[00:01] http://imgur.com/RbF38Mi << seems like many KDE apps have problems with kio... gwenview also in the list, can't use browse after upgrade to KDE Plasma... ideas? [00:06] ping [00:47] I think this link should be in the channel topic somewhere http://everytimezone.com/ [00:48] hi. is it possible to downgrade plasma-desktop to kde-plasma-desktop on 15.04? [00:51] * Remove kde-standard, kde-full, kde-plasma-desktop and kde-plasma-netbook metapackages, kubuntu has its own meta packages [00:51] Not sure if it matters, but I think I'm using Xubuntu [00:52] I have a number of DEs installed, but I think the iso was for xubuntu originally [00:53] codebrainz: cat /var/log/installer/ (can't remember the file) will say. But, what exactly is it you're looking for? [00:54] when I was using 14.04 it had a different KDE, this new one is slick but it has some bugs that make it not usable for me, so I want to go back to the older KDE (4?) [00:55] codebrainz: I agree, so I went back to 14.04 [00:55] can ubuntu downgrade? [00:55] or you re-installed? [00:56] codebrainz: You can not downgrade, no. [00:57] bummer. I've had this install since like 11.04 [00:57] codebrainz: creating backup images is wise [00:57] cat /var/log/installer/media-info to know for sure when it was. :P [00:58] neat. Xubuntu 12.10 "Quantal Quetzal" [00:58] i think that's when I bought my SSD :) [01:02] cat /etc/lsb-release? [01:03] me? === miguel is now known as Guest22535 [02:04] Hi there, I have some performance problems caused by plasma-desktop while idling: http://pasteboard.co/7Qkql9j.png [02:04] can anybody help? [02:06] Hello! Is someone there? [02:06] yea, hi martin____! [02:15] Hey guys, even after setting my external monitor from my laptop as primary.. I notice whenever I reboot windows default to open on my laptop screen vs external HDMI..is there somewhere to fix that? [02:15] Hey [02:16] Русские тут бывают? [02:16] !ru | hhypest [02:16] hhypest: Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke. [02:30] valorie: The dolphing bug I reported turned out to be a duplicate of this https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345174 [02:30] KDE bug 345174 in general "[kdelibs] [kdebase-dolphin] Added folders to left panel "Places" disappear" [Minor,Resolved: fixed] [02:30] valorie: Fixed in 4.14.8 and 15.04.1 [02:30] Just have to wait for that to trickle down [02:33] Also, if anyone has been a little annoyed at that bug in Dolphin, until a patch hits, you can still create a 'Places' entry. [02:34] Workaround: Create a 'Places' entry in an open dialog in any application but set it so it's not specific to that application and it'll be shown in Dolphin === kubuntu is now known as Guest80675 [02:46] http://i.imgur.com/z4FaCkO.png I have a zombie locking up fuse, and even though it's sitting under init, it refuses to be reaped. Any ideas how to resolve this beyond rebooting? [03:10] The only thing you can try to do is kill the parent PID [03:11] Looking at the parent, it looks like it might log you out though [03:42] I have a loosely kubuntu question... so in systemsettings in kubuntu I can change font rendering settings, however in other ubuntu spins if I install systemsettings it's missing font and even qt theme options [03:43] this seems to be a packaging issue, which 14.04 does not have [03:43] (on 15.04) [03:48] Plasma desktop is completely unresponsive, how can I restart it? Taskbar at bottom responds to neither mouse or whatever, doesn't update either (clock shows time of 3 hours ago).. In KDE4 I could plasma-desktop but that no longer appears to be working [03:50] interesting I have that too [03:50] cool thing this plasma-desktop [03:50] blubberbop: what version of plasma do you have [03:51] And this is why I went back to 14.04 after a few days of fussing with 15.04. Just not ready for my system I guess [03:51] it happened since 14.10 [03:53] Can someone with a 15.04 install of kubuntu tell me what package lets me config font rendering in systemsettings? === aldo is now known as aldo__ === aldo__ is now known as espinaferoz [03:54] que de bueno por aqui??? [03:55] !es | espinaferoz [03:55] espinaferoz: En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba " /join #ubuntu-es " (sin comillas) y presione intro. [03:57] ok [03:57] stdin[]: I think it's kde-base, but let me confirm. [04:04] stdin[]: It's a package called systemsettings [04:04] If you have it installed you can: sudo dpkg-query -L systemsettings [04:05] I installed systemsettings and it has only two options: desktop behavior and network settings [04:05] font/theme settings are not here, however when I install systemsettings in 14.04 they are there [04:07] so