[00:01] <Fleck> http://imgur.com/RbF38Mi << seems like many KDE apps have problems with kio... gwenview also in the list, can't use browse after upgrade to KDE Plasma... ideas?
[00:06] <dos> ping
[00:47] <ahoneybun> I think this link should be in the channel topic somewhere http://everytimezone.com/
[00:48] <codebrainz> hi. is it possible to downgrade plasma-desktop to kde-plasma-desktop on 15.04?
[00:51] <Unit193> * Remove kde-standard, kde-full, kde-plasma-desktop and kde-plasma-netbook metapackages, kubuntu has its own meta packages
[00:51] <codebrainz> Not sure if it matters, but I think I'm using Xubuntu
[00:52] <codebrainz> I have a number of DEs installed, but I think the iso was for xubuntu originally
[00:53] <Unit193> codebrainz: cat /var/log/installer/ (can't remember the file) will say.  But, what exactly is it you're looking for?
[00:54] <codebrainz> when I was using 14.04 it had a different KDE, this new one is slick but it has some bugs that make it not usable for me, so I want to go back to the older KDE (4?)
[00:55] <gunndawg> codebrainz: I agree, so I went back to 14.04
[00:55] <codebrainz> can ubuntu downgrade?
[00:55] <codebrainz> or you re-installed?
[00:56] <Unit193> codebrainz: You can not downgrade, no.
[00:57] <codebrainz> bummer. I've had this install since like 11.04
[00:57] <gunndawg> codebrainz: creating backup images is wise
[00:57] <Unit193> cat /var/log/installer/media-info  to know for sure when it was. :P
[00:58] <codebrainz> neat. Xubuntu 12.10 "Quantal Quetzal"
[00:58] <codebrainz> i think that's when I bought my SSD :)
[01:02] <ahoneybun> cat /etc/lsb-release?
[01:03] <codebrainz> me?
[02:04] <est31> Hi there, I have some performance problems caused by plasma-desktop while idling: http://pasteboard.co/7Qkql9j.png
[02:04] <est31> can anybody help?
[02:06] <martin____> Hello! Is someone there?
[02:06] <est31> yea, hi martin____!
[02:15] <Zerkalerka> Hey guys, even after setting my external monitor from my laptop as primary.. I notice whenever I reboot windows default to open on my laptop screen vs external HDMI..is there somewhere to fix that?
[02:15] <hhypest> Hey
[02:16] <hhypest> Русские тут бывают?
[02:16] <Unit193> !ru | hhypest
[02:30] <Etriaph> valorie: The dolphing bug I reported turned out to be a duplicate of this https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345174
[02:30] <Etriaph> valorie: Fixed in 4.14.8 and 15.04.1
[02:30] <Etriaph> Just have to wait for that to trickle down
[02:33] <Etriaph> Also, if anyone has been a little annoyed at that bug in Dolphin, until a patch hits, you can still create a 'Places' entry.
[02:34] <Etriaph> Workaround:  Create a 'Places' entry in an open dialog in any application but set it so it's not specific to that application and it'll be shown in Dolphin
[02:46] <N3X15_> http://i.imgur.com/z4FaCkO.png I have a zombie locking up fuse, and even though it's sitting under init, it refuses to be reaped.  Any ideas how to resolve this beyond rebooting?
[03:10] <Etriaph> The only thing you can try to do is kill the parent PID
[03:11] <Etriaph> Looking at the parent, it looks like it might log you out though
[03:42] <stdin[]> I have a loosely kubuntu question... so in systemsettings in kubuntu I can change font rendering settings, however in other ubuntu spins if I install systemsettings it's missing font and even qt theme options
[03:43] <stdin[]> this seems to be a packaging issue, which 14.04 does not have
[03:43] <stdin[]> (on 15.04)
[03:48] <blubberbop> Plasma desktop is completely unresponsive, how can I restart it? Taskbar at bottom responds to neither mouse or whatever, doesn't update either (clock shows time of 3 hours ago).. In KDE4 I could plasma-desktop but that no longer appears to be working
[03:50] <est31> interesting I have that too
[03:50] <est31> cool thing this plasma-desktop
[03:50] <Zerkalerka> blubberbop: what version of plasma do you have
[03:51] <gunndawg> And this is why I went back to 14.04 after a few days of fussing with 15.04. Just not ready for my system I guess
[03:51] <est31> it happened since 14.10
[03:53] <stdin[]> Can someone with a 15.04 install of kubuntu tell me what package lets me config font rendering in systemsettings?
[03:54] <espinaferoz> que de bueno por aqui???
[03:55] <Unit193> !es | espinaferoz
[03:57] <espinaferoz> ok
[03:57] <Etriaph> stdin[]: I think it's kde-base, but let me confirm.
[04:04] <Etriaph> stdin[]: It's a package called systemsettings
[04:04] <Etriaph> If you have it installed you can: sudo dpkg-query -L systemsettings
[04:05] <stdin[]> I installed systemsettings and it has only two options: desktop behavior and network settings
[04:05] <stdin[]> font/theme settings are not here, however when I install systemsettings in 14.04 they are there
[04:07] <stdin[]> so there's a dep one would normally expect to be installed, not being
[04:07] <Etriaph> Are you on 15.04 with the 5.3 PPA or 15.04 plain
[04:07] <stdin[]> plain 15.04
[04:07] <Etriaph> OK, my system is different from yours then.
[04:07] <Etriaph> Things are fairly stable with the 5.3 PPA
[04:07] <stdin[]> hmm
[04:07] <Etriaph> I'm not recommending that you use it
[04:08] <Etriaph> But it'd be interesting to see if it fixes the problem.
[04:09] <Etriaph> I've never been without Font configuration since 15.04 beta.
[04:10] <stdin[]> where's the ppa?
[04:10] <Etriaph> The file you're looking for is /usr/share/kservices5/settings-appearance-font.desktop I would bet
[04:10] <Etriaph> Look in that folder to see what you have there.
[04:10] <Etriaph> Finding the PPA
[04:11] <Etriaph> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[04:11] <stdin[]> ya, that file is not there
[04:11] <stdin[]> gonna add ppa
[04:12] <Etriaph> I'll see if I can figure out which package provides it, give me a bit
[04:13] <stdin[]> whatever it is, it totally needs to be re-added as a dep as without noone uses a non-kubuntu won't get font control in systemsettings
[04:14] <Etriaph> stdin[]: Check this out: https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/plasma-desktop_4:5.2.0-1.html
[04:14] <Etriaph> Look at the packages list.
[04:14] <Etriaph> I'm assuming you have plasma-desktop installed, there are other packages there that may be of interest.
[04:15] <Etriaph> libkfontinst5 libkfontinstui5 plasma-desktop-data in particular.
[04:15] <stdin[]> i added the first two but not the third, will do
[04:16] <stdin[]> none of those 3 are a systemsettings dep in vanilla 15.04
[04:16] <stdin[]> the first two make sense if you're on a gtk desktop, but the third...
[04:17] <stdin[]> (by make sense I mean, you'd already have control of that)
[04:17] <Etriaph> Well it's a dep in Debian, I don't know how the packaging translates to Ubuntu.
[04:18] <Etriaph> Have you tried reinstalling systemsettings?
[04:19] <stdin[]> damnit
[04:20] <stdin[]> ok so when i add plasma-desktop-data all of the missing systemsettings options are now here
[04:20] <stdin[]> but if i open one
[04:20] <stdin[]> the shared library was not found
[04:20] <stdin[]> so more missing deps
[04:21] <stdin[]> libkfontinst5 libkfontinstui5 plasma-desktop-data systemsettings installed
[04:21] <Etriaph> So you see the options, but they are unusable?
[04:22] <stdin[]> let me look at stderr
[04:22] <stdin[]> Error loading plugin "kcm_fonts" "The shared library was not found."
[04:22] <stdin[]> Plugin search paths are ("/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins", "/usr/bin")
[04:22] <stdin[]> The environment variable QT_PLUGIN_PATH might be not correctly set
[04:22] <stdin[]> Error loading plugin: "The shared library was not found."
[04:23] <stdin[]> (i'm on the ppa now btw)
[04:23] <Etriaph> Have you done a: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[04:23] <stdin[]> just tried, 0 things to change
[04:24] <stdin[]> soo, have to find the package that has kcm_fonts now...
[04:25] <stdin[]> ugh it's in plasma-desktop
[04:26] <stdin[]> WOW REALLY 164 packages jsut so I can change qt font rendering
[04:26] <stdin[]> in 14.04 i only needed 5
[04:26] <stdin[]> now I need a total of 200+ :-/
[04:27] <Etriaph> Well it's updating many packages, but you were likely missing them.
[04:27] <est31> perhaps a new qt version?
[04:27] <N3X15_> 15.04 is just so broken.
[04:27] <Etriaph> My 15.04 desktop is as stable as my KDE 4 desktop was in 14.04
[04:28] <N3X15_> Apparently, you haven't tried changing themes.
[04:28] <Etriaph> There were some bumps and bruises, but it was only for about 3 days during the beta.
[04:28] <N3X15_> Breeze dark gives you a white-on-white taskbar, for instance.
[04:28] <stdin[]> plasma 5 is misssing the oxygen settings for removing the side borders to a window :-/
[04:28] <Etriaph> Not for me.
[04:28] <N3X15_> Lucky you.  Lots of unanswered questions on askubuntu and the like
[04:28] <Etriaph> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1422687/breeze_dark.png
[04:29] <Etriaph> I did *not* upgrade though.
[04:29] <stdin[]> my xfce and kde desktops looks the same lol i even use dolphin on both
[04:29] <Etriaph> 15.04 is also considered "experimental"
[04:31] <stdin[]> I wish Ubuntu just went annual
[04:31] <stdin[]> 8 months is awkward
[04:32] <N3X15_> http://i.imgur.com/Zn8HWF4.png @ Etriaph, and it's not experimental.  14.0x is LTS now
[04:32] <Etriaph> I know that others are having issues.
[04:33] <N3X15_> I upgraded, but also completely removed .kde and .config to rebuild my settings from scratch
[04:33] <Etriaph> But my experience has been that it's working fairly well.
