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extraymondHi! I'm pretty new to utouch, would like to know whether nexus 4 is gonna be supported in the future? Would like to buy a 2nd hand nexus 4 for development.07:05
dholbachgood morning07:06
extraymondIs this the right channel to ask such question?07:07
dholbachextraymond, it is the right channel yes07:08
dholbachI don't know if there's an official answer to it, but with N4s in widespread use right now, I'd assume that it's a safe bet for quite a while07:09
dholbachespecially with many of the automated tests running on N4s07:09
extraymonddholbach, Thx! That's good to know!07:10
dholbachin the worst case, you could sell it again on ebay and try to get a different one07:14
dholbachit'll be easier and easier over time with more ubuntu powered handsets getting on the market07:14
extraymondWill Nexus 7(2013) have the chance of having a longer supported life cycle? Since its newer.07:18
* elfy hopes so 07:21
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TenLeftFingersrsalveti: ping08:41
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JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Poem in Your Pocket Day! :-D09:05
socialAnyone had luck syncing calendar with google accounts? I keep getting 400 bad request and so on09:40
popeysocial: known bug, fix is in progress in vivid09:42
socialpopey: some bug to check, I have error : no datastores active check configuration09:43
TenLeftFingersI don't see the Reminders app listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers so which package should I run unity-bug against?09:58
popeyhttp://launchpad.net/reminders-app09:58
TenLeftFingerspopey: thanks10:00
* popey edits the avengers page10:00
popeywell, i would if the wiki didn't 500 on me10:00
TenLeftFingersI feel special now :)10:00
popeyWelcome to my world.10:01
TenLeftFingersAfter all that, I can't replicate the conditions for the bug right now... I went out of coverage while making a note and lost a good chunk of text. Too vague for a bug report?10:04
popeyno, it should work offline10:05
popeyif you can try and reproduce again that would be great10:05
* davmor2 renames it avengers:assemble to see how many hits it gets :D10:06
TenLeftFingersI think it works offline, but switch while making the note causes the issue. Okay, I'll wait until I can be more specific on exactly what happened.10:06
popeythanks TenLeftFingers10:09
TenLeftFingerspopey: no problem10:10
asishey there!!10:36
asisI wanted to install Ubuntu touch in my Android Phone ... But my phone is not listed .. So what should I need to do10:36
asishello ??10:39
ahoneybunasis: would have to port it10:42
asisI read about port .. But gets More Confused10:42
asisAny help would be appreciated :)10:42
ahoneybunasis: from what I understand if there is CyanogenMod for the phone the port is a lot more easy to do, but sadly I have no dev exp to do it10:50
TenLeftFingersOh dear. Dekko has been "Saving to the sent folder" for a few minutes now with a rather long email. I may need to kill it. Is there some way to recover what I typed?11:08
TenLeftFingersAh, it eventually returns and lets me copy out the text. I can live with that.11:10
DanChapmanTenLeftFingers: So did it eventually just back out of the "Saving to sent folder" step? (that part has always been slightly broken IMO anyway)11:18
DanChapmanBut yes it should preserve the message in the composer except after successful submision or composer is closed, but you should get a prompt to save it for that.11:19
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TenLeftFingersDanChapman: yes, it did preserve the message. In the past I have killed the app and lost the message because it looked like it wasn't going to return but I think I could have saved those messages too had I waited a little longer.11:37
socialpopey: I have found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1439554 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1442931 is there some bug on which someone is working on? I'm not familiar with launchpad :(11:55
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1439554 in qtorganizer5-eds (Ubuntu) "Calendar app is not syncing anymore." [Undecided,Confirmed]11:55
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1442931 in sync-monitor (Ubuntu) "sync with google calendar not working" [Undecided,Confirmed]11:55
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tedgogra_, FYI: https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/731b18e6-eeb1-11e4-a911-fa163e22e46712:49
tedgogra_, Looks like an unset variable somewhere12:50
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ogra_tedg, oh ... when did that happen ?13:15
ogra_while sharing a pic from gallery ?13:15
ogra_(clicking on the url-dispatcher part on the error tracker gets me to gallery logs)13:16
extraymondHi! Does anyone know why I can't find those apps in uappexplorer on my emulator?13:26
popeyextraymond: x86 emulator, and apps in the store are mostly armhf only13:27
extraymondOh!! That makes sense...13:27
