[00:00] <shauno> right, same way I can't tell the difference between ť and 'ch'
[00:00] <shauno> I keep getting told "not 'ch', 'ch'!"
[00:00] <daftykins> :D
[00:02] <shauno> and then they have whole chunks of grammar that we don't.  like the difference between (it is a) good day and (have a) good night is a different spelling of 'good'
[00:03] <shauno> apparently 'good night' is accusative?
[00:04] <penguin42> shauno: I think there are also things we have that they don't; the way that we change the tense when we talk about something someone else said for example
[00:04] <shauno> honestly don't know about that one
[00:04] <shauno> I know they have 8 different word endings, I haven't figured out what they're all for :)
[00:05] <daftykins> ugh that sounds horrid
[00:05] <penguin42> shauno: Neither did I until I heard them explaining it
[00:06] <penguin42> shauno: For example, if you said "I'm going to eat a pie" then I might say to daftykins, "shauno said he was going to eat a pie";  I've put the 'was' as a past tense
[00:07] <shauno> that's right about where I start to lose my mind .. I think they'd put 'said' and 'eat' in a different tense, instead of am/was
[00:08] <shauno> so the concept exists but it doesn't translate well.  that's how a lot of things come out sounding like a bad holywood russian
[00:08] <penguin42> shauno: Yes, the russians tend don't tend to say 'the' in a lot of places
[00:08] <penguin42> ...tend not to say....
[00:11] <shauno> oh here we are.  4 gender-cases, 3 nominative(number) cases, gentive, dative, accusative, locative and instrumental
[00:12] <daftykins> shaundo didst spake that he may a pie devour
[00:12] <daftykins> :D
[00:12] <daftykins> -d
[00:13] <shauno> oh man, don't get me started on how many mutations they have of names.  I'm  not sure there's even rules there
[00:14] <shauno> so yeah.  I'm at menus and streetsigns :)
[00:14] <shauno> and even menus get weird.  I've given up trying to keep track of all the mutations of 'potato' and just assume anything containing 'zem' involves potatoes.
[00:16]  * penguin42 did a bit of this for German trying to translate things I'm allergic to - they have so many ways of saying nut (and mutter is not that type of nut)
[00:17] <shauno> although oddly, I seem to have committed 'cabbage' and 'ladybird' to memory.  I'm sure that'll come in useful some day
[00:18] <shauno> so even when I do pick up the odd word, I seem to place the emphasis on 'odd'
[00:24] <shauno> but I still can't use them in sentences.  I can't say "two butterflies" because I don't know what gender butterflies are
[00:29] <shauno> google translate seems to struggle with this too.  posteľ and posteľova both translate to 'bed'.  so I'm not sure which one I'm going to, but goodnight
[00:31] <daftykins> :D
[00:31] <daftykins> nn sir
[06:57] <Knightwise> morning
[07:11] <MooDoo> morning
[07:12] <zmoylan-pi> friday
[07:22] <zmoylan-pi> good morning comrades... ready to fight the capitalist oppressors?
[07:23] <elfy> nope - only one of those I'll see today will be a dentist - not fighting them when I'm lying down with my gob open and they've got pointy things
[07:30] <zmoylan-pi> would you prefer the dentist with the blunt instruments? :-)
[07:31] <elfy> sharp and pointy is fine - I'll just not be fighting them :D
[07:45] <knightwise> hey everyone
[07:54] <MooDoo> howdy knightwise
[07:55] <shauno> elfy: what do we want?  "effuffllffuuh".  when do we want it?  "owww!"
[07:55] <elfy> ha ha
[08:05] <zmoylan-pi> now spit!
[08:09] <knightwise> There :) just upgraded from my p1 to my p2 :)
[08:15] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:18] <bashrc> happy May day
[08:18] <knightwise> morning
[08:19] <bashrc> rpi2?
[08:20] <knightwise> yep :)-
[08:20] <bashrc> I expect it's a lot faster
[08:20] <knightwise> I run my calibre ebook server on it too :) its a LOT more responsive now
[08:20] <knightwise> happy I did the move
[08:21] <bashrc> what's the stability like? Do you ever need to reboot it?