[04:33] <stdin[]> AND FINALLY it works, I can control fonts
[04:33] <Etriaph> stdin[]: Grats :D
[04:33] <stdin[]> Only took 200 packages and 300MB
[04:33] <stdin[]> to change 1 setting :-/
[04:33] <muh2000> hi all
[04:34] <Etriaph> I think you just needed to get updated versions of everything stdin[]
[04:34] <muh2000> is there a way to start the upgrade process without having to type in the password?!?
[04:34] <N3X15_> And my experience has been it's more broken than Redhat 7.
[04:34] <Etriaph> stdin[]: Now do a sudo apt-get autoremove just to clean out anything that may still be around.
[04:34] <Etriaph> N3X15_: You had me at RedHat
[04:35] <stdin[]> Etriaph: no, you see in 14.04 the font control library was a standalone thing, now it's part of the plasma-desktop
[04:35] <Etriaph> stdin[]: It's consolidation of concern, imo.  It's nice that the environment and the display server are working more closely together.
[04:36] <Etriaph> I remember running KDE 1 back in the day, running my desktop with startx
[04:36] <stdin[]> Etriaph: when they re org'd the packages tehy forgot about things like "what if a non-kde needs this"
[04:37] <stdin[]> Most of the changes are good but some things mean you have to pull almost all of KDE just for a few simple qt settings
[04:37] <Etriaph> My font settings affect anything run in Xorg that uses AA
[04:37] <stdin[]> I run without AA, soooo shart on high res high dpi
[04:37] <stdin[]> sharp*
[04:38] <Etriaph> I use slight vertical RGB
[04:38] <Etriaph> 1920x1080
[04:38] <stdin[]> ya at 1080 i run full hint, at 2600 i run raw, no aa or hint, mm pixels
[04:40] <Etriaph> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1422687/breeze_light.png Slight is a little easier to read than full I find
[04:41] <stdin[]> ya that looks good
[04:41] <Etriaph> I find full is a little much.
[04:42] <stdin[]> the type of LCD has a big effect
[04:42] <gunndawg> how do you adjust the RGB settings? I forgot
[04:42] <Etriaph> RGB settings?
[04:43] <Etriaph> stdin[]: LED 21" for me
[04:43] <gunndawg> Meant to say AA, not RGB
[04:43] <stdin[]> LED = LCD with LED backlight
[04:43] <Etriaph> gunndawg: System Settings - Fonts
[04:43] <N3X15_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/breeze/+bug/1415644
[04:43] <Etriaph> stdin[]: And very crisp definition over HDMI
[04:43] <N3X15_> Seems to be an issue with graphics drivers.  No workaround.
[04:44] <stdin[]> AMD FINALLY MAKING GOOD DRIVERS
[04:44] <stdin[]> The 280 and above are getting the next-gen ones
[04:45] <Etriaph> I'm on Nvidia here, for others who may be having issues
[04:45] <Etriaph> 750 GTX
[04:45] <stdin[]> nvidia has great linux drivers, but only the closed ones
[04:46] <stdin[]> closed = useless
[04:46] <Etriaph> Well playing games on my Linux desktop is a blast.
[04:46] <N3X15_> It's a  virtualbox having the issies.
[04:46] <stdin[]> on amd you can play Metro/L4D2 on the open and closed ones :)
[04:46] <N3X15_> *issues
[04:46] <stdin[]> Linux has more games than console ayyyy lmao
[04:47] <Etriaph> I play L4D2, CS:S, Half-Life 2, Don't Starve, Civ V, Borderlands 2
[04:47] <Etriaph> Usually with better performance than Windows 7 :D
[04:48] <N3X15_> Yeah, I'd like to switch to Linux someday, but I do a lot of windows development work.
[04:48] <Etriaph> N3X15_: What kind of development?
[04:48] <N3X15_> I wrote the plugin system for Kerbal Space Program, for instance.
[04:48] <stdin[]> Windows in VMWare or KVM works perfectly
[04:48] <stdin[]> Virtualbox is ok but useless at 3D
[04:49] <Etriaph> N3X15_: Ah, that's interesting :D
[04:49] <N3X15_> Yeah.  Don't have enough money for VMWare or I'd use it.
[04:50] <Etriaph> I've done all kinds of development since I started in the late 90s
[04:50] <Etriaph> Recently it's Ruby on Rails
[04:50] <N3X15_> My current project is trying to integrate tup with CMake.
[04:50] <N3X15_> It's not going well.
[04:51] <N3X15_> Something causes it to turn into a unreapable zombie process and lock up fuse.
[04:52] <stdin[]> best kde software: kdevelop, kate, dolphin
[04:52] <N3X15_> I've been using atom lately.
[04:52] <stdin[]> In a vim vs emacs argument I say i use kate and they get angry U NUB
[04:53] <Etriaph> Kate, dolphin, Basket, Konsole, Yakuake, Krita, Kontact
[04:54] <Etriaph> I use Choqok too, but it's kinda meh atm
[04:56] <Etriaph> Sometimes I do prefer vi
[04:56] <Etriaph> Emacs I haven't used in about 10 years.
[04:57] <stdin[]> LXQt + kde software = yum
[04:57] <stdin[]> For those who like very minimal desktops...
[04:59] <N3X15_> Aaaand I figured out the issue with tup.  strcmp vs. strlen :V
[05:00] <stdin[]> I always forget is strcmp stops at the null or continues comparing the rest of the array
[05:01] <Etriaph> N3X15_: That tends to cause problems :D
[05:10] <blubberbop> I'm on 15.04, updated as far as possible.. Plasma desktop is completely unresponsive, how can I restart it? Taskbar at bottom responds to neither mouse or whatever, doesn't update either (clock shows time of 3 hours ago).. In KDE4 I could plasma-desktop but that no longer appears to be working
[05:17] <Etriaph> blubberbop: Kill the process 'startkde'
[05:17] <Etriaph> It'll log you out.
[05:17] <Etriaph> If you do: ps auxw | grep startkde
[05:17] <Etriaph> The first process owned by root, kill that.
[05:17] <stdin[]> blubberbop: what graphics driver? nouveau breaks on me
[05:24] <blubberbop> Etriaph: I do not want to have to logout, then I can just as well reboot..  Isn't there (like with KDE4) a way to just restart plasma? kwin is very buggy as well and crashes regularly, but I can kwin_x11 --replace and continue working without reboot
[05:24] <blubberbop> I'm looking for a non-reboot option here, and logging out is practically the same
[05:24] <Etriaph> You can stop plasmashell and manually run it again
[05:24] <blubberbop> I have an nvidia card, using an official nvidia driver
[05:24] <Etriaph> As do I.
[05:26] <blubberbop> By the way, not sure if its KDE or Kubuntu, but woah, it is VERY VERY unstable..  Worst distro version I've ever installed.. If I go CTRL-SHIFT-F1 to text console, then back, the entire screen is a complete mess with pieces of windows and images flying over eachother, and I have to reboot.. kwin crashes nearly always at login.. plasma freezes regularly.. Many of my stored settings are gone upon reboot, etc..
[05:26] <blubberbop> Etriaph: How would I stop and start the plasma shell?
[05:27] <blubberbop> Etriaph: ah, I fould "plasmashell"
[05:27] <blubberbop> I can just kill that process and restart it?
[05:27] <Etriaph> Yup
[05:27] <Etriaph> Should be safe to do
[05:27] <Etriaph> But if it's another process causing the unresponsive behavior that isn't plasmashell, you may experience it agian
[05:27] <Etriaph> s/agian/again
[05:29] <valorie> reading up, I notice that people are still using `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade`
[05:29] <valorie> much better to use `sudo apt full-upgrade` which will autoremove when necessary
[05:31] <Etriaph> valorie: Ah, good tip
[05:31] <valorie> it still sounds scary, but it works really well
[05:32] <Etriaph> To make an omelet..
[05:32] <Etriaph> Or omelette rather :D
[05:33] <Etriaph> valorie: Did you see my messages about dolphin?
[05:34] <Etriaph> valorie: I'd like to get you to test a workaround I've found, if you're up for it, not a crazy process.
[05:35] <valorie> yes, also I got the emails from bko
[05:35] <Etriaph> Just a matter of waiting for those patches to end up in the repos
[05:35] <valorie> I read the workaround in the comments but didn't really understand what they are talking about
[05:38] <Etriaph> valorie: If you create a 'Place' in an open file dialog and uncheck the box to only show in that application (whichever app you ran) it'll save globally and show up in dolphin
[05:38] <Etriaph> So if you used Krita (which is what I used to do it) you can setup places in that app that show up in dolphin
[05:38] <valorie> but *what* "open file dialog"?
[05:39] <Etriaph> Run a KDE 4 app and select File -> Open
[05:39] <valorie> like in Kate?
[05:39] <Etriaph> The file selection dialog that opens
[05:39] <Etriaph> I don't know if it'll work for kate, it's kf5
[05:39] <Etriaph> dolphin is still kde 4
[05:39] <valorie> right
[05:39] <Etriaph> You could try it though
[05:39] <valorie> maybe in ktorrent, I know that is kde4
[05:40] <Etriaph> Yup, that's a good option
[05:40] <Etriaph> Amarok too maybe, I think it's kde 4
[05:40] <Etriaph> Yup, still kde 4 for amarok
[05:41] <valorie> seems to have worked
[05:41] <valorie> reopening dolphin, still there
[05:41] <valorie> that would have saved me some time last weekend
[05:42] <Etriaph> *nods* Me too, been aching to have that feature back.
[05:45] <blubberbop> valorie: I upgraded 14.10 > 15.04 using muon, and well, I can recommend not upgrading that one.. The upgrade hung half way, I finished it with dpkg --configure -a, all appeared to finish correctly, I rebooted and had a dead machine, apparently due to systemd.. I needed to do a clean install to get something functional, though be it barely, because 15.04 so far has been the most unstable of all versions of kubuntu so far :( got a long long list of
[05:45] <blubberbop> problems
[05:46] <valorie> blubberbop: I did the same on two other systems and it went flawlessly
[05:46] <valorie> this box got a clean install
[05:46] <valorie> blubberbop: have you been filing bug reports?
