[07:05] <extraymond> Hi! I'm pretty new to utouch, would like to know whether nexus 4 is gonna be supported in the future? Would like to buy a 2nd hand nexus 4 for development.
[07:06] <dholbach> good morning
[07:07] <extraymond> Is this the right channel to ask such question?
[07:08] <dholbach> extraymond, it is the right channel yes
[07:09] <dholbach> I don't know if there's an official answer to it, but with N4s in widespread use right now, I'd assume that it's a safe bet for quite a while
[07:09] <dholbach> especially with many of the automated tests running on N4s
[07:10] <extraymond> dholbach, Thx! That's good to know!
[07:14] <dholbach> in the worst case, you could sell it again on ebay and try to get a different one
[07:14] <dholbach> it'll be easier and easier over time with more ubuntu powered handsets getting on the market
[07:18] <extraymond> Will Nexus 7(2013) have the chance of having a longer supported life cycle? Since its newer.
[07:21]  * elfy hopes so 
[08:41] <TenLeftFingers> rsalveti: ping
[09:05] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Poem in Your Pocket Day! :-D
[09:40] <social> Anyone had luck syncing calendar with google accounts? I keep getting 400 bad request and so on
[09:42] <popey> social: known bug, fix is in progress in vivid
[09:43] <social> popey: some bug to check, I have error : no datastores active check configuration
[09:58] <TenLeftFingers> I don't see the Reminders app listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers so which package should I run unity-bug against?
[09:58] <popey> http://launchpad.net/reminders-app
[10:00] <TenLeftFingers> popey: thanks
[10:00]  * popey edits the avengers page
[10:00] <popey> well, i would if the wiki didn't 500 on me
[10:00] <TenLeftFingers> I feel special now :)
[10:01] <popey> Welcome to my world.
[10:04] <TenLeftFingers> After all that, I can't replicate the conditions for the bug right now... I went out of coverage while making a note and lost a good chunk of text. Too vague for a bug report?
[10:05] <popey> no, it should work offline
[10:05] <popey> if you can try and reproduce again that would be great
[10:06]  * davmor2 renames it avengers:assemble to see how many hits it gets :D
[10:06] <TenLeftFingers> I think it works offline, but switch while making the note causes the issue. Okay, I'll wait until I can be more specific on exactly what happened.
[10:09] <popey> thanks TenLeftFingers
[10:10] <TenLeftFingers> popey: no problem
[10:36] <asis> hey there!!
[10:36] <asis> I wanted to install Ubuntu touch in my Android Phone ... But my phone is not listed .. So what should I need to do
[10:39] <asis> hello ??
[10:42] <ahoneybun> asis: would have to port it
[10:42] <asis> I read about port .. But gets More Confused
[10:42] <asis> Any help would be appreciated :)
[10:50] <ahoneybun> asis: from what I understand if there is CyanogenMod for the phone the port is a lot more easy to do, but sadly I have no dev exp to do it
[11:08] <TenLeftFingers> Oh dear. Dekko has been "Saving to the sent folder" for a few minutes now with a rather long email. I may need to kill it. Is there some way to recover what I typed?
[11:10] <TenLeftFingers> Ah, it eventually returns and lets me copy out the text. I can live with that.
[11:18] <DanChapman> TenLeftFingers: So did it eventually just back out of the "Saving to sent folder" step? (that part has always been slightly broken IMO anyway)
[11:19] <DanChapman> But yes it should preserve the message in the composer except after successful submision or composer is closed, but you should get a prompt to save it for that.
[11:37] <TenLeftFingers> DanChapman: yes, it did preserve the message. In the past I have killed the app and lost the message because it looked like it wasn't going to return but I think I could have saved those messages too had I waited a little longer.
[11:55] <social> popey: I have found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1439554 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1442931 is there some bug on which someone is working on? I'm not familiar with launchpad :(
[12:49] <tedg> ogra_, FYI: https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/731b18e6-eeb1-11e4-a911-fa163e22e467
[12:50] <tedg> ogra_, Looks like an unset variable somewhere
[13:15] <ogra_> tedg, oh ... when did that happen ?
