[00:50] <holstein> why call for contributors, and then, when folks try and join the contributing teams, they dont get to join?
[00:50] <holstein> that was a mailing list wide call out.. and you are getting responses
[00:52] <holstein> anyways, im sure you are communicating that to the persons trying to join.. what they need to do to prove them selves, and to whom, exactly, and why and by when
[00:54] <holstein> zequence: ^
[04:57] <zequence> holstein: Yes, I am communicating with each person
[04:58] <zequence> Set is in the contributor team, and a couple of open ones. There's no need for him to be in the dev team
[04:58] <zequence> Not yet anyway
[04:58] <zequence> We don't know if ever touched a debian package yet
[04:59] <zequence> OvenWerks: I only stopped maintaining linux-lowlatency for precise. Since trusty, linux-lowlatency has been merged with -generic
[04:59] <zequence> So, canonical are maintaining it now
[04:59] <zequence> We have a small config diff in the main kernel source for creating our package
[04:59] <zequence> Also, our own debian folder - debian.lowlatency
[04:59] <zequence> with our own control section, etc
[05:02] <zequence> holstein: We have the contributor team for a reason - so that contributors can work on source without us having to worry about them messing up our main sources
[05:03] <zequence> We have enough trouble with out own mess ups
[05:05] <zequence> Set seems like he could do well, so let's hope he continues to be interested
[05:06] <zequence> There's a lot to learn before doing any big work, as you know
[05:06] <zequence> Didn't take him long to prepare a LP account and the keys, which is a good sign
[05:07] <zequence> Ah, no he's been member since 2011
[05:07] <zequence> Well, anyway
[08:27] <zequence> OvenWerks: How about you apply to be Ubuntu member and work on getting upload rights too?
[08:27] <zequence> There are always people who can assist, but it's nicer being able to do the work yourself
[18:29] <zequence> holstein: You ever done any changes to a package or a source branch?
[18:30] <zequence> I know you wanted to learn some stuff in the past.
[18:30] <zequence> I guess you are pretty busy as is
[18:38] <zequence> !es
[18:58] <cub> Question for you who know more about packages need and so on, Kdenlive has become an offical KDE application which they inform (among other things) mean: "Since we are now based on Qt5/KF5, you NEED KDE Frameworks 5 to run Kdenlive."
[18:59] <cub> How will that affect Ubuntu Studio including Kdenlive? Will it pull in loads of KDE stuff, or "just the Framework? And what does that mean?
[19:00] <holstein> zequence: nothing that worked out.. i was working with scott on a package ages ago
[19:00] <holstein> that will not be in the scope of my contributions
[19:00] <holstein> not likely anytime in the near future, at least
[19:00] <zequence> cub: Not exactly sure, but we are already shipping qt stuff for a lot of apps. Has been mostly qt4 for a while. Guess we'll be shipping both for a while now
[19:01] <zequence> holstein: Ok. You are more than welcome to start doing it, whenever you want to.
[19:01] <zequence> It's easier when you have a clear job to do for a package of course
[19:02] <zequence> One thing I really like with this cheap atom laptop is the battery time. It's about 4h continuous use
[19:02] <holstein> i miss that with the chromebook.. it'll go for about 14 hours
[19:02] <zequence> Whoah
[19:02] <zequence> arm?
[19:03] <holstein> nope
[19:03] <holstein> one of the c720's with touchscreen
[19:03] <holstein> *if* i keep the screen dim, etc.. it really adds up
[19:03] <holstein> i have literally took my charger out of the house twice for that machine in the 2 years or whatever ive had it
[19:04] <zequence> I try to keep this screen dim, but it's harder during summer. I use dark theming a lot now, and that actually helps - as long as the text is bright enough
[19:05] <holstein> this laptop is lucky to get 6 hours
[19:05] <holstein> which, is and was impressive.. before i had the chromebook going for a while
[19:06] <zequence> 6h is a lot if you are using it continuosly
[19:06] <zequence> I get about 4h, using virtual machines, and the usual stuff
[19:06] <zequence> It doesn't sleep during that time. Not for very long, anyway
[19:07] <zequence> I'm used to 2h or less. But I haven't had a lot of laptops, and they are usually old when I get them
[19:22] <cub> I actually bought myself and iPad mini to replace laptop outside the house. Battery time is marvelous
[19:22] <cub> still, it's iOS though 
[19:22] <zequence> cub: You are seriously disappointing me now :)
[19:22] <cub> hehe
[19:23] <cub> I need Garageband on my bus travels
[19:23] <cub> no good replacement for Android there
[19:23] <zequence> Android won't work with its stock kernel, no
[19:23] <cub> not that I get to use it much anymore since my toddler learned how to use an ipad
[19:24] <zequence> It's fascinating to see how quickly they learn
[19:24] <zequence> They don't understand what they are doing, but it works, sort of
[19:24] <cub> I'll fiddle a bit later on with the latest version of Kdenlive and see how it works. They will do KDe release schedule though with new releases every 4 months
[19:25] <zequence> I guess you have all heard about the recent changes in MS as far as open source and Linux support goes?
[19:25] <cub> yeah it's strange and fascinating. My daughter is 2,5 years old and when I was talking about buying new skis (skidor)
[19:25] <zequence> I thought I recognized their latest work - MS Visual Code
[19:26] <zequence> It's based on Atom, which in turn is based on chromium
[19:26] <cub> she said daddy come look, and then pointed at the Blocket app where she had found two pairs, one for me and one for her. I was stunend.
[19:26] <cub> I saw about Visual Studio, but are they releasing more?
[19:27] <zequence> Haha
[19:28] <zequence> They are open sourcing .net and I suppose .asp, and from what I gather they are working on supporting Linux with that
[19:28] <zequence> So, would make sense if there is more to come
[19:29] <zequence> https://code.visualstudio.com/Download
[19:29] <zequence> It's not badly designed for a simple code editor, but again, based on atom - which I like
[19:29] <zequence> https://atom.io/
[19:31] <zequence> So weird
[19:32] <zequence> Wondering about the licensing actually
[19:32] <cub> exactly
[19:36] <zequence> I have to give this a try https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/04/msg00012.html
[19:45] <cub> :)
[20:34] <OvenWerks> cub: we were actually surprised at how little difference in ISO size kdenlive made.
[20:35] <OvenWerks> cub: The only thing I am not so sure is a good thing, is that after closing kdenlive, the KDE framework does not go away. It keeps running/using memory.
[20:36] <cub> OvenWerks, which kdenlive version did make it into 15.04?
[20:36] <OvenWerks> It makes me wonder how manu other apps leave things alive in memory after use
[20:36] <OvenWerks> cub: I am not sure... I would have to reboot I think to find out.
[20:37] <cub> OvenWerks, that sounds bad. I need to compare memory usage with 0.9.10 and the 15.04.01
[20:37] <cub> no worries, I'll check it on my installation later on
[20:40] <OvenWerks> cub there is (of course) no visual indicator that the KDE frame work is running, it is just through using ps that I noticed it.
[20:41] <cub> mhm they assume you run KDE anyhow and will need it running
[20:41] <cub> Lightworks have still not released the promised open source version, but if/when they do it will be an interesting application
[20:42] <OvenWerks> yes. I don't know if it would be easy to add a wrapper to shut it off after.
[20:42] <cub> but wait, OvenWerks did you run Kdenlive in the US 15.04?
[20:42] <OvenWerks> I have not done that no.
[20:42] <cub> aha ok
[20:44] <cub> Anyhow, time for bed, g'nite all!