[01:29] <sithlord48> can anyone tell me where kde splash screens go in 15.04 . i made one with QML that i used for kde4 i would like to use it for 15.04
[01:36] <valorie> "where" as in how do you add it?
[01:37] <valorie> of course one way to distribute it is to upload to kde-look.org
[01:38] <valorie> if just "how to add": https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=289&t=125293
[01:38] <valorie> however, this is the devel chan, not the help chan - in future please use #kubuntu for such questions
[01:38] <valorie> I didn't notice
[01:40] <sithlord48> valorie:  i did but noone in #kubuntu knew what i was talking about 
[01:41] <valorie> people do sleep, go afk to eat, etc.
[02:58] <Etriaph> If I'm logging a bug against Kate for the 'Projects' plugin, would that be a python plugin?  Trying to be specific.
[06:27] <mitya57> sitter: Recommends by binary package should be enough
[06:28] <mitya57> (that's an answer to the question of ~20 hours ago :))
[07:41] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:03] <sitter> Riddell: baloo still doesn't like us http://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_daily_promotion_vivid_stable/494/console
[08:03] <sitter> 06:49:28  baloo : Depends: baloo-kf5 (= 5.9.0+git20150429.1036+15.04) but 5.9.0+git20150429.1036+15.04-0ubuntu0 is to be installed
[08:03] <sitter> I am not entirely sure why -0ubuntu0 doesn't qualify though
[08:03] <sitter> seems a bit odd
[08:06] <sitter> uh uh, apparently source:Version includes the -0ubuntu0 bit for other builds Oo
[08:07] <sitter> ah
[08:08] <sitter> Riddell: your fix should have  used source:Version I guess :P
[08:10] <sitter> that's apparently also the difference between the two substvars. source:Version is epoch+upstream+revision, Upstream-Version is epoch+upstream. former would be able to meet =version wheras latter would only work with >=version
[08:10] <sitter> it all makes perfect sense now
[08:12] <Riddell> perfect sense :)
[08:13] <sitter> Riddell: pushed, can you upload to backports ppa plz
[08:14] <Riddell> sitter: yeah, thanks
[08:14] <vip> hello
[08:15] <Riddell> hola vip 
[08:15] <soee> good morning
[08:20] <lordievader> o/
[08:31] <soee> Riddell: can i grab somewhere this frameworkintegration package mentioned here in last comment https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346849 and just install it to get teh bug fixed?
[08:32] <sitter> 08:31:57 KCI-E :: E: baloo-kf5 source: not-binnmuable-any-depends-any baloo -> baloo-kf5
[08:32] <sitter> :@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
[08:42] <Riddell> soee: apt install frameworkintegration
[08:45] <Riddell> sitter: you changed it back to binary:Version but that's what we started off with
[08:45] <sitter> Riddell: and that was wrong?
[08:46] <sitter> OHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[08:46] <soee> Riddell: yes yes, but the git version mentioned there as it is not in the current frameworks version we have
[08:46] <sitter> Riddell: right this is simply impossible
[08:46] <soee> *whre to grab it
[08:46] <sitter> how about we simply use >= with source:Version?
[08:46] <Riddell> sitter: right,that's the version that gets changed with the rules magic
[08:46] <Riddell> sitter: good enough :)
[08:46] <sitter> or simply hardcode >= 5.9
[08:47] <sitter> actually
[08:47] <sitter> Riddell: >= source:Upstream-Version
[08:49] <sitter> Riddell: backports doesn't need an upload though
[08:50] <sitter> for the purposes of backports the =source:Version relationship I had pushed originally should be good enough (as in:will be installable)
[09:47] <snele> not having working system tray icons for many applications in plasma 5 is just terible
[09:49] <snele> i hope kde devs will reimplement old xembed system tray in time for next kubuntu lts
[09:51] <snele> not having system tray icons for dropbox, viber, steam etc is - disaster 
[09:52] <lordievader> snele: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/06/where-are-my-systray-icons/
[09:52] <snele> lordievader: yes i have read that blog post
[09:52] <alvin> I've seen that link before too :-)
[09:53] <snele> lordievader: most apps will NOT be ported to new systray specification
[09:53] <snele> and we are left with unusable apps without systray icons
[09:53] <lordievader> True, it is unfortunate.
