[00:24] <pandark> hi
[00:25] <pandark> somone can explein me why plasma5 is full of bugs ?
[00:38] <juan__> hi
[00:38] <VTREIS> hi
[00:44] <sithlord48> DANtheBEASTman: any reason to not upgrade to 15.04?
[00:49] <yzm> hello
[00:50] <yzm> 11
[00:51] <juan__> anyone knows how to recover "open console here" option in dolphin?
[00:51] <juan__> i'm using Kubuntu 15.04
[00:51] <sithlord48> juan__:  press F4?
[00:52] <juan__> :O!!!!
[00:52] <juan__> thanks :D
[00:53] <sithlord48> most filebrowsers on linux have a similar option usually F4
[00:54] <pandark> it's possible to use different desktop for eather multidesktop ?
[00:54] <pandark> in plasma5
[00:54] <pandark> kubuntu 15.04
[00:54] <sithlord48> pandark:  that i don't know i just span my desktop to both my monitors
[00:56] <pandark> this option is in kde5
[00:56] <sithlord48> and juan__ to answer your question that was most likley a service menu . you can get more services menus from within dolphin  settings->configure dolphin -> services -> download new services
[00:56] <pandark> not in kde5
[00:56] <yzm> 请问升级15.04之后会不会出现现有的有线网卡无法驱动的问题？
[00:56] <sithlord48> sorry yzm i don't speak that language
[00:57] <pandark> go google translate
[00:57] <sithlord48> pandark:  its posible taht it has not been added in kde5
[00:57] <pandark> ok sithlord48
[00:57] <sithlord48> where was that option in kde4?
[00:57] <juan__> thank you sithlord48 :D
[00:57] <sithlord48> juan__:  you are welcome
[00:57] <cyclick> I upgraded to 15.04 and my shorcuts in the bottom panel along with my keyboard languages disappeared.... is that a bug?
[00:57] <pandark> i dont remember
[00:57] <pandark> in desktop behevior probaly
[00:58] <sithlord48> cyclick:  no kde5 has a different config files  then kde4
[00:59] <sithlord48> cyclick:  you will most likley have to reconfigure your plasma and some other kde releated parts.
[01:00] <cyclick> ok thanks sithlord48, do you happen to know how I can re-add my keyboard languages next to the systray? I can't find it
[01:01] <sithlord48> cyclick:  system settings _> input Devices -> keyboard -> Layouts?
[01:02] <sithlord48> cyclick:  you might also have to add a widget maybe not ported to plasma5 yet . or it could just show up in systray area
[01:03] <cyclick> got it, thanks sithlord48
[01:03] <sithlord48> pandark:  i think this setting was in the Workspaces part of Desktop Behavior? you maybe want to ask in #kde-dev if that is supported in plasma5
[01:03] <sithlord48> cyclick:  you welcome
[01:05] <pandark> ok thank you sithlord48
[01:05] <yzm> 15.04 Ethernet card driver can not compatible with Qualcomm Atheros AR8132 Fast Ethernet?
[01:06] <cyclick> I wonder why the konsole icon in the taskbar is now gray instead of black, that does not make much sense
[01:06] <sithlord48> cyclick:  new icon theme you can change that back to oxygen iirc
[01:08] <cyclick> sithlord48: great, I didn't remember that a theme changed app icons too, thanks
[01:09] <sithlord48> yzm:  that should work you need the driver alx  (quick searching online)
[01:34] <gunndawg> Are there any 3rd party VOIP programs that can utilize your skype login and contacts? I cant seem to figure out how to adjust the font size on the Kubuntu version of Skype
[01:35] <Etriaph> gunndawg: Skype is Skype, you should contact them about how to get it done.
[01:35] <gunndawg> Etriaph: I doubt they're going to take time for that. Figured it was a good enough question for here
[01:36] <gunndawg> Facebook is Facebook, MSN is MSN, ICQ is ICQ but Pidgin still did a 3rd party program to allow you to access all your contacts within those programs. I figured maybe there was a 3rd party Skype that does the same thing
[01:39] <Dragnslcr> gunndawg: Kopete has an option to add a Skype account, but I've never used it for Skype, so I can't say how well it works.
[01:39] <Etriaph> When I said Skype was Skype, you need to understand that Kubuntu has no way to affect the quality, configurability or distribution of that software.  Skype can help you if you email them about it I'm sure.  They release a version for Linux, I'm assuming they're supporting it too.
[01:39] <gunndawg> Dragnslcr: I'll take a look. Thanks!
[01:40] <gunndawg> Etriaph: Understood. Thank you.
[01:41] <Etriaph> sithlord48: What was the question you had?
[01:42] <sithlord48> Etriaph:  where can i put my splash screen for plasma5? used to be ~/.kde/share/apps/ksplash/themes or something like that
[01:43] <Etriaph> Oh, well, is it built for plasma 5?
[01:43] <sithlord48> Etriaph:  its QML splash
[01:43] <Etriaph> sithlord48: Let me do some digging.
[01:43] <Etriaph> sithlord48: Please hold.
[01:43] <sithlord48> Etriaph:  cool thanks
[01:50] <blubberbop> pandark: I know the feeling, at kubuntu 10.xx I could install alphas and it would work reasonably stable, ever since 14.04, if I install the final release version, I'm already happy when my machine boots up
[01:50] <blubberbop> pandark: I think the best option is to not install the latest version until like at least one month after the release when all the major bugs are fixed
[01:50] <blubberbop> pandark: and don't do upgrade
[01:51] <blubberbop> Anybody who knows how I can restart the plasma desktop? It crashed, I see no plasma objects, just the desktop background and the windows... In kde4 I could run plasma-desktop and it would restart, but how in kde5?
[01:51] <Etriaph> sithlord48: Look in /usr/share/ksplash/Themes/
[01:52] <Etriaph> sithlord48: My 15.04 setup has three themes in there, QML themes.
[01:53] <sithlord48> Etriaph: those are kde4
[01:53] <sithlord48> i don't see any of them in my system settings nor do i see the breeze one in that directory..
[01:54] <Etriaph> Hmm.
[01:54] <sithlord48> Etriaph:  i think i have answered my own question
[01:54] <Etriaph> Oh?
[01:54] <sithlord48> /usr/share/plasma/look-and-feel/
[01:55] <sithlord48> seams i need to make a desktop theme.
[01:56] <Etriaph> Oh, it's tied to the plasma theme?
[01:56] <Etriaph> That makes sense, though, wrt continuity.
[01:57] <sithlord48> i guess its an over all one system settings -> workspace theme -> look and feel
[01:57] <Etriaph> You could probably default the workspace theme to another.
[01:57] <Etriaph> With a symbolic link or something.
[01:58] <sithlord48> that is ok i can just copy it and see if i can get it working correctly
[01:58] <Etriaph> Or make a brand new desktop theme and put it on kde-look :D
[01:58] <sithlord48> i would but the one i plan to make has images of a non free nature
[02:00] <valorie> pandark: I upgraded to the beta, and have had a great experience
[02:01] <valorie> of course there are bugs; that's why "beta"
[02:01] <valorie> and I reported them, and most are fixed now
[02:01] <valorie> "blubberbop" was talking nonsense
[02:02] <sithlord48> what beta software can have bugs.. ????!!
[02:02] <valorie> heh
[02:03] <sithlord48> i guess if you don't know about how software is developed maybe?
[02:03] <valorie> I'm not asserting that the release was bug-free
[02:03] <sithlord48> what release is?
