[00:29] Riddell: did you get any of those messages on Hangout? [05:31] Anybody who might know when the next sddm updates are due? Current kubuntu 15.04 has been quite buggy for me, and though I have workarounds for most of the heavy problems, booting my machine gives me a black screen 9 out of 10 times (gotta drop to text console, restart sddm, restart sddm, 10x till I get the login screen) and thats.. anoying :) Just wondering when an update might be expected === blubberbop is now known as phoenixz === serverhamster is now known as alvin [08:10] happy May day, may the proletariat rise up against the bourgoisie [08:33] Good morning. === aaron__ is now known as ahoneybun [11:39] Riddell, sgclark: this 2 packages are marked to be removed now in apps: libktpotrprivate8 libmarblewidget20 [11:52] Hey all === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [12:32] BluesKaj: you are sudo lover i think so please read: https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/fXjVF9UZ2kF:) [12:34] Don't all those problems go away if you kdesudo? And yes, I did forget once, when I sudo nano filename. Then thought better of it, hit up-arrow and changed nano to kate. [12:44] sudo for the the cli, kdesudo for gui root permissions, so how else does one edit files and save the changes ? [12:44] soee_, ^ [13:07] BluesKaj: what files exactly ? [13:08] i think this bug wont happen if you edit some files outside your home [13:08] or maybe it might .. [13:08] hmm im not sure what cache exactly is saved in your home .cache [13:19] The way I read the sudo G+ posts, it does not sound like a bug to me, but a way of safeguarding users who forget this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo#Graphical_sudo [13:27] soee_, idon't see anything in cache pertaining to any files I edit with kdesudo or sudo, like the sources.list etc [13:46] BluesKaj: sudo nano? [13:46] lordievader, nope, kdesudo kate in krunner [13:47] BluesKaj: I thought you were asking for a way to edit files as root... that is one way. [13:48] suppose I could use nano , now that the fonts are so small on the toolbars it's hard to find the save button === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - 10 years of friendlyness | Applications 15.04 Status http://goo.gl/JnVN6h https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas | plasma 5.3 http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.3.0_vivid.html | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | 15.04 is out - release the plasma! | Reviews: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10914818/ | http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/ === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - 10 years of friendlyness | Applications 15.04 Status http://goo.gl/JnVN6h https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas | plasma 5.3 http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.3.0_vivid.html | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22508/kubuntu-kickoff/ Wed 6th 19:00UTC [18:47] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22508/kubuntu-kickoff/ Wed 6th 19:00UTC [18:47] meeting [18:56] * ahoneybun needs to call for wednesday off lol [18:57] oh I can make it without taking off work :) [18:59] 20:00 cet ? [19:00] Riddell: can you touch a bit this calligra that fails to biuld ? === blubberbop is now known as phoenixz === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work [22:05] suggestions welcome https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-community-team/2015-May/000422.html [22:08] not a ML I'm subscribed to [22:09] Riddell: also, all I've heard back on that issue is that Canonical is working with the SFLC to figure something out [22:09] you can quote me on that if you want to [22:09] shadeslayer: delaying games stop being fun after a while [22:10] indeed [22:10] been a year and a half now [22:13] Riddell: thank you for a very clear and non-emotional statement of the problem [22:14] Riddell: there, done [22:14] * shadeslayer jumps into the frying pot [22:15] lol [22:15] usually said as "frying pan" [22:15] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-community-team/2015-May/000424.html [22:15] no frying pan can fit a human [22:15] but I guess deep-fat frying is done in a pot [22:16] have you seen how shallow frying pans are >.> [22:16] not even a VS model can fit on there [22:16] yes, I've been cooking since I was like 5 [22:16] even then I couldn't have fit [22:16] :P [22:17] valorie: we came up with the idea of sending your book on a tour around the world [22:17] at Akademy [22:17] which book? [22:17] Shadow of the Wind [22:17] ah [22:17] good idea! [22:17] maybe give it to someone from India [22:17] or like, !Europe [22:17] right [22:18] could become a thing [22:18] it's so nice to see you active in channel, rohan [22:19] <3 [22:19] I miss you [22:19] <3 [22:19] coming to Akademy? [22:19] yeah, I've been hiding in other channels [22:19] and then when I get home, I don't really want to hang around on IRC [22:19] valorie: ofcourse [22:19] cool [22:19] possibly even giving a talk [22:19] excellent! [22:19] if vHanda accepts my proposal [22:20] valorie: with sitter [22:20] Riddell: http://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/contact-us [22:20] oh good, you talked him into attending [22:20] that looks funsie [22:20] valorie: talked? hah [22:20] valorie: he 'volunteered' [22:20] ;) [22:20] well, strong-armed then [22:23] hi stevesss1, can you restate here? [22:23] kubuntu is not compatible with mysql-5.6 due to akonadi-server and akonadi-backend-mysql version requirement issues [22:23] all of kde(most of it at least) requires akonadi-server [22:23] akonadi-server can work with akonadi-backend-sqlite