[12:07] <jlbhshluekg> .
[12:07] <jlbhshluekg> did usa intelligence supply isis with weapons like they did with al-qaeda to justify creating wars?
[12:07] <jlbhshluekg> did usa excute the creative mess in the middle east like they said they will, does the creative mess include explosions with uncertain responsibles to create wars?
[12:07] <jlbhshluekg> plz, send my qs to help limiting usa & israel aggression against others& may then lessen number of people killed in the middle east.
[12:07] <jlbhshluekg> .did usa intelligence supply isis with weapons like they did with al-qaeda to justify creating wars?
[16:23] <melodie> hi
[16:24] <melodie> I would like to ask some details about the way some parts of Launchpad work. I have an account and and old ppa for precise there and need to move on to know things
[16:24] <melodie> if someone can give me hints on how to do things best next, it would be nice
[16:24] <cjwatson> sure
[16:25] <melodie> hi cjwatson
[16:25] <melodie> here is my nest: https://launchpad.net/~meets
[16:26] <melodie> I would like to do two things next, start a ppa repos for trusty and vivid, copy a few ppa from other ppa's repos (ones I use, so I have only one ppa to add to my system) and the other thing, a new package project. Should I "branch" that? How should I get it organized?
[16:27] <melodie> the name for the ppa should be bento
[16:27] <teward> melodie: create a new PPA
[16:27] <melodie> hi teward
[16:27] <melodie> with the name bento then?
[16:27] <cjwatson> Whatever you like.
[16:28] <melodie> and then can I put different types of ppa packages in it?
[16:28] <teward> just create a new PPA, give it whatever name you choose, and do different uploads with different version strings which point to specific releases
[16:28] <teward> melodie: you just have to upload the packages, but yes
[16:28] <cjwatson> Or copy.
[16:28] <teward> true
[16:29] <melodie> to make my question more precise, in future ppa:bento can I put both packages I will create and packages I'll get from other ppa repos?
[16:29] <teward> melodie: my nginx staging PPAs, and then ~nginx ppas are a prime example of my environment.  THe staging PPAs get uploads from me to it.  `init-system-helpers` was copied in from elsewhere.  with each new nginx version, I repackage locally on my computer, and upload to the staging PPA where it builds
[16:29] <teward> melodie: lets evaluate things separately though... first, packages you create, you can just upload them (dput, etc.) and the PPA page gives you the upload commands.  You have to upload source packages though, not binary .debs
[16:30] <melodie> yes I know about no debs
[16:30] <teward> you can easily copy from one PPA to another, depending on the PPA on the source side
[16:30] <melodie> I just want to know how to add things to my ~meets account
[16:31] <melodie> "depending on the PPA on the source side" ?
[16:31] <melodie> what does this part mean?
[16:31] <teward> some private ppas will complain
[16:31] <teward> most public ones don't care
[16:31] <melodie> ok
[16:31] <melodie> what does complain look like?
[16:31] <melodie> I'll copy only ppa's that I'm already using in the Bento Openbox project
[16:31] <teward> impossible to explain and irrelevant for most PPAs
[16:31]  * teward yawns
[16:32] <melodie> teward ok so I don't care. :)
[16:32] <teward> urgh, nginx ftbfs again
[16:32]  * teward throws nginx 1.9.0 out the window, and the sbuild box with it
[16:32] <melodie> I use only ppa's I have been testing locally and will add them to the Bento Project
[16:33] <melodie> then once this done, can I and should I link ~meets to the Bento Openbox project page? If yes, how can I do that?
[16:33] <melodie> https://launchpad.net/bento-dev
[16:34] <teward> melodie: stupid question but is this PPA going to be the bento group?
[16:34] <teward> s/group//
[16:34] <melodie> teward another stupid question, what is considered as a "group"? If I understand it right it will be a yes
[16:35] <melodie> I a starting to write the list of packages for a bento-desktop meta package
[16:35] <melodie> and while doing so I want to make sure the list starts to show in a new ppa repos
[16:35] <melodie> *I am starting to
[16:37] <cjwatson> There's no formal way to link a PPA to a project, but you can just edit the project description to mention it.