[02:03] <valorie> only that I've had a good experience
[02:03] <valorie> 14.04 was so good it was boring
[02:03] <gunndawg> valorie: I went back to 14.04
[02:04] <sithlord48> seams every time i release i find something new lol
[02:04] <gunndawg> valorie: I was having Plasma crash at least twice an hour, randomly not even booting at all (just a black screen), etc, etc. Got tired of it, went back to 14.04
[02:04] <valorie> for those who prefer Plasma 4, or need a lot of stability, that's why we have LTS
[02:04] <valorie> and it's supported for 5 years
[02:05] <valorie> gunndawg: are you using nvidia?
[02:05] <gunndawg> valorie: Yes
[02:05] <Etriaph> I've had nothing but a good experience so far.  The one bug that's been in dolphin for a while is still getting me down, but other than that.
[02:05] <sithlord48> yeah ms.sith made me put 14.04 back on her laptop.. it was laggy
[02:05] <valorie> seems like most of the problems reported come down to nvidia
[02:05] <gunndawg> valorie: Then I suppose I fell under that same umbrella then. I'll give it time and try it again. For now 14.04 runs like a dream
[02:06] <sithlord48> i have had good results on my other machines. they are all amd. hers in intel gpu
[02:06] <valorie> it is a pity dolphin isn't ported yet, I agree
[02:06] <Etriaph> I have an Nvidia 750 GTX, no issues.
[02:06] <sithlord48> yeah dolphin is gonna be very nice when it makes it to KF5
[02:06] <Etriaph> valorie: Still can't save a place!  :(
[02:06] <valorie> the next applications release will probably fix that
[02:06]  * Etriaph eagerly awaits it.
[02:06] <valorie> I do miss that feature, yes
[02:06] <gunndawg> Etriaph: I'm running an Nvidia 760GTX and like I said sometimes I would boot and only a black screen and cursor, nothing else. Othertimes plasma would just crash, flash the screen and get the bug splat prompt. Once in a while would be fine, but this was happening hourly
[02:07] <valorie> I've not checked the bug reports about that though
[02:07] <valorie> have you, Etriaph?
[02:07] <Etriaph> valorie: It's a low-priority but in launchpad.
[02:07] <valorie> gunndawg: that sounds grim
[02:07] <Etriaph> s/but/bug
[02:07] <Etriaph> And it's confirmed and outstanding
[02:07] <Etriaph> But Dolphin in this release is still KDE4
[02:07] <valorie> well, I would check bko - it isn't a Kubuntu problem
[02:07] <valorie> it is a KDE problem
[02:07] <Etriaph> I'm assuming it's affecting those running Plasma 4 still
[02:07] <gunndawg> valorie: No big deal. I'm happy on 14.04 for the moment and will give 15.04 time to mature and try it again :)
[02:08] <valorie> right
[02:08] <valorie> we have lots of time before the next LTS to polish, polish, polish
[02:08] <gunndawg> indeed
[02:08] <valorie> help is always welcome
[02:08] <sithlord48> i have a strange problem with gwenview right now.. when i open an image it opens but the title bar for gwen view spans the entire screen
[02:09] <gunndawg> valorie: infact if this clues you into anything. One thing that would crash plama is simply dragging a program icon to the panel menu to create a shortcut. 100% of the time, bug splat
[02:09] <Etriaph> valorie: Let me see if bko has a bug for this.
[02:09] <valorie> sithlord48: unfortunately I do not see a gwenview chan, so you might check in #kde-devel
[02:10] <valorie> when the europeans are awake
[02:10] <valorie> gunndawg: that isn't supported in Plasma 5
[02:11] <gunndawg> valorie: define "supported" because the icons would show up in the panel, only after plasma5 crashed first
[02:11] <valorie> it's sort of hard to figure out, but you right-click on the icon/tab in the panel, and say "use launcher" or some such
[02:11] <gunndawg> so drag icon to panel, let Plasma5 crash, once its back up, icon is there as intended
[02:11] <valorie> lol
[02:11] <valorie> bizarre
[02:12] <valorie> it never crashes with the right-click method
[02:12] <valorie> but it took me awhile to figure it out
[02:12] <gunndawg> valorie: I was never aware of a right-click method. I'll try it once I am brave enough to try 15.04 again
[02:12] <valorie> gunndawg: I think it's new
[02:12] <valorie> I've not seen it before either
[02:12] <gunndawg> valorie: fair enough
[02:14] <Etriaph> Oh, I guess that's never been logged on bko.
[02:14] <Etriaph> Doing that now.
[02:14] <pandark> ok thanks valorie  blubber
[02:14] <valorie> Etriaph: be sure to link your report to the launchpad one
[02:15] <valorie> bizarre that it's not on bko
[02:16] <valorie> pandark: when you do run across bugs, *please* report them
[02:16] <valorie> we rely on our faithful users to contribute that way
[02:17] <gunndawg> valorie: as I brought up before. I'd be happy to report bugs but too often its not a bug but my own misunderstanding, heh
[02:17] <valorie> well, that's why it's good to chew them over in here
[02:17] <gunndawg> as I do :)
[02:18] <valorie> or even in #kubuntu-devel, if they are tricky
[02:18] <valorie> sometimes hard to know what packagename to file them against
[02:22] <sithlord48> cool it worked :D
[02:23] <Etriaph> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346928
[02:23] <Etriaph> Seem simple enough as a bug description?
[02:28] <Etriaph> bbiab
[02:29] <valorie> Etriaph: I will test, and confirm there
[02:29] <valorie> thank you
[02:40] <Etriaph> np
[02:41] <MobileRoey> hi!!
[03:15] <MobileRoey> Hi
[03:15] <MobileRoey> with SDDM ,
[03:16] <MobileRoey>  I get this screen that lets me specify the environment (KDE, XFCE ,FVWM, etc.) but there's no username/password field
[03:16] <MobileRoey> How do I resolve this?
[03:17] <Etriaph> The user list is visual
[03:17] <Etriaph> You should be able to click the user you want to login as.
[03:17] <Etriaph> Oh, not online.
[06:21] <thelionroars> Wallet problems after upgrade to 15.04 :( I can open the wallet so I know I am using the correct password, but I keep getting an error 'possible incorrect password' when trying to use the wizard to transfer to the new plasma version. I had no problems at all using the wizard on updating my other device. If anyone can suggest a solution please feel free to highlight me. Cheers
[06:24] <stdin[]> Hallo, does anyone know of a way to toggle font anti aliasing without opening systemsettings again and again
[06:26] <stdin[]> where's that config stored? could make a little script to toggle the value
[06:33] <N3X15> thelionroars, there are lots of issues with 15.04.  You're best off just filing a bug report.
[06:34] <thelionroars> ok. In the meantime I'll see if I can recover the passwords from the wallet manually using the interface
[06:35] <N3X15> Make a backup, just in case.
[06:38] <thelionroars> good thinking 99
[07:20] <alvin> So, the systray issues. Will they be resolved, or do we report each appliation separately? (In this case I start several applications automatically at login. KeepassX, owncloud-client and quasselclient. All aplications are set to start minimized. None do since the update to plasma5. Bug in plasma5 or in every separate application?)
[07:20] <N3X15> alvin, likely the former.  File a bug report.
[07:21] <N3X15> I know KeePass, for one, uses GTK, and it's probably the GTK support in KDE screwing up
[07:23] <alvin> N3X15: No, it's KeePassX. Doesn't it use Qt?
[07:24] <alvin> yes, depends libqtcore4
[07:24] <N3X15> Ah, I use KeePass2.
[07:25] <alvin> I'm waiting patiently for KeePassX 2.0 :-)
[07:41] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:44] <hyper_ch> lordievader: looks like it... sun is coming out
[07:46] <keithzg> Well damn, that's annoying. Upgraded one of my desktops to 15.04, now I no longer have VTs. But systemctl --failed claims nothing's gone wrong, so I'm at a bit of a loss.