there's a dep one would normally expect to be installed, not being [04:07] Are you on 15.04 with the 5.3 PPA or 15.04 plain [04:07] plain 15.04 [04:07] OK, my system is different from yours then. [04:07] Things are fairly stable with the 5.3 PPA [04:07] hmm [04:07] I'm not recommending that you use it [04:08] But it'd be interesting to see if it fixes the problem. [04:09] I've never been without Font configuration since 15.04 beta. [04:10] where's the ppa? [04:10] The file you're looking for is /usr/share/kservices5/settings-appearance-font.desktop I would bet [04:10] Look in that folder to see what you have there. [04:10] Finding the PPA [04:11] ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports [04:11] ya, that file is not there [04:11] gonna add ppa [04:12] I'll see if I can figure out which package provides it, give me a bit [04:13] whatever it is, it totally needs to be re-added as a dep as without noone uses a non-kubuntu won't get font control in systemsettings [04:14] stdin[]: Check this out: https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/plasma-desktop_4:5.2.0-1.html [04:14] Look at the packages list. [04:14] I'm assuming you have plasma-desktop installed, there are other packages there that may be of interest. [04:15] libkfontinst5 libkfontinstui5 plasma-desktop-data in particular. [04:15] i added the first two but not the third, will do [04:16] none of those 3 are a systemsettings dep in vanilla 15.04 [04:16] the first two make sense if you're on a gtk desktop, but the third... [04:17] (by make sense I mean, you'd already have control of that) [04:17] Well it's a dep in Debian, I don't know how the packaging translates to Ubuntu. [04:18] Have you tried reinstalling systemsettings? [04:19] damnit [04:20] ok so when i add plasma-desktop-data all of the missing systemsettings options are now here [04:20] but if i open one [04:20] the shared library was not found [04:20] so more missing deps [04:21] libkfontinst5 libkfontinstui5 plasma-desktop-data systemsettings installed [04:21] So you see the options, but they are unusable? [04:22] let me look at stderr [04:22] Error loading plugin "kcm_fonts" "The shared library was not found." [04:22] Plugin search paths are ("/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins", "/usr/bin") [04:22] The environment variable QT_PLUGIN_PATH might be not correctly set [04:22] Error loading plugin: "The shared library was not found." [04:23] (i'm on the ppa now btw) [04:23] Have you done a: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ? [04:23] just tried, 0 things to change [04:24] soo, have to find the package that has kcm_fonts now... [04:25] ugh it's in plasma-desktop [04:26] WOW REALLY 164 packages jsut so I can change qt font rendering [04:26] in 14.04 i only needed 5 [04:26] now I need a total of 200+ :-/ [04:27] Well it's updating many packages, but you were likely missing them. [04:27] perhaps a new qt version? [04:27] 15.04 is just so broken. [04:27] My 15.04 desktop is as stable as my KDE 4 desktop was in 14.04 [04:28] Apparently, you haven't tried changing themes. [04:28] There were some bumps and bruises, but it was only for about 3 days during the beta. [04:28] Breeze dark gives you a white-on-white taskbar, for instance. [04:28] plasma 5 is misssing the oxygen settings for removing the side borders to a window :-/ [04:28] Not for me. [04:28] Lucky you. Lots of unanswered questions on askubuntu and the like [04:28] https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1422687/breeze_dark.png [04:29] I did *not* upgrade though. [04:29] my xfce and kde desktops looks the same lol i even use dolphin on both [04:29] 15.04 is also considered "experimental" [04:31] I wish Ubuntu just went annual [04:31] 8 months is awkward [04:32] http://i.imgur.com/Zn8HWF4.png @ Etriaph, and it's not experimental. 14.0x is LTS now [04:32] I know that others are having issues. [04:33] I upgraded, but also completely removed .kde and .config to rebuild my settings from scratch [04:33] But my experience has been that it's working fairly well. [04:33] AND FINALLY it works, I can control fonts [04:33] stdin[]: Grats :D [04:33] Only took 200 packages and 300MB [04:33] to change 1 setting :-/ [04:33] hi all [04:34] I think you just needed to get updated versions of everything stdin[] [04:34] is there a way to start the upgrade process without having to type in the password?!? [04:34] And my experience has been it's more broken than Redhat 7. [04:34] stdin[]: Now do a sudo apt-get autoremove just to clean out anything that may still be around. [04:34] N3X15_: You had me at RedHat [04:35] Etriaph: no, you see in 14.04 the font control library