=== Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [07:06] Morning all [07:09] morning everyone [07:11] morning all [07:15] doin an upgrade to 15.04 on the Surface pro [07:15] have been having some terrible wifi performance lately :( [07:16] been trying everything , but by the looks of it this is becoming my last option [08:37] wow facebook suddenly decided to email me twice today about some random persons birthday [08:37] i have other emails turned off [08:37] and log into to fb most days. i don't think the email is necessary! [08:43] it's a social experiment to see at what point people snap... [08:48] liekwise for amazon [08:48] trying to dial down the amount of notifications i receive, especially useless ones [08:57] anyone aware of a twitter aggregator code i can use to retweet unique tweets ? some accoutns i follow have lots of dupes and i want to see only unique tweets [08:58] Do dead projects not get removed from the repos? [08:58] Turpial hasn't had a update since 2011 yet is installable on 14.04 [08:58] Bugs haven't been answered etc [08:59] !info turpial [08:59] turpial (source: turpial): Light, fast, and fully functional Twitter client written in Python. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0+dfsg-1 (vivid), package size 340 kB, installed size 1200 kB [08:59] Is that a command :D I don't know them :) [08:59] yay [08:59] looks like teython might do it, not sure about unique [08:59] twython* [09:00] diplo: yes, if someone files a bug to have it removed [09:01] I'll work that out, do I do it just against the package ? [09:02] Github repo also not been updated in 4 years, so not just launchpad [09:02] maybe it's stable :P [09:02] but probably dead [09:02] I'd go with the latter [09:02] morning boys and girls. [09:02] i think i had that installed at one point but it stopped working when twitter started restricting number of tokens to client apps [09:03] remember gwibber? lol [09:05] Good morning all; happy Poem in Your Pocket Day! :-D [09:06] JamesTait: I'm disappointed to wear a shirt with no pockets today. [09:06] apart from a few limericks/haikus i have never enjoyed poetry [09:06] nigelb, zmoylan-pi: maybe Honesty Day is more to your taste? [09:07] * zmoylan-pi looks shifty when nodding agreement... [09:07] Or International Jazz Day? Or Oatmeal Cookie Day? [09:09] The Thursday Before Long Weekend Day. [09:10] diplo: yeah, file a bug against it, I have done this for a few apps. let me find one so you know who to ping [09:10] Anyone know anything about getting thunderbolt ports to work as a display on Ubuntu? [09:10] extra long in dublin as it looks like a bus strike on friday which will make it impossible for some to get to work [09:11] thanks popey :) [09:12] Ok, looks like it's not going to work, it's just stack dumping in the kernel logs [09:13] diplo: you know this will only remove it from 15.10 onwards, we generally don't remove packages retrospectively [09:13] (we have once or twice though) [09:13] like owncloud [09:15] Well I guess it's worth it though [09:15] As it has already been packed for vivid [09:27] JamesTait: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10950679/ [09:28] Very good, davmor2! [09:29] JamesTait: My mom read me that when I was young cause I loved trains, I still love trains and I always remember that peom :D [10:04] hody davmor2 [10:05] MooDoo: nice write up on hosting your own site [10:07] davmor2: ta, wasn't really for the tech, but just a generalisation, works for me :D [10:07] glusterfs is ace does exactly what i wanted. [10:09] so which distro are you on this week? :) [10:09] ubuntu [10:11] sticking with LTS releases though on the servers, it'll do. [10:12] found out my desktop hasn't been backed up for 2 months :S [10:12] so now it's doing a very chunky backup [10:12] chunky! :-p [10:13] last backed oup on world backup day? [10:13] 26 feb as far as I can see from the rsnapshot log [10:13] ouch [10:13] :-| [10:13] not a massive problem as I rarely use the desktop [10:13] world backup day = 31/03 [10:13] so probably only thing it will backup is updated steam games :) [10:14] yeah, i threw my desktop away/loft [10:14] oh, and my photos [10:15] mine's been booted to windows mostly recently for GTA5 [10:15] and a bit of game dev [10:16] so world system crash day is 30-03? [10:21] by definition yes [10:21] :) [10:31] Good morning peeps :) [10:41] Has anybody tried out MS's Visual Studio Code on Linux yet? [10:41] (in here) [10:41] no. And I don't intend to [10:41] ditto [10:42] what license is it under? [10:42] bigcalm: it only came out last night. yeesh :-p [10:43] Was a simple enough question :) [10:43] i heard it's just http://atom.io with some plugins [10:43] i heard this on reddit so it might be false, i dunno [10:50] hubby did [10:51] apparently the font was too small -___- ^___^ [10:52] that's what you get from buying a 4k laptop [10:53] wasn't there a complaint when last version came out that all menus were in uppercase so it was like it was shouting at you? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17413001/disable-all-caps-menu-items-in-visual-studio-2013 [10:53] it uses microsoft's monaco editor which is also embedded in the azure control panel [10:54] so I'm not sure it quite qualifies as "just atom.io with plugins" [10:55] I think that's akin to saying microsoft.com is just google chrome with html [10:55] (because I'm viewing it in chrome) [10:55] nah, microsoft.com is ie4 with notepad :-) [10:56] i shouldn't have said that this close to lunch, should i? sorry :-) [11:05] bigcalm: yeah, i tried it, in terms of downloaded, ran it, closed it :) [11:07] Myrtti: CTRL+ expands the font size === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [11:19] popey: I think he's having a problem with everything being too small, still [11:20] yeah, it's not good on those laptops [11:20] still not sure what I'm going to upgrade to when this x220 dies [11:20] tempted to just keep it and run it into the ground [11:20] just progressively put larger SSDs in it as needed [11:21] /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root 205G 159G 35G 83% / [11:21] /dev/mapper/data_crypt 235G 189G 34G 85% /home [11:21] seem to be doing okay for the moment [11:24] don't get a macbook pro [11:24] get a computer on a stick when the processor ram is too slow and remote desktop from the x220 into it :-) [11:24] they're pretty poopy for linux === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [11:27] i had a macbook pro before this x220, the mbp is now wifeys facebook machine [11:28] are thinkpads no longer made? [11:28] they are [11:28] I guess I'd need a whole new dock [11:29] only real "upgrade" I can do to this x220 is a bigger / faster SSD [11:29] this one does 5GB/s - dunno if it will go faster [11:31] popey: I can't extract the downloaded zip. Failing at the 2nd hurdle [11:31] wat [11:32] 50d4547e3617ace370f040edace6d7cd VSCode-linux-x64.zip [11:32] dunno if they updated it since yesterday [11:32] Archive manager reports: An error occurred while extracting files. [11:32] i think I just did "unzip foo.zip" [11:32] 50d4547e3617ace370f040edace6d7cd VSCode-linux-x64.zip [11:32] try unzip [11:33] Yeah, that worked [11:33] yeah, file roller fails here too [11:33] wonder why [11:48] Yep, it worked. Back to life now [11:48] Ooo, 1st night this week that I'm not doing any thing [11:48] Any Hayley is out at work until 10.30pm [11:49] GTA V with the soundbar :D [11:49] s/Any/And [11:49] s/any thing/anything [11:52] you could say... you are not doing... alot of any thing [11:52] I'll possibly be doing a lot of swearing at the computer [11:52] Oh, I do that in my day job already [11:58] google news: Interested in Sheldon Cooper? Yes/no [11:58] wut [11:59] odd. afaik sheldon is not a real person or a news item [12:00] hmm i think it is harvesting my searches for these suggestions. i once googled tina turner to find out if she is still alive, and she is in my suggested news items [12:03] bigcalm: I had a stress relieving evening last night shooting a lot of people in GTA5 [12:03] :D [12:04] for that i shoot people during ad&d games with nerf... [12:04] tip: save the assassination missions for the endgame [12:05] It's nice that if you fail missions too many times you are offered the chance to skip it (not that I have). What's amusing is that the mouse cursor then changes to a hand giving the middle finger on that screen [12:05] It took me a while to complete the Rampage mission with Trevor [12:05] and the rednecks [12:06] the rednecks wasn't too bad, took me 3 goes, found a place to back away and have them mostly in my eyeline [12:08] bigcalm: http://i.imgur.com/2tUzvNR.jpg [12:08] Nice! [12:08] i like getting diverted from one mission to others as they come up. [13:13] I think I'm going to have to play it again now [13:13] :/ [13:18] i haven't really played much GTA5 [13:18] just enough to take a couple of screenshots on new PC [13:18] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2uZBEi471o [13:18] fun [13:18] guy changed his name to Michael Green and is standing against Grant Shapps [13:18] http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/31866079871703277/7069B8C4DE0E9CDD2FEF362E72868FF48BE56442/2048x1152.resizedimage [13:59] what causes zombie processes that don't die even when reparented to init? [14:02] ali1234: that depends [14:02] ali1234: how do they appear in ps ? [14:02] [Defunct] [14:02] do you know what forked them? [14:02] have to wait until it happens again