[05:46] <valorie> I have personally found it very stable on even my very old slow tiny netbook (atom)
[05:47] <valorie> all I'm missing is a few of my old favorite plasmoids
[05:47] <valorie> pastebin in particular
[05:47] <valorie> but also weather
[05:47] <blubberbop> valorie: I've lost 2 working days due to my naive thinking I could do an upgrade and continue working, even the clean reinstall has been hard to keep "up", so I've been a bit busy with keeping up with work, but tomorrow i'll file bugs for the issues I have
[05:47] <Etriaph> valorie: amen on pastebin :D
[05:48] <valorie> thank you, I appreciate that
[05:48] <blubberbop> valorie: kwin crashes right after login, always.. plasma freezes regularly, but right now I know how to restart both of them without having to reboot or logout so thats okay
[05:48] <Etriaph> blubberbop: Sounds like something strange went on with your install.
[05:48] <Etriaph> blubberbop: Are you using the 5.3 ppa?
[05:48] <blubberbop> valorie: Bigger issue though is sddm booting into a black screen.. gotta drop to text shell, then systemctl restart sddm.service like 10 times before I finally see the sddm login screen
[05:49] <valorie> blubberbop: are you using nvidia?
[05:49] <Etriaph> blubberbop: That's some of the behavior I had in beta 2
[05:49] <blubberbop> Etriaph: I did a clean install, did not install any PPA yet.. IF there is a PPA that can make a safe upgrade to a newer KDE5, I'm ALL ears!
[05:49] <valorie> blubberbop: please try `systemctl restore sddm` next time
[05:49] <blubberbop> valorie: nvidia, yeah
[05:49] <blubberbop> valorie: thanks, will try that
[05:49] <valorie> nvidia seems cursed lately
[05:50] <Etriaph> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5.3
[05:50] <valorie> I feel lucky to have intel
[05:50] <blubberbop> valorie: also, if I go to text console CTRL-ALT-F1, then back to KDE, my screen looks like a jigsaw puzzle nightmare of pieces of screens flowing over eachother, and I have to reboot to get it right
[05:50] <Etriaph> Setup that PPA and do a: sudo apt-get full-upgrade (is that correct val?)
[05:50] <valorie> the restore option fixed my b
[05:50] <valorie> black screen issue
[05:50] <valorie> sudo apt full-upgrade
[05:51] <valorie> apt is the new apt-get
[05:51] <valorie> hard to teach to your fingers for awhile though
[05:51] <Etriaph> Also be sure to do: sudo apt update
[05:51] <blubberbop> valorie: I always hated the - in apt-get (don't ask why).. so apt will be good for me
[05:51] <Etriaph> After you setup the PPA
[05:51] <valorie> right, update and then full-upgrade
[05:52] <blubberbop> valorie: Etriaph: Just to be sure.. You guys are sure this will get me a better KDE? I Really don't want to have to reinstall my machine again :(
[05:52] <valorie> it's been good for me
[05:52] <Etriaph> No, not "sure"
[05:53] <blubberbop> Also, I want my semi transparent plasma toolbars and stuff! I looked at the theme installer, only one, but I could install more, so i checked and I saw a lot of.. KDE4 themes.. I do take it those won't work on KDE5?
[05:53] <Etriaph> But if you're encountering all of these issues, would you agree it likely can't be worse?
[05:53] <valorie> blubberbop: very few people have had the bad experience you have had
[05:53] <blubberbop> Etriaph: but "should"?
[05:53] <valorie> I like Breeze Dark
[05:53] <Etriaph> blubberbop: I'm on Nvidia, 15.04 with the 5.3 PPA and I've had 0 stability issues for the desktop.
[05:53] <blubberbop> valorie: Reminds me: A friend of mine setup the wine ppa, and promptly could not instal wine. Even removing the ppa, he could not get wine to run
[05:54] <valorie> hmmm
[05:54] <valorie> !wine
[05:54] <Etriaph> I'm using stock wine, and it works fine for me.
[05:54] <blubberbop> Etriaph: I've had... many issues on the desltop...
[05:54] <blubberbop> valorie: Oh I know, its just something that popped in my head
[05:54] <valorie> I haven't used wine for years
[05:54]  * valorie would rather drink the stuff
[05:54] <Etriaph> bbiab, smoke break.
[05:54] <blubberbop> so far I've seen system settings  like keybindings not being stored (reboot, and they're gone)
[05:55] <valorie> blubberbop: I think you are not alone in that
[05:55] <blubberbop> valorie: lol, yeah, I think he uses it for one specific program that has no good linux counterpart
[05:55] <valorie> I've heard that same complaint in #kde
[05:55] <blubberbop> valorie: Ah? So its not me
[05:55] <valorie> sure, i understand why people need it
[05:55] <blubberbop> valorie: I've also had issues with kwallet.. I setup the password, reboot, password not accepted.. damn
[05:55] <valorie> I just have no useful input, as I'm not a user
[05:56] <blubberbop> Also, sudo password spam, oh god
[05:56] <valorie> I had that problem about 9 months ago, then somehow it was fixed
[05:56] <valorie> kwallet I mean
[05:56] <blubberbop> Whenever I do sudo something, sometimes I get this.. daemon that spams all over the place that I need to type the sudo password
[05:56] <blubberbop> VERY anoying if you have like 20 shells open, and all of them go nuts
[05:56] <valorie> are you using sudo rather than kdesudo?
[05:57] <valorie> perhaps?
[05:57] <valorie> if you are running a graphical application, it should always be kdesudo
[05:57] <blubberbop> valorie: I havent had kwallet problems for years until 15.04.. I always used to go striaght for kubuntu alphas when they came out, never a problem, until KDE4.. then I waited for the official releases and that was good.. some defails here and there, but okay.. 15.04 official release, so far, has been a nightmare :(
[05:58] <blubberbop> valorie: I always used sudo
[05:58] <blubberbop> valorie: I don't want to have to go to a window for text stuff
[05:58] <valorie> well, that can mess up permissions
[05:58] <blubberbop> valorie: also, I use full encryption and my swap partition is encrypted as well
[05:58] <valorie> !kdesudo
[05:59] <valorie> woah
[05:59] <valorie> hardcore
[05:59] <blubberbop> valorie: actually, THAT is the thing being spammed.. About my swap password being required.. for what? And if I simply press enter, it just ignores whatever it was asking and continues...
[05:59] <valorie> I haven't a clue there
[05:59] <valorie> that sounds like a question for a #linux chan
[05:59] <blubberbop> valorie: my laptop contains the keys to like 50 servers of 10 different customers, I don't want unauthorized people having any access whatsoever if this baby ever gets robbed..
[05:59] <valorie> ah, got it
[06:00] <blubberbop> I already used home directory encryption, but for safety, I thought, what the heck, lets encrypt all.. But now this spamming is driving me nuts
[06:00] <valorie> dunno -- gotta go afk for a few
[06:02] <blubberbop> trying your apt update.. lets see kde5.3! :D
[06:03]  * Etriaph is back.
[06:04] <blubberbop> Etriaph: Quick other question.. You know if there are any semi transparent themes available for KDE5? IF I try to get more themes, I see KDE4 themes, and correct me if I am wrong, but I doubt those are compatible...
[06:04] <blubberbop> Etriaph: upgrading to 5.3
[06:04] <Etriaph> blubberbop: They do work, I have a few installed.
[06:05] <blubberbop> Etriaph: They do? Cool! Installing those..
[06:05] <Etriaph> Some have been ported to Plasma 5 now too.
[06:05] <Etriaph> Caledonia is one of those.
[06:05] <blubberbop> Etriaph: I am looking for a semi transparent one.. transparency done right looks sweet and can be helpful actually
[06:06] <blubberbop> Etriaph: I shoul be able to see KDE version with KDE window > help > about kde, right? I see there framework version 5.9.0, that cant be right?
[06:07] <Etriaph> That's the correct version.
[06:07] <Etriaph> Right click on the desktop, select Desktop Settings, if you see the 'Tweaks' module you're on our version.
[06:09] <Etriaph> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1422687/volatile-5.3.png
[06:09] <Etriaph> That's me using Volatile plasma theme
[06:09] <Etriaph> Semi-translucent
[06:14] <blubberbop> Etriaph: I don;t see the "Tweaks" option in the menu
[06:14] <Etriaph> So you added the repo, did an update, then did an apt full-upgrade?
[06:14] <Etriaph> You'll likely have to logout fyi :D
[06:14] <blubberbop> Etriaph: okay, just did the apt full-upgrade and that crashed... crap
[06:14] <Etriaph> Oy
[06:15] <blubberbop> Etriaph: Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libkf5people-data_5.8.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[06:15] <blubberbop> Etriaph: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/libkpeople.mo', which is also in package libkpeople4 0.3.0-0ubuntu1
[06:15] <Etriaph> Did you use sudo?
[06:15] <Etriaph> sudo apt full-upgrade
[06:15] <blubberbop> Now I might be crazy but.. libkpeople4, would that be KDE4?
[06:16] <blubberbop> Etriaph: yeah, without sudo it would not work
[06:16] <blubberbop> I always use sudo :P
[06:16] <Etriaph> Just being sure.
[06:16] <blubberbop> Etriaph: Could I do apt remove libkpeople4 ?
[06:16] <Etriaph> You *can*
[06:17] <blubberbop> No I can't because apt is stuck in installing the other one
[06:17] <Etriaph> I don't know if you *should*
[06:17] <Etriaph> But you could always re-add it
[06:17] <blubberbop> WhaWhat would be solution here?
[06:18] <Etriaph> I'm not sure.  I haven't encountered any major issues since before release.