[13:15] <ogra_> while sharing a pic from gallery ?
[13:16] <ogra_> (clicking on the url-dispatcher part on the error tracker gets me to gallery logs)
[13:26] <extraymond> Hi! Does anyone know why I can't find those apps in uappexplorer on my emulator?
[13:27] <popey> extraymond: x86 emulator, and apps in the store are mostly armhf only
[13:27] <extraymond> Oh!! That makes sense...
[13:27] <popey> (unless they're pure qml or html5 in which case they're multi-arch)
[13:27] <popey> yeah
[13:27]  * popey pokes bzoltan  and zbenjamin about fat package building....
[13:28] <extraymond> well, I'll try setup a arm one! Thx popey!
[13:28] <popey> np
[13:28] <popey> its uber slow, the armhf emulator
[13:28] <popey> like, slow as molasses
[13:28] <zbenjamin> popey: fat package building only with qmake based projects
[13:28] <popey> do we have to migrate zbenjamin ?
[13:29] <zbenjamin> popey: alternatively you can manually package it up
[13:31] <zbenjamin> popey: so basically its, building your project manually in every chroot and then make install it all into the same directory, for example /tmp/mypackage. Then edit the manifest.json file and list the architectures you included. Last step is run click build on the /tmp/mypackage folder
[13:31] <popey> hm.
[13:31] <popey> tvoss: any chance you can reply to my mail about terminal?
[13:32] <tvoss> popey, sure, in a meeting right now. did we talk with security, yet?
[13:32] <extraymond> popey: will the emulator run faster if we get in running on rpi2 or something arm?
[13:33] <popey> tvoss: no, I can do.
[13:33] <tvoss> popey, that would help me, thx
[13:34] <popey> ok
[13:48] <trickvi_> would this be a good place to get help to add a new layout for the on screen keyboard?
[13:48] <trickvi_> (and also a bit of help with the ubuntu sdk)
[13:49]  * trickvi_ is a bit confused what irc channel is best
[13:49] <ogra_> trickvi_, for phone stuff this is the right channel
[13:50] <ogra_> trickvi_, and for the SDk and apps #ubuntu-app-devel is a good one
[13:51] <trickvi_> ogra_: ah great, I just got my phone and want to add a keyboard layout, so I've set up the Ubuntu SDK imported the bzr repo but it talks about Maliit framework being missing, but there's nothing in the docs that I can find that tell me about this Maliit framework, I guess I have to import that project as well and build it and then I can add my layout
[13:51] <trickvi_> ogra_: ok will direct SDK questions there
[13:51] <ogra_> Elleo, ^^
[13:52] <trickvi_> (first time contributor here)
[13:54] <Elleo> trickvi_: heya; building the keyboard is a bit complicated; but if you put together a layout appropriate for your language I'll see about fixing up any (non-language specific) issues with it and get it merged
[13:55] <Elleo> trickvi_: there's a couple of existing MRs that should the sort of changes needed to add a new layout, I'll dig one out for you
[13:55] <Elleo> trickvi_: this is quite a good example: https://code.launchpad.net/~simosx/ubuntu-keyboard/add-greek-layout/+merge/254248
[13:55] <trickvi_> thanks Elleo, so I should just blindly make adjustments and rely on you to guide me when I screw up ;)
[13:55] <Elleo> trickvi_: there's also some half-finished docs here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KeyboardLayouts
[13:56] <trickvi_> Elleo: that's the page I was looking for yesterday :)
[13:56] <Elleo> trickvi_: pretty much :) it's in our backlog to redesign the layout system to make it much easier to develop and test new layouts
[13:57] <trickvi_> Elleo: if I'd make an awesome MR how long would it take for it to get from today to my phone?