to give you any more details [14:03] what forked them? bash [14:03] I think 'defunct' is normally where the parent process didn't wait() for them? [14:03] going to try to attach a debugger [14:04] if they are marked defunct I'd bet you can't [14:04] first of all, i wrote the program and it should never terminate [14:04] your complaining that a program that shouldn't terminate hasn't terminated? [14:04] no, i'm complaining that it stops working for no reason and then can't be killed [14:04] ah [14:05] a zombie is already dead however, so it can't be killed, surely [14:05] or undead [14:05] it uses the raspberry pi camera so for all i know it is a bug in the firmware [14:07] it also uses a lot of glib timers and could be deadlocking somewhere in that [14:07] but i don't know if that would cause a zombie [14:07] what it can't do is exit the glib mainloop [14:09] oh it also uses i2c-dev [14:09] ali1234: if you can't attach gdb, the other thing you can do is look at /proc/pidnumber/stack that is a kernel backtrace [14:10] i removed all the timeouts and i2c code and with just the camera stuff it doesn't seem to crash or whatever it is doing [14:10] okay i'll check that, thanks [14:22] i have a scatter plot in gnuplot, anyone know how i can add a line of y=x to the same chart? [14:24] I think it can be done by adding another line to the plotfile [14:25] "plot x" works just on its own [14:25] doesn't get added to chart though [14:25] so something like "plot x, datafile" [14:25] however you call it, i forget the details [14:25] where datafile could just contain a couple of points [14:25] plotted with a line style [14:25] AAH [14:25] thanks, need to be on the same line [14:26] np [14:27] seems to kill imgur :P [14:29] perhaps because its not a cat [14:36] the gnuplot manual is horrific [14:40] I have used gnuplot quite a lot on various projects [14:43] they tell you about linetypes and point types but don't tell you what the different types are [15:02] daftykins: if you're around in 30 minutes, another "keynote" is happening at MS Build [15:06] where does the phrase keynote come from? [15:07] no idea [15:07] possibly from "keystone"? [15:10] the note or tone on which a key or system of tones is founded; the tonic. [15:10] The term key note comes from the practice of a cappella, often barbershop singers, playing a note before singing. The note played determines the key in which the song will be performed.[citation needed] [15:10] the main idea or central principle of a speech, program, thought, action, etc. [15:10] google confirms it [15:10] set the tone for the conference [15:12] i have a conf call, i'll miss the keynote [15:14] aww :-( [15:14] they'll record it tho [15:14] if you're lucky you can jump onto the livestream and scroll it back to the time of the keynote [15:15] directhex: You mean you can only do one conf call at once? [15:15] yes! [15:15] directhex: Week! [15:15] a [15:16] I can't multitask either - I'm good at context-switching however [15:18] you can't eat and watch tv? [15:18] diddledan: no you're not [15:18] I'm not? [15:18] why not?! [15:19] diddledan: cause I said so :D [15:19] well that's just sucky for me [15:20] foobarry: I go one further I breath, eat and watch tv, get me and multitasking skills :D [15:20] we don't need to multitask anyway we have computers for that :D [15:36] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/29177801/is-it-possible-to-create-an-xy-aka-scatter-plot-using-kibana-4 [15:36] found someone else who has my problem [15:36] no answer :( === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Hornet- is now known as Hornet === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 [18:36] diddledan: did anything fun happen? [18:37] minecraft has a new mod-creation addon for visual studio [18:37] that's about it [18:37] haha [18:37] i downloaded the 950MB MP4 of the windows 10 news one, they made it like they were going to answer some questions then added nothing [18:37] android apps and ios apps can be recompiled for windows with few if any changes [18:37] "yeah lots of people wanna know what 'free upgrade' means... so if you sign up you'll get the answer in the coming months!" [18:45] daftykins: Along with a spam email every other day [18:46] :) [18:47] diddledan: a proper mod api? [18:47] does it still use the bizarre "decompiler and spreadsheet of obfuscated method names -> human readable ones" system? [18:47] ali1234: they didn't say so, more that they're taking the already used api and providing type hinting and intellisense in visual studio [18:52] isn't "already used api" an overactive imagination? [18:52] no, there are a couple of API systems already [18:52] but they are third-party and have to figure out the decompiled, obfuscated