[06:18] <Etriaph> Remove libkpeople4 and try again
[06:18] <Etriaph> If it was required for something else, you could always reinstall it
[06:19] <blubberbop> Etriaph: Seems to be for telepathy or soemthing, I'm not using htat
[06:19] <blubberbop> Etriaph: Could I cancel this current upgrade first? BEcause apt is stuck on that now
[06:19] <Etriaph> Ya, cancel it
[06:19] <Etriaph> If it's hanging it's not doing any good atm
[06:21] <blubberbop> Etriaph: But how would I cancel it? There is no such thing as apt-get abort AFAIK
[06:21] <N3X15_> CTRL+C if it's in terminal
[06:22] <blubberbop> N3X15_: apt-get is stuck in limbo for an upgrade, whatever I do with apt-get now gives me that error, so I am very much stuck, but not in the ctrl-c way
[06:23] <Etriaph> Save your work, reboot the machine.
[06:23] <Etriaph> It's what I would do right at this moment.
[06:23] <blubberbop> Etriaph: Umm, but apt-get has this stuff stored in its DB, reboot would not do anything there, would it?
[06:24] <Etriaph> When running an experimental version of an OS, trying to get it stable is often taken in baby steps.
[06:25] <Etriaph> Your debugging process could take a while, patch by patch, and I'll be up for about another 20 min., 2:25am here
[06:25] <blubberbop> Yeah, I"m nearly in the same timezone
[06:26] <blubberbop> Etriaph: I found a page stating I should modify /var/lib/dpkg/status
[06:26] <blubberbop> Etriaph: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1930919&page=2&s=448c11df294a0a2604156ac27c8e76da
[06:26] <Etriaph> Try it.
[06:27] <Etriaph> I've done that once or twice before.
[06:27] <blubberbop> Etriaph: SHould I remove all references to that file?
[06:28] <Etriaph> KDE 5.3 as it stands on Kubuntu is KDE 4 libs and apps running alongside KDE 5 libs, Plasma 5 Desktop and some KDE 5 apps.
[06:28] <blubberbop> Etriaph: So also "Depends: libkf5people-data blah blah, remove that library from those lines too?
[06:28] <Etriaph> blubberbop: You *can* do that, yes.  I'm not a Kubuntu tech support rep., just a user donating some time to assistance if I can.
[06:29] <Etriaph> At this point you're in the "let's see if we can get this to finish a full upgrade" territory
[06:29] <blubberbop> Etriaph: Just mentioning it because I remove that package, and dpkg put it back there again
[06:29] <blubberbop> I know...
[06:29] <Etriaph> blubberbop: It might, just try it.
[06:29] <Etriaph> Worst case scenario you can install 14.04 and not format the partition your /home is on
[06:30] <Etriaph> But I can tell you there are those running 5.3 without your issues on 15.04, I'm one of them.
[06:30] <blubberbop> Etriaph: Aaannd it finished the install
[06:30] <Etriaph> I would reboot.
[06:30] <blubberbop> From what I've seen, this lib is only required for telepathy or somehing
[06:30] <Etriaph> Then see how it goes.
[06:30] <blubberbop> Etriaph: I first want to fix this issue.. I'll see if I can uninstall the kde4 version then install the 5...
[06:31] <Etriaph> Noooooo
[06:31] <Etriaph> Reboot first.
[06:31] <Etriaph> If you run into an issue not being able to run an app that needed it, so be it.
[06:31] <Etriaph> See where you're at with what you have atm
[06:32] <blubberbop> Etriaph: kde-telepathy basically is dependant on that, you know what is that package?
[06:32] <Etriaph> instant messaging
[06:32] <Etriaph> But I'm using IM just fine
[06:32] <blubberbop> Etriaph: I can do without, not using that anyway.. Let me remove that one, then install kde-telepathy again, in theory, it would install the KDE5 lib now..
[06:33] <Etriaph> Just reboot.  :D
[06:33] <Etriaph> I want to know if your stability issue had to do with *all* of the other packages.
[06:33] <Etriaph> One last smoke before bed, bbiab.
[06:34] <blubberbop> rebooting
[06:37] <blubberbop> Etriaph: Back
[06:38] <blubberbop> mmm, I seem to have no plasma
[06:39] <blubberbop> Etriaph: Correction, plasma does work, its just that again it removed my toolbar..
[06:40] <blubberbop> Etriaph: at least it loaded the sddm right away, no black screen this time.. Also, kwin did not crash
[06:40] <blubberbop> So so far so good
[06:41] <blubberbop> Etriaph: Ow, another quick question.. Can I change the background for the main login screen? Haven't found the option, though KDE4 did
[06:43] <Graf_Westerholt> Is your Plasma using the CPU a lot, too?
[06:43] <blubberbop> Graf_Westerholt: nope, not here.... driver issue perhaps? nvidia?
[06:45] <blubberbop> Etriaph: Well, looks all a lot more stable, yay!
[06:46] <Etriaph> :D
[06:46] <Etriaph> I haven't found that my choice for the login screen background has ever worked.
[06:46] <Etriaph> Haven't tried since the 5.3 though
[06:46] <blubberbop> Etriaph: You would think that would not be that hard to fix...
[06:47] <Etriaph> blubberbop: It's not a critical issue.
[06:47] <Etriaph> If you can login, sddm is working :D
[06:47] <blubberbop> Etriaph: Nope, but a very visible one though :D
[06:47] <blubberbop> Etriaph: yeah, first time ever that sddm started right after a reboot so... I'm happy
[06:47] <blubberbop> Etriaph: thanks a lot!
[06:47] <Etriaph> np.
[06:47] <blubberbop> I'm off to bed now too, its 2AM here
[06:48] <Etriaph> Sleep well
[06:48] <valorie> blubberbop: yes, you can change the background -- it is somewhere in systemsettings
[06:49] <valorie> glad to hear the restore option worked for you
[06:49] <blubberbop> valorie: yay! I know its a very minor issue, but I like those kinds of details :) Where though? I've been over all settings, didn't see it
[06:49] <valorie> hmm, I just ran across it
[06:49] <valorie> sec
[06:49] <blubberbop> valorie: Wasn't that easy, there was a conflict with KDE4/KDE5 library, and I had to mess around in the dpkg status file, but.. yeah, its good now
[06:50] <Graf_Westerholt> blubberbop, I did not install the nvidia-driver.
[06:50] <blubberbop> I must be blind
[06:50] <blubberbop> Graf_Westerholt: Do you have an nvidia card though?
[06:50] <valorie> workspace theme - splash screen
[06:50] <blubberbop> valorie: Ah duh! foud it
[06:50] <Etriaph> System Settings - Startup & Shutdown
[06:51]  * keithzg sighs, decides to acquiesce and try nomodeset for the first time in ages to fix the lack of VTs with fglrx-updates
[06:51] <Etriaph> For the SDDM background
[06:51] <valorie> ah, ok
[06:51] <blubberbop> valorie: startup - shutdown > sddm
[06:51] <valorie> cool
[06:51] <blubberbop> valorie: thanks!
[06:51] <Graf_Westerholt> blubberbop, I think it is an Intel-graphic-chip what is in my laptop.
[06:51] <Etriaph> Well, solved two issues for people today.  I should get a free cookie or something :D
[06:51] <valorie> in general, I leave everything default
[06:52]  * valorie pushes the plate of fresh-baked cookies to Etriaph
[06:52] <Graf_Westerholt> blubberbop, this is my laptop: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/7260098
[06:52]  * Etriaph nomnoms
[06:53] <blubberbop> Etriaph: valorie: Thanks a lot the both of you! I'm a happy kubuntuer again
[06:53] <Etriaph> No problem blubber
[06:53] <valorie> excellent
[06:53] <valorie> very good to hear, blubberbop
[06:53]  * Graf_Westerholt is not happy with Kubuntu 15.04 because it eats all my CPU. :(
[06:54] <valorie> Graf_Westerholt: what is eating your cpu?
[06:54] <valorie> in system monitor or so
[06:54] <phoenixz> blubberbop is actually phoenixz, I should fix quassel as well to login with my correct user :P
[06:55] <Etriaph> Graf_Westerholt: What kind of core are you running?
[06:55] <Graf_Westerholt> Tha plasmadesktop eats a lot, but there must me more. CPU monitor says that 25% of my CPU is eaten, but plasmadeskto is only 13%.
[06:55] <phoenixz> valorie: argh, keybindings are not remembered indeed lol
[06:55] <Etriaph> Graf_Westerholt: Out of curiosity
[06:56] <valorie> phoenixz: please file a bug or comment on one if already filed, when you have a chance
[06:56] <phoenixz> valorie: Quick last question: you know if its possible to disable the touchpad on login, by default? the touchpad on this laptop is hugely anoying because its too overly sensitive and I never use it because of mouse..
[06:56] <phoenixz> valorie: Will do that tomorrow
[06:56] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph, is it important what core? I do not now at the moment, I am at my tower.
[06:56] <Etriaph> Graf_Westerholt: CTRL-Escape (defualt shortcut), set it to 'All Processes' and sort by CPU%
[06:56] <valorie> hmmm, one would think so, in systemsettings
[06:56] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph, I did that. There are some tasks that uses the CPU, but not that much.
[06:57] <phoenixz> valorie: never mind, found "disable when mouse plugged in", even better
[06:57] <Etriaph> Graf_Westerholt: So why do you think something is eating your CPU if you can't demonstrate that this is in fact the case?
[06:57] <Etriaph> The system being sluggish could be a variety of things, but do you know for a fact that your CPU is being consumed?
[06:57] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph, sorry? I told you that the CPU monitor shows that 26% of the cpu is used.
[06:58] <Etriaph> In total maybe.
[06:58] <Etriaph> That's not very high either.
[06:58] <Graf_Westerholt> No? With Kubunt 14.04 it was 3%
[06:58] <Graf_Westerholt> *14.10
[06:58] <Etriaph> Kubuntu 14.04 is a stable LTS release, too.
[06:59] <Etriaph> I have a Core i7 processor with 8 cores and I idle at about 10%
[06:59] <Etriaph> 8Gb RAM, 2Gb swap
[07:00] <Etriaph> 25% may be normal on your hardware platform
[07:00] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph, it was 3% with 14.10
[07:00] <Graf_Westerholt> I have also around 3% at my tower with 14.10
[07:01] <Etriaph> Is 14.10 Plasma 5?
[07:01] <Graf_Westerholt> No, but if Plasma 5 needs that lot of CPU, it is crap.