[07:48] <hyper_ch> VTs?
[07:49] <lordievader> Virtual Terminal, TTY ;)
[07:50] <hyper_ch> you mean like ctrl-shift-F2?
[07:50] <keithzg> more like ctrl-alt-F#, but yeah
[07:51] <hyper_ch> works fine
[07:51] <hyper_ch> well, F7 will take you to teh normal gui
[07:51] <keithzg> Well I wasn't expecting it was *universal*, hell they still work on my laptop also running 15.04.
[07:51] <keithzg> But ctl+alt+F1 through F6 all just gets to a blank screen for me now on my desktop.
[07:52]  * hyper_ch thinks you're doing it wrong
[07:52] <keithzg> heh
[07:52] <hyper_ch> tried rebooting after upgrading?
[07:53] <hyper_ch> also, my annoying bug list for 15.04 has grown to 15 meanwhile
[07:53] <keithzg> I've rebooted more than once at this point, in part because of this, in part because I installed fglrx-update because the standard fglrx was now getting *really* bad performance in The Talos Principle compared to 14.10.
[07:53] <hyper_ch> I don't even know what gflrx is good for
[07:53] <keithzg> fglrx is the AMD proprietary drivers.
[07:54] <keithzg> So, good for gaming if you have a modern AMD graphics card, is what it's good for.
[07:54] <hyper_ch> ah.... haven't used AMD for a long time
[07:56] <keithzg> I strongly suspect the problem is, or is at least involved with, systemd
[07:56] <alvin> blank screen on TTY's? Wouldn't that be missing KMS support?
[07:56] <keithzg> since VTs are now spawned on-demand when running under systemd
[07:57] <keithzg> alvin: Yeah, maybe. Weird though, since again, it worked fine under 14.10. It's not like my card is new enough to be that unsuported (it's 3 years or so old now)
[07:58] <alvin> Lol, yes. Having an 'older' card usually works better. I took my nVidia card out of my desktop, because I needed to boot twice every time (grub -> blank screen, reboot -> grub, normal boot)
[07:59] <alvin> Have you tried the open source driver? They are usually better at this sort of thing.
[07:59] <keithzg> alvin: Not a valid option, it doesn't perform nearly well enough yet with my card to play modern games.
[07:59] <keithzg> And, again, all this worked fine in 14.10 :(
[08:00] <alvin> Fair enough. That's usually the case.
[08:01] <alvin> I don't use AMD because of their bad BSD support, but isn't the situation in Linux getting better? For the open source driver I mean.
[08:02] <keithzg> Oh, indeed, the open source driver is actually very solid these days.
[08:02] <keithzg> The only place it lags behind is performance.
[08:02] <keithzg> And with truly older cards that's no longer even the case AFAIK.
[08:03] <keithzg> It's one of the reasons I went with AMD for this build; I figure by the time AMD's official support starts to flag, or maybe well before then, the open source driver will have caught up.
[08:03] <keithzg> And it's always WAY less hassle to go with the non-binary-blob drivers.
[08:07] <keithzg> So what's the officially recommended way these days of disabling the fancy boot animations and just getting the actual text?
[08:08] <lordievader> keithzg: Removing "splash quiet" doesn't work?
[08:11] <keithzg> lordievader: Oh, don't get me wrong, that's exactly what I was going to go for. Just wasn't sure if removing those from /etc/default/grub was still the main recommended way, it's been so long since I last did so
[08:12] <keithzg> Nice to know some things haven't changed :)
[08:12] <yossarianuk> well - reinstalled system - 15.04 + 5.3 PPA (with nvidia) this time absolutely fine.
[08:13] <keithzg> Uhhh . . . hmm. Now if I click on "restart" or "shut down" all I get is visual glitches, no actual buttons to choose from to confirm :(
[08:14] <keithzg> At least the 30s timeout eventually kicks in. But that's . . . not convenient!
[08:14] <keithzg> (to be specific: the screen blurs out and dims, except for the central area where the dialog is supposed to be, but no dialog appears)
[08:14] <alvin> yes, removing 'splash' is still valid
[08:15] <alvin> keithzg: Maybe you can find something in the new logs. journalctl
[08:15] <soee> good morning
[08:16] <cup`ocoffee> Good morning :)
[08:16] <cup`ocoffee> I just had a problem on kde.org. I was not able to identify myself at userbase.kde.org with my openid from launchpad/ubuntu. Is that a known issue?
[08:17] <keithzg> alvin: Yeah, the systemd journal was my next stop, first was confirming to myself that the opensource drivers work. And indeed, switching to them my VTs come back. So now, back to the proprietary drivers and to see what the logs say...
[08:18] <alvin> Good old open source :-)
[08:18] <yossarianuk> keithzg: did you get this after installing 5.3 on nvidia  h/w?
[08:19] <yossarianuk> the problem with using the opensource nvidia drivers is it cuts openGL framerates by about 80%...
[08:20] <yossarianuk> seems silly to spend good money on a card then unclock it by 80%..
[08:20] <keithzg> yossarianuk: Got no nvidia HW left these days, got a bit pissed off with their strategy. I'm all Intel and AMD for graphics now.
[08:20] <yossarianuk> also all free drivers lack opengl4.x support - meaning you simply cannot play the latest steam games.
[08:21] <keithzg> AMD seems to get glitchy for me every second dist upgrade; NVIDIA would outright break for me (as in, no X11 at all) in some new way every single time :P
[08:21] <yossarianuk> keithzg: ok - just sounded exactly the same as I had the day before which is why I asked.
[08:21] <keithzg> yossarianuk: Yeah, that's unfortunately why I'm stuck with fglrx, been playing The Talos Principle and Dying Light, which are both very demanding games.
[08:22] <yossarianuk> if you want good FPS in games for a not insane price you still need nvidia at the min unfortuntely
[08:22] <yossarianuk> and their annoying driver.
[08:22] <keithzg> Well, I got these cards (actually have them in two PCs) back about 3 years ago or so, and at the time in the mid-range it was solidly in AMD's favour.
[08:22] <keithzg> They do seem to trade off every generation or two.
[08:23] <keithzg> And considering how impossible NVIDIA has been making things for nouveau lately, I'm inclined to pay the premium to know I can reliably fall back on the FOSS drivers. But that is admittedly a bit just ideological.
[08:25]  * keithzg is the kind of guy whose favourite podcast is Free As In Freedom, heh
[08:25] <lordievader> The Radeon opensource driver is rather nice. If you don't play games.
[08:26]  * keithzg laments how much slower systemd is to boot than upstart
[08:27] <lordievader> It does?
[08:27] <lordievader> Here it is the same or faster for as far as I know.
[08:28] <keithzg> Well, in every system I've upgraded to 15.04 it does, yeah. My laptop for example (Chromebook Pixel, first gen) 15.04 starts up nearly instantaneously if I choose upstart, but takes an appreciable amount of time if I leave it at the default of using systemd.
[08:29] <keithzg> And this desktop it's definitely *far* slower than it was before (and it's an i7 3770K, so it's not like it's slow hardware; it previously booted near instantaneously too, now is more like 20 seconds)
[08:29] <lordievader> keithzg: systemd-analyze and 'systemd-analyze blame' ;)
[08:30] <keithzg> lordievader: But I thought it was all supposed to Just Work :P
[08:30] <keithzg> (thanks, I'll check that out. But seriously, systemd really doesn't feel as mature as upstart yet.)
[08:30] <lordievader> It works, doesn't it?
[08:31] <lordievader> Isn't systemd allmost as old as upstart?
[08:31] <lordievader> Upstart is quite young itself ;)
[08:31] <keithzg> Whoa, it took a total of 50 seconds? Yikes.