code themselves [18:53] despite one of them maybe technically being owned by mojang now [18:54] I never figured out if mojang actually own bukkit, or just acqui-hired the contents [18:54] I mean, I thought they actually bought them, but it's been a few years, and they've never actually acted like it [18:54] ali1234: owned by mojang, would that suggest owned by Microsoft as well [18:55] Maybe not directly, but "controlled" [18:55] right [18:56] shauno: they seem to think they own it. the GPL might say otherwise, but the whole project was never really GPL compliant in the first place. the whole thing is a giant mess and nobody really knows what is going on [18:56] and it's not like they weren't warned about it either [20:40] I wonder if they'll ask my question at MS Build (channel9.msdn.com) [20:40] I requested they ask about display output on the pi [20:48] diddledan: in what way? [20:49] whether win10 IoT can drive it [20:49] the kinda answered it via someone else's question tho explaining the the ui is whatever your app displays [20:52] aww, lucid is dead :( [20:53] shauno: good riddance :-p [20:53] meanie [20:53] bit fat meanie! [20:54] I wasn't going to make it that personal :p [20:54] lol [20:54] sniff, Lucid was good to us [20:54] it's crazy that it;s 5 already [20:55] it also means a few months of having to point people to old-releases to dig their way out [20:56] (and no, not complaining, just commenting. I don't mind it being dead - the predictable release cycle has been their strongest point for me for a long time) [20:57] i find it weird i just got a new kernel on lucid just now [20:57] lol [20:58] someone forgot to tell the security guys? [20:58] seems like it [20:58] since new year when people come in with lucid problems i tell 'em, well - you can fix it and have 3 or 4 more months - or you can just put the effort into a reinstall [20:59] i've already rejigged my web server VM, so it's just this little on that runs irssi left now [20:59] hardly mission critical :D [20:59] well done :-) [21:01] *one [21:01] diddledan it can certainly drive the display [21:01] I keep getting an odd itch to redo my mailserver in docker, for no good reason other than curiousity [21:01] diddledan you get this when you boot it http://ms-iot.github.io/content/images/DefaultAppRpi2.png [21:01] "DefaultApp" [21:02] so presumably you can replace it [21:02] what it doesn't have is anything resembling a desktop [21:02] odds that someone will create one? lol [21:03] they're onto talking about .net on mac and linux [21:03] I might actually wet myself laughing if someone ports Calmira [21:04] I don;t know tht one [21:04] progman.exe replacement? [21:04] it was a replacement shell for windows, win95-style on win16 [21:04] aah [21:05] sorry, PROGMAN.EXE [21:05] what about litestep? [21:05] and it took a loooong time to die. last I looked they were trying to make win3.1 look like vista [21:05] lulstep [21:06] calmira is basically evidence that germans do have a sense of humour [21:10] hmm my brother just said he turned on an older Dell LCD and it went pop! with added burn smell [21:10] wonder if that can be remedied [21:11] only with a skip if the magic smoke was released [21:11] =] [21:11] sounds like a dead capacitor [21:11] power supply portion though perhaps [21:11] easy enough to replace, but you don't know why it died [21:11] home soldering and fixing of monitors might qualify you for darwin award [21:11] only CRTs [21:12] LCDs are nowhere near as dangerous [21:12] yeah, LCDs aren't scary. HT voltages are specific to tubes [21:12] they might still have some HV for the backlight but nothing like a CRT [21:12] less dangerous yes but i'm more worried about home repairs starting a fire than electrocuting the repairer [21:12] no more so than anything else you point a soldering iron at, really [21:13] worst that will happen is you replace the dead capacitor and the new one pops within a few days [21:13] (or possibly even less so, given the number of chinese wallwarts I've exploded) [21:15] i took apart an acer LCD once that had a really odd quirk, after a while of being on the image would bounce up and down as if it were a window blind someone was repeatedly raising and lowering [21:15] vga sync [21:15] it lost the lock to the syncpulse [21:15] wouldn't that just roll? [21:16] it was VGA only and i couldn't find a cheap replacement for the board so i gave up [21:16] i was reading about HDMI the other day... it's literally just digital VGA [21:16] has sync packets and everything [21:16] D: [21:17] nothing is buffered [21:17] hence why you can get analogue vga from the same circuitry I guess [21:17] just need a D2A [21:17] not quite, but it does mean the converters are easy to make [21:18] it's