[07:02] <Etriaph> It's also not finished.
[07:02] <Graf_Westerholt> After some time it goes more than 50%.
[07:02] <Etriaph> It's also doing a *lot* more
[07:02] <Etriaph> Now it's possible that you do have a software-related issue, but I'm not going to suggest I'm qualified to help you track it down.
[07:03] <keithzg> My i7 3770K has plasmashell idling at or below 1% (not divided by cores; in that case it stays below 1% except for brief spikes)
[07:03] <est31> Hi there, I have some performance problems caused by plasma-desktop while idling: http://pasteboard.co/7Qkql9j.png
[07:03] <est31> it doesnt occur when I log in, but after I did some work, I notice it
[07:03]  * keithzg 's problems are just a complete lack of VTs when using fglrx-updates; assumed it was a KMS problem, but using 'nomodeset' fixes nothing, hrmmm
[07:04] <Etriaph> Oh, you both *could* be experiencing the notification system bug.
[07:04] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph, what is it?
[07:04] <Etriaph> Well it was a bug from beta, the desktop would slow to a crawl after a period of time while logged in.
[07:05] <Etriaph> I personally suggest you use the Plasma 5.3 PPA and do an: sudo apt full-upgrade
[07:05] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph, I am using Plasma 5.3 on my laptop.
[07:06] <Etriaph> Graf_Westerholt: You should discuss with one of the developers in #kubuntu-devel how you could provide some system information feedback to determine if it's a problem that can be resolved.
[07:06] <Graf_Westerholt> ok
[07:07] <Etriaph> est31: Are you running Plasma 5.3?
[07:07] <est31> nope
[07:07] <est31> or better question Etriaph how do I find out?
[07:07] <Etriaph> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5.3
[07:07] <keithzg> Anyone have any idea how I could fix missing VTs when using the fglrx-updates drivers? (Perhaps fglrx as well, but the performance was too low with that package to stick with it anyways).
[07:07] <Etriaph> Add that PPA then: sudo apt update; sudo apt full-upgrade
[07:08] <est31> Etriaph, its version 4.11.12
[07:08] <est31> KDE has 4.14.1
[07:08] <Etriaph> Which version of Kubuntu?
[07:08] <est31> 14.10
[07:08] <Etriaph> Ohhh...
[07:09] <Etriaph> I couldn't help you with that, I went from 14.04 to 15.04
[07:09] <est31> I don't know how to reproduce, it just occurs
[07:10] <Etriaph> OK, it's 3:10am, time for me to sleep.
[07:10] <est31> usually I'm waiting with new ubuntu versions
[07:10] <Graf_Westerholt> Etriaph :D
[07:10] <est31> because then the bugs get sorted out
[07:10] <valorie> sweet dreams Etriaph
[07:10] <est31> bye :)
[07:10] <Etriaph> Night folks.
[07:14] <amichair> Hi everyone! I just upgraded to 15.04, and I see lots of desktop functionality is missing compared to plasma 4 - should I report a bug for each thing, or is it well-known to be work in progress of reaching feature parity (i.e. no point in reporting everything individually yet)?
[07:14] <valorie> amichair: what are you missing in particular?
[07:15] <amichair> valorie: well, I've only been using it for a couple of hours so far, but this is what I came across:
[07:15] <valorie> also, Plasma 5.3 is out, so you might look at that too
[07:15] <valorie> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5.3
[07:15]  * Graf_Westerholt is missing the battery monitor shows the % on desktop.
[07:15] <amichair> (I already upgraded to 5.3 too from the kubuntu backports ppa)
[07:15] <valorie> cool
[07:15] <amichair> - no way to change clock date format to ISO
[07:16] <valorie> yes, that has been reported
[07:16] <amichair> - clock tooltip for multiple timezones is unformatted which makes it very hard to read (compared to the nice layout in 4)
[07:16] <Graf_Westerholt> But it is good that battery monitor shows the remaining time again. But not on desktop, even on tooltip.
[07:17] <amichair> - no right-click menu option on k-menu items to add them to the panel
[07:17] <valorie> Graf_Westerholt: that may already be reported - there has been extensive discussion about the battery monitor
[07:17] <Graf_Westerholt> valorie, that’s good. :)
[07:17] <amichair> - system load viewer widget can't show individual cpu usage, only total(average)
[07:17] <valorie> amichair: you can now right-click on the tab
[07:18] <amichair> - can't drag taskbar buttons to reorder them
[07:18] <valorie> the tab in the panel
[07:18] <valorie> yes, that is missing
[07:18] <valorie> not sure whether or not it's reported
[07:18] <valorie> probably so
[07:19] <Graf_Westerholt> In KDE4 I have a system monitor that combines CPU, RAM, Temperature, Network, disc. I miss that in KDE5.3
[07:19] <amichair> - most of all, half my applications are unusable since their icons don't show up in tray (pidgin, dropbox, etc.) - I've heard this being talked about, but didn't find a clear answer if this is going to be resolved or is on purpose (something about dropping xembed)
[07:19] <valorie> hmmm, I *think* that's there, Graf_Westerholt
[07:20] <Graf_Westerholt> valorie, there are monitors for CPU, RAM, but they are seperate.
[07:20] <valorie> ah
[07:20] <valorie> not sure then
[07:21] <Graf_Westerholt> What I liked in KDE4 that the system monitors are transparent. In KDE5.3 they are not transparent. :(
[07:21] <valorie> amichair: most applications are moving to the future; some are slow
[07:21] <valorie> Graf_Westerholt: be sure to search for a bug report, and file one if it isn't reported
[07:22] <amichair> - battery icon shows the charging symbol (lightning) also when not charging - it does change colors, but perhaps that's just a bad design/usability decision
[07:22] <valorie> amichair: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/06/where-are-my-systray-icons/
[07:22] <valorie> that is written by the kwin maintainer
[07:23] <amichair> valorie: yeah, that's the blog I found
[07:23] <valorie> be sure you've sni-qt installed
[07:23] <valorie> !info sni-qt
[07:23] <amichair> valorie: but wasn't sure what it means - when 5.4 will be released everything will work as before?
[07:24] <valorie> no, xembed will not return
[07:24] <valorie> there is a way to make a custom panel just for those applications still living in the xembed past
[07:24] <valorie> if it's important to you
[07:25] <amichair> valorie: as a user, I don't care about all that... just that I upgraded kubuntu and half my daily-work apps are unusable...
[07:25] <amichair> (as a developer I understand the reason... but still wouldn't break the user experience like that)
[07:25] <valorie> that part does suck, I agree
[07:26] <valorie> I'm pretty sure that the devels thought that the modern applications would follow the present standards
[07:26] <valorie> seems they were over-hopeful
[07:27] <amichair> valorie: it would have been pretty easy to check at least the top apps to see if that's true... pidgin and dropbox are not exactly fringe apps
[07:28] <valorie> supporting both the past and the present are pretty hard to do
[07:28] <valorie> someone has to take the jump
[07:28] <amichair> valorie: perhaps the kubuntu devs can add that workaround panel you mentioned by default or something
[07:29] <amichair> valorie: so the users don't suffer. I'm in a conundrum now - upgrade all systems to be unusable, or remain with an unsupported 14.10 (support ends in a couple of months no?)
[07:29] <valorie> amichair: if someone (hint, hint, is it you?) thinks it is important, perhaps they will
[07:29] <valorie> to me it is completely unimportant
[07:29] <valorie> I run things from krunner usually
[07:30] <valorie> that part doesn't hinder anything for me
[07:31] <valorie> but really, like anything else, those who have an itch, scratch it
[07:31] <amichair> valorie: true, though I thought some distros would treat their users more as users than as devs :-)
[07:32] <valorie> to tell you the truth, the kubuntu team is running just to stay even
[07:32] <valorie> there are just not the cycles to even think about that
[07:32] <valorie> getting SDDM and systemd took quite a bit of time
[07:33] <valorie> plus just adjusting to all the new packages in frameworks, in plasma, and in applications
[07:34] <amichair> valorie: I understand... but as a user I still get to complain :-P
[07:34] <valorie> most of our devels are also KDE developers too
[07:34] <valorie> sure
[07:35] <valorie> and our best devels used to be "complaining users"
[07:35] <valorie> :-)
[07:35] <amichair> when I had more time I did some dev in kubuntu/kde as well, mostly bugfixes and stuff like that
[07:35] <valorie> cool
[07:37] <amichair> valorie: anyway, how about all those other little things - is plasma 5 intended to reach feature parity with plasma 4? or is feature migration random (some will be made, some not)? or is the current state considered 'finished', other than what future bug reports may be resolved?
[07:37] <amichair> what's the overall strategy/status?
[07:37] <valorie> it is certainly not finished, no
[07:38] <valorie> in fact there was just a planning meeting for plasma 5.4
[07:38] <valorie> like yesterday
[07:38] <valorie> feature migration isn't random, but I doubt ALL features will migrate
[07:39] <Graf_Westerholt> In KDE4 I can add icons to the desktop to start applications by dragging them from krunner to the desktop. Is that not possible any more in KDE5.3?
[07:42] <valorie> huh, I've never heard of that before
[07:43] <valorie> so, I haven't a clue
[07:43] <Graf_Westerholt> valorie ;)
[07:48] <amichair> oh well. As a user, so far plasma 5.3 is a step backwards from 4.14.2 :-(
[07:48] <amichair> and it sounds like it may never reach parity with it
[07:48] <valorie> for some users
[07:48] <amichair> how unfortunate
[07:48] <valorie> not for me
[07:48] <amichair> valorie: yeah, I guess I was using too many features
[07:49] <valorie> amichair: "parity" sounds like not a very high goal
[07:49] <amichair> valorie: and yet it hasn't happened yet...
[07:49] <Graf_Westerholt> It there a know bug that you cannot save the changing of the background image for login screen?