[08:31] <keithzg> There is no way an i7 3770K should take that long . . . yeesh.
[08:32] <keithzg> lordievader: Oh, they are indeed about the same age. But systemd aims to do FAR more, so is taking longer to mature.
[08:32] <keithzg> There's a reason Google went for, and is sticking with, upstart for ChromeOS.
[08:32] <lordievader> Fair enough.
[08:33] <thelionroars> my desktop is also a 3770k, haven't experienced any slowness starting but I've definitely had occasional freezes where nothing much happens
[08:34] <lordievader> keithzg: Do you run some kind of luks/lvm setup?
[08:34] <thelionroars> the huge text/icons/windows with proprietary Nvidia driver are also annoying as hell
[08:35] <keithzg> lordievader: Nopes, just a very bog standard single ext4 partition.
[08:35] <lordievader> Hmm...
[08:35] <lordievader> What is the output of 'systemd-analyze blame' anyhows?
[08:36] <keithzg> lordievader: Top is "13.150s gpu-manager.service".
[08:36] <lordievader> Now that is a service I never heared of...
[08:37] <keithzg> How do I see the log for a specific service with systemd?
[08:37] <lordievader> keithzg: journalctl -u <service>
[08:38] <keithzg> lordievader: Thanks. Alas, not very helpful log output, just "systemd[1]: Starting Detect the available GPUs and deal with any system changes..." then "gpu-manager[964]: /etc/modprobe.d is not a file" four times and finishing with "systemd[1]: Started Detect the available GPUs and deal with any system changes." which is very poor grammer :P
[08:40] <lordievader> Sounds a bit like a service that would be disabled on a box of mine.
[08:41] <keithzg> General journalctl -b seems to be filled with a long section of ureadahead saying it's ignoring a relative path (pages and pages of this).
[08:41] <keithzg> Still no clue why VTs aren't working. Arghhh!
[08:41] <keithzg> (Well, other than that it involves the fglrx drivers)
[08:42] <yossarianuk> keithzg: I had exactly the same thing (but with nvidia) - I 'solved' by re-installing.
[08:42] <lordievader> It could very well be the kms alvin pointed out, those closed source drivers allways have a problem with kms.
[08:43] <yossarianuk> i.e it took about a minute to boot the system (oddly after installing 5.3 - but that was not the cause) during boot I could just see black screen
[08:43] <keithzg> lordievader: Weird though that it wasn't a problem with 14.10, though, wouldn't have expected such a regression. But I suppose it's quite possible.
[08:43] <yossarianuk> and I could not access the tty's (i.e ctrl+alt+f2)
[08:44] <yossarianuk> after reinstalling it was fine - also still fine after plasma 5.3 (which makes no sense)
[08:45] <keithzg> yossarianuk: Reinstalled the drivers, or the distro itself? Hmm. Maybe time for me to run a purge+reinstall on the fglrx drivers.
[08:52] <nikola_> how does device notifier learn about new hardware
[08:52] <nikola_> it doesn't recognize my camera and I'd like to debug this
[08:52] <nikola_> is there supposed to be a udev rule for this
[08:54] <lordievader> nikola_: Likely through udev.
[08:56] <yossarianuk> keithzg: reinstalled the distro.
[08:56] <yossarianuk> keithzg: I actually blanked the driver - installed debian first then 15.04 kubuntu
[08:56] <yossarianuk> do you have UEFI also ?
[08:57] <keithzg> yossarianuk: Actually, on this install I'm *not* using UEFI . . . err, I think. I could be wrong, honestly, it's been a long time since I installed it.
[08:58] <keithzg> IIRC I originally used UEFI, but then didn't when I reinstalled it shortly after setting it up, since the SSD I originally bought died in the first month.
[09:08] <keithzg> Well, damn, a purge and reinstall fixed nothing.
[09:09] <keithzg> it's 3AM where I live, though, so I think I'm going to give up for now, and lament my foolish desire to upgrade.
[09:09] <keithzg> Although . . . hmm.
[09:12] <keithzg> And yeah, upstart takes less than half the time to boot that systemd does.
[09:13] <keithzg> Still no VTs, though, so it must be KMS issues with the AMD proprietary drivers. I'm throwing this problem into Tomorrow Keith's bucket, though, and going to sleep. G'night, y'all (and thanks for the help, lordievader, yossarianuk and alvin)
[09:14] <alvin> Goodnight
[09:16] <z4sk4> hi all, i am on kubuntu 15.04 and i have problems with backports wifi drivers... (i need stop network-manager to monitoring..)  but in my kubuntu 14.04 by default i have wifi drivers so... what is the packet that have default drivers?? if install ir will disapear the message of "[phy0]SIOCSIFFLAGS: Name not unique on network"?
[09:17] <alvin> Is there a method to let owncloudclient stop complaining about the system tray?
[09:17] <lordievader> keithzg: Sleep well.
[09:18] <alvin> z4sk4: You backported wifi drivers for 15.04?
[09:19] <z4sk4> alvin: i install backports 4.1 yeah, follow this: https://backports.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Documentation/packaging (only work for me make defconf-wifi, i i sleect all, nothing works)
[09:20] <z4sk4> but the problem its that on kubuntu 14.04 i dont need to stop daemon of network-manager and on 15.04 yes...
[09:22] <z4sk4> what its the common packet on ubuntu to wifi drivers? because by default on 14.04 i can see RTL chipset and on 15.04 no
[09:22] <alvin> I'm having trouble understanding your sentences. You backported wifi drivers from kernel 4.1 to 3.19 and succeeded? Then you want to stop network-manager, but that doesn't work?
[09:23] <z4sk4> alvin: NO, backports 4.1 is not for kernel 4.1 only is the version
[09:23] <z4sk4> alvin: i install drivers of backports 4.1 on kernel 3.9
[09:24] <z4sk4> alvin: i need to monitorin, so when i start the monitor on mon0 i have this: rtl8187 - [phy0]SIOCSIFFLAGS: Name not unique on network
[09:25] <z4sk4> so i must stop network-manager to make ir work correctly
[09:25] <z4sk4> and on kubunu 14.04 i havent got this problem, but in 14.04 i had default drivers wirelles + backports drivers
[09:25] <alvin> Well, stopping network-manager is sudo systemctl stop network-manager.service
[09:26] <z4sk4> BUT on 15.04 HAVENT got this default drivers, so i ask alvin what its the name of the packet for Normal wifi drivers
[09:26] <alvin> It might not work though. I'm new to systemd, but I suspect that the service will only stop if no other daemons depend on it.
[09:27] <z4sk4> and alvin the problem to stop network-manager its maybe i am wired and need to scan wifi and i must diconect the wired,  and this is SO BAD
[09:27] <alvin> You're not making sense to me. packet?
[09:27] <z4sk4> i need to know the name of .deb on the repository of wifi drivers
[09:41] <alvin> Ah, the package. That'll be linux-image-generic.
[09:54] <davevanloo> greetings all, im trying to make a file executible.. but using the terminal nor the dolphin it just simply does not work.. even when sudo (ing) it in the terminal aka: chmod +x script.sh any idea as to why?
[09:55] <hateball> davevanloo: define "does not work"
[09:55] <lordievader> davevanloo: Does it have the shebang?
[09:55] <hateball> as in, how have you come to the conclusion it is not executable
[09:55] <davevanloo> when i execute it, it gives me acces denied.., when checking the file.. it did not make any changes to it
[09:56] <hateball> Is the file located on a mountpoint that allows executable bit to be sit?
[09:56] <hateball> s/sit/set/
[09:56] <davevanloo> its mounted to /media/<user>/-->mounted
[09:57] <hateball> and you're trying to launch it how? by typing full path?
[09:57] <s_20> what file system type is that?