not a raw bitstream... it is packetized into lines, horizontal sync packets, and vertical sync packets [21:18] DVI and DisplayPort/Thunderbolt display lines are just HDMI in a different plug AFAICT [21:18] and audio packets, which are sent in the blanking interval [21:18] displayport is similar but not compatible [21:19] TMDS signalling for the most part yeah, different voltage in DP though i think [21:20] signalling protocols are weird [21:21] QAM ftw? [21:21] PCIe is not a million miles away either [21:21] seems everyone and his dog wants QAM [21:21] QAM is simple [21:21] it's out of phaaaaaase, maaaaan! [21:22] better invert the phase [21:22] or modulate the phase [21:22] reverse the polarity, Marty! [21:23] * diddledan_ tries to remember a quote from StarTrek that involves phase [21:23] reverse the polarity of the phase inverter? [21:23] phasers on stun? [21:23] imagine for a moment, if you will... Carlton Banks from Fresh Prince as Geordi La Forge [21:23] oh god [21:24] including the dancing? [21:24] :D [21:24] WHY [21:24] i can't see a problem with this [21:29] speaking of WHY, I appear to be watching Thunderbirds. a new version. [21:30] * zmoylan-pi watches st:voyager [21:30] shauno: live action or the CG thing? [21:30] watch thunderbirds 20x6 [21:30] i watched all of the original not long ago, this might entertain [21:30] *2086 [21:31] daftykins: CG, 'thunderbirds are go', looks like it was recorded off itv [21:31] don't tell me you obtained this through unscrupulous means, shauno !? [21:31] oh no no no [21:31] it just shows up on my xbmc box [21:31] o0 [21:32] I fear there may be some script somewhere acting nefariously though [21:32] ;[ [21:32] * ;] [21:32] anyway, it's not completely terrible, but it's .. close. and a little to ADD for my taste [21:34] flitting from one thing to another repeatedly is it? === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [21:35] it may have just been the first episode trying a bit too hard to show us all the toys [21:36] ah yes [21:36] it takes some real effort to require all 5 in one episode, and they managed to do so without making that effort [21:36] i hope it has the mandatory repeating scenes of the thunderbird launching each episode [21:37] lol, yes, 2, over and over [21:37] I have a feeling the countdown is ripped from the original too [21:38] i always felt tb1 was... irrelevent [21:38] (but sticking with the ADD theme, they seem to have cut the gaps between the counts out, if that makes sense. he doesn't sound sped up, but it's not a 5-second count, and it's missing the DUUUN camera angles between each count) [21:39] 1's just fast. his job is to get there first so he can make a failed effort & add suspense before 2 shows up and fixes it [21:48] does anyone else remember this show? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5nlh_CUWYM [21:49] not me [21:49] the english dub had the same theme music [21:50] it's basically thunderbirds rescuing dinosaurs [21:50] because that makes perfect sense :) [21:50] it was pretty awesome [21:52] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaepFVfxOcU [21:54] oh hah, they've kept some of the whackier design trends from thunderbirds. like having the flight deck on jumbos hanging off the back like a cargoship [21:55] (apparently being able to see the runway is wildly overrated) [22:30] I'm confused, is it puppets and models or cartoon? [22:30] (dinosaur patroll, I mean) [22:30] yes? [22:30] yes! [22:33] their naming is pretty .. uninventive [22:33] "carry donkey" [22:33] and "born free" [22:33] really? [22:34] it gets better/worse [22:34] "pilot, land over there" [22:34] no pointing or anything [22:39] i don't think anyone involved in the translation of this spoke japanese [22:40] and had a terrible idea of dialogue [22:40] "look, a cliff!" [22:42] I think mot things like this only survive with rose-tinted glasses. if you go back to anything 80s-90s without the nostalgia, it's just .. [22:48] I think they've recorded several soundbites and just mixed them together to form the actual dialogue [22:49] it's either that or their voice actors can't act (even as just a voice) [22:50] brilliant... a random thunderbirds style close-up of a wrist watch on a real human arm [22:50] as if the mix of cartoon and models wasn't weird enough [23:13] 5 months till my next trip [23:13] sheesh [23:13] going to uk and spain in between but they dont count:) [23:13] 7/09 -15/09 going to Ukraine [23:15] * penguin42 hands mapps a flak jacket, helmet and emergency supply of vodka for bargaining [23:15] :D [23:38] I actually thought about trying kiev this summer [23:38] mmm chicken kiev [23:40] turns out I completely underestimated 'close'. the train to the slovak border is 14 hours [23:40]