[13:57] <Elleo> trickvi_: really only the layout files part of that is probably of use, since the template generator was never finished
[13:57] <trickvi_> as in upstream and released
[13:57] <trickvi_> (I can probably somehow put it on my phone -- but that comes later when I've seen that I've done it correctly)
[13:59] <Elleo> trickvi_: that depends a bit on when you finish it really; we typically build up a little queue of new layouts and then review and merge them all in a big batch; I'm currently going through a batch at the moment, so if you finish your layout within the next couple of weeks it'll probably get included in this group
[13:59] <Elleo> trickvi_: after that it'll be however long between it getting merged and there being another OTA update
[14:00] <Elleo> trickvi_: so probably a couple of months on average
[14:00] <trickvi_> Elleo: I'll get this working as soon as possible :)
[14:00]  * trickvi_ is excited to be able to contribute
[14:00] <Elleo> trickvi_: once its ready for merging there will be test packages that you can install manually though (if you don't mind making your device writable)
[14:01] <cwayne> rpadovani, ping!
[14:01] <trickvi_> Elleo: I don't mind :)
[14:01] <trickvi_> but I would like to test before destroying my phone
[14:03] <Elleo> trickvi_: after the next major OTA (when the phone switches to vivid) it'll be possible to try new layouts whilst still in read-only mode, but I'm not sure exactly when that'll be
[14:03] <rpadovani> cwayne, hey :-)
[14:05] <trickvi_> OTA? acronym newbie
[14:05] <Elleo> trickvi_: oh sorry, Over The Air update
[14:07] <trickvi_> as in "phones can install an update"
[14:08] <Elleo> trickvi_: yeah, every month or two we push an update to the overall system that you can install by just pressing the "Install" button on the updates page in system settngs
[14:09] <trickvi_> right, so the icons that got lost in my last update won't get fixed until next OTA
[14:11] <jhodapp> popey, btw, updated my flo to image 186 and it boots with no issues
[14:11] <popey> jhodapp: yeah, it was my fault. apparmor taking ages to process all the 1222 apps I have installed
[14:11] <popey> sorry.
[14:11] <jhodapp> wow
[14:11] <jhodapp> good testing :)
[14:16] <Elleo> trickvi_: I don't think that's necessarily related to this OTA specifically, it hasn't happened to everyone, but I do remember someone else mentioning it; I think it has something to do with the icon cache getting messed up in some way, so it might be possible to clear that cache and get it working
[14:16] <john-mcaleely> I think a system where having apps installed stalls boot is not 'your fault' popey :-)
[14:16] <Elleo> trickvi_: I'm not sure on the details of that though, I just vaguely remember someone else talking about it in the past
[14:16] <popey> john-mcaleely: fair! I mean, I should have known what it was because I've seen that before, and we filed a bug about it.
[14:17] <Elleo> popey: is that all the apps in the store on one device?
[14:17] <john-mcaleely> popey, is it on every OTA?
[14:17] <popey> yes Elleo
[14:17] <popey> john-mcaleely: no, I don't think so, only where there's some low level change like a kernel update I think
[14:17] <popey> jdstrand: knows better (of course) what triggers an apparmor profile regenerate
[14:17] <john-mcaleely> phew. that's less terrible then
[14:18] <Elleo> popey: cool
[14:18] <john-mcaleely> still terrible
[14:18] <popey> Elleo: it stresses the system update process a bit too
[14:18] <ogra_> john-mcaleely, i blame popey for having 1222 apps installed
[14:18] <popey> doing OTA updates after a few days reveals a lot of app updates to pull in
[14:18] <popey> Wise. Who would do that!?!
[14:18] <john-mcaleely> perhaps he should only have 1221
[14:18] <popey> <- this guy
[14:18] <john-mcaleely> that would be fine
[14:18] <Elleo> heh
[14:18] <popey> i can make it 1223 if you like
[14:18] <ogra_> john-mcaleely, +1
[14:19] <john-mcaleely> argh. no more apps!
[14:19] <john-mcaleely> +1 is back 1222
[14:19] <ogra_> :D
[14:19] <popey> http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/graph_clicks.png climbing climbing....
[14:20] <john-mcaleely> what's the cwayne percentage?