[07:49] <valorie> please file bugs
[07:50] <valorie> Graf_Westerholt: I've heard a couple of mentions of that here, but as to whether or not a bug was filed, I do not know
[07:50] <amichair> also the icons are worse, but I suppose that's a matter of taste (if we would ignore usability, which I usually don't)
[07:50] <valorie> usability bugs should be filed too
[07:50] <amichair> konsole icon is just about a square with a couple pixels inside now
[07:50] <amichair> as is folder view
[07:50] <valorie> the VDG can use help too
[07:51] <serverhamster> Speaking of features from 4. Is there a replacement for the netbook mode?
[07:51] <amichair> colors are really good for usability! I don't know why everything is going b&w nowadays
[07:51] <valorie> serverhamster: the plan is to have a mode for all usecases
[07:51] <valorie> desktop was just the first
[07:51] <serverhamster> Agreed. Breeze black looks nice, but I can't find the 'konsole' icon if I put it on the panel. It's black on black.
[07:51] <valorie> touch is already most of the way there
[07:51] <serverhamster> aha, ok
[07:51] <valorie> etc.
[07:52] <valorie> in fact, the Randa sprint this summer will be all about touch devices
[07:52] <alvin> Oh, my netbook is not touch, but yes. It would be nice. KDE on a tablet. We'll name the first device 'vivaldi'
[07:53] <valorie> heh
[07:53] <alvin> I preordered it :-)
[07:53] <valorie> I think nobody is going to try to manufacture devices again
[07:53] <valorie> if even Canonical can't float one
[07:54] <alvin> I get why. You need to sell a lot before you can even begin. And no documentation below x (lots) of orders.
[07:54] <valorie> the manufacturing process is too out-of-control for small runs
[07:54] <amichair> I'd love kubuntu on a tablet :-)
[07:54] <valorie> small being less than multi-millions
[07:54] <valorie> oh, me too
[07:54] <valorie> the original vivaldi worked, which is why that whole thing was a killer
[07:55] <alvin> Me too. The plans were great too. Unfortunately manufacturing is too expensive. Oh, I'd pay extra., but it's not enough. I'm still using my N900 waiting for something better to come along.
[07:55] <valorie> the changes the manufacturers made killed it
[07:55] <valorie> it was really sad
[08:30] <Fleck> http://imgur.com/RbF38Mi << seems like many KDE apps have problems with kio... gwenview also in the list, can't use browse after upgrade to KDE Plasma... ideas?
[08:32] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:35]  * bip Back :) Good Morning
[09:11] <F03SD> hello gyus
[09:11] <F03SD> After update (apt-get upgrade) my plasma is crashed
[09:11] <F03SD> how to fix it?
[09:11] <gunndawg> F03SD: 15.04?
[09:11] <F03SD> ya
[09:23] <F03SD> fixed with update center muon T_T
[09:49] <chrissg> Hey folks, running plasma 5 here... When moving an item (by accident) inside the menu the menu crashes, programs stay open, but wallpaper is black and the menu is gone. (Like right now). What command do i need to launch to restart the menu?
[09:49] <chrissg> I don't want to relog, too many open programs atm :)
[09:50] <ejay> chrissg, do you mean kicker?
[09:51] <chrissg> Is that the command name or the name of the start menu?
[09:51] <chrissg> The Windows Start-Menu look alike thingy :)
[09:52] <ejay> chrissg, start menu = kicker. you can try to remove crashed one and add new one.
[09:52] <chrissg> Can i re-launch it via (c/k)onsole? "kicker" is not available, at least not in $PATH.
[09:54] <chrissg> ah, running plasmashell from console fixed it :)
[09:54] <chrissg> The hint with "kicker" helped my google search :)
[09:54] <ejay> chrissg, ok
[09:54] <chrissg> Thanks, you really helped :)
[09:55] <ejay> chrissg, np
[09:55] <chrissg> One more quick question -- is it possible to launch a program (like konsole) by pressing a mouse4/mouse5 button?
[09:57] <cone80> Hi at all! I have a problem concerning keyboard on my new Dell Latitude with Kubuntu 14.04. It seems as sometimes a key hangs (the according character is printed frequenlty). However the key does not hang physically. Has anyone seen somehting simliar or some idea how to coming-up with it?
[10:16] <crdpink> chrissg: xbindkeys + xte, have that output a key combination that is registered in KDE Custom Shortcuts (in your case simply konsole)
[10:17] <est31> now I installed kde 15.04, and I first clicked abort on that dialog to merge wallets
[10:17] <est31> how can I let it show again?
[10:17] <est31> I have reconsidered and want to merge them
[10:20] <chrissg> Hey, umm, How do I get rid of "notes" in my menu bar?!
[10:20] <chrissg> (and thanks crdpink, was afk :)
[10:21] <crdpink> chrissg: np - I use the thumb button on my mouse to cycle desktops and that was the solution I have to make it happen.
[10:22] <chrissg> I am an admin, so I need shells en mass and a browser. Putting them on my thumb buttons is my bread and butter for the past decades :)
[10:27] <crdpink> right on - actually you can just use xbindkeys, simpler than what I said. xev to see what the button sends then use that. only would need xte to send a more complex sequence of keys (so ignore that)
[10:27] <est31> so, any help?
[10:27] <est31> or ideas?
[10:32] <chrissg> Got the thumb buttons to work :) Awesome.
[10:35] <chrissg> Final question, more of a nuisance really... How can I get rid of those sticky notes? (https://cloud.alpha-labs.net/index.php/s/GbAb8MhyV8JVSVh)
[10:52] <ik_> hi
[10:56] <hydron> test
[10:56] <hydron> hi & ciao
[10:59] <chrissg> Help! The sticky notes in my menu bar are piling up! 8 and counting, and no way to get rid of them?!
[11:35] <Zerkalerka> close them
[11:36] <pinuin> Is there a KDE 5 equivalent for http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/plasma-widget-quickaccess (see https://screenshots.debian.net/package/plasma-widget-quickaccess for screenshots if unfamiliar)?
[11:45] <chrissg> How?
[11:45] <chrissg> There is no delete, close or anything button.
[11:47] <chrissg> See: https://cloud.alpha-labs.net/index.php/s/ZSDCR6xGybiPNIB
[11:51] <gunndawg> how can I make it so that new windows/programs open up in the center of the screen instead of the top left?
[11:51] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:53] <gunndawg> nvm I figured it out
[11:56] <chrissg> I had to delete the panel and create a new one. Pressing the mouse wheel however creates a new, evil note.
[11:56] <chrissg> How can i apt-get purge these notes? Or disable them?
[11:57] <chrissg> Or at least wipe all shortcuts/mouse buttons/whatnot to this infernal thing?
[11:58] <pinuin> Sure, well, http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/knotes
[11:59] <pinuin> Presumably apt-get purge that.
[12:00] <chrissg> Nope, thats not even installed. The only thing installed is libakonadi-notes4 and libnoteshared4.
[12:00] <chrissg> Purging either will result in purging half of my system.
[12:00] <chrissg> There is not even a process running with "note" in it.
[12:06] <Zerkalerka> it looks like you have one for each desktop you have
[12:06] <Zerkalerka> see if getting rid of desktops get rid of a note
[12:07] <chrissg> No, they keep popping up if i press the mouse wheel on the task bar.
[12:10] <Zerkalerka> so nothing is in the note settings when u click that in that picture?
[12:10] <chrissg> nope.
[12:10] <chrissg> Those notes are coming straight from hell.
[12:10] <pinuin> Is there some http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/khotkeys related configuration triggering this?
[12:11] <Zerkalerka> possibly
[12:11] <Zerkalerka> is this a fresh install or when did this start happening
[12:13] <pinuin> Also, it seems possible (I'm not on a KDE system right now to check this) that the actual /usr/bin/knotes wouldn't show up as a process. I haven't seen how KDE5 handles widgets process-wise. but e.g., lsof-checking for anything in http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/amd64/knotes/filelist
[12:14] <pinuin> I know it's not installed, but even as deleted-but-held-open files.
[12:14] <chrissg> [chris@icarus ~]$ which knotes ; echo $?
[12:14] <chrissg> 1
[12:15] <pinuin> Which will only find still-extant chmod +x'd files in $PATH.
[12:16] <pinuin> If KDE doesn't actually need to invoke /usr/bin/knotes, that doesn't matter so long as knotes was around when KDE launched to load as a library (see other files in that package) for widget purposes. That said, if you've restarted, or if that's now how KDE behaves, this isn't what's happening, obviously
[12:16] <pinuin> *that's not how
[13:26] <pinuin> Repeating my question from a couple of hours ago: is there a KDE 5 equivalent for http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/plasma-widget-quickaccess (see https://screenshots.debian.net/package/plasma-widget-quickaccess for screenshots if unfamiliar)? I just tried installing that package to a KDE/Plasma 5 desktop and it didn't even recognize it.
[13:29] <BluesKaj> pinuin, which Kubuntu release are you running?
[13:30] <pinuin> 15.04
[13:31] <BluesKaj> there is no KDE5 yet , only plasma 5 and KF5, pinuin
[13:32] <pinuin> Ah, right. I'm still learning to be more precise about this. So, the Plasma 5 and KF5 that Kubuntu 15.04 package don't seem to recognize plasma-widget-quickaccess even when installed, I haven't found an alternative, and I'd like one. Does one exist?
[13:33] <pinuin> *that Kubuntu 15.04 packages
[13:34] <BluesKaj>  plasma-widget-quickaccess is available in the repos for 15.04 pinuin
[13:35] <pinuin> It exists in the repos, yes, but when I install it, it doesn't show up in the widgets list (I've tried filtering for it, etc). It's certainly possible I'm doing something wrong here, but I can add widgets in general, just not that one.
[13:35] <pinuin> (I mean, I link to http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/plasma-widget-quickaccess above, so I am aware of this.)
[13:35] <MoonUnit`> from the version numbers it looks like a kde4 addon in the repo.
[13:36] <BluesKaj> yeah
[13:36] <pinuin> That's my impression too. It also depends on libqtcore4, libqtgui4, etc. So, my question is, is there an analogous KDE5 widget or addon?
[13:37] <pinuin> er, or. Plasma 5
[13:37] <BluesKaj> unfortunately there's poor integration of some plasma 4 apps in plasma 5
[13:37] <MoonUnit`> i have a problem with plasma-widget-googlecalendar, dependency plasma-scriptengine-python doesn't exist in vivid.