[08:21] <knightwise> just did an apt-get upgrade , and copied over the Sdcard of my p1 to my pi2 and boom
[08:24] <knightwise> now all I need to do is build a remote backup solution using bittorrent sync
[08:27] <knightwise> or rsync
[08:30] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Batman Day! :-D
[08:32] <zmoylan-pi> batman was a capitalist... this is internaltional workers day \o/
[08:32] <popey> morning all
[08:34] <MooDoo> morning
[08:35] <dutchie> lo
[08:35] <knightwise> 0/
[08:36] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/81/bb/5b/81bb5bbc94a8aacae12292664bd85c47.jpg I return you to my bat appreciation day image
[08:37] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: technically it is victory in europe day and the only ones not celebrating it are the victors, go figure :D
[08:38] <shauno> isn't that next week?
[08:39] <popey> \o/ \o/ \o/ friday
[08:39] <davmor2> yay we are all winners popey long weekend too
[08:40] <popey> ya!
[08:40]  * popey is in that london today
[08:40] <davmor2> shauno: you are right it's the 8th oh and we still don't get it off, like the rest of Europe
[08:41] <JamesTait> davmor2, we have a book here (somewhere, in a pile, in a box, in the boys' room) called Batty Cat. It didn't look anything like that.
[08:41] <davmor2> popey: oh go give joc a slap
[08:42] <davmor2> popey: I am off to the caravan at Lunchtime \o/
[08:43] <shauno> yeah, was talking to a friend on the continent .. pretty jealous they get the 1st and the 8th off.  Ithink france has 4 public holidays in may?
[08:43] <davmor2> shauno: indeed
[08:44] <zmoylan-pi> ireland been a staunch catholic country doesn't like socialist holidays so we don't have the 1st off.  but we do get first monday off instead.  they tried getting rid of thatt but people just took the day off instead causing chaos.  so it came back
[08:48] <shauno> I'm not sure I'm a fan of this whole thing of moving all the holidays onto mondays - as much as I'd like to see mondays banned
[08:49] <shauno> a couple of years back, xmas & boxing day fell on sat/sunday.  I worked both days - someone else worked mon/tues 27/28 and got the holiday pay for it instead
[08:52] <zmoylan-pi> decimal time and dates... bonus points it'll get rid of the american mm-dd-yy
[08:52]  * zmoylan-pi rabble rouses
[08:55] <awilkins> YYYY-MM-DD 4tw
[08:56] <awilkins> I had to deal with systems that stopped working if the server locale was set to "USA" (ie, the default)
[08:56] <foobarry> just saw miliband tripping off the stage LOL
[08:56] <awilkins> Because the code did a load of parsing 6-figure dates assuming they were British format
[08:57] <awilkins> The MS Script host does it too
[08:57]  * awilkins wonders if it's still a bug
[08:57] <awilkins> VBSCript :
[08:58] <shauno> I do like the iso one.  especially for logs, since date-order and alphabetical-order are the same thing, everything seems to just work
[08:58] <awilkins> CDate("12/01/1990") comes out "1st december 1990" regardless of locale
[08:58] <awilkins> CDate("13/01/1990") comes out 13th January
[08:59] <awilkins> Writing ASP Classic pages in VBScript and having to contend with that is SUPER FUN
[09:00] <awilkins> If you must store dates as text, always, always, ISO format
[09:01] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:02] <awilkins> Tesla Powerwall :  7kWh battery for the home
[09:02] <awilkins> Wonder if it would be an economic prospect just with Economy 7 here in the UK
[09:02] <awilkins> Apparently $3,000 to fitters
[09:05] <awilkins> UK typical daily consumption is 9kWh
[09:06] <awilkins> Anyone know what the economy 7 rates are vs standard rates?
[09:07] <davmor2> awilkins: http://www.uswitch.com/gas-electricity/guides/economy-7/
[09:07] <awilkins> Yeah, been there
[09:07] <awilkins> CAn't find like, numbers
[09:07] <awilkins> That site just makes you walk through their price comparator and gives you aggregate yearly savings
[09:08] <awilkins> Ok, one from Feb last year
[09:08] <awilkins> http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-2548171/What-Economy-7-does-work.html
[09:09] <awilkins> So, night rate is 6-7p cheaper than day rate
[09:09] <awilkins> Let's say 6
[09:11] <awilkins> If you're able to shift 70% of your energy consumption to using the battery, then you can save £138 a year if you have average usage of 3300 units
[09:11] <awilkins> So : at £2,000 wholesale a bit of a pricey prospect.
[09:12] <zmoylan-pi> but if you're in an area with intermittent power like a remote rural place where you might expect to have 2-3 days without power a year...