[14:20] <ogra_> tedg, is there a corresponding bug to that e.u.c report ... i would really like some context
[14:21] <cwayne> john-mcaleely, just added two more this morning
[14:21] <john-mcaleely> so popey is definately out of date then
[14:21] <popey> note that some don't install because they use 15.04 framework
[14:26] <abeato> jgdx, ping
[14:27] <jgdx> abeato, pong
[14:38] <Elleo> popey: for the sake of my curiousity could you try running this on your device with all the clicks? find /opt/click.ubuntu.com/ -name *.qml | cut -d '/' -f 4 | uniq | wc -l
[14:38] <Elleo> popey: it'll tell us how many apps have at least one qml file (rough estimate of native QML apps)
[14:39] <popey> Elleo: 322
[14:39] <Elleo> popey: cool, thanks
[14:39] <cwayne> popey, PING
[14:40]  * cwayne makes his pings count
[14:40] <popey> cwayne: PONG!
[14:40] <cwayne> popey, hey, is it generally possible to revert clicks int he store to a previously uploaded version? or does it generally need to be re-uploaded?
[14:41] <popey> cwayne: it is possible, but it's frowned upon
[14:41] <popey> cwayne: last time I pressed that button, beuno was surprised to discover its existence
[14:41] <popey> and we broke things
[14:41] <Elleo> heh
[14:42] <cwayne> ah
[14:42] <cwayne> hm
[14:42] <Elleo> presumably that'd also leave anyone who installed it with the later version, since it won't be seen as an update
[14:42] <popey> yeah, and you have to bump past that
[14:43] <popey> so, I'm reluctant to press that button without consulting beuno
[14:54] <cwayne> popey, Elleo thanks, was just curious :)
[14:59] <elopio> Kaleo: Elleo: we need a couple of quick reviews from you:
[14:59] <elopio> https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-keyboard/fix_base_class/+merge/257644
[14:59] <elopio> https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/camera-app/fix_base_class/+merge/257658
[15:03] <kenvandine> elopio, i hear the webbrowser-app has a custom test runner for running qml tests, we should do the same thing for settings
[15:03] <kenvandine> it would be much better than reorganizing our tree
[15:04] <Elleo> elopio: sure thing, will take a look in just a sec
[15:06] <elopio> kenvandine: as long as you can put the individual qml files under test, it's good for me. I would prefer everybody from your team to use the same style, but that's bonus points.
[15:06] <kenvandine> i assume that's how it works
[15:06] <kenvandine> oSoMoN_, ^^
[15:06] <kenvandine> you can run your custom running on individual qml files?
[15:06] <kenvandine> s/running/runner
[15:07] <elopio> kenvandine: can you tell more about this runner?
[15:07] <kenvandine> not really, oSoMoN_ was telling me about it over breakfast :)
[15:07] <kenvandine> haven't looked at it
[15:08] <kenvandine> but he created it to solve the same type of problem
[15:08] <oSoMoN_> kenvandine, elopio: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/webbrowser-app/trunk/view/head:/tests/unittests/qml/tst_QmlTests.cpp
[15:08] <elopio> ok. So the decission is yours. I just would like to understand it so I can help writing tests.
[15:08] <kenvandine> thx
[15:16] <social> how does one get devel images for touch device and how to install it?
[15:18] <Beliq> Hey guys, can I run Ubuntu SDK on mac ?
[15:46] <davmor2> Beliq: possibly not
[15:47] <davmor2> social: what phone
[15:48] <social> davmor2: bq 4.5
[15:49] <davmor2> social: So you will get an automatic ota to vivid when it ready.
[15:51] <social> davmor2: is there a dev channel? some quckstart for devs especially system maintenance?
[15:52] <social> davmor2: in short I don't like some stuff on NetworkManager and I'd like to have that fixed best way usually is to grap latest devel release and start changing there
[15:57] <davmor2> social: so there is a dev channel you can use system-image --switch  command you can use to get on it
[15:58] <davmor2> social: system-image-cli --switch sorry and the channel you want
[15:58] <social> davmor2: for NM package (it'll take me some time to get into apt package building) I can than just build it for the device and install ?