[09:54] <snele> why kde have to be first and break USER experiance? 
[10:05] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:05] <soee> sitter: steam icon is in systray
[10:06] <soee> im not sue about dropbox because im using my own owncloud server
[10:07] <soee> and owncloud icon works with systray
[10:08] <BluesKaj> dropbox icon doesn't work with systemd, the service starts ok , but the icon does not
[10:10] <alvin> soee: are you able to start the ownCloud client minimized?
[10:10] <soee> alvin: no
[10:11] <alvin> Does that have something to do with the systray too? All minimized autostarted programs are in front of me every time I log on.
[10:18] <soee> i think its some mising optionfor a window
[10:21] <sitter> soee: pardon?
[10:21] <soee> sitter: someone mentioned that there is some option like --minimized or something not supported atm. or smth.
[10:22] <sitter> complain to steam? xD
[10:22] <soee> its not about steam, also owncloud and probably some other
[10:23] <sitter> not sure I understand
[10:25] <shadeslayer> sni-qt:i386 ...
[10:25] <sitter> shadeslayer: steam aint qtware methinks
[10:26] <shadeslayer> ohm
[10:26] <sitter> besides sniqt doesn't inject command line options, so that wouldn't be related anyway
[10:26] <shadeslayer> indeed
[10:29] <soee> its hiher level for me atm. so i can't say more about it :)
[10:29] <sitter> without more context I can't say anything about it either :P
[10:29] <alvin> quasselcore --hidewindow is ignored. Well, the --hidewindow part is.
[10:30] <sitter> that'd be a quassel thing though
[10:30] <sitter> Sput: ^
[10:30] <alvin> I meant quasselclient
[10:31] <soee> sitter: if you want to test try to install owncloud clinent
[10:31] <alvin> sitter: You sure? It worked in KDE4. Same goes for KeePassX. There's an option 'start minimized', and it is ignored too.
[10:31] <soee> you will have icon in systray and its window opened
[10:31]  * alvin can confirm that too
[10:31] <alvin> and a complaint about not having a systray
[10:32] <vip> oh, mine owncloud client does not minimize on start too (since ~month)
[10:32] <soee> but there are some infos like here: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=107810 check line with: X-KDE-autostart-phase=2
[10:32] <sitter> soee: well it has a window open because I haven't configured nothing ^^
[10:32] <soee> but this tpic is pretty old
[10:33] <soee> sitter: configured what exactly ? :)
[10:33] <sitter> a server
[10:33] <sitter> form the forum thread I get the idea that its owncloud's default behavior though
[10:33] <soee> sitter: but if you onfigure it and reboot window will me rendred anyway
[10:34] <sitter> only it oculd be worked around by forcing it to get ksystemtray'd via kstart
[10:34] <alvin> No, it starts minimized on 14.10 (with KDE4)
[10:34] <sitter> but since ksystemtray was not ported or something that wouldn't work anymore
[10:34] <soee> yup. in KDE4 was minimized
[10:34] <sitter> I don't see how
[10:34] <sitter> or rather
[10:34] <sitter> it may well be, I don't think its particularly related to plasma that it stopped doing so though
[10:35] <sitter> pull-lp-source: Warning: Distribution data outdated. Please check for an update for distro-info-data. See /usr/share/doc/distro-info-data/README.Debian for details.
[10:35] <sitter> Or specify a distribution.
[10:35] <sitter> Riddell, shadeslayer, ScottK: ^ what does an educated person do about that?
[10:38] <sitter> soee: can you give me a screenshot of the window it would show on start?
[10:38] <shadeslayer> sitter: about distro-info-data ?
[10:38] <shadeslayer> erm
[10:38] <shadeslayer> *update
[10:38] <ScottK> One drives over to Mark's house and insists he pick a name.