[09:13] <awilkins> Yeah, they do a  10kWh one as well
[09:13] <awilkins> If you're in that remote location you probably want to supplement with renewable generation, maybe a windmill and some solar
[09:14] <awilkins> The marketing is that you can get off grid because you can store your excess
[09:14] <awilkins> Not sure how that works with having a Tesla in your drive as well
[09:15] <awilkins> Since that will eat charge like mad
[09:15] <davmor2> awilkins, zmoylan-pi: water wheel is more reliable
[09:16] <awilkins> Definitely, but locations where you have enough drop are fairly scarce
[09:18] <knightwise> my inlaws have a watermill , my dad in law is a retired professor who knows a lot about electronincs,
[09:18] <knightwise> making power with a water wheel is not that simple
[09:24] <zmoylan-pi> only because water power has fallen out of favour as till recently did wind power.  we're more interested in large scale power production instead of small decentralised localised power production
[09:24] <awilkins> Are we talking a mid level between millstones, and dams with turbines?
[09:25] <awilkins> Because turbines beat waterwheels for efficiency
[09:26] <zmoylan-pi> turbines beat everything for efficiency
[09:27] <zmoylan-pi> this isn't about efficency, this is about decentralised, small scale power production.
[09:28] <zmoylan-pi> and more and more people are interested in living off the grid
[09:28] <awilkins> Sorry, was misplacing the "we" - you meant "we as a civilization" rather than "we as a group of people interested in waterwheels"
[09:28] <zmoylan-pi> ooops, sorry, there are a lot of we's :-)
[09:29] <zmoylan-pi> some want huge single centralised, some want smaller scale scattered, some want distributed.  never going to make everyone happy
[09:30] <bashrc> centralize and you build in weakness
[09:31] <zmoylan-pi> centralised gives you economy of scale. not to be sneezed at
[09:32] <awilkins> The problem comes when the robustness of your centralised system is eroded for the sake of profit
[09:33] <zmoylan-pi> then it becomes a how much input the state has to ensure standards/fair play
[09:36] <bashrc> it seems to me that a lot of bad things in life can be traced back to too much centralization
[09:36] <davmor2> knightwise: I've seen a mill in the uk that is self sufficient based on it's water wheel
[09:36] <bashrc> whether it be web servers or windmills
[09:37] <zmoylan-pi> yet when you compare how different the mobile phone systems are in europe versus usa when central government enforced rules versus capitalism...
[09:38] <bashrc> think of the gigantic server farms. In any future war where do you think those will be on the target priority list?
[09:38] <directhex> awilkins: i have an electric car. ish. what was the question?
[09:38] <zmoylan-pi> they make take our freedoms, but they'll never get our pi's!! :-)
[09:38] <ali1234> pretty low because disrupting the enemy's ability to look at cat photos will only give them more time to build weapons
[09:40] <awilkins> directhex, We were talking about the new Tesla home battery and speculating if Economy 7 makes it an economic prospect
[09:41] <awilkins> Upshot : average home will save £138 per annum by shifting 70% of their electric usage to the battery and charging it overnight
[09:41] <directhex> so filling it up at 6p a unit, and using it during the day when you'd be billed 11p a unit?
[09:41] <awilkins> Cost of battery being £2,000 wholesale, this seems like poor value
[09:41] <awilkins> Difference is 6p
[09:42] <directhex> most home greenery is a long-term investment. solar panel installation doesn't break even for more than a decade either
[09:42] <directhex> am i saving money when i spend 200 on getting a car charger installed, 150 on a cable, etc?
[09:42] <awilkins> Solar panels don't wear out as much as a Li-ion battery though
[09:42] <awilkins> If you have the car you're probably saving money
[09:42] <awilkins> Because a car's energy use is so much greater than a house's
[09:43] <directhex> mmm, the charge cycle is pretty predictable though on the home battery
[09:43] <awilkins> But that's a different question
[09:43] <awilkins> directhex, I suppose you can decrease the charge wearing a lot on a home battery
[09:43] <directhex> especially w/ trickle charging
[09:43] <directhex> did i see someone say it was 10kw?
[09:43] <directhex> er, 10kWh
[09:43] <awilkins> There's a 7kWh model and a 10kWh
[09:44] <awilkins> £138 figure is for the 7kWh model
[09:44] <awilkins> Average leccy usage of 9kWh/day
[09:44] <awilkins> Hence 70% on battery
[09:44] <directhex> well, i wonder if they've done something similar to the volt
[09:45] <awilkins> If you moved a power hungry thing like laundry to the night as well you could probably get that %age up to 100
[09:45] <directhex> volt battery is 16kWh, but software limited to 10kWh for load balancing
[09:50] <ruben_> ruben
[09:51] <directhex> lol
[09:52] <Laney> ED BALLS
[09:52] <ali1234> can you run your house off your car battery?
