key" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145008513:16
alvinkio_sftp is broken in 15.04 and I'm not sure if using rsa as a workaround can be considered secure.13:17
shadeslayeralvin: possibly, but would go into backports and not in the regular repo13:20
shadeslayersince it seems like it introduces new features13:20
BluesKajit will also be nice once the plasma 4 dependent apps like like dolphin are switched over to plasma 5 and when these apps' colour and font settings appear set properly with root permissions and not the defaults, which atm can't be changed 13:21
alvinI've looked for the changelog https://www.libssh.org/2014/12/19/libssh-0-6-4-security-and-bugfix-release/ There are indeed 3 new features including ECDSA support which Dolphin needs here.13:23
shadeslayerright13:23
shadeslayeralvin: so it'll have to go into the backports repo13:24
shadeslayerwhich people have to enable manually and what not13:24
ScottKI don't think ECDSA is something anyone needs.13:24
alvinFine by me. I don't know the rules here. The CVE doesn't get it accepted to ubuntu-security?13:25
ScottKIn fact, there are some curves that are known to be intentionally cryptographically weak.13:25
ScottKWe'll fix the CVE.13:25
alvinScottK: The trouble is that it's ssh's default. When you make a normal ssh connection, you can't use kio_sftp anymore afterwards.13:25
ScottKOnly if you have an ECDSA key.13:26
alvinYes, but who doesn't? It's the default.13:26
ScottKBTW, the CVE is fixed in all supported Ubuntu releases: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2014/CVE-2014-8132.html13:29
ubottuDouble free vulnerability in the ssh_packet_kexinit function in kex.c in libssh 0.5.x and 0.6.x before 0.6.4 allows remote attackers to cause a denial of service via a crafted kexinit packet. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2014-8132)13:29
alvinI see. It is indeed already fixed. Ok, backports it should be then.13:32
shadeslayeractually13:33
shadeslayerI'm not sure how backporting would proceed here13:33
shadeslayerwe don't have W yet13:33
shadeslayercan you still file requests for backports when the next series hasn't updated the package?13:34
ScottKshadeslayer: Yes.13:34
shadeslayerokay13:34
shadeslayeralvin: request-backport libssh < plz run that 13:34
shadeslayerah, no -13:35
alvinno?13:36
ScottKalvin: Looking at man ssh_config under HostKeyAlgorithms, it seems to me that the only time it might be a problem is if a server only had ECDSA keys and I think that would be a mistake on their part.13:37
ScottKI have an ECDSA key, but it's actually rarely used.13:37
alvinStrange, I have several: grep ecdsa .ssh/known_hosts | wc -l  gives me 9413:38
alvinand 92 rsa entries, but those might be older13:38
alvinI'm sure that ECDSA is the default for Ubuntu too.13:39
shadeslayerI have 7913:39
ScottKMine says 30 for ECDSA and 113 for RSA.13:39
ScottKalvin: If by default, you mean first in the list of HostKeyAlgorithms, that's true, but it's just first.  Other algorithms will be tried.  The man page reference I gave a little bit ago mentions it.13:41
alvinYes, that's what I meant by default. I don't know the background for that decision. I only see that I can't use Dolphin unless I erase those entries from my .ssh/known_hosts file and reconnect using Dolphin first.13:43
ScottKThat sounds like kio_ssh not handling finding the right algorithm correctly.13:44
alvinIndeed13:51
alvinshadeslayer: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10952761/ Is this supposed to happen?14:06
shadeslayerheh14:06
shadeslayernope14:06
ScottKProbably because there's no devel release right now.14:07
shadeslayerprobably14:07
ScottKalvin: In order to backport libssh, you'd have to test all the users of the lib.reverse-depends -b libssh-dev for a list.14:07
alvinok. Waiting for Wondering Weasel14:12
BluesKajor wacky wombat :)14:14
Riddellsoee: you have problem with gtk apps in systray?14:14
Riddellor alvin?14:14
alvinNot me. My problem is with Qt apps (keepassx, owncloud-client and quasselclient in my case) Those do not start minimized.14:15
alvin(Even if configured to start minimized I should add.)14:15
Riddellalvin: using what way to start them minimised?14:15
alvinIn KeePassX: Settings -> Start minimized, and quasselclient --hidewindow. owncloud-client should start minimized by default.14:16
alvinStarting them all from System Settings -> Startup and Shutdown -> Desktop file14:17
Riddellalvin: and do they show in the systray at all?14:17
alvinYes, they do14:17
alvinI should add that this problem is only at login. When you start 'quasselclient --hidewindow' from the command line, it actually starts minimized.14:18
alvinChecking... Yes. owncloud starts minimized too. But not at log on.14:19
alvinand same goes for KeePassX when configured to do so. This is only when configuring Autostart14:20
alvin(might nog be related. If you're in 'kchmshell5 autostart', add a Script file and set that script file to 'startup' (not pre-KDE startup), then that setting will be gone. Check it by adding a script, closing the window and opening kcmshell5 autostart again)14:21
soeeRiddell: hard to say, i do not use a lot GTK apps14:32
Riddell15:25 < Riddell> sgclark: why is e.g. this yellow? https://build.kde.org/view/Plasma5%20stable-kf5-qt5/job/kde-cli-tools%20Plasma-5.3%20stable-kf5-qt5/4/console14:37
Riddell15:24 < Riddell> sgclark: for plasma releases I usually check everything is built before I make tars, is this the new url for me to use? https://build.kde.org/view/Plasma5%20stable-kf5-qt5/14:37
Riddellsgclark: my questions ↑ :)14:37
sgclarkRiddell: ok, yeah it seems there are some probelms with tests, I am sorting that now14:37
sgclarkRiddell: yeah that is the right view14:38
sgclarkRiddell: that particular one is yellow because it failed a test: https://build.kde.org/job/kde-cli-tools%20Plasma-5.3%20stable-kf5-qt5/PLATFORM=Linux,compiler=gcc/3/testReport/14:40
Riddellsgclark: you can ignore Tazmain, he's just a user who doesn't realised he's wandered into a meeting14:57
sgclarkoh ok lol14:57
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soeecalligra and kdepim failed to build15:34
Riddellsoee: meh15:52
soee;)15:53
* Riddell blogs http://jriddell.org/2015/04/30/plasma-5-4-kicked-off/16:20
geniioh, kicked not ticked16:25
mparilloI hope i am not the only Plasma 5.4 tester who primarily uses VMware.17:04
tsdgeosthere's no Plasma 5.4 yet, is there?17:05
mparilloIt sounded as if they were planning in #plasma.17:15
DarkwingThere a 5.3 ppa? 17:24
sebasYes17:32
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mparilloDarkwing: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5.318:10
_Groo_hi guys18:33
_Groo_i upgraded from 5.3.0 backports to kubuntu-ci18:33
_Groo_installed bluez-qt18:33
_Groo_https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/el9TyTto18:34
_Groo_but yet, i still dont have any bluetooth support in either kcm or panel18:34
_Groo_am i missing something?18:34
_Groo_i do have the bluetooth support for kcm4, but not in 5 :(18:36
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