[10:39] <shadeslayer> ^
[10:39] <sitter> ah lovely
[10:39] <shadeslayer> Wobbly Windows
[10:39] <shadeslayer> that's what it should be caled
[10:39] <Riddell> ScottK: hard to drive to an island
[10:39] <Riddell> but I have a canoe if you want
[10:39] <sitter> Wanking Wanker
[10:41] <shadeslayer> Canoeing across the atlantic might be hard
[10:41] <ahoneybun> sitter: that should be the name of the W release lol
[10:47] <sitter> alvin, soee: owncloud client version has changed between 14.10 and 15.04 and this really seems more like a bug in the client than plasma
[10:52] <ahoneybun> sitter: do you know where that tabing windows feature is?
[10:52] <ahoneybun> you used to be able to right click windows titles and have a way to "tab" them together in one window
[10:53] <sitter> might have been dropped
[10:53] <sitter> I seeem to recall having had a conversation about kwin features that were written but aren't maintained and needed to be dropped because of that
[10:53] <ahoneybun> oh thats sad
[10:53] <ahoneybun> but understandable
[10:54] <sitter> ahoneybun: right click window decoration -> settings -> advanced -> automatically group similar windows?
[10:54] <ahoneybun> I saw that not sure if it did anything on my machine though
[10:55] <sitter> well no clue. perhaps ask on kde forums
[10:56] <ahoneybun> thanks sitter
[11:11] <tnbp> hi, is anyone here using bumblebee AND kde frameworks 5?
[11:12] <alvin> I was also looking for that tabbing feature. Couldn't find it anymore. And that plasma netbook modus? Also gone?
[11:12] <tnbp> hi, is anyone here using bumblebee AND kde frameworks 5?
[11:20] <soee> tnbp: nvidia-prime
[11:21] <tnbp> soee: i think it would have to be bumblebee
[11:22] <tnbp> soee: but thank you
[11:24] <BluesKaj> tnbp:  like I said earlier in #kde, perhaps you should ask in  #opensuse-devel
[11:24] <tnbp> BluesKaj: hello again :D
[11:25] <BluesKaj> tnbp: aka #opensuse-factory
[11:26] <tnbp> BluesKaj: i couldn't find the devel channel at first, gonna ask there now
[11:26] <BluesKaj> ok tnbp, good 
[11:29] <sitter> kubotu_: order fishnchips
[11:29]  * kubotu_ slides fishnchips down the bar to sitter
[11:29] <sitter> mh
[11:29] <sitter> kubotu_: nick kubotu
[11:41] <soee_> Riddell: reds in apps gone, but this packages are marked to be removed: calligra-libs karbon libktpotrprivate8 libmarblewidget20
[11:49] <Riddell> soee_: thanks for keeping an eye on it :)
[11:49] <Riddell> soee_: I just uploaded callige calligra_2.9.2-0ubuntu3~ubuntu14.10~ppa1_source.changes so that'll use the new libmarblewidget and fix that, but I guess it'll take some hours to compile
[11:49] <Riddell> soee_: oh can you install digikam ok now?
[11:50] <soee_> Riddell: i have it installed and dont see update for it
[11:58] <soee> Riddell: what about this 2 kdepim pckages that are red https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-stage2/+packages ?
[12:04] <Riddell> soee: well spotted, updating
[12:05] <BluesKaj> also can't run more than one instance of kate at a time, hope this bug is fixed soon
[12:18] <tron71> Hi
[12:18] <tron71> I'm facing this very annoying bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343673
[12:19] <tron71> I see that it is fixed in kde applications 15.04
[12:19] <tron71> are there any plans to provide a version of kde applications 15.04 for Kubuntu?
[12:19] <tron71> because that bug makes Kate almost impossible to use...