[09:53] <zmoylan-pi> my brother lives in rural location that usually loses power 2-3 times a year.  he runs a fair few devices off the batteries in his van using inverters
[09:53] <ali1234> i mean if you have an electric car
[09:54] <ali1234> "easily"
[09:54] <zmoylan-pi> i think the new prius have an option for that
[09:55] <zmoylan-pi> http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Man-Uses-a-Toyota-Prius-to-Power-his-House-During-Weeklong-Blackout.html
[09:55] <shauno> that sounds like something involving caravans is just waiting to go wrong
[09:56] <moreati> ali1234: yes, in Japan (for £4000 in 2012) http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/nissan/nissan-leaf-can-power-your-home maybe more widespread and probably cheaper now
[10:15] <popey> awilkins: i thought there was no such thing as economy 7 anymore
[10:15]  * popey catches up
[10:16] <bashrc> economy 8?
[10:17] <foobarry> econ7 is often more ££
[10:18] <bashrc> if a car had a fuel cell then maybe it could power a home
[10:18] <zmoylan-pi> if you could afford a car with a fuel cell you could afford a backup generator/solar/wind installation
[10:19] <awilkins> I can't justify anything more than an £8k econobox for a car
[10:20] <awilkins> TBH I'm of the opinion that unless your business involves hauling objects or people, anything more is just posturing
[10:20] <awilkins> I suppose if you drove a LOT, comfort is a factor
[10:20] <bashrc> There are some encouraging trends. Electricity requirements for consumer electronics (laptops, phones, tablets, TVs) are getting smaller and also things like solar are getting cheaper
[10:20] <zmoylan-pi> or size of family
[10:21] <awilkins> zmoylan-pi, My parents, and my family, both functioned with a normal sized saloon
[10:21]  * zmoylan-pi waits for the day i can run my solar powered tv inside powered by the light of the solar powered tv... :-)
[10:21] <awilkins> There are already cameras that are powered by the light they are taking the photo of...
[10:22] <shauno> that's slightly different though - they're not creating the same light, so it's not a closed system
[10:22] <popey> wifey wants me to get rid of my car and get something else.
[10:22] <popey> I rather like my old nail
[10:22] <zmoylan-pi> my parents had 5 kids.  the 7 of us in fiat 850 travelling length of ireland on driving holiday in the 70s is still something we all remember... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_850
[10:23] <popey> hehe
[10:23] <shauno> has she already mandated what something else is?  or could you stimmy the convo with some well-placed motorocycle brochures ;)
[10:23] <popey> nice
[10:23] <popey> motorcyles are veoted
[10:23] <popey> was a condition of marriage
[10:23] <popey> (ish)
[10:23] <MooDoo> anyone have problems openening up java files from 15.04 just by double clicking on them?
[10:23] <diplo> hah, I had the same veto popey :)
[10:23] <awilkins> No mobikes allowed, mum won't let me
[10:24] <diplo> No need to worry anymore :)
[10:24] <awilkins> Granddad had a nasty mobike accident early on in life
[10:24] <awilkins> Had the scars and pins in his leg to prove it
[10:24] <popey> MooDoo: works here
[10:24] <awilkins> Probably saved him from being drafted (along with being a good engineer and needed to work on planes and torpedoes and stuff)
[10:25] <MooDoo> popey: do you have a "open with link to java" when right clicking on a java file?" in my case minecraft.java ?
[10:25] <popey> minecraft.java
[10:25] <popey> ?
[10:25] <popey> surely minecraft.jar?
[10:25] <awilkins> minecraft.jar ?
[10:25] <MooDoo> sorry .jar
[10:25] <popey> i do
[10:25] <shauno> (we had 5 kids too, but a volvo 240 instead of a sewing machine.  luckily, being the tallest, I was never subjected to the barfbench in the boot)
[10:25] <popey> i right click,. open with -> open with openjdk
[10:25] <MooDoo> wierd, ok thanks
[10:26] <popey> wifey doesn't want to dictate which car we have next, just that mine is a bit of a nail, and needs replacing
[10:26] <popey> but it's the car the kids grew up with so they know it well :)
[10:26] <popey> been on holidays in it and stuff
[10:29] <shauno> yaknow how quantum theory dictates small things and relativity dictates big things?  I'm pretty sure the number of children you can fit in a volvo 240 estate is the physics no-mands-land between the two
[10:29]  * popey hugs volvos
[10:31] <davmor2> popey: I can recommend the Skoda Superb lovely and basically a passat :)
[10:31] <davmor2> popey: big boot and loads of space inside too :)
[10:32] <zmoylan-pi> a fiat bambino, for family togetherness... :-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_500
[10:32] <Myrtti> "Volvo"
[10:33] <foobarry> volvo means rolling wheel or something doesn't it?