popey(unless they're pure qml or html5 in which case they're multi-arch)13:27
popeyyeah13:27
* popey pokes bzoltan and zbenjamin about fat package building....13:27
extraymondwell, I'll try setup a arm one! Thx popey!13:28
popeynp13:28
popeyits uber slow, the armhf emulator13:28
popeylike, slow as molasses13:28
zbenjaminpopey: fat package building only with qmake based projects13:28
popeydo we have to migrate zbenjamin ?13:28
zbenjaminpopey: alternatively you can manually package it up13:29
zbenjaminpopey: so basically its, building your project manually in every chroot and then make install it all into the same directory, for example /tmp/mypackage. Then edit the manifest.json file and list the architectures you included. Last step is run click build on the /tmp/mypackage folder13:31
popeyhm.13:31
popeytvoss: any chance you can reply to my mail about terminal?13:31
tvosspopey, sure, in a meeting right now. did we talk with security, yet?13:32
extraymondpopey: will the emulator run faster if we get in running on rpi2 or something arm?13:32
popeytvoss: no, I can do.13:33
tvosspopey, that would help me, thx13:33
popeyok13:34
trickvi_would this be a good place to get help to add a new layout for the on screen keyboard?13:48
trickvi_(and also a bit of help with the ubuntu sdk)13:48
* trickvi_ is a bit confused what irc channel is best13:49
ogra_trickvi_, for phone stuff this is the right channel13:49
ogra_trickvi_, and for the SDk and apps #ubuntu-app-devel is a good one13:50
trickvi_ogra_: ah great, I just got my phone and want to add a keyboard layout, so I've set up the Ubuntu SDK imported the bzr repo but it talks about Maliit framework being missing, but there's nothing in the docs that I can find that tell me about this Maliit framework, I guess I have to import that project as well and build it and then I can add my layout13:51
trickvi_ogra_: ok will direct SDK questions there13:51
ogra_Elleo, ^^13:51
trickvi_(first time contributor here)13:52
Elleotrickvi_: heya; building the keyboard is a bit complicated; but if you put together a layout appropriate for your language I'll see about fixing up any (non-language specific) issues with it and get it merged13:54
Elleotrickvi_: there's a couple of existing MRs that should the sort of changes needed to add a new layout, I'll dig one out for you13:55
Elleotrickvi_: this is quite a good example: https://code.launchpad.net/~simosx/ubuntu-keyboard/add-greek-layout/+merge/25424813:55
trickvi_thanks Elleo, so I should just blindly make adjustments and rely on you to guide me when I screw up ;)13:55
Elleotrickvi_: there's also some half-finished docs here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KeyboardLayouts13:55
trickvi_Elleo: that's the page I was looking for yesterday :)13:56
Elleotrickvi_: pretty much :) it's in our backlog to redesign the layout system to make it much easier to develop and test new layouts13:56
trickvi_Elleo: if I'd make an awesome MR how long would it take for it to get from today to my phone?13:57
Elleotrickvi_: really only the layout files part of that is probably of use, since the template generator was never finished13:57
trickvi_as in upstream and released13:57
trickvi_(I can probably somehow put it on my phone -- but that comes later when I've seen that I've done it correctly)13:57
Elleotrickvi_: that depends a bit on when you finish it really; we typically build up a little queue of new layouts and then review and merge them all in a big batch; I'm currently going through a batch at the moment, so if you finish your layout within the next couple of weeks it'll probably get included in this group13:59
Elleotrickvi_: after that it'll be however long between it getting merged and there being another OTA update13:59
Elleotrickvi_: so probably a couple of months on average14:00
trickvi_Elleo: I'll get this working as soon as possible :)14:00
* trickvi_ is excited to be able to contribute14:00
Elleotrickvi_: once its ready for merging there will be test packages that you can install manually though (if you don't mind making your device writable)14:00
cwaynerpadovani, ping!14:01
trickvi_Elleo: I don't mind :)14:01
trickvi_but I would like to test before destroying my phone14:01
Elleotrickvi_: after the next major OTA (when the phone switches to vivid) it'll be possible to try new layouts whilst still in read-only mode, but I'm not sure exactly when that'll be14:03
rpadovanicwayne, hey :-)14:03
trickvi_OTA? acronym newbie14:05
Elleotrickvi_: oh sorry, Over The Air update14:05
trickvi_as in "phones can install an update"14:07
Elleotrickvi_: yeah, every month or two we push an update to the overall system that you can install by just pressing the "Install" button on the updates page in system settngs14:08
trickvi_right, so the icons that got lost in my last update won't get fixed until next OTA14:09
jhodapppopey, btw, updated my flo to image 186 and it boots with no issues14:11
popeyjhodapp: yeah, it was my fault. apparmor taking ages to process all the 1222 apps I have installed14:11