[12:19] <tron71> it's usable only with a single file ;)
[12:19] <BluesKaj> it's not fixed on my install though 
[12:19] <tron71> The bug is also present in the live version of kubuntu 15.04
[12:20] <tron71> and in my current Kubuntu 15.04, the KDE applications are still old if I understand correctly:
[12:20] <tron71> kde-baseapps-bin 4:14.12.3-0ubuntu3
[12:22] <Riddell> tron71: apps 15.04 is in testing now http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_15.04.0_vivid.html
[12:22] <soee> tron71: devs are working on 15.04 apps, should be ready sson i thinl
[12:22] <soee> Riddell: still reds
[12:22] <Riddell> soee: that's only because you pointed out the problems :)
[12:23] <Riddell> maybe if nobody tested it we wouldn't have any reds :)
[12:23] <soee> ~.~
[12:23] <Riddell> is a build failure really a build failure if nobody tests it?
[12:25] <sgclark> oh kdepim...
[12:25] <mparillo> tron71: > it's usable only with a single file ;) I know you are asking for two INSTANCES of kate, but I have had multiple files open in multiple tabs in a single instance of kate.
[12:26] <tron71> mparillo: I'm asking something different: I'd like to have multiple files open in multiple tabs, in a single instance, but this bugs prevents it
[12:27] <tron71> as soon as you have such two tabs, the Dolphin instance you used for opening them freezes, until you close Kate (or at least, you close the second Kate tab)
[12:28] <mparillo> But if you open the files from Kate instead of Dolphin, then is Dolphin frozen?
[12:29] <mparillo> Not saying it isn't a bug, of course.
[12:30] <tron71> No: it freezes only if you open two files from Dolphin... that's what I usually do every day ;)
[12:31] <tron71> And it's not only Dolphin: the same happens if you open two files from KRunner
[12:31] <tron71> after they're open in Kate, KRunner does not show up anymore, until you close Kate
[12:31] <KDDA> anyone having intermitant problems shutting down in 15.04?
[12:32] <tron71> that's why I'm saying that's a rather blocking bug :)
[12:37] <mparillo> When I use the File Open dialog from kate (which looks a whole lot like dolphin), I can select several files, and open them all at once, and it seems usable. I understand it is not your workflow. (https://xkcd.com/1172/) but at least that one is already fixed upstream.
[12:37] <BluesKaj> mparillo:  ok rthanks for the tip abnout the tabs in kate, bu tin my setupthere aren't any real tabs like a browser, just titles 
[12:40] <tron71> mparillo: I don't think it's only my workflow: as I said, suppose you have opened a file in Kate (e.g., with File Open dialog), then you search for a file in KRunner (or click on a file in Dolphin), it will open in Kate, and this will freeze the original application...
[12:41] <tron71> it looks like the original application has a bug...
[12:41] <tron71> it's not about workflow ;)
[12:41] <tron71> it's about preventing real usability of the DE
[12:44] <BluesKaj> tron71:  haveupgraded to plasma 5.3, because the krunner works fine here with both kate and dolphin open 
[12:44] <tron71> have you just upgraded?
[12:44] <BluesKaj> have you upgraded that is 
[12:44] <tron71> I've upgraded yesterday evening (on another computer which I don't have right one) and the bug was still there
[12:45] <BluesKaj>  upgraded 2 days ago to plasma 5.3 
[12:45] <tron71> on the computer you're writing from?
[12:45] <BluesKaj> yes
[12:45] <tron71> and if you open two files from Dolphin, then Dolphin won't freeze?
[12:46] <tron71> (and the two files are open in the very same Kate instance)
[12:47] <BluesKaj> ok , i see your bug now ...I have the same one, dolphin freezes trying to open 2 text files 
[12:49] <BluesKaj> as mparillo suggested try opening them in kate instead , I managed to open 4 without any trouble
[12:50] <tron71> yes, me too, but as I said above, this decreases the workbench usability, as soon as you use KRunner, or click on a text file from the file manager...
[12:50] <tron71> I don't think this is only *my* workflow :)
[12:51] <tron71> what I love of KRunner (and in particular of the current Baloo) is that I can quickly (really quickly) open files...
[12:52] <BluesKaj> well I'm not on the job, so being a home user several open text  files isn't needed very uften
[12:52] <tron71> but this bug makes such usability go away...
[12:52] <tron71> I'm a developer, and this is a huge usability drawback :)
[13:02] <tron71> Riddell: as you said, devs are working on KDE applications 15.04; when they are ready, will they be available only with a backport ppa?