[10:33] <foobarry> ah "i roll"
[10:35] <awilkins> Volvo - the motto of the Autobots
[10:36] <awilkins> Shame none of them turn into Volvos
[10:37] <awilkins> They should have an Autobot accountant / Health and Safety exec who turns into a Volvo
[10:37] <zmoylan-pi> none of the autobots want to be called boxy
[10:37] <awilkins> "Hey, I'm Boxy, but I'm good!"
[10:38] <zmoylan-pi> it's an older meme... but it checks out...
[10:41] <zmoylan-pi> so much to chose from... :-) http://thechive.com/2015/05/01/some-people-dont-just-want-their-cars-to-get-them-from-a-to-b-40-photos/
[10:42] <shauno> Reason: Not allowed to browse Lingerie/Bikini category
[10:42] <shauno> o_O
[10:43] <shauno> you trying to get me in trouble?
[10:43] <zmoylan-pi> only cars and the... remains of cars on that page.
[10:44] <zmoylan-pi> right, to the post office to pay bills...
[10:44] <zmoylan-pi> ::insert spinning euro symbol::
[10:53] <foobarry> so i bought a fitness band
[10:53] <foobarry> turns out its useless if i can't sign in to teh app
[10:54] <foobarry> haven't been able to sign in yet ..2nd day trying
[10:54] <Myrtti> I was thinking of crocheting or knitting a cozy for our smart scale
[10:54] <Myrtti> the top is made of glass and we seem to accidentally kick the scale so it bumps against the radiator pipes or wash basin pedestal
[10:55] <foobarry> my mrs is now selling her hand spun merino and alpaca is the local craft shop :D
[10:55] <Myrtti> nice
[10:55] <Myrtti> hm.
[10:55] <Myrtti> that's a good point.
[10:55] <Myrtti> I have some selfspun ramie leftover from the UV hat that would be excellent for the cozy
[10:55] <ali1234> foobarry: fitbit and jawbone both have linux software
[10:56] <ali1234> (third-party)
[10:56] <foobarry> eaten too much cake this morning
[10:56] <foobarry> not sure lunch is ready for me yet
[10:59] <foobarry> ali1234: cheers, i just found a reddit sub that showed me some 3rd party apps for my miband
[11:00] <foobarry> i call it ed
[11:12] <foobarry> in forum "you need to reply to post to get download link for app" . so 2592 pages of posts, no idea if any contain useful info. worst idea ever
[11:18] <foobarry> has nayone watched "going clear"?
[11:36] <ali1234> foobarry: bad forum rules: "don't make a new thread, post on the thread for <whatever>"
[11:36] <ali1234> no, this is why forum software has categories
[13:08] <MooDoo> :)
[13:41] <diddledan> morning
[13:51]  * penguin42 yawns
[14:14] <popey> bugger, forgot to pay for parking
[14:15]  * popey pays now and hopes he doesn't get a ticket
[14:18] <diddledan> :-(
[14:20] <moreati> sounds like an opportunity, parkup.io - Automatic PAYG parking
[14:22] <moreati> (I may have been binge watching Silicon Valley)
[14:25] <penguin42> you would need accurate and trusted position stuff for that
[14:26] <popey> nah
[14:26] <popey> car parks aren't that close to eachother generally
[14:26] <moreati> i'm thinking smartphone + iBeacon(s)
[14:26] <popey> well, i say that and there are two at Farnborough station I think
[14:27] <popey> yeah https://www.myringgo.com/parkinglocator/2002 and https://www.myringgo.com/parkinglocator/2013
[14:31] <moreati> closest I've found so far is www.dashpark.com
[14:31] <penguin42> It does require GPS to be on though; sometimes my google position on my phone is a few miles out
[14:34] <davmor2> popey: I'm at the Caravan in the sunshine sipping coffee and testing phones does it get better than this
[14:34] <popey> \o/
[14:35] <popey> Sunny in (that) London too
[14:35] <diddledan> gotta love when it's sunny in "that london"
[14:45] <foobarry> London SA?
[14:45] <foobarry> London oklahoma?