was a standalone thing, now it's part of the plasma-desktop [04:35] stdin[]: It's consolidation of concern, imo. It's nice that the environment and the display server are working more closely together. [04:36] I remember running KDE 1 back in the day, running my desktop with startx [04:36] Etriaph: when they re org'd the packages tehy forgot about things like "what if a non-kde needs this" [04:37] Most of the changes are good but some things mean you have to pull almost all of KDE just for a few simple qt settings [04:37] My font settings affect anything run in Xorg that uses AA [04:37] I run without AA, soooo shart on high res high dpi [04:37] sharp* [04:38] I use slight vertical RGB [04:38] 1920x1080 [04:38] ya at 1080 i run full hint, at 2600 i run raw, no aa or hint, mm pixels === Malsasa_ is now known as Malsasa [04:40] https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1422687/breeze_light.png Slight is a little easier to read than full I find [04:41] ya that looks good [04:41] I find full is a little much. [04:42] the type of LCD has a big effect [04:42] how do you adjust the RGB settings? I forgot [04:42] RGB settings? [04:43] stdin[]: LED 21" for me [04:43] Meant to say AA, not RGB [04:43] LED = LCD with LED backlight [04:43] gunndawg: System Settings - Fonts [04:43] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/breeze/+bug/1415644 [04:43] Launchpad bug 1415644 in breeze (Ubuntu) "Breeze Dark does not switch application menu/launcher to dark themes" [Undecided,New] [04:43] stdin[]: And very crisp definition over HDMI [04:43] Seems to be an issue with graphics drivers. No workaround. [04:44] AMD FINALLY MAKING GOOD DRIVERS [04:44] The 280 and above are getting the next-gen ones [04:45] I'm on Nvidia here, for others who may be having issues [04:45] 750 GTX [04:45] nvidia has great linux drivers, but only the closed ones [04:46] closed = useless [04:46] Well playing games on my Linux desktop is a blast. [04:46] It's a virtualbox having the issies. [04:46] on amd you can play Metro/L4D2 on the open and closed ones :) [04:46] *issues [04:46] Linux has more games than console ayyyy lmao [04:47] I play L4D2, CS:S, Half-Life 2, Don't Starve, Civ V, Borderlands 2 [04:47] Usually with better performance than Windows 7 :D [04:48] Yeah, I'd like to switch to Linux someday, but I do a lot of windows development work. [04:48] N3X15_: What kind of development? [04:48] I wrote the plugin system for Kerbal Space Program, for instance. [04:48] Windows in VMWare or KVM works perfectly [04:48] Virtualbox is ok but useless at 3D [04:49] N3X15_: Ah, that's interesting :D [04:49] Yeah. Don't have enough money for VMWare or I'd use it. [04:50] I've done all kinds of development since I started in the late 90s [04:50] Recently it's Ruby on Rails [04:50] My current project is trying to integrate tup with CMake. [04:50] It's not going well. [04:51] Something causes it to turn into a unreapable zombie process and lock up fuse. [04:52] best kde software: kdevelop, kate, dolphin [04:52] I've been using atom lately. [04:52] In a vim vs emacs argument I say i use kate and they get angry U NUB [04:53] Kate, dolphin, Basket, Konsole, Yakuake, Krita, Kontact [04:54] I use Choqok too, but it's kinda meh atm [04:56] Sometimes I do prefer vi [04:56] Emacs I haven't used in about 10 years. [04:57] LXQt + kde software = yum [04:57] For those who like very minimal desktops... [04:59] Aaaand I figured out the issue with tup. strcmp vs. strlen :V [05:00] I always forget is strcmp stops at the null or continues comparing the rest of the array [05:01] N3X15_: That tends to cause problems :D [05:10] I'm on 15.04, updated as far as possible.. Plasma desktop is completely unresponsive, how can I restart it? Taskbar at bottom responds to neither mouse or whatever, doesn't update either (clock shows time of 3 hours ago).. In KDE4 I could plasma-desktop but that no longer appears to be working === David1977 is now known as Guest36641 [05:17] blubberbop: Kill the process 'startkde' [05:17] It'll log you out. [05:17] If you do: ps auxw | grep startkde [05:17] The first process owned by root, kill that. [05:17] blubberbop: what graphics driver? nouveau breaks on me [05:24] Etriaph: I do not want to have to logout, then I can just as well reboot.. Isn't there (like with KDE4) a way to just restart plasma? kwin is very buggy as well and crashes regularly, but I can kwin_x11 --replace and continue working without reboot [05:24] I'm looking for a non-reboot option here, and logging out is practically the same [05:24] You can stop plasmashell and manually run it again [05:24] I have an nvidia card, using an official nvidia driver [05:24] As