[13:03] <tron71> in any case, will this be announced on the kubuntu website, or is there another feed to look at to get updates about that?
[13:04] <Riddell> tron71: yes and yes
[13:04] <tron71> OK, then I'll keep my eyes on the kubuntu website :)
[13:05] <tron71> any estimation of time?
[13:16] <alvin> Guys, would you provide a backport of libssh too if that fixes bug #1450085 ?
[13:17] <alvin> kio_sftp is broken in 15.04 and I'm not sure if using rsa as a workaround can be considered secure.
[13:20] <shadeslayer> alvin: possibly, but would go into backports and not in the regular repo
[13:20] <shadeslayer> since it seems like it introduces new features
[13:21] <BluesKaj> it will also be nice once the plasma 4 dependent apps like like dolphin are switched over to plasma 5 and when these apps' colour and font settings appear set properly with root permissions and not the defaults, which atm can't be changed 
[13:23] <alvin> I've looked for the changelog https://www.libssh.org/2014/12/19/libssh-0-6-4-security-and-bugfix-release/ There are indeed 3 new features including ECDSA support which Dolphin needs here.
[13:23] <shadeslayer> right
[13:24] <shadeslayer> alvin: so it'll have to go into the backports repo
[13:24] <shadeslayer> which people have to enable manually and what not
[13:24] <ScottK> I don't think ECDSA is something anyone needs.
[13:25] <alvin> Fine by me. I don't know the rules here. The CVE doesn't get it accepted to ubuntu-security?
[13:25] <ScottK> In fact, there are some curves that are known to be intentionally cryptographically weak.
[13:25] <ScottK> We'll fix the CVE.
[13:25] <alvin> ScottK: The trouble is that it's ssh's default. When you make a normal ssh connection, you can't use kio_sftp anymore afterwards.
[13:26] <ScottK> Only if you have an ECDSA key.
[13:26] <alvin> Yes, but who doesn't? It's the default.
[13:29] <ScottK> BTW, the CVE is fixed in all supported Ubuntu releases: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2014/CVE-2014-8132.html
[13:32] <alvin> I see. It is indeed already fixed. Ok, backports it should be then.
[13:33] <shadeslayer> actually
[13:33] <shadeslayer> I'm not sure how backporting would proceed here
[13:33] <shadeslayer> we don't have W yet
[13:34] <shadeslayer> can you still file requests for backports when the next series hasn't updated the package?
[13:34] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Yes.
[13:34] <shadeslayer> okay
[13:34] <shadeslayer> alvin: request-backport libssh < plz run that 
[13:35] <shadeslayer> ah, no -
[13:36] <alvin> no?
[13:37] <ScottK> alvin: Looking at man ssh_config under HostKeyAlgorithms, it seems to me that the only time it might be a problem is if a server only had ECDSA keys and I think that would be a mistake on their part.
[13:37] <ScottK> I have an ECDSA key, but it's actually rarely used.
[13:38] <alvin> Strange, I have several: grep ecdsa .ssh/known_hosts | wc -l  gives me 94
[13:38] <alvin> and 92 rsa entries, but those might be older
[13:39] <alvin> I'm sure that ECDSA is the default for Ubuntu too.
[13:39] <shadeslayer> I have 79
[13:39] <ScottK> Mine says 30 for ECDSA and 113 for RSA.
[13:41] <ScottK> alvin: If by default, you mean first in the list of HostKeyAlgorithms, that's true, but it's just first.  Other algorithms will be tried.  The man page reference I gave a little bit ago mentions it.
[13:43] <alvin> Yes, that's what I meant by default. I don't know the background for that decision. I only see that I can't use Dolphin unless I erase those entries from my .ssh/known_hosts file and reconnect using Dolphin first.
[13:44] <ScottK> That sounds like kio_ssh not handling finding the right algorithm correctly.
[13:51] <alvin> Indeed
[14:06] <alvin> shadeslayer: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10952761/ Is this supposed to happen?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:06] <shadeslayer> nope
[14:07] <ScottK> Probably because there's no devel release right now.