[14:46] <popey> BlueFin in Southwark Street
[14:50] <daftykins> hmm just had a nice plug and play experience with a logitech C525 webcam on a 12.04 machine up at a clients
[14:50] <daftykins> just had to drag the microphone sensitivity up in sound settings and it's perfect in skype :O
[14:52] <penguin42> most webcams just work (there's a USB camera protocol standard)
[14:52] <daftykins> yeah UVC
[14:53] <daftykins> i did check all that before buying naturally, it's just we had some entitled asshat in #ubuntu last night who was getting all "I'M TAKING IT BACK RIGHT NOW!" claiming it wasn't working
[14:54] <daftykins> working on Linux didn't even really matter, it just saves me a reinstall :>
[14:54] <daftykins> though that box could probably do with running 14.04 by now
[14:55] <diddledan> daftykins: the same asshat that you installed it for>?
[14:56] <daftykins> no
[14:56] <diddledan> aah
[14:56] <daftykins> no doubt a 'murican
[14:56] <diddledan> just coinkydink?
[14:56] <daftykins> indeed!
[14:56] <daftykins> i found it quite funny someone had the same model
[14:56] <diddledan> especially moaning the day before you're due to install one
[15:01] <daftykins> absolutely
[15:02] <daftykins> they then went back to the drawing board with cheese and somehow remedied it without telling us how
[15:03] <diddledan> grr
[15:03] <diddledan> I hate when people just say "oh I fixed it, bye"
[15:03] <daftykins> mmhmm
[15:03] <daftykins> even the word 'fix' gets thrown around a bit :>
[15:04] <diddledan> yeah sometimes people use "fix" to mean "gave up and did something else"
[15:04] <dutchie> obligatory https://xkcd.com/979/ and https://xkcd.com/763/
[15:05] <daftykins> :S
[15:06] <intrbiz> yay, my odroid C1 arrived :D
[15:11] <diplo> intrbiz: Didn't you order that months ago, or was that someone else ?
[15:11] <diddledan> what's the diff between that and the pi2?
[15:11] <diplo> I remember talking to someone about running Kodi(XBMC) on it
[15:12] <diddledan> or should we call it 2pi-r?
[15:12] <diddledan> or pi-d?
[15:12] <daftykins> ;)
[15:12] <diplo> I'm not 100% sure, I was checking it out before the pi2 came out, but overall it had more ram/better cpu etc
[15:12] <diddledan> they're missing out on mathematically funny in-jokes
[15:13] <daftykins> 6.28318...
[15:14] <diddledan> the main difference I See is giganet instead of fastnet
[15:14] <diplo> http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=9152
[15:14] <daftykins> perhaps that NIC isn't foolishly attached via USB too :D
[15:14] <diplo> Lots of info there
[15:16]  * penguin42 wonders when odroid are going to get around to doing 64bit stuff
[15:28] <davmor2> popey: 1st world problems, I've had to mostly close the blind so I could still see the screen E:TOOMUCHSUN :D
[15:28] <diddledan> davmor2:  :-o
[15:29] <diddledan> davmor2: this is why I prefer nighttime! :-p
[15:29] <diddledan> plus the sun does nasty things to my complexion
[15:29] <shauno> I don't actually prefer nighttime.  it just seems to be the natural result of "too lazy to get up" vs "too lazy to go to bed"
[15:30] <diddledan> I believe the kids these days call it a "sun tan"
[15:30] <daftykins> do you take any vitamin supplements to counteract the lack of exposure?
[15:30] <diddledan> nah, there's no fun in that
[15:31] <daftykins> ;]
[15:31] <shauno> if that ginger beard isn't just a figment of my imagination, I fear he's actually designed for the lack of exposure
[15:32] <diddledan> so, even if you hate microsoft, look-out for talks involving one "Scott Hanselman" - he's fun
[15:32] <penguin42> shauno: That's just an extremely late chronotype
[15:32] <diddledan> shauno: lolo
[15:32] <diddledan> shauno: at least my hair isn't ginger, only my beard
[15:33] <diddledan> although I do love redheaded girls - they purdy
[15:33] <diddledan> there's something about the freckles
[15:35] <diddledan> so random topic change - what do folk think about private addresses in public dns?