do I. [05:26] By the way, not sure if its KDE or Kubuntu, but woah, it is VERY VERY unstable.. Worst distro version I've ever installed.. If I go CTRL-SHIFT-F1 to text console, then back, the entire screen is a complete mess with pieces of windows and images flying over eachother, and I have to reboot.. kwin crashes nearly always at login.. plasma freezes regularly.. Many of my stored settings are gone upon reboot, etc.. [05:26] Etriaph: How would I stop and start the plasma shell? [05:27] Etriaph: ah, I fould "plasmashell" [05:27] I can just kill that process and restart it? [05:27] Yup [05:27] Should be safe to do [05:27] But if it's another process causing the unresponsive behavior that isn't plasmashell, you may experience it agian [05:27] s/agian/again [05:29] reading up, I notice that people are still using `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade` [05:29] much better to use `sudo apt full-upgrade` which will autoremove when necessary [05:31] valorie: Ah, good tip [05:31] it still sounds scary, but it works really well [05:32] To make an omelet.. [05:32] Or omelette rather :D [05:33] valorie: Did you see my messages about dolphin? [05:34] valorie: I'd like to get you to test a workaround I've found, if you're up for it, not a crazy process. [05:35] yes, also I got the emails from bko [05:35] Just a matter of waiting for those patches to end up in the repos [05:35] I read the workaround in the comments but didn't really understand what they are talking about [05:38] valorie: If you create a 'Place' in an open file dialog and uncheck the box to only show in that application (whichever app you ran) it'll save globally and show up in dolphin [05:38] So if you used Krita (which is what I used to do it) you can setup places in that app that show up in dolphin [05:38] but *what* "open file dialog"? [05:39] Run a KDE 4 app and select File -> Open [05:39] like in Kate? [05:39] The file selection dialog that opens [05:39] I don't know if it'll work for kate, it's kf5 [05:39] dolphin is still kde 4 [05:39] right [05:39] You could try it though [05:39] maybe in ktorrent, I know that is kde4 [05:40] Yup, that's a good option [05:40] Amarok too maybe, I think it's kde 4 [05:40] Yup, still kde 4 for amarok [05:41] seems to have worked [05:41] reopening dolphin, still there [05:41] that would have saved me some time last weekend [05:42] *nods* Me too, been aching to have that feature back. [05:45] valorie: I upgraded 14.10 > 15.04 using muon, and well, I can recommend not upgrading that one.. The upgrade hung half way, I finished it with dpkg --configure -a, all appeared to finish correctly, I rebooted and had a dead machine, apparently due to systemd.. I needed to do a clean install to get something functional, though be it barely, because 15.04 so far has been the most unstable of all versions of kubuntu so far :( got a long long list of [05:45] problems [05:46] blubberbop: I did the same on two other systems and it went flawlessly [05:46] this box got a clean install [05:46] blubberbop: have you been filing bug reports? [05:46] I have personally found it very stable on even my very old slow tiny netbook (atom) [05:47] all I'm missing is a few of my old favorite plasmoids [05:47] pastebin in particular [05:47] but also weather [05:47] valorie: I've lost 2 working days due to my naive thinking I could do an upgrade and continue working, even the clean reinstall has been hard to keep "up", so I've been a bit busy with keeping up with work, but tomorrow i'll file bugs for the issues I have [05:47] valorie: amen on pastebin :D [05:48] thank you, I appreciate that [05:48] valorie: kwin crashes right after login, always.. plasma freezes regularly, but right now I know how to restart both of them without having to reboot or logout so thats okay [05:48] blubberbop: Sounds like something strange went on with your install. [05:48] blubberbop: Are you using the 5.3 ppa? [05:48] valorie: Bigger issue though is sddm booting into a black screen.. gotta drop to text shell, then systemctl restart sddm.service like 10 times before I finally see the sddm login screen [05:49] blubberbop: are you using nvidia? [05:49] blubberbop: That's some of the behavior I had in beta 2 [05:49] Etriaph: I did a clean install, did not install any PPA yet.. IF there is a PPA that can make a safe upgrade to a newer KDE5, I'm ALL ears! [05:49] blubberbop: please try `systemctl restore sddm` next time [05:49] valorie: nvidia, yeah [05:49] valorie: thanks, will try that [05:49] nvidia seems cursed lately [05:50] http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5.3 [05:50] I feel lucky to have intel [05:50] valorie: also, if I