[09:57] <davevanloo> NTFS :(
[09:57] <s_20> there you go.
[09:58] <davevanloo> mhmm, any way i would be able to execute a SH script in there then? i used to be able to quite a while ago.
[09:58] <alvin> davevanloo: Is 'noexec' set on that mount? (check the output of 'mount')
[09:58] <hateball> iirc isnt everything on ntfs marked as executable when mounted?
[09:58] <hateball> by default, that is
[09:58] <s_20> davevanloo: if it's just about a shellscript you might as well just do "sh /media/foo/bar"
[09:58] <alvin> You might try running it with '/bin/sh script.sh'
[09:59] <davevanloo> i have several drives, give me a moment to check the correct one so i can look it up in the output of mount
[10:00] <alvin> 'several drives' is an understatement since the switch to systemd :-)
[10:00] <davevanloo> rofl
[10:00] <davevanloo> /dev/sda1 on /media/dave/Data type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,default_permissions,blksize=4096) i do not think it has noexec
[10:00] <bennypr0fane> Hello, I got a new wlan dongle, of which there are several revisions, and I'd like to find out which one I got. lshw and lsusb are telling me different things, none of which include the version number.
[10:02] <bennypr0fane> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0bda:8178 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8192CU 802.11n WLAN Adapter
[10:03] <s_20> davevanloo: just guessing here, i might be very wrong, but i think you'd need to explcitly set a mount flag for *all* files to be executable, POSIX flags like +x probably don't work as expected
[10:03] <bennypr0fane> It's a T-Link TL-WN822N
[10:03] <alvin> I'm reading about that 'default_permissions' option in 'man fuse'. The ntfs-3g manual says that files are executable by default
[10:03] <bennypr0fane> no, TP-Link, sorry
[10:03] <davevanloo> s_20: how would i go and do that then? :#
[10:04] <s_20> davevanloo: i'm at work, but i reckon there's a specific flag you can pass to mount
[10:05] <davevanloo> roger, im reading the forums a bit.. and i might be able to sudo sh /path/to/file trying it now
[10:05] <alvin> bennypr0fane: It's possible that the hardware does not know its version number, but you do know what chip is used. Find the differences between the versions, and find out that way what adapter you have.
[10:05] <s_20> davevanloo: also, do you really need root priviliges to run that shellscript?
[10:05] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:05] <davevanloo> not really lol
[10:05] <davevanloo> its the moodbar script for amarock :P
[10:06] <bennypr0fane> alvin: how do I find out which chip is used in the versions I don't have?
[10:06] <alvin> The internet I suppose. TP-Link's documentation if you're lucky.
[10:07] <alvin> davevanloo: Try getfacl on that file to see the NTFS permissions
[10:07] <davevanloo> permissions are: user: RW owner dave aswel as group rest is blanq
[10:08] <edwin__> BluesKaj, howdy
[10:09] <alvin> Hmmm, that might be it. ntfs-3g says "By default, files and directories are owned by the effective user and group of the mounting process, and everybody has full read, write, execution and..." but maybe ACL's are important too.
[10:11] <BluesKaj> hi ejay
[10:11] <davevanloo> mhmm..
[10:12] <lordievader> davevanloo: No execute right?
[10:12] <lordievader> rights*
[10:12] <davevanloo> indeed, getting acces denied
[10:13] <bennypr0fane> found it: http://www.tp-link.com/at/Article/?id=46
[10:13] <davevanloo> lordievader: on NTFS file system, trying to run amarock moodbar script
[10:13] <bennypr0fane> it actually was on the back of the device, stupid (or rather blind,because I had checked that) me
[10:14] <lordievader> davevanloo: I was talking about the getfacl output ;)
[10:15] <jittu> any one is there
[10:15] <lordievader> jittu: See /names
[10:15] <davevanloo> lordievader: noexec was not in the output
[10:16] <lordievader> davevanloo: Could you pastebin the output?
[10:16] <davevanloo> it seems now to.. dont know what i did.. the script runs.., i am just needing to properly install gstreamer plugins..
[10:16] <jittu> hay i want some help about kubuntu
[10:16] <lordievader> !ask | jittu
[10:17] <davevanloo> lordievader: pastebin: http://pastebin.com/g6k0f0FG
[10:17] <jittu> i just want to know how to login as root
[10:17] <lordievader> jittu: Why?
[10:17] <lordievader> The base of Ubuntu is build around not logging in as root.
[10:17] <jittu> i installed kubuntu in my laptop
[10:18] <lordievader> davevanloo: No execute permissions ;)
[10:18] <davevanloo> hehe :P
[10:18] <davevanloo> lordievader: would you know how to fix it?
[10:19] <lordievader> davevanloo: Change permissions, forgot if NTFS supports this...
[10:19] <davevanloo> chmod does not work..
[10:19] <jittu> can any one tell me ..how php my admin and my sql are install in kubuntu
[10:20] <lordievader> !info phpmyadmin
[10:20] <jittu> yes but how to install
[10:21] <lordievader> !info mysql-server
[10:21] <lordievader> jittu: sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin mysql-server
[10:21] <davevanloo> however i did manager to execute sh moodbar.sh to properly run it.. atleast my problem is fixed that way sort off..
[10:21] <jittu> E: Unable to locate package phpmyadmin E: Unable to locate package mysql-server
[10:22] <lordievader> !info mysql-server vivid
[10:22] <lordievader> jittu: Wut? What version of Kubuntu are you running?
[10:23] <jittu> i dont know
[10:23] <lordievader> jittu: lsb_release -a
[10:24] <jittu> whts this
[10:24] <jittu> Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description:    Ubuntu 11.10 Release:        11.10 Codename:       oneiric
[10:26] <lordievader> Don't think Oneiric is supported anymore.
[10:26] <lordievader> !eol
[10:26] <alvin> Aha, a challenge :-)
[10:26] <jittu> what i do
[10:27] <alvin> Either upgrade or erase and install another version. Upgrading might take a long time. You'd have to run several upgrades after another depending on what version you want to end with.
[10:27] <jittu> is possible or not
[10:28] <alvin> davevanloo: You should be able to set the permissions with setfacl I believe. But it's not as easy as chmod.
[10:28] <davevanloo> alvin: thank you.. i will def look into that
[10:28] <BluesKaj> bennypr0fane: which tp-link device are you using ? I have a wdr3600 router and the 8816 modem. and did you solvw your problem ?
[10:29] <jittu> just tell me bro
[10:31] <BluesKaj> jittu:  install a newer versin , 11.10 stands for the year and the month it's released , the latest kubuntu is 15.04 released a week ago
[10:32] <BluesKaj> versin=version
[10:36] <Zerkalerka> new kubuntu is nice
[10:36] <Zerkalerka> :D
[10:38] <jittu> ok thanku so much bro
[10:40] <BluesKaj> jittu:  it's ok you don't have to call me " bro "
[10:41] <jittu> why
[10:42] <disa> just installed kubuntu 15.04, and cannot figure out how to set up a VPN connection
[10:42] <jittu> i din't get you .....
[10:42]  * bip Back!
[10:45] <BluesKaj> disa:  which vpn protocol ?
[10:47] <BluesKaj> openvpn or....?
[10:47] <disa> BluesKaj: pptp
[10:48] <disa> BluesKaj: i am told to use network-manager but i dont even know how to use that
[10:49] <disa> BluesKaj: do I need to install a gui frontend to Network Manager?
[10:49] <disa> BluesKaj: I see that packages network-manager and network-manager-pptp are installed
[10:50] <disa> I tried to install network-manager-kde but that failed (no candidate)
[10:51] <BluesKaj> disa:  network-manager-pptp should be installed by default, but check your software center/package manager
[10:52] <BluesKaj> disa:  network manager for kubuntu is installed by default already
[10:52] <disa> BluesKaj: how do I start the user interface to set up the connection?