[16:37] <melodie> cjwatson ok, will do that. thanks
[16:38] <cjwatson> Incidentally, if you want a PPA to be worked on by multiple people, it's generally better to create a team to own it.  That's usually appropriate for something that's going to be associated with a project.
[16:39] <cjwatson> It could be owned by ~bento-dev, for instance.
[16:40] <cjwatson> Although only an administrator of a team can create PPAs owned by that team, so as currently configured you'll need to ask Gustavo Silva to do that step.  (Any team member can upload to or copy into a team-owned PPA once it's been created.)
[16:40] <melodie> does it mean creating a new account?
[16:40] <cjwatson> It's almost never necessary to create multiple Launchpad accounts per real person.
[16:40] <melodie> cjwatson then we have to change how it is configured. Gustavo only does communication
[16:40] <cjwatson> And certainly not in this case.
[16:41] <melodie> he started that page to help me but in no case will he create packages or lead the project
[16:41] <cjwatson> Somebody who only does communication is an odd choice to lead a development team.
[16:41] <melodie> yes I just didn't know how he would do that
[16:41] <cjwatson> You should probably just ask him to set you as a co-administrator of that team.
[16:41] <melodie> yes, that's what I was going to say
[16:42] <melodie> then in ~bento-dev I can create the new ppa : right?
[16:42] <cjwatson> Yes.
[16:42] <melodie> ok! I get it. thank you very much.
[16:45] <melodie> there are logs for the ubuntu chans, how long does it take to have discussions appear there?
[16:53] <cjwatson> melodie: As far as I remember, they update hourly.
[16:53] <melodie> oh good!
[16:53] <melodie> :)
[16:59] <teward> sorry i disappeared, i got busy
[16:59] <teward> :P
[16:59] <teward> but i see cjwatson has helped, melodie :)
[17:00] <melodie> teward indeed!
[17:00] <melodie> I sent the mail to gsilva
[17:01] <melodie> yesterday I had a discussion with a french guy from belgium how learns coding, he is into several languages at a time and is willing to join the project to help
[17:02] <teward> cjwatson is a resource, definitely, in fact i see cjwatson answering my questions more than all.  wgrant is second in that list of people who answer/field my questions, but most of my questions are technical or need lpadmins so meh :P
[17:03] <melodie> cjwatson is one of our very good Ubuntu gurus :D
[17:04] <melodie> always so helpful we need him
[17:05] <teward> indeed
[17:06] <melodie> teward what do you think about the sentence "less is more" ?
[17:06] <teward> cjwatson: stupid question but is the way Ubuntu's bug trackers say "Status tracked in [dev release at time]" handled at the backend level?
[17:06] <teward> been curious about that for some time
[17:06] <cjwatson> What do you mean by backend?
[17:06] <cjwatson> I mean, it's implemented in the LP webapp, but so is the rest of that page :-)
[17:07] <teward> cjwatson: as in not easily configured for other projects, and implementation wise would require development for other projects' usecase.
[17:07] <teward> just a question that's been on my mind for a while :)
[17:07] <teward> melodie: in what context?
[17:07] <melodie> I just saw the viewnior image viewer has been added to the latest 2 editions in the repos. It's very very small and works fine. So I am happy
[17:08] <teward> cjwatson: my thoughts are that such implementation has to be coded for the project at the web handler, etc.
[17:08] <melodie> smaller even than gpicview
[17:08] <teward> cjwatson: and that's really what my question was :P
[17:08] <teward> melodie: "it depends" is the answer i can give, because i'm not qualified to answer the question
[17:08] <cjwatson> teward: I believe that you get the same thing if you try to target a project bug task to the project's development focus series.
[17:08] <teward> melodie: use case is valid, feature requirements, etc., etc.
[17:08] <melodie> teward sure
[17:08] <cjwatson> teward: It's not utterly special-cased for Ubuntu, if that's what you mean.