[15:35] <shauno> silly but harmless, unless you're paranoid about revealing internal topologies
[15:35] <diddledan> e.g. we've got a zone in company dns for our vpn hosts with 10.0/24 addresses
[15:36] <diddledan> that's my thinking, it doesn't really matter IMO
[15:36] <penguin42> diddledan: It does let people know a bit too much about your internal network
[15:36] <shauno> you could go google split horizon if you want to make it tidy :)
[15:36] <diddledan> I've just heard folk moan about such things in the past
[15:37] <penguin42> diddledan: I think it's more normal to have an internal. subdomain that doesn't resolve externally
[15:37] <diddledan> we've got vpn.example.com which is public
[15:37] <shauno> we do it for a lot of things where we have a 10.address internally and a dmz address externally, for the same hostname
[15:37] <daftykins> huzzah remembered how to change grub default menu choice
[15:38] <diddledan> daftykins: grub2?
[15:38] <penguin42> diddledan: Yeh I mean it wont break; but I don't think I'd have it public
[15:38] <diddledan> I have no idea about 2
[15:38] <shauno> split horizon isn't as difficult as it sounds.  you just define two acls, and then attach a different zonefile to each
[15:38] <daftykins> diddledan: ja
[15:39] <shauno> the trouble tends to be remembering to update them both ;)
[15:41] <diddledan> heh
[15:42] <diddledan> luckily our vpn internal addresses rarely change, but we have many hosts so remembering them all by number is a pain to say the least
[15:43] <shauno> you're not meant to remember them.  make them predictable, make them documented, and point names at them :)
[15:43] <diddledan> I might investigate hiding the vpn from public dns because obscurity means security
[15:43] <shauno> see also: how the zark am I meant to remember these ipv6 addresses
[15:44] <shauno> be careful trying to hide the vpn.  remember that clients connecting to it kinda need a public address :)
[15:45] <diddledan> I wonder how many ip6 names are gonna end up with things like BABE or CAFE or the like in them
[15:45] <diddledan> or B00B :-p
[15:45] <penguin42> people have done that for years :-)
[15:45] <shauno> or face:b00c  lol
[15:45] <diddledan> penguin42: I mean the actual ip6 number, not the address
[15:45] <diddledan> dns address**
[15:46] <shauno> oh they've been doing it with ipv6 addresses for about as long as they've been able
[15:46] <intrbiz> diplo: ordered it yesterday, their is a UK distributor now
[15:47] <diddledan> there**
[15:47] <penguin42> diddledan: Yeh I know :-)
[15:47] <intrbiz> its a quad core A5 @ 1.7GHz, 1Gb RAM, about 30% faster than rPi2 and has reall gigabit nic
[15:47] <daftykins> *GB
[15:48] <intrbiz> even, yeh
[15:48] <penguin42> Oh I've not come across anything with an A5 before
[15:48] <intrbiz> the gig nic is RGMII, no USB, so can actually shift 1Gb/s
[15:48] <shauno> I have some ram chips that actually are 1Mb, not MB
[15:48] <penguin42> people like 'quad core' so you get the chips with the lowest spec cores but 4 of them
[15:49] <intrbiz> hehe
[15:50] <intrbiz> at almost double clock speed of the rPi2, even with the A5 rather than the A7 cores, the Odroid C1 get about 30% over rPi2 on benchmarks
[15:50] <daftykins> shauno: that notation annoys me :> why not just call it 128KB D:
[15:50] <intrbiz> it also supports UHS for the SD card, so you can get faster IO for the SD Card
[15:50] <intrbiz> daftykins: because KB = Kelvin Byte
[15:51] <daftykins> wat
[15:51] <shauno> daftykins: no idea.  especially since it is actually addressed in words, so there isn't 1M addresses
[15:51] <intrbiz> daftykins: Capital K is Kelvin
[15:51] <intrbiz> so kilo is a lower case
[15:51] <diddledan> mb confuses me - millibits?
[15:51] <daftykins> pff
[15:51] <daftykins> millibars of pressure D:
[15:52] <intrbiz> kilo is the only multiplier in SI which is not capital
[15:52] <penguin42> and then I think you get the geneticists using b   for base pairs
[15:52] <intrbiz> plus, we should actually say: GiB not GB as it's base2
[15:52] <moreati> intrbiz: only multiplier > 1 that is lowercase
[15:52] <diddledan> intrbiz: you mean the only non-fractional multiplyer
[15:52] <daftykins> i'm in a really amusing situation, an old spare machine here has fried motherboard USB, so i can't hit BIOS POST screen key combos to install another OS
[15:52] <diddledan> multiplier
[15:52] <intrbiz> multiipler rather than divisor
[15:52] <penguin42> diddledan: Fractional multiplier ?!