[10:55] <BluesKaj> disa:  you will need the vpn server info from the remote server, most likely a username and password
[10:56] <disa> BluesKaj: sure, but what do I do on this end? where do I enter this info?
[10:57] <BluesKaj> usually  a shell script with an sh file extension provided by the server
[10:57] <alvin> disa: click in the system tray on the 'Networks' item, and then the configure button
[10:58] <alvin> Somewhat related, what happened to the nm-tool application?
[10:59] <BluesKaj> alvin:  do you mean configure network applications?
[10:59] <alvin> (also related: pptp is not safe, but still popular. If that's your server, I'd try to switch to something more secure)
[11:00] <alvin> BluesKaj: More or less. With nm-tool you could see some settings in the command line
[11:00] <alvin> For example, what DNS server you are using and what network you're connected to.
[11:01] <disa> alvin: when you say system tray, do you mean "System Settings" in the aplication manager?
[11:01] <alvin> Since your DNS server is always 127.0.0.1 it's difficult to find out the real one.
[11:01] <alvin> disa: No, I meant the system tray. Usually to be found in the right corner below, unless you moved it.
[11:02] <alvin> Actually, putting this in System Settings wouldn't be a bad idea.
[11:02] <disa> alvin: that seems to be my problem: no system tray
[11:03] <alvin> disa: That's another problem, yes :-) Let's restore it then. It's just a widget. Add it somewhere.
[11:05] <disa> ok oops plasma crashed
[11:06] <BluesKaj> disa:  most vpns provide a script to run the vpn connection on your vpn client and network-manager , does your server have a support tutorial ?
[11:08] <disa> BluesKaj: server has a page on how to connect using Network Manager, but I could not fing how to open the gui to input server info
[11:09] <BluesKaj> disa:  run sudo service network-manager-pptp start in the konsole
[11:11] <BluesKaj> but you probly need to download or create a script
[11:12] <disa> thanks all. I think I have managed to open the correct interface
[11:12] <disa> the problem was that there was no Networks icon in the system panel
[11:13] <BluesKaj> ??
[11:13] <BluesKaj> should be there by defauilt
[11:13] <disa> no idea how it happened
[11:14] <BluesKaj> ok
[11:14] <disa> I think I should reboot now. I will come back if I have further problems :-)
[11:46] <tron71> Hi
[11:46] <tron71> I'm facing this very annoying bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343673
[11:47] <tron71> I see that it is fixed in kde applications 15.04
[11:47] <tron71> are there any plans to provide a version of kde applications 15.04 for Kubuntu?
[11:47] <tron71> because that bug makes Kate almost impossible to use...
[11:47] <tron71> it's usable only with a single file ;)
[11:56] <BluesKaj> tron71:  are you running 15.04?
[12:02] <tron71> BluesKaj: yes, I do run 15.04, but it does not seem to provide kde applications 15.04
[12:02] <tron71> if I understand correctly
[12:06] <tron71> the two versions are unrelated, aren't they?
[12:07] <BluesKaj> tron71:  one kate app at a time seems to be the bug I see
[12:08] <daum> hey guys - i'm on 14.04 and noticed that the 15.04 ones are out...but my muon updater isn't showing it as an option any idea why?
[12:08] <BluesKaj> plasma 4 is supposedly supposed to integrate with plasma 5 , but there are problems tron71
[12:09] <BluesKaj> daum:  probly because the updater is set to notify LTS releases only
[12:10] <daum> BluesKaj, isn't 14.04 a LTS?
[12:10] <daum> ohhh
[12:10] <daum> i see what you mean
[12:10] <daum> 15 isn't
[12:11] <BluesKaj> exactly
[12:11] <tron71> BluesKaj: can you reproduce the bug? The bug is also present in the live version of kubuntu 15.04
[12:12] <BluesKaj> tron71:  yes, many times :/
[12:13] <BluesKaj> I just complained about in the devel chat
[12:14] <tron71> #kubuntu-devel?
[12:14] <BluesKaj> yup
[12:14] <tron71> I've just joined the channel
[12:16] <tron71> has anyone answered yet? (I don't know how to retrieve previous messages after joining a channel)
[12:18] <BluesKaj> tron71:  go ahead and mention the bug ...i complain there a lot so I think they don't pay much attention anymore (to my compaints)
[12:52] <alvin> ssh server -> no problem (public key authentication), but stp://server in Dolphin? -> The host key for this server was not found, but another type of key exists. An attacker might change the default server key to confuse your client into thinking the key does not exists. Please contact your system administrator."
[12:52] <alvin> This goes for every SSH connection. No trouble at all using the shell, but Dolphin gives this message for every server I've tried.
[12:56] <BluesKaj> alvin:  yup I can ssh without a problem from the konsole, but not with the network folder option in dolphin
[12:56] <BluesKaj> I get the same notice
[12:57] <alvin> Found it bug 1450085
[12:58] <alvin> I'm starting to question the wisdom of fixed release dates again.
[13:00] <BluesKaj> alvin:  if it's any compensation, fish works
[13:01] <alvin> I don't like to use fish if I can help it, but ok. It's a workaround. Although I don't intend to change my > 100 SFTP links  in remote:/
[13:03] <lordievader> alvin: scp? rsync?
[13:04] <Roey> good morning all! o/
[13:04] <lordievader> Hey Roey
[13:05] <Roey> So good news!  I got my system booting by (1) running btrfs-zero-log on /dev/sda (my booting/root/home BTRFS volume)
[13:06] <Roey> (2) booting Kubuntu in runlevel 3 (because SDDM seems to be having issues)
[13:06] <alvin> lordievader: rsync over ssh and scp, and sftp and ssh are all working perfectly in a shell. It's Dolphin that doesn't want it.
[13:06] <Roey> (3) right now, at this point, I have everything working except X
[13:06] <Roey> (background: I had upgraded from 14.10 -> 15.04)
[13:06] <lordievader> Roey: With systemd runlevels no longer exist ;)
[13:07] <Roey> right
[13:07] <Roey> lordievader:  I did linux 3
[13:07] <Roey> at GRUB
[13:07] <Roey> and it worked.
[13:07] <Roey> linux text 3 --
[13:07] <Roey> How do I make this permanent?
[13:07] <Roey> as in, I want it to start up without X
[13:07] <Roey> also, is it not correct to start an X session with startx anymore?
[13:07] <Roey> it has to be sddm or lightdm?
[13:08] <Roey> lordievader:  ^
[13:08] <lordievader> The 3 is likely ignored. 'text' puts (Ubuntu) in text mode.
[13:08] <lordievader> Roey: Edit /etc/default/grub
[13:16] <Roey> lordievader:  I've tried "text" by itself and while it showed me all the text of bootup, it still tried to start X.
[13:16] <Roey> lordievader:  ok, I'll edit /etc/default/grub.
[13:16] <lordievader> Disable sddm in systemd?
[13:18] <Roey> how ?
[13:18] <Roey> systemctl disable sddm??
[13:19] <Roey> and how do I start X from a console?
[13:19] <alvin> I'm not sure if systemctl disable actually helps if there's another .service that depends on it
[13:22] <lordievader> Roey: sudo systemctl disable sddm, yes.
[13:23] <lordievader> Are there any systemd optimization guides out there?
[13:34] <hyper_ch> is there a way to have icons not turn grey in the taskbar when they're inactive? using task-icon only taskbar and having it all greyed out makes it hard to see the application you want to reactivate
[13:37] <Roey> lordievader:  <ohsix> there's the systemd-analyze man page :p
 no big knobs, really; you find out what sucks and fix it
[13:38] <Roey> from #systemd
[13:40] <lordievader> Roey: Yeah, I was talking a bit deeper ;)
[13:40] <Roey> lordievader:  yeah figured as much :)
[13:40] <Roey> btw where in /etc/default/grub does it let you specify booting without X?