[14:07] <shadeslayer> probably
[14:07] <ScottK> alvin: In order to backport libssh, you'd have to test all the users of the lib.reverse-depends -b libssh-dev for a list.
[14:12] <alvin> ok. Waiting for Wondering Weasel
[14:14] <BluesKaj> or wacky wombat :)
[14:14] <Riddell> soee: you have problem with gtk apps in systray?
[14:14] <Riddell> or alvin?
[14:15] <alvin> Not me. My problem is with Qt apps (keepassx, owncloud-client and quasselclient in my case) Those do not start minimized.
[14:15] <alvin> (Even if configured to start minimized I should add.)
[14:15] <Riddell> alvin: using what way to start them minimised?
[14:16] <alvin> In KeePassX: Settings -> Start minimized, and quasselclient --hidewindow. owncloud-client should start minimized by default.
[14:17] <alvin> Starting them all from System Settings -> Startup and Shutdown -> Desktop file
[14:17] <Riddell> alvin: and do they show in the systray at all?
[14:17] <alvin> Yes, they do
[14:18] <alvin> I should add that this problem is only at login. When you start 'quasselclient --hidewindow' from the command line, it actually starts minimized.
[14:19] <alvin> Checking... Yes. owncloud starts minimized too. But not at log on.
[14:20] <alvin> and same goes for KeePassX when configured to do so. This is only when configuring Autostart
[14:21] <alvin> (might nog be related. If you're in 'kchmshell5 autostart', add a Script file and set that script file to 'startup' (not pre-KDE startup), then that setting will be gone. Check it by adding a script, closing the window and opening kcmshell5 autostart again)
[14:32] <soee> Riddell: hard to say, i do not use a lot GTK apps
[14:37] <Riddell> 15:25 < Riddell> sgclark: why is e.g. this yellow? https://build.kde.org/view/Plasma5%20stable-kf5-qt5/job/kde-cli-tools%20Plasma-5.3%20stable-kf5-qt5/4/console
[14:37] <Riddell> 15:24 < Riddell> sgclark: for plasma releases I usually check everything is built before I make tars, is this the new url for me to use? https://build.kde.org/view/Plasma5%20stable-kf5-qt5/
[14:37] <Riddell> sgclark: my questions ↑ :)
[14:37] <sgclark> Riddell: ok, yeah it seems there are some probelms with tests, I am sorting that now
[14:38] <sgclark> Riddell: yeah that is the right view
[14:40] <sgclark> Riddell: that particular one is yellow because it failed a test: https://build.kde.org/job/kde-cli-tools%20Plasma-5.3%20stable-kf5-qt5/PLATFORM=Linux,compiler=gcc/3/testReport/
[14:57] <Riddell> sgclark: you can ignore Tazmain, he's just a user who doesn't realised he's wandered into a meeting
[14:57] <sgclark> oh ok lol
[15:34] <soee> calligra and kdepim failed to build
[15:52] <Riddell> soee: meh
[15:53] <soee> ;)
[16:20]  * Riddell blogs http://jriddell.org/2015/04/30/plasma-5-4-kicked-off/
[16:25] <genii> oh, kicked not ticked
[17:04] <mparillo> I hope i am not the only Plasma 5.4 tester who primarily uses VMware.
[17:05] <tsdgeos> there's no Plasma 5.4 yet, is there?
[17:15] <mparillo> It sounded as if they were planning in #plasma.
[17:24] <Darkwing> There a 5.3 ppa? 
[17:32] <sebas> Yes
[18:10] <mparillo> Darkwing: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5.3
[18:33] <_Groo_> hi guys
[18:33] <_Groo_> i upgraded from 5.3.0 backports to kubuntu-ci
[18:33] <_Groo_> installed bluez-qt
[18:34] <_Groo_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/el9TyTto
[18:34] <_Groo_> but yet, i still dont have any bluetooth support in either kcm or panel
[18:34] <_Groo_> am i missing something?
[18:36] <_Groo_> i do have the bluetooth support for kcm4, but not in 5 :(
[19:51] <_Groo_> Riddell: ping