and akonadi-backend-postgresql so akonadi-backend-mysql shoudlnt be required [22:24] akonadi-backend-mysql can 99% likely work with mysql-server-core-5.6 instead of 5.5 [22:24] same for mysql-client-core-5.6 [22:24] mysql-server-core-5.6 says it replaces 5.5 as does mysql-client-core-5.6 [22:24] somehow akonadi-backend-myql doesnt honor this [22:25] I beleive this to be a packaging error [22:25] I edited the akonadi-backend-mysql control file in its deb, to allow for 5.6 as an alternative [22:25] kind of , but not really [22:25] there was a thread about it on Kubuntu Devel [22:26] so by force-removing that dpend part of kde may be broken for me? [22:26] got a link to the thread? [22:27] stevesss1: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2015-April/009468.html [22:28] stevesss1: this is in vivid? [22:28] trusty.. but shoudl test on vivid [22:29] maybe me fixing it for just me is good for now.. and let future ubuntu versions have a method to let a user choose what backend they want to use [22:29] and have it allow more choices [22:29] stevesss1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/akonadi/+bug/1336005 [22:29] Launchpad bug 1336005 in akonadi (Ubuntu Trusty) "akonadi-server too dependent on MySQL and prevent percona instalation" [Medium,Triaged] [22:29] potentially fixed in vivid [22:31] if I give a modified control file for the deb package that allows the user to choose from a list of valid backends using the debian depends | (OR) statements [22:31] can you test that and update? [22:32] I migth want to change akonadi-server to allow multiple backends and give a choice [22:32] and install/removal of any of them(unless its a first time backend install) to warn before proceeding that there is no auto data transfer between backends [22:32] so if I install akonadi-backend-sqlite first time and have no other backedns.... no warning.... [22:33] stevesss1: the problem I see with that is that it is an intrusive change [22:33] if I install second backend or remove a backend I get data transfer warning [22:33] and should be done upstream [22:33] for ubuntu? [22:33] no, for akonadi [22:33] do they maintain apt archives? [22:33] downstream patches are ugh [22:33] or apt repoistories? [22:33] no [22:33] its somethign for the package maintainer to fix [22:34] they maintain their own package, which should allow for this, right? [22:34] ubuntu makes the deb files and the bug is with packaging [22:34] I dont think they maintain one for ubuntu [22:34] but I can ask [22:36] no, there should be no need to maintain anything for one distro [22:36] that's my point [22:36] our packaging should not need patching [22:36] it shouldnt but it often does [22:37] maybe the bug is it doesnt honor that mysql-server-core-5.6 says it replaces mysql-server-core-5.5 [22:37] that might be an aptitude/dpkg bug [22:38] if A replaces B(and states so in deb package info).... and C requires B.. then C should accept A [22:38] well, I'm not a packager or coder, which is why I wanted you to bring the issue in here, where the experts live [22:38] we'll see what happens [22:39] stevesss1: again, have you checked if this happens in vivid? [23:23] shadeslayer: we only have 5.6 in vivid, and no, it doesn't [23:23] yofel: so it's fixed \o/ [23:23] stevesss1: ^^ [23:24] stevesss1: the reason why mysql is a hard dep, is that akonadi defaults to it. So if a random e.g. xubuntu users installs kmail, akonadi will be installed expecting to use mysql [23:25] so if apt chooses some other backend other than mysql for whatever reason, akonadi simply says it's broken and can't work [23:25] and there's not really any other sane way to solve this on a packaging level [23:27] stevesss1: FWIW, yes, you're right, the mysql version deps should be fixed in trusty. I didn't get around to do that yet [23:29] Just experienced a crash after unlocking the display; it started in Konversation but the exception thrown was from kdeinit5. I couldn't report the bug because kdeinit5 has no bug reporting address? [23:29] 15.04 w/5.3 PPA [23:30] hmmm, I've heard this one before [23:30] I tried to restabilize everything by rerunning plasmashell and kwin_x11 but it eventually just logged me out [23:30] Etriaph: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kinit/+bug/1411259 [23:30] I saw that "no bug address" thing mysql, no idea what that's about [23:31] Launchpad bug 1407152 in gnome-keyring (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1411259 Can't log out from Plasma session with SDDM" [Critical,Fix released] [23:31] s/mysql/myself [23:31] I should be sleeping really... [23:31] What's your local time? [23:31] 01:30AM [23:32] Yup, time for nappy [23:33] I wasn't trying to logout, though. [23:33] I locked my screen, came back and unlocked it. As soon as Konversation took focus the shell and the window manager died [23:33] "kdeinit5 crashes on logout and log in screen never loads " [23:34] Is the lock screen SDDM? [23:34] https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/506850-kdeinit5-crash-You-cannot-report-this-error! [23:34] no, lock screen is part of kwin [23:35] niters yofel, sweet dreams [23:35] I can successfully logout sometimes. [23:36] I've not experienced this, but I've seen others report it in #kubuntu and #kde [23:36] *nods* I have too, I just wish I could report it. [23:37] How do we get a reporting address for kdeinit5 configured? [23:37] It should go to kdelibs yes? [23:40] might be good to ask in #kde-devel where those experts live [23:40] valorie: Cool, I'll let you know what I learn [23:41] valorie: But it's software, not packaging yes, those reporting locations? [23:41] well, I'm there too [23:41] lol [23:41] yes [23:41] Cool, let's see who bites :D