[13:38] <pinuin> BluesKaj: the idea being it should, theoretically or by design, work, but doesn't currently?
[13:39] <pinuin> MoonUnit`: huh, http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/plasma-widget-googlecalendar indeed. Odd that 15.04 would have been released that way, with blatantly missing hard-deps.
[13:41] <BluesKaj> pinuin, in a word yes
[13:42] <pinuin> BluesKaj: I see. What's the best currently working in 15.04 approximation you're aware of?
[13:43] <BluesKaj> pinuin, do you have plasma 5.3 installed? , it seems to have better integration than 5.2 default
[13:43] <pinuin> 5.2, but I can try 5.3.
[13:45] <BluesKaj> pinuin, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[13:45] <pinuin> Per its name, that's hopefully not a nightly or other too-unstable repo?
[13:46] <pinuin> "Backports of new versions of KDE Platform, Plasma and Applcations as well as major KDE apps for Kubuntu."
[13:47] <frischluft> Hello, when I minimze a window i. e. Firefox I can't find it on the taskbar. How can I change this setting?
[13:47] <pinuin> Version numbers look fine. Will try it, thanks.
[13:50] <BluesKaj> frischluft, are you sure you have a taskbar?
[13:53] <MoonUnit`> if you right click on the taskbar and click task manager settings there are different filter options.
[13:54] <BluesKaj> yeah I prefer the icons only taskbar myself ...less clutter
[13:59] <pinuin> BluesKaj: good news, it didn't break anything (restarted, etc). The horizontal status-color bar over applications in Plasma 5.3 is kind of interesting. Bad news, it doesn't seem to integrate plasma-widget-quickaccess any better.
[14:00] <Zerkalerka> BluesKaj: where in settings can you set that
[14:00] <Zerkalerka> BluesKaj: would like to test it out
[14:04] <BluesKaj> Zerkalerka, right click on theb desktop>add widgets> type icons and you should see the widget ...seems you have to double click to set it in the task bar , then right click in the panel, choose alternatives then Icons only
[14:05] <BluesKaj> pinuin, sorry to hear that about plasma-widget-quickaccess
[14:05] <chrissg> pinuin: I won! I won! \o/ Knotes has been defeated. KDE is now pitch perfetc!
[14:05] <pinuin> chrissg: hah, nice.
[14:05] <pinuin> How/what was the cause?
[14:08] <chrissg> A combination of all. I went for a hunt prior asking the channel, doing apt-purges and got the knotes app. But your hint about "it's still in ram" was right, so it kept firing up. A Reboot (relog) helped wonders.
[14:08] <pinuin> Compared to other possibilities, ultimately pretty easy, fortunately.
[14:09] <pinuin> (to fix, etc)
[14:09] <pinuin> Still weird it was being added every (middle, was it?) click.
[14:18] <chrissg> yeah
[14:19] <chrissg> Well I installed kubuntu 3 days ago, and now I got everything working, so I can work. :)
[14:20] <chrissg> Well, time for sports. Cya all -- And thanks again for helping :) \o/
[15:00] <frischluft> @blueskaj : Well, there are only appereance settings to change ..
[15:02] <BluesKaj> frischluft, does right clicking on the taskbar itself show "alternatives" ?
[15:08] <frischluft> I can choose between "add mini progammes" and "further settings"
[15:08] <frischluft> further settings shows "width, height" etc.
[15:11] <BluesKaj> click on add widgets, then type task
[15:17] <BluesKaj> frischluft, if you are using english
[15:23] <frischluft> no, german (as my name shows ;)
[15:25] <frischluft> BluesKaj: ah, thanks! It works!
[15:26] <frischluft> well, my standard task bar is left, I added a new task bar: this shows minimezed windows, but it's bottom position.
[15:29] <frischluft> BluesKaj: so, it's not possible to have the same function with the windows at the LEFT task bar?
[15:30] <BluesKaj> frischluft, which kubuntu release are you using?  and for support in german I suggest you join #kubuntu-de or #ubuntu-de
[15:31] <BluesKaj> the panel location should not matter, frischluft
[15:32] <frischluft> Linux 3.19. 0 15
[15:32] <frischluft> kubuntu 1504 the newest
[15:33] <frischluft> ok, I  will check the german chanel. Thanks again! and Bye!
[15:36] <soee> frischluft: what the problem is ?
[16:31] <mah454> Hello
[16:32] <mah454> I installed kubuntu 15.04 on Lenovo E540 . I set Alt+[1-9] for swich between tabs in Konsol .
[16:32] <mah454> But can not understand why Only Alt+1 not work !!!!
[16:32] <mah454> I must execute this command for fix this problem : "kquitapp kglobalaccel ; kglobalaccel"
[16:33] <mah454> How can fix this problem for wide system ?
[16:34] <soee> mah454: are you sure there is not some global shortcut that uses it ?
[16:34] <soee> and maybe conflicts here ?
[16:35] <mah454> soee: I dont know !!! maybe .
[16:35] <mah454> soee: How can find this conflicts ?
[16:36] <_123design_> what can I say? several hours horror with ubuntu installer on an old laptop - dims, system crashes, etc. But now - with Kubuntu 14.04.2 LTS - kill effects, luksOpen and flawless smooth install! It is obvious Kubuntu still is better for me :))))
[16:37] <soee> mah454: check in System Settings -> Shortcuts
[16:37] <soee> _123design_: great :)
[16:38] <soee> _123design_: also give a tray to 15.04 in VirtualBox for example :)
[16:39] <_123design_> :))) Kubuntu - trhe desktop linux choise for 6 years and counting
[16:42] <vbgunz> On kubuntu 15.04 using. alt+f2, I can't use kdesu? am I maybe missing a package?
[16:45] <vbgunz> On kubuntu 15.04 I also can't use fish:// in dolphin. I can easily connect over terminal either to hostname or ip using a key but dolphin just says "could not connect to host hostname"
[16:48] <soee> vbgunz: try kdesudo
[16:49] <soee> vbgunz: try adding new network folder nd set it through ssh
[16:49] <soee> should work
[16:50] <vbgunz> soee: thanks, kdesudo works over kdesu, sweet
[16:50] <vbgunz> how do you add a network folder? gonna check system settings for that (I thought dolphin could do it, am not finding it or not looking hard enough)
[16:51] <soee> vbgunz: in dolphin on right sidebar click Network
[16:51] <soee> you will have there shortcut to create network folder
[16:54] <vbgunz> soee: I don't see an option, I remember there being an "add network folder" option but I'm not finding it in 15.04
[16:55] <BluesKaj> vbgunz, look in dolphin places>network
[16:55] <soee> vbgunz: http://wstaw.org/m/2015/05/01/remote.png
[17:07] <vbgunz> soee: thanks, found it ::)
[17:10] <vbgunz> hmm, no matter what I put in network folder settings wizard, it just doesn't want to connect using fish. the server is up at this moment, I just checked. I use to do this all the time which leads me to believe I've run into something that's broken
[17:15] <vbgunz> damn, I might have to use sshfs and do this through fstab
[17:15] <lordievader> Nothing wrong with that ;)
[17:20] <vbgunz> yup, using sshfs through fstab to make these network connections works. I'm thinking fish:// is broken
[17:21] <vbgunz> I'd hate to report it and it's really my fault. at this point, I'll leave it alone
[17:21] <lordievader> I thought there was someone here yesterday with the same problem.
[17:25] <vbgunz> not sure but this is my first workaround on 15.04
[17:28] <genii> lordievader: Yeah, there was someone yesterday who was having problems browsing network shares with Dolphin
[17:28] <vbgunz> damn, more bug and broken behavior. my bookmarked folders in dolphin disappear for no reason :(
[17:29] <vbgunz> 3 bookmarked folders in dolphin disappeared for no reason. 1 was missing from yesterday. I added them all back and close out dolphin to test, sure enough, I open dolphin and all 4 bookmarks are gone :(
[17:33] <madeti> anybody knows, which script starts yakuake on system startup?
[17:33] <madeti> I am on kubuntu 15.04, plasma 5.2
[17:35] <MoonUnit`> madeti: checked in settings/startup and shutdown?
[17:37] <madeti> MoonUnit`: It shows "Desktop File" and "Script File" for me but I am not able to see their properties
[17:47] <BluesKaj> madeti, have you enable yakuake by opening it in the kicker and typing yak?
[17:47] <BluesKaj> err enabled
[17:50] <BluesKaj> vbgunz, bookmarks and shortcuts added to dolphin places don't stick on 15.04....yet
[17:53] <alvin> lordievader: vbgunz. Might have been me. The sftp kio_slave is broken, but fish reportedly works
[17:53]  * alvin tests this now
[17:55] <alvin> Indeed. I have a server here with an ECDSA host key. SFTP does not work  (through Dolphin) unless I switch to rsa, while fish does.
[18:20] <cyclick> Can I revert back from 15.04? there is so many new bugs that I don't want to deal with...
[18:21] <BluesKaj> cyclick, have you upgraded tp plasma 5.3?
[18:22] <Hairo> using the beta ppa?
[18:22] <cyclick> BluesKaj: I believe I just did the regular upgrade ...
[18:23] <BluesKaj> the launchpad kubuntu-backports ppa,  https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[18:23] <BluesKaj> cyclick, ^
[18:23] <Hairo> upgrading from 14.10 to 15.04 is buggy as fuck
[18:24] <BluesKaj> and Hairo ^
[18:24] <Hairo> mostly because systemd
[18:24] <thelionroars> I made the mistake of locking my screen on my HTPC... couldn't log back in.... new install time :/
[18:24] <thelionroars> ^while upgrading I mean
[18:24] <BluesKaj> Hairo, at the tty/vt do systemctl enable sddm
[18:25] <Hairo> BluesKaj: what about this? http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5.3-beta
[18:25] <cyclick> thelionroars: I had the same problem but waited a few hours before reboot (when the CPU and HDD calmed down)
[18:25] <cyclick> BluesKaj: is that from a third party
[18:25] <thelionroars> I should have waited it out, could have worked
[18:26] <BluesKaj> cyclick, no
[18:27] <cyclick> BluesKaj: does it fix bluetooth and wifi issues ?