[13:41] <Roey> is it just GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="text"?>
[13:41] <Roey> er
[13:41] <Roey> ="Text"?
[13:41] <Roey> and GRUB_TERMINAL=console ?
[13:41] <Roey> (that's not X I don't think)
[13:41] <lordievader> CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
[13:41] <lordievader> Or something...
[13:42]  * lordievader rarely uses /etc/default/grub
[13:42] <Roey> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="text" is what I have
[13:42] <Roey> and it seems to get ignored
[13:42] <Roey> on the other hand, I have a /etc/default/grub from anothe rsystem which DOES seem to work
[13:42] <Roey> and the differences between the two files aren't that apparent
[13:43] <lordievader> Can you pastebin your /boot/grub/grub.cfg after you ran update-grub2?
[13:43] <Roey> it's 544 lines long though!
[13:44] <Roey> lordievader:  before I post the file, I do want to stress that I am more interested in getting SDDM to run correctly
[13:44] <Roey> on bootup, if I boot up to X,
[13:44] <lordievader> Fix X ;)
[13:45] <Roey> then SDDM shows, I see a button for rebooting/power, and a combo box for picking the session type, but no fields for username/password
[13:48] <lordievader> That sounds like a problem with SDDM, not X.
[15:27] <Roey> hey there
[15:27] <Roey> when I start Kubuntu 15.04, I get to SDDM, and I see a combobox letting me choose among environments (fvwm, xfce, Plasma, etc.) -- but nothing else.  No fields for username/password.  What gives?
[15:30] <BluesKaj> maybe it will give the fields once you choose a DE, Roey
[15:31] <Roey> I did
[15:31] <Roey> nothing happens.
[15:31] <Roey> I don't see /anything/ there besides the combobox on the left, and the power off/reset buttons on the right.
[15:32] <BluesKaj> Roey, then drop to a tty/vt and instll lightdm , it might work for you
[15:32] <Finetundra> hello folks, how would I swap alsa for pulse audio?
[15:33] <Roey> BluesKaj:  lightdm gives me an error when I try to start it, and it only runs as sudo for some reason.
[15:33] <Roey> BluesKaj:  I don't get it though; I tried booting with Linux Mint 17 and it's fine.
[15:33] <Roey> And I think it also uses SDDM.
[15:33] <Roey> Linux MINT 17 KDE
[15:33] <BluesKaj> you don't pulse rides on top of alsa as a sound server Finetundra ,but can purge pulse if you want leaving alsa as your default
[15:34] <Roey> Finetundra:  they're different layers of the sound stack, they complement each other, not replace.
[15:34] <Finetundra> is pulse installed by default?
[15:35] <BluesKaj> Finetundra, yes
[15:35] <Finetundra> would it count as a mixer?
[15:36] <BluesKaj> it has a mixer option as does alsa
[15:36] <Finetundra> ok, thats what I needed to know. thanks
[15:37] <BluesKaj> but pulse allows simultaneous sound sources to be played/streames
[16:16] <Guest91910> Hallo
[16:20] <BluesKaj> Hi Guest91910
[16:36] <wldcordeiro> For OpenGL 3.1 which renderer is better? GLX?
[16:39] <sithlord48> i honestly have not noticed a difference between EGL or GLX (provided EGL is supported by your hardware)
[16:43] <wldcordeiro> sithlord48: I keep getting weird compositor crashes right now where my windows stay but they lose their decorations and animations stop working using 3.1 and GLX so I was wondering if there was a difference.
[16:45] <sithlord48> try egl see if its better for your hardware.. maybe those animations dont work correctly on open gl 3.1
[16:48] <wldcordeiro> sithlord48: I wasn't having issues when I was on kde 5.2 but the 5.3 update has been causing the plasma crashes.
[16:49] <sithlord48> do you have a properity video driver ? that is usually the cause of such problems . i have also heard nvidia cards may have issues.
[16:50] <wldcordeiro> No I'm using the recommended one.
[16:50] <wldcordeiro> x.org X driver for amd
[16:51] <wldcordeiro> would fglrx be better?
[16:52] <sithlord48> i doubt it
[16:53] <sithlord48> i have not had any issues wiht effects on plasma 5.3 here and amd open driver
[16:53] <sithlord48> maybe its the effect or decoration your using ?
[16:59] <Zerkalerka> can I upgrade from 5.2 to 5.3?
[16:59] <Zerkalerka> shouldn't say can I.. should ask where can I get the deb files for 5.3
[17:00] <Zerkalerka> or must I build from srC?
[17:00] <sithlord48> sure you can just add the kubuntu backports ppa
[17:00] <sithlord48> Zerkalerka: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5.3
[17:01] <Zerkalerka> nice, I shall install now
[17:01] <sithlord48> just need to add that repo sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports    then update your package list and you will have updates
[17:03] <Zerkalerka> yeah then apt-get upgrade
[17:03] <Zerkalerka> and should install right
[17:05] <sithlord48> yup
[17:06] <sithlord48> iirc after adding the ppa i had 82 updates
[17:07] <Zerkalerka> 72
[17:07] <Zerkalerka> for moi
[17:07] <Zerkalerka> you ever get that error popping up about ttf-msconf fonts? or something like that.. even after I purge it pops up once a day lol
[17:08] <Zerkalerka> on 15.04
[17:08] <sithlord48> nope
[17:08] <Zerkalerka> ah strange
[17:08] <Zerkalerka> alright I installed
[17:08] <Zerkalerka> gonna do a quick reboot
[17:08] <Zerkalerka> brb
[17:30] <Zerkalerka> sithlord48: well that wasn't fun lol
[17:30] <sithlord48> ?
[17:30] <Zerkalerka> kwin desktop was always crashing and as soon as plasma would load it would just be frozen and couldn't do anything lol
[17:31] <sithlord48> odd.
[17:31] <Zerkalerka> i purged the ppa, reloaded it then did apt-get update && apt-get install kubuntu-desktop && apt-get dist upgrade
[17:31] <Zerkalerka> and now I am back on fine
[17:32] <sithlord48> intresting... what kind of video card are you using?
[17:32] <Zerkalerka> nvidia 840m
[17:32] <genii> I would guess hybrid Intel/NVidia
[17:32] <Zerkalerka> i have the latest kernel installed.. and I always get an error booting up
[17:32] <Zerkalerka> yeah
[17:32] <sithlord48> ahh i heard nvidia was having issues with plasma 5 some times
[17:32] <Zerkalerka> hybrids suck
[17:32] <Zerkalerka> ah that error popped up
[17:32] <Zerkalerka> ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[17:33] <sithlord48> oh you need to prolly re run that . it fetches stuff from teh web.
[17:34] <genii> I would try: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install --reinstall ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[17:34] <Zerkalerka> yeah just did that
[17:34] <Zerkalerka> its going now
[17:34] <Zerkalerka> They changed a bunch of icons in the menu I noticed.
[17:35] <sithlord48> its your icon theme
[17:35] <Zerkalerka> ah makes sense
[17:39] <Zerkalerka> any good place to look for new plasma themes?
[17:45] <MoonUnit`> settings/workspace theme/desktop theme then click  get new themes.
[17:46] <MoonUnit`> basicly a kde frontend for http://kde-look.org/
[17:48] <MoonUnit`> many of the settings in kde settings will have a button to browse for new downloadable bits.
[17:52] <Roey> hey is Kubuntu 15.10 going to use Snappy instead of .debs ?