go to text console CTRL-ALT-F1, then back to KDE, my screen looks like a jigsaw puzzle nightmare of pieces of screens flowing over eachother, and I have to reboot to get it right [05:50] Setup that PPA and do a: sudo apt-get full-upgrade (is that correct val?) [05:50] the restore option fixed my b [05:50] black screen issue [05:50] sudo apt full-upgrade [05:51] apt is the new apt-get [05:51] hard to teach to your fingers for awhile though [05:51] Also be sure to do: sudo apt update [05:51] valorie: I always hated the - in apt-get (don't ask why).. so apt will be good for me [05:51] After you setup the PPA [05:51] right, update and then full-upgrade [05:52] valorie: Etriaph: Just to be sure.. You guys are sure this will get me a better KDE? I Really don't want to have to reinstall my machine again :( [05:52] it's been good for me [05:52] No, not "sure" [05:53] Also, I want my semi transparent plasma toolbars and stuff! I looked at the theme installer, only one, but I could install more, so i checked and I saw a lot of.. KDE4 themes.. I do take it those won't work on KDE5? [05:53] But if you're encountering all of these issues, would you agree it likely can't be worse? [05:53] blubberbop: very few people have had the bad experience you have had [05:53] Etriaph: but "should"? [05:53] I like Breeze Dark [05:53] blubberbop: I'm on Nvidia, 15.04 with the 5.3 PPA and I've had 0 stability issues for the desktop. [05:53] valorie: Reminds me: A friend of mine setup the wine ppa, and promptly could not instal wine. Even removing the ppa, he could not get wine to run [05:54] hmmm [05:54] !wine [05:54] WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help - See !virtualizers for running Windows (or another OS) inside Ubuntu [05:54] I'm using stock wine, and it works fine for me. [05:54] Etriaph: I've had... many issues on the desltop... [05:54] valorie: Oh I know, its just something that popped in my head [05:54] I haven't used wine for years [05:54] * valorie would rather drink the stuff [05:54] bbiab, smoke break. [05:54] so far I've seen system settings like keybindings not being stored (reboot, and they're gone) [05:55] blubberbop: I think you are not alone in that [05:55] valorie: lol, yeah, I think he uses it for one specific program that has no good linux counterpart [05:55] I've heard that same complaint in #kde [05:55] valorie: Ah? So its not me [05:55] sure, i understand why people need it [05:55] valorie: I've also had issues with kwallet.. I setup the password, reboot, password not accepted.. damn [05:55] I just have no useful input, as I'm not a user [05:56] Also, sudo password spam, oh god [05:56] I had that problem about 9 months ago, then somehow it was fixed [05:56] kwallet I mean [05:56] Whenever I do sudo something, sometimes I get this.. daemon that spams all over the place that I need to type the sudo password [05:56] VERY anoying if you have like 20 shells open, and all of them go nuts [05:56] are you using sudo rather than kdesudo? [05:57] perhaps? [05:57] if you are running a graphical application, it should always be kdesudo [05:57] valorie: I havent had kwallet problems for years until 15.04.. I always used to go striaght for kubuntu alphas when they came out, never a problem, until KDE4.. then I waited for the official releases and that was good.. some defails here and there, but okay.. 15.04 official release, so far, has been a nightmare :( [05:58] valorie: I always used sudo [05:58] valorie: I don't want to have to go to a window for text stuff [05:58] well, that can mess up permissions [05:58] valorie: also, I use full encryption and my swap partition is encrypted as well [05:58] !kdesudo [05:58] In KDE use « kdesudo » to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! | See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to find out why. [05:59] woah [05:59] hardcore [05:59] valorie: actually, THAT is the thing being spammed.. About my swap password being required.. for what? And if I simply press enter, it just ignores whatever it was asking and continues... [05:59] I haven't a clue there [05:59] that sounds like a question for a #linux chan [05:59] valorie: my laptop contains the keys to like 50 servers of 10 different customers, I don't want unauthorized people having any access whatsoever if this baby ever gets robbed.. [05:59] ah, got it [06:00] I already used home directory encryption, but for safety, I thought, what the heck, lets encrypt all.. But now this spamming is driving me nuts [06:00] dunno -- gotta go afk for a few [06:02] trying your apt update.. lets see kde5.3! :D [06:03] * Etriaph is back. [06:04] Etriaph: Quick other question.. You know if there are