[15:52] <penguin42> oh
[15:53] <diddledan> penguin42: e.g. 10^-3
[15:53] <intrbiz> yes
[15:53] <intrbiz> m = 10^-3, u = 10^-6
[15:53] <diddledan> i.e. multiply by 10^-3
[15:53] <intrbiz> k = 10^3, M = 10^6
[15:54] <diddledan> intrbiz: they're all multipliers
[15:54] <diddledan> intrbiz: you don't divide by 10^-3
[15:54] <intrbiz> 1 * 10^-3 = 1 / 10^3
[15:54] <penguin42> I did see the zeptolitre used for the 1st time a few days ago - that's a scary small number
[15:54] <diddledan> penguin42: err...
[15:55] <shauno> fwiw, deca and hecto are lower-case positive too
[15:55] <penguin42> diddledan: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/nn303767b
[15:56] <diddledan> wat?
[15:56] <diddledan> dna boxes?
[15:56] <moreati> TIL...
[15:56] <penguin42> diddledan: Yep
[15:56] <diddledan> I've seen it all now
[15:56] <intrbiz> shauno: ah, indeed
[15:56] <diddledan> what would we store in such things? dna cars?
[15:56] <penguin42> diddledan: It's called DNA origami; they've figured out how to make pretty much arbitrary shape chunks of DNA
[15:56] <diddledan> but. why?
[15:57] <shauno> grants :)
[15:57] <penguin42> diddledan: They're hoping to do things like trap a drug inside the box, and then get the box to open when it's in the right type of cell
[15:57] <diddledan> lol
[15:57] <diddledan> nanites, anyone?
[15:57] <moreati> diddledan: with any luck it's a route to molecular manufacturing aka nanotech
[15:58] <shauno> since everyone has their nerd on, something I was pondering earlier
[15:58] <penguin42> diddledan: http://www.nature.com/scitable/blog/bio2.0/dna_origami
[15:58] <shauno> does gravity actually have a theoretical limit to its range?
[15:58] <diddledan> shauno: I don't believe it does
[15:58] <diddledan> I don't know tho
[15:58] <diddledan> e.g. we're detecting gravity from far flung places IIRC
[15:59] <moreati> shauno: I think it's speed of light limited, so I'd guess the limit is the observable universe
[15:59] <penguin42> shauno: It's inverse-cube (?) law though so gets very weak over long distances
[15:59] <shauno> I mean it obviously has practical limits, mars hasn't pulled anything off my shelf
[15:59] <diddledan> lol
[15:59] <moreati> penguin42: inverse square
[16:00] <shauno> I thought inverse-square, but that may have just been a guess.  but that still has the catch where you're dividing something infintely
[16:00] <penguin42> moreati: Ah, yeh - it's magnetism that's cube?
[16:00] <shauno> so I guess the question would be whether it acts like a particle enough that it reaches a single quanta that can't be subdivided
[16:01] <intrbiz> presumably inverse square is radiating in 2 dimentions, inverse cude in 3 dimentions
[16:01] <moreati> penguin42: pass, EM is all partial differentials which are above my comprehension
[16:02] <penguin42> shauno: Yeh, I don't know, but isn't the argument that gravity just deforms space so I'm not sure it needs any particles to communicate it
[16:02] <shauno> (and no, this didn't come out of KSP, KSP has cheaty physics where you're only ever within one sphere of influence)
[16:03] <shauno> yeah, I don't believe it acts like a particle for most things, which is how it can get away with only ever being an attractive force, rather than offering a negative form of itself
[16:04] <diddledan> is brian cox on the twits?
[16:04] <shauno> but if you stop believing in gravitons entirely, startrek goes to all hell, so I kinda have to cling to something there
[16:04] <diddledan> lol
[16:04] <moreati> .g brian cox twitter
[16:05] <moreati> oh, wrong channel for that bot
[16:05] <diddledan> moreati: which channel were you thinking? (#wordpress' bot responds to that query)
[16:06] <moreati> diddledan: pookie in #lesswrong
[16:08] <penguin42> hmm, what's #lesswrong?
[16:08] <diddledan> it must be non-public - it's not in the list
[16:10] <penguin42> neither was tic-tac-toe
[16:10] <moreati> penguin42: stated: rationality and AI safety comunity. http://lesswrong.com/
[16:20] <penguin42> interesting site; points out the things I always get wrong :-)
[16:28] <daftykins> diddledan: installing the win10 10074 on this spare core 2 quad i have :O
[16:28] <daftykins> i liked that i was able to pick "keep nothing"
[16:29] <daftykins> silly broken USB :<
[16:29] <diddledan> heh
[16:29] <daftykins> feels so wrong not booting from media directly and 'doing