[17:53] <Zerkalerka> sithlord4:  http://gyazo.com/fb71953524aa184b32a03abb818be0b6
[17:55] <sithlord4> Zerkalerka: its a failure of that installer .. maybe you should remove those fonts.
[17:56] <Zerkalerka> yeah I had them removed the entire time and always had that, then just installed them again and still pops up :(
[18:23] <Zerkalerka> Anyone know how to disable the splash screen on startup so I can watch systemd going at it instead
[18:28] <MoonUnit`> remove quiet splash from /etc/default/grub then run sudo update-grub
[18:29] <Zerkalerka> ty
[18:36] <Euvius> Is there any way to see my tray icons again, besides these new general ones
[18:37] <Euvius> most of my app tray icons are now missing since switching to Plasma 5
[18:37] <soee> Euvius: you might want to install sqni-qt:i386
[18:38] <Euvius> im on 64 bit
[18:38] <soee> so skype and owncloud will work, but others might missing anyway
[18:38] <Euvius> should i get 686
[18:38] <soee> Euvius: doesnt matter you need i386
[18:38] <Euvius> ok
[18:39] <soee> Euvius: you might want to read http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/06/where-are-my-systray-icons/
[18:39] <Euvius> ok thanks
[19:16] <Fleck> http://imgur.com/RbF38Mi << seems like many KDE apps have problems with kio... gwenview also in the list, can't use browse after upgrade to KDE Plasma...
[19:16] <Fleck> ideas?
[20:59] <rattking> hey all, does anyone here have kontact talking to office365? I use to have this working with davmail and now it does not and I dont know what changed.. probably something server side..
[22:04] <arunce> Hi, I can't restart the plasmashell with composite effects. (compositor is enabled and working with windows and other stuff.). The only solution is to logout and login. Any ideas besides logout/login?
[22:07] <soee_> arunce: restart how ? through cli ?
[22:12] <arunce> soee_: yes
[22:13] <arunce> soee_: and not only, after shift+ctrl+f12 composite won't work for plasma
[22:16] <soee_> on propriety drivers or noveau ?
[22:16] <arunce> nvidia drivers
[22:16] <arunce> but it's working for everything else, like windows, desktop effects
[22:18] <arunce> also, going for plasma 5.3 of kubuntu/backports didn't solve anything
[22:20] <arunce> the samething happens with radeon
[22:22] <soee_> with opengl 3.1 ?
[22:32] <arunce> soee: with both opengl
[22:35] <arunce> soee: Maybe I need to restart after choosing opengl 3.1. I didn't try that yet.
[22:41] <trew> ok i try now Kubuntu 15.04 on virtual box and this so awesome!
[22:41] <soee> ":)
[22:42] <trew> thank you devlopers
[22:43] <arunce> brb
[22:43] <trew> i have PPA with KDE 4 on real machine but it's crash all the time
[22:44] <soee> trew: and waht system with KDE4 ?
[22:44] <trew> kubuntu
[22:45] <soee> KDE4 should be stable
[22:47] <trew> soee: it's very very very not
[22:48] <trew> the desktop crash on start and what i get it's only background black
[22:49] <trew>  the desktop crash on start and what i get it's only background black
[22:49] <trew> I did not understand why it released the next version if it is so unstable
[22:55] <arunce> soee: it's the same.
[22:56] <lyonsb> Hi, I installed Kubuntu 15.04 on an X200 Tablet laptop, and the Wacom Penabled tablet screen isn't responding to pen input.  Also dmesg | grep input isn't showing the Wacom tablet, and xsetwacom --list devices isn't showing anything.
[22:57] <lyonsb> I tried moving the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf file out of that directory (to see if it was blocking a necessary module) to no effect.
[22:57] <lyonsb> I had Debian Jessie on it previously, and have also tested with a Live CD in which the pen worked perfectly.
[23:10] <lyonsb> Internet searches have not helped yet.
[23:12] <morgan_> id just like to say - the latest updates tonight have completely fixed issues I was having with Nvidia + 15.04 + Plasma5.3 PPA
[23:13] <morgan_> desktop running very smoothly now.
[23:21] <[Relic]> will I have to redo all my settings and layout if I upgrade 14.10 to 15.04?
[23:22] <jkirby> 15.04 is not really ready for prime-time. My 14.10 worked great. 15.04 has all sorts of issues. For example, half the time it will not restart. Sometimes when I am able to restart, wallpapers and desktop setting do not stick.
[23:22] <jkirby> But I have hope :
[23:23] <jkirby> [relic] YES
[23:26] <jkirby> I probably should have waited a couple of months before upgrading, but I am on 15.04, so not much I can do about that now.
[23:27] <jkirby> Also upgraded to kernel 4; which seem quite solid for the most part.
[23:28] <Chaser_> Was just upgrading my kubuntu 15.04 and the upgrade fails because systemd complaining about error initializing authority. http://paste.ubuntu.com/10957027/ .
[23:28] <jkirby> Just be careful and make sure you are willing to handle the quirks for a while. Otherwise, I suggest sticking with 14.10 for a bit longer.
[23:29] <jkirby> [Chaser_] Which kernel version?
[23:30] <Chaser_> 15.04's default - 3.19.0-15-generic.
[23:30] <jkirby> Maybe try kernel 4.0 and make sure it is the upstart kernel. I think upstart is required for systemd
[23:31] <jkirby> Mine upgraded just fine. Only some minor quirks so far. It looks great.
[23:31] <Chaser_> Are you on 15.04 ?
[23:31] <jkirby> Yes
[23:31] <jkirby> 15.04 with kernel 4
[23:31] <Chaser_> ahh - too bleeding edge for me :)
[23:32] <jkirby> Been running kernel 4 since its release; ran great with 14.10 and seems to be fine with 15.04
[23:32] <jkirby> But there are issues with 15.40, so you may wish to wait just a skosh longer.
[23:32] <jkirby> 15.04
[23:33] <jkirby> Many widgets have not been ported yet. That was a bit of a downer
[23:34] <Chaser_> couldn't resist plasma. I should have waited.
[23:35] <jkirby> I suspect things will solidify quickly. Kubuntu FTW :)
[23:36] <jkirby> I spent two years in Arch, so Kubuntu is like a dream.
[23:37] <gunndawg> jkirby: didnt like Arch?
[23:38] <jkirby> Yes, I loved it, but it required too much work. It was great in teaching me how Linux works.
[23:38] <jkirby> I ended up messing myself up too much. Audio was always problematic. Kubuntu just works
[23:39] <jkirby> Everything in Arch is manual.
[23:40] <acz32> that's how i feel going from openbox to KDE
[23:41] <jkirby> Right. I was a big XFCE4 fan under Arch. Loved the light weightness of XFCE, but I have plenty of RAM and plenty of cores, so KDE runs fine.
[23:43] <jkirby> I ran Arch ARM on my Samsung Chromebook. With XFCE, it was quite impressive. KDE bogged it down so that is was barely usable.
[23:47] <jkirby> Anyway, keep up the good work guys. Kubuntu is my OS of choice right now. All new releases have some bugs and I am sure they will get worked out.
[23:49] <gunndawg> jkirby: agreed. I'm happy with 14.04 at the moment :)
[23:49] <gunndawg> I"m currently trying to configure VIM for web development
[23:50] <[Relic]> think I will wait a few more weeks then to upgrade
[23:53] <Martin7738> Hi, I just installed kubuntu. Right after booting, I get the message "Please enter passphrase for disk TOSHIBA_MQ01ABD075 (cryptswap1) on none!" . Why is that necessary/asked, and what does it correspond to please ?
[23:55] <Martin7738> (seems to be linked to the fact that the home directory is encrypted, but...)