any semi transparent themes available for KDE5? IF I try to get more themes, I see KDE4 themes, and correct me if I am wrong, but I doubt those are compatible... [06:04] Etriaph: upgrading to 5.3 [06:04] blubberbop: They do work, I have a few installed. [06:05] Etriaph: They do? Cool! Installing those.. [06:05] Some have been ported to Plasma 5 now too. [06:05] Caledonia is one of those. [06:05] Etriaph: I am looking for a semi transparent one.. transparency done right looks sweet and can be helpful actually [06:06] Etriaph: I shoul be able to see KDE version with KDE window > help > about kde, right? I see there framework version 5.9.0, that cant be right? [06:07] That's the correct version. [06:07] Right click on the desktop, select Desktop Settings, if you see the 'Tweaks' module you're on our version. [06:09] https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1422687/volatile-5.3.png [06:09] That's me using Volatile plasma theme [06:09] Semi-translucent [06:14] Etriaph: I don;t see the "Tweaks" option in the menu [06:14] So you added the repo, did an update, then did an apt full-upgrade? [06:14] You'll likely have to logout fyi :D [06:14] Etriaph: okay, just did the apt full-upgrade and that crashed... crap [06:14] Oy [06:15] Etriaph: Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libkf5people-data_5.8.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb [06:15] Etriaph: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/libkpeople.mo', which is also in package libkpeople4 0.3.0-0ubuntu1 [06:15] Did you use sudo? [06:15] sudo apt full-upgrade [06:15] Now I might be crazy but.. libkpeople4, would that be KDE4? [06:16] Etriaph: yeah, without sudo it would not work [06:16] I always use sudo :P [06:16] Just being sure. [06:16] Etriaph: Could I do apt remove libkpeople4 ? [06:16] You *can* [06:17] No I can't because apt is stuck in installing the other one [06:17] I don't know if you *should* [06:17] But you could always re-add it [06:17] WhaWhat would be solution here? [06:18] I'm not sure. I haven't encountered any major issues since before release. [06:18] Remove libkpeople4 and try again [06:18] If it was required for something else, you could always reinstall it [06:19] Etriaph: Seems to be for telepathy or soemthing, I'm not using htat [06:19] Etriaph: Could I cancel this current upgrade first? BEcause apt is stuck on that now [06:19] Ya, cancel it [06:19] If it's hanging it's not doing any good atm [06:21] Etriaph: But how would I cancel it? There is no such thing as apt-get abort AFAIK [06:21] CTRL+C if it's in terminal [06:22] N3X15_: apt-get is stuck in limbo for an upgrade, whatever I do with apt-get now gives me that error, so I am very much stuck, but not in the ctrl-c way [06:23] Save your work, reboot the machine. [06:23] It's what I would do right at this moment. [06:23] Etriaph: Umm, but apt-get has this stuff stored in its DB, reboot would not do anything there, would it? [06:24] When running an experimental version of an OS, trying to get it stable is often taken in baby steps. [06:25] Your debugging process could take a while, patch by patch, and I'll be up for about another 20 min., 2:25am here [06:25] Yeah, I"m nearly in the same timezone [06:26] Etriaph: I found a page stating I should modify /var/lib/dpkg/status [06:26] Etriaph: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1930919&page=2&s=448c11df294a0a2604156ac27c8e76da [06:26] Try it. [06:27] I've done that once or twice before. [06:27] Etriaph: SHould I remove all references to that file? [06:28] KDE 5.3 as it stands on Kubuntu is KDE 4 libs and apps running alongside KDE 5 libs, Plasma 5 Desktop and some KDE 5 apps. [06:28] Etriaph: So also "Depends: libkf5people-data blah blah, remove that library from those lines too? [06:28] blubberbop: You *can* do that, yes. I'm not a Kubuntu tech support rep., just a user donating some time to assistance if I can. [06:29] At this point you're in the "let's see if we can get this to finish a full upgrade" territory [06:29] Etriaph: Just mentioning it because I remove that package, and dpkg put it back there again [06:29] I know... [06:29] blubberbop: It might, just try it. [06:29] Worst case scenario you can install 14.04 and not format the partition your /home is on [06:30] But I can tell you there are those running 5.3 without your issues on 15.04, I'm one of them. [06:30] Etriaph: Aaannd it finished the install [06:30] I would reboot. [06:30] From what I've seen, this lib is only required for telepathy or somehing [06:30] Then see how it goes. [06:30] Etriaph: I first want to fix this issue.. I'll see if I can uninstall the kde4 version then install the 5... [06:31]