[15:59] <social> and in worst case I'll just reflash
[15:59] <davmor2> social: possibly best to talk to cyphermox
[15:59] <davmor2> social: there is almost certianly a ppa you can use
[16:00] <cyphermox> social: you can definitely rebuild packages on the phone directly if you have enough room to install the right packages
[16:01] <social> well I'd prefer to build elsewhere and just set up repo
[16:02] <cyphermox> you could do that, but I don't think you can just build NM for armhf on any random PPA
[16:02] <cyphermox> though you definitely can cross-build, etc.
[16:02] <cyphermox> social: if you have things you don't like and want changed, best is to file a bug about it so we all know about the issues
[16:39] <brunch875> Hello!!
[16:39] <cwayne> brunch875, Hello!
[16:39] <brunch875> I hope you're having an excellent and sunny day, cwayne!
[16:41] <cwayne> brunch875, You as well!
[16:41] <cwayne> how pleasant
[16:46] <brunch875> Ooof, ubuntu accounts are behaving badly on the desktop. I hope the issue doesn't spread to the phone.
[16:48] <ogra_> define "behaving badly"
[16:48] <brunch875> well, on my desktop I can barely join IRC
[16:48] <brunch875> and on my laptop, gmail doesn't work
[16:49] <ogra_> IRC doesnt use any accounts from the system though
[16:49] <ogra_> sounds more like you have some network issue
[16:49] <brunch875> but that's very odd since both computers use the same net
[16:50] <brunch875> and only started happening since vivid
[17:30] <bqphone> what is the best video player app for ubuntu phone? i got a video through telegram and for some reason its not opening, i get open with and i see there only gallery app
[17:38] <brunch875> is ubot alive again?
[17:38] <brunch875> !isitoutyet
[17:47] <bqphone> anyone knows a good video app that allows you to open videos you get throught Telegram app (ubuntu phone)
[17:49] <ogra_> theoretically it should just open via the builtin mediaplayer
[17:49] <ogra_> but you probably need to take a detour through the gallery app
[17:57] <bqphone> i cant see it in gallery to try media
[18:21] <Elleo> elopio_: is https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-keyboard/fix1444170-flake8 also ready for review?
[18:22] <Beliq> So the latest ubuntu touch has no home screen with the background like here http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/ubuntu-touch.jpg ?
[18:23] <Elleo> Beliq: nope, that changed quite a long time ago
[18:23] <Elleo> Beliq: all modern images have a light coloured background in the apps scope
[18:24] <Beliq>  Ok, in that case is there a way to make transparent scopes ?
[18:26] <Elleo> Beliq: nope
[18:26] <bqphone> anyone knows a good video app that allows you to open videos you get throught Telegram app (ubuntu phone)
[18:26] <Beliq> Geez, I wish I could file a issue for that....
[18:29] <popey> bqphone: i have a feeling we're missing a codec for that
[18:29]  * popey tests sending video to himself
[18:29] <bqphone> update me w hen your test is done :)
[18:29] <popey> bqphone: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libqtelegram/+bug/1394958
[18:30] <bqphone> will it be fixed when the phone update to 15.04?
[18:33] <popey> bqphone: just tested and a video I recorded on my iphone plays back fine here
[18:33] <bqphone> well i got a video from my sis
[18:33] <bqphone> i was able to send it to someone else
[18:33] <bqphone> but when i click open
[18:34] <bqphone> i get black screen with play button
[18:34] <bqphone> cant click on it though
[18:34] <popey> sounds like a bug
[18:35] <bqphone> how can i report a bug?
[18:35] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/libqtelegram/+filebug
[18:35] <elopio_> Elleo: yes, I've just added the checklist.
[18:36] <Elleo> elopio_: okay, cool; thanks
[18:39] <bqphone> submited thx for the help
[18:58] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, i filed bug 1450595 for that
[19:03] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, thanks