[17:08] <teward> cjwatson: ahh, ok, cool.  perhaps I should go test that on qastaging or something to test the implemetation.
[17:09] <teward> cjwatson: that kinda answers my question, i just need a non-production environment
[17:09] <melodie> I just wanted to mention about viewnior, which brings in just about 800Kb
[17:09] <teward> we have a sandbox test env, no?
[17:09] <teward> (for just messing around with it to learn)
[17:09] <teward> hate laptops >.<
[17:09] <cjwatson> Sure, qastaging or staging is fine for that.
[17:10] <melodie> teward laptops or keyboards from laptops?
[17:10] <teward> cjwatson: probably will throw it at staging, because reasons.
[17:10] <teward> melodie: hate touchpads on laptops, give me the little track stick on some dell models anyday.
[17:10] <cjwatson> They're updated in different ways and on different schedules, but either is fine for this kind of thing.
[17:11] <teward> cjwatson: i know i ran extensive tests on my "Won't Fix for Karmic" script i had which did API calls and that was explicitly targeting one at a time for testing
[17:11] <teward> so yeah.
[17:11] <teward> cjwatson: qastaging is more cutting edge code/features no?
[17:11] <melodie> teward an added keyboard and mouse could help
[17:11] <teward> melodie: exactly, it's the failure for Ubuntu to autodisable the touchpad that irritates me
[17:11] <teward> :P
[17:11] <teward> but meh
[17:11] <teward> that's a different issue
[17:11] <melodie> teward can't gsynaptics help there?
[17:11] <cjwatson> teward: qastaging gets latest webapp code, staging gets latest database patches, but in practice the two are synced back and forth pretty frequently
[17:12] <teward> ack
[17:12] <teward> cjwatson: OK so for just messing with it to learn how the system implements features i could use either (or both), rather than production.  Thanks.
[17:12] <cjwatson> teward: The distinction matters for developers but if you just need a temporary sandbox it doesn't really matter
[17:13] <cjwatson> (hopefully) obviously neither is guaranteed to preserve changes for particularly long
[17:13] <teward> cjwatson: implementation wise, is there any way to say "If $anyseries is targeted, then track status in $anyseries rather than at project level"?  That sounds like an edge case but meh
[17:13] <teward> cjwatson: oh, of course, but sandbox testing... :P
[17:13] <teward> i think the 'if you want to experiment use staging' recommendation is still in the docs too
[17:13] <cjwatson> teward: not at present
[17:13] <cjwatson> except by setting that series as the development focus
[17:14] <teward> mmm, that's what i thought.  thanks.
[17:14] <teward> melodie: not sure if gsynaptics can help, but meh
[17:14] <teward> ultimately irrelevant as i can disable with a keyboard stroke :P
[17:14] <melodie> how do you do that?
[17:15] <cjwatson> can you maybe talk about touchpads in a more relevant channel? :)
[17:15] <melodie> cjwatson sorry /o\
[17:15] <melodie> teward #old-world ?
[17:15] <teward> cjwatson: already done, the discussion is ended now :P
[17:15] <melodie> :)
[17:15] <melodie> never mind...
[17:15] <teward> cjwatson: i may have other LP questions over the next few hours so meh
[17:15] <cjwatson> sure, though I'm about to finish up
[17:16] <teward> no rush on my questions though :)
[23:37] <GyrosGeier> hi
[23:37] <melodie> hi GyrosGeier
[23:37] <GyrosGeier> if I have a branch that requires another branch to be merged first, should I merge the other branch into my branch before sending a merge request?
[23:38] <GyrosGeier> I'd like the merge request to show only the changes that are part of that merge request, but the other branch needs to be applied first or I'd get merge conflicts
[23:39] <melodie> you answered your question yourself
[23:40] <melodie> I have a branch that requires another branch to be merged first || first things come first, don't you think so?
[23:40] <GyrosGeier> yes, the main question is whether the LP UI will do the right thing then?
[23:40] <melodie> else than that I have no knownledge of LP
[23:40] <melodie> you will have to wait for the people to come back