popeysorry.14:11
jhodappwow14:11
jhodappgood testing :)14:11
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Elleotrickvi_: I don't think that's necessarily related to this OTA specifically, it hasn't happened to everyone, but I do remember someone else mentioning it; I think it has something to do with the icon cache getting messed up in some way, so it might be possible to clear that cache and get it working14:16
john-mcaleelyI think a system where having apps installed stalls boot is not 'your fault' popey :-)14:16
Elleotrickvi_: I'm not sure on the details of that though, I just vaguely remember someone else talking about it in the past14:16
popeyjohn-mcaleely: fair! I mean, I should have known what it was because I've seen that before, and we filed a bug about it.14:16
Elleopopey: is that all the apps in the store on one device?14:17
john-mcaleelypopey, is it on every OTA?14:17
popeyyes Elleo14:17
popeyjohn-mcaleely: no, I don't think so, only where there's some low level change like a kernel update I think14:17
popeyjdstrand: knows better (of course) what triggers an apparmor profile regenerate14:17
john-mcaleelyphew. that's less terrible then14:17
Elleopopey: cool14:18
john-mcaleelystill terrible14:18
popeyElleo: it stresses the system update process a bit too14:18
ogra_john-mcaleely, i blame popey for having 1222 apps installed14:18
popeydoing OTA updates after a few days reveals a lot of app updates to pull in14:18
popeyWise. Who would do that!?!14:18
john-mcaleelyperhaps he should only have 122114:18
popey<- this guy14:18
john-mcaleelythat would be fine14:18
Elleoheh14:18
popeyi can make it 1223 if you like14:18
ogra_john-mcaleely, +114:18
john-mcaleelyargh. no more apps!14:19
john-mcaleely+1 is back 122214:19
ogra_:D14:19
popeyhttp://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/graph_clicks.png climbing climbing....14:19
john-mcaleelywhat's the cwayne percentage?14:20
ogra_tedg, is there a corresponding bug to that e.u.c report ... i would really like some context14:20
cwaynejohn-mcaleely, just added two more this morning14:21
john-mcaleelyso popey is definately out of date then14:21
popeynote that some don't install because they use 15.04 framework14:21
abeatojgdx, ping14:26
jgdxabeato, pong14:27
Elleopopey: for the sake of my curiousity could you try running this on your device with all the clicks? find /opt/click.ubuntu.com/ -name *.qml | cut -d '/' -f 4 | uniq | wc -l14:38
Elleopopey: it'll tell us how many apps have at least one qml file (rough estimate of native QML apps)14:38
popeyElleo: 32214:39
Elleopopey: cool, thanks14:39
cwaynepopey, PING14:39
* cwayne makes his pings count14:40
popeycwayne: PONG!14:40
cwaynepopey, hey, is it generally possible to revert clicks int he store to a previously uploaded version? or does it generally need to be re-uploaded?14:40
popeycwayne: it is possible, but it's frowned upon14:41
popeycwayne: last time I pressed that button, beuno was surprised to discover its existence14:41
popeyand we broke things14:41
Elleoheh14:41
cwayneah14:42
cwaynehm14:42
Elleopresumably that'd also leave anyone who installed it with the later version, since it won't be seen as an update14:42
popeyyeah, and you have to bump past that14:42
popeyso, I'm reluctant to press that button without consulting beuno14:43
cwaynepopey, Elleo thanks, was just curious :)14:54
elopioKaleo: Elleo: we need a couple of quick reviews from you:14:59
elopiohttps://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-keyboard/fix_base_class/+merge/25764414:59
elopiohttps://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/camera-app/fix_base_class/+merge/25765814:59
kenvandineelopio, i hear the webbrowser-app has a custom test runner for running qml tests, we should do the same thing for settings15:03
kenvandineit would be much better than reorganizing our tree15:03
Elleoelopio: sure thing, will take a look in just a sec15:04
elopiokenvandine: as long as you can put the individual qml files under test, it's good for me. I would prefer everybody from your team to use the same style, but that's bonus points.15:06
kenvandinei assume that's how it works15:06
kenvandineoSoMoN_, ^^15:06
kenvandineyou can run your custom running on individual qml files?15:06
kenvandines/running/runner15:06
elopiokenvandine: can you tell more about this runner?15:07
kenvandinenot really, oSoMoN_ was telling me about it over breakfast :)15:07
kenvandinehaven't looked at it15:07
kenvandinebut he created it to solve the same type of problem15:08
oSoMoN_kenvandine, elopio: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/webbrowser-app/trunk/view/head:/tests/unittests/qml/tst_QmlTests.cpp15:08
elopiook. So the decission is yours. I just would like to understand it so I can help writing tests.15:08
kenvandinethx15:08
socialhow does one get devel images for touch device and how to install it?15:16
BeliqHey guys, can I run Ubuntu SDK on mac ?15:18
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davmor2Beliq: possibly not15:46
davmor2social: what phone15:47
socialdavmor2: bq 4.515:48
davmor2social: So you will get an automatic ota to vivid when it ready.15:49
socialdavmor2: is there a dev channel? some quckstart for devs especially system maintenance?15:51
socialdavmor2: in short I don't like some stuff on NetworkManager and I'd like to have that fixed best way usually is to grap latest devel release and start changing there15:52
davmor2social: so there is a dev channel you can use system-image --switch  command you can use to get on it15:57
davmor2social: system-image-cli --switch sorry and the channel you want15:58
socialdavmor2: for NM package (it'll take me some time to get into apt package building) I can than just build it for the device and install ?15:58
socialand in worst case I'll just reflash15:59
davmor2social: possibly best to talk to cyphermox15:59
davmor2social: there is almost certianly a ppa you can use15:59
cyphermoxsocial: you can definitely rebuild packages on the phone directly if you have enough room to install the right packages16:00
socialwell I'd prefer to build elsewhere and just set up repo16:01
cyphermoxyou could do that, but I don't think you can just build NM for armhf on any random PPA16:02
cyphermoxthough you definitely can cross-build, etc.16:02
cyphermoxsocial: if you have things you don't like and want changed, best is to file a bug about it so we all know about the issues16:02
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brunch875Hello!!16:39
cwaynebrunch875, Hello!16:39
brunch875I hope you're having an excellent and sunny day, cwayne!16:39
cwaynebrunch875, You as well!16:41
cwaynehow pleasant16:41
brunch875Ooof, ubuntu accounts are behaving badly on the desktop. I hope the issue doesn't spread to the phone.16:46
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ogra_define "behaving badly"16:48
brunch875well, on my desktop I can barely join IRC16:48
brunch875and on my laptop, gmail doesn't work16:48
ogra_IRC doesnt use any accounts from the system though16:49
ogra_sounds more like you have some network issue16:49
brunch875but that's very odd since both computers use the same net16:49
brunch875and only started happening since vivid16:50
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bqphonewhat is the best video player app for ubuntu phone? i got a video through telegram and for some reason its not opening, i get open with and i see there only gallery app17:30
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brunch875is ubot alive again?17:38
brunch875!isitoutyet17:38
ubot5Error: unresolvable <alias> to isitout-#ubuntu-release-party17:38
bqphoneanyone knows a good video app that allows you to open videos you get throught Telegram app (ubuntu phone)17:47
ogra_theoretically it should just open via the builtin mediaplayer17:49
ogra_but you probably need to take a detour through the gallery app17:49
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bqphonei cant see it in gallery to try media17:57
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Elleoelopio_: is https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-keyboard/fix1444170-flake8 also ready for review?18:21
BeliqSo the latest ubuntu touch has no home screen with the background like here http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/ubuntu-touch.jpg ?18:22
ElleoBeliq: nope, that changed quite a long time ago18:23
ElleoBeliq: all modern images have a light coloured background in the apps scope18:23
Beliq Ok, in that case is there a way to make transparent scopes ?18:24
ElleoBeliq: nope18:26
bqphoneanyone knows a good video app that allows you to open videos you get throught Telegram app (ubuntu phone)18:26
BeliqGeez, I wish I could file a issue for that....18:26
popeybqphone: i have a feeling we're missing a codec for that18:29
* popey tests sending video to himself18:29
bqphoneupdate me w hen your test is done :)18:29
popeybqphone: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libqtelegram/+bug/139495818:29
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1394958 in Media Hub "recieved videos are displayed black" [High,Incomplete]18:29
bqphonewill it be fixed when the phone update to 15.04?18:30
popeybqphone: just tested and a video I recorded on my iphone plays back fine here18:33
bqphonewell i got a video from my sis18:33
bqphonei was able to send it to someone else18:33
bqphonebut when i click open18:33
bqphonei get black screen with play button18:34
bqphonecant click on it though18:34
popeysounds like a bug18:34
bqphonehow can i report a bug?18:35
popeyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/libqtelegram/+filebug18:35
elopio_Elleo: yes, I've just added the checklist.18:35
Elleoelopio_: okay, cool; thanks18:36
bqphonesubmited thx for the help18:39
kenvandinepmcgowan, i filed bug 1450595 for that18:58
ubot5bug 1450595 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "[bluetooth] Can't disconnect an unsupported device" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145059518:59
pmcgowankenvandine, thanks19:03
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