[18:27] <BluesKaj> it's the where the devs place their new packages before putting them in the official repos
[18:27] <BluesKaj> it's place
[18:27] <Hairo> that sounds unstable
[18:27] <BluesKaj> cyclick, dsunno
[18:27] <cyclick> BluesKaj: so it's like pre-beta yet it is still more stable then the current stable release of kubuntu?
[18:28] <BluesKaj> it's not prebeta in this case
[18:29] <BluesKaj> but it's your decision, the plasma 5.3 package fixes alot of small problems
[18:29] <cyclick> I guess I can't complain too much since it's free but I lost some faith in Kubuntu ...
[18:29] <Hairo> does plasma 5.3 fix the old systray icons dissapering (ie: dropbox, skype, etc)?
[18:29] <MoonUnit`> it's a big step, i didn't like 4.0 when it came out.
[18:30] <Poca> plasma 5.3 is working like a charm
[18:30] <BluesKaj> anyway  I'm happier with the performance of 5.3 than I was with 5.2
[18:30] <cyclick> thank BluesKaj
[18:30] <Poca> even MEGAsync systray is working right now Hairo
[18:30] <BluesKaj> Hairo, not yet
[18:30] <Hairo> :V
[18:30] <alvin> The fixed release date and having to use PPA's is a downside from being an Ubuntu derivate. That PPA is highly recommended, but it's not always clear for new users that the packages are built by the Kubuntu maintainers. I understand why some would consider it unstable, while it is not.
[18:30] <BluesKaj> for dropbox at least
[18:31] <BluesKaj> and hosted by 3rd parties :)
[18:31] <BluesKaj> alvin, ^
[18:31] <Poca> BluesKaj: it's working for me
[18:31] <Poca> lol
[18:31] <Poca> I'll take a screenshot
[18:31] <alvin> Launchpad?
[18:31] <alvin> or Dropbox?
[18:32] <cyclick> alvin: why wouldn't you consider it unstable if it's not part of the current "stable" kubuntu ...
[18:32] <BluesKaj> launchpad is thought of a s a3rd party by some users
[18:32] <alvin> Ah, lol, ok :-)
[18:33] <Poca> Hairo: BluesKaj http://i.imgur.com/vvJWUb2.png
[18:33] <alvin> True enough. I used to ignore the PPA too, especially for LTS releases, but they do contain bugfixes. (and new bugs of course, but mostly fixes)
[18:33] <Poca> It works!
[18:34] <Hairo> the lack of dropbox integration is a big annoyance for me
[18:34] <Hairo> in dolphin
[18:34] <Hairo> and the missing systray icon
[18:34] <BluesKaj> Poca, which icon is dropbox ?
[18:34] <Poca> I don't use dropbox
[18:34] <Poca> I prefer MEGA
[18:35] <Poca> :)
[18:35] <alvin> Dropbox was never integrated into Dolphin, right?
[18:35] <Poca> never
[18:35] <Poca> only to nautilus
[18:35] <alvin> Even ownCloud isn't.
[18:35] <BluesKaj> Hairo, dropbox works , it just doesn't appear in my system tray
[18:35] <Poca> alvin: there was a third party plugin for dolphin also
[18:35] <Poca> but...I don't know if it still alive...
[18:36] <Poca> I recommend MEGA, 50GB for free
[18:36] <Poca> really nice
[18:36] <BluesKaj> dropbox for KDE ,  http://www.nixternal.com/kde-and-dropbox/
[18:37] <cyclick> 50GB for free until the CIA grabs it ;|
[18:37] <Poca> same for all
[18:37] <Poca> haha
[18:38] <Hairo> BluesKaj: 'that's a really old post
[18:38] <Hairo> i liked the nautilus integration
[18:38] <BluesKaj> well , my kids use dropbox , so we exchange files with it and it works fine , just no icon in the system tray in 15.04
[18:39] <Poca> cool :)
[18:39] <BluesKaj> Hairo, it installed fine here, but it's like some other links that don't work yet with plsama 5
[18:40] <Hairo> i have it installed and i know it works
[18:40] <BluesKaj> i just bookmarked it in firefox and it works from there
[18:41] <Hairo> but not having any kind of feedback is kinda annoying
[18:41] <Hairo> not even notifications
[18:44] <BluesKaj> Hairo, it will work eventually I'm sure , think 15.04 was released a little too soon
[18:47] <iroh5> None of the Mountain Time options work when setting the desktop time--it shows time as UTC-7 instead of UTC-6, while Pacific Time, and Central Time show correctly.  Is this a bug?
[18:48] <cyclick> next major release, I will wait 1 month to install it
[18:49] <Martin7738> I find the new kubuntu really slow, mainly when switching the active window, kubuntu sometimes freezes or lag. (I didn't have this problem on ubuntu or linux mint). Is there anything to do ?
[18:50] <cyclick> Martin7738: on my computer that is the only thing that appears to be better with 15.04... it is fast
[18:51] <Martin7738> Oh, ok. Is there any parameter by chance tht
[18:51] <Martin7738> at
[18:52] <Martin7738> that may disable some visual effect and make kubuntu working better ? Otherwise I'll try to reinstall it.
[19:08] <iroh5> How do I fix the Mountain Daylight Savings Time discrepency (showing UTC-7 instead of UTC-6 on the desktop clock?
[19:13] <Fleck> http://imgur.com/RbF38Mi << seems like many KDE apps have problems with kio... gwenview also in the list, can't use browse after upgrade to KDE Plasma... ideas?
[19:24] <mrbazgrol> witam
[19:24] <genii> !pl
[20:47] <Etriaph> G'day folks.
[20:58] <bprompt_> g'day
[21:03] <genii> !torrents
[21:04] <thelionroars> g'day g'day
[21:08] <Etriaph> Anyone having any issues today?
[21:08] <Etriaph> Anything I could try to assist with?
[21:10] <bprompt_> I have an issue, my toenail clipper is too small... if I could get a bigger one, that'd help, also was wondering of a good deodorant brand or type
[21:10] <Etriaph> Well... I suggest a good life coach in that case. :D
[21:11] <bprompt_> a good life couch?    hmm  ohh coach....ok =)
[21:11] <Etriaph> haha
[21:16] <valorie> iroh5: that is really strange
[21:16] <valorie> are your system time and date correct?
[21:17] <valorie> in other words, do you get a correct readout from the command `date` in a konsole?
[21:17] <valorie> mine says:
[21:17] <valorie> $ date
[21:17] <valorie> Fri May  1 14:16:56 PDT 2015
[21:18] <valorie> but then I am in PDT
[21:56] <jonah> Hi can anyone please help and paste in what the correct /etc/lsb-release contents should be for Kubuntu 15.04?
[21:56] <jonah> thanks please for any help. I installed using ubuntu but now I'd like to update so that my Kubuntu conversion knows it is Kubuntu not ubuntu !
[21:57] <valorie> jonah: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10965659/
[21:57] <valorie> kubuntu IS ubuntu
[22:01] <jonah> valorie: thank you that did the trick!!
[22:04] <valorie> excellent
[22:13] <acz32> anyone know how to set KRename to rename files in yyyy-mm-dd format instead of the default, which seems to be mm-dd-yyyy
[22:14] <valorie> odd default given that ISO dates are year-month-day, as is logical
[22:14] <valorie> only Murricans use the month day, year format
[22:15] <valorie> <--- Murrican
[22:15] <Etriaph> acz32: There are Date and System functions
[22:15] <Etriaph> acz32: You can construct it from that.
[22:15] <Etriaph> acz32: In addition to the Date & Time Plugin
[22:19] <acz32> Etriaph: i was using [creationdate] preset which uses exif data to rename to when the picture was taken
[22:19] <acz32> looks like you can do [creationdate;yyyy-MM-dd] to get it to work
[22:21] <stevesss1> hi.. kubuntu bug
[22:21] <valorie> stevesss1: ?
[22:21] <stevesss1> kubuntu wont work with mysql-5.6 becuase akonadi-backend-mysql requires exactly mysql-server-core-5.5 and mysql-client-core-5.5
[22:22] <stevesss1> and akonadi-server(which can work with sqlite backend or postgresql backend)  requires only akonadi-backend-mysql and makes the others optional
[22:22] <stevesss1> kdepim and bunches of other backages require akonadi-server
[22:22] <valorie> stevesss1: can you join #kubuntu-devel to discuss this?
[22:22] <stevesss1> sure
[22:22] <valorie> as it is a packaging issue
[23:39] <Etriaph> Anyone experienced this one? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346851
[23:42] <soee> Etriaph: shouldnt happen in 5.3
[23:43] <Etriaph> soee: I get it if I try to set application settings for certain windows.
[23:43] <soee> Etriaph: on 5.3 ?
[23:43] <Etriaph> Amarok is one of those.
[23:44] <Etriaph> Let me try it again, to be sure.
[23:45] <Etriaph> Oy, OK it didn't crash that time, but it didn't come out right :D
[23:46] <Etriaph> Nope, just did it again.
[23:48] <soee> Etriaph: what Plasma version ?
[23:48] <Etriaph> I'm on 15.04 w/5.3 PPA enabled.
[23:48] <Etriaph> I added a comment with a stack trace to that bug.
[23:49] <soee> Etriaph: ok than, it is your bug report ?
[23:49] <Etriaph> Nope, I'm just stating that I've experienced it too, added my trace.
[23:49] <Etriaph> Trying to give developers as much as I can to stabilize all of this.
[23:50] <soee> Etriaph: yes comment it, so it will be confirmed
[23:50] <soee> what setting you were changing ? ill try to reproduce
[23:50] <Etriaph> Amaork, 'Special Window Settings', change position and size to remember, leave values at default, kdeinit5 crashes when I save it
[23:52] <soee> Etriaph: no crash for me
[23:53] <Etriaph> Well they have my stack trace, should I set this bug to confirmed, or leave it with the extra information in the same state?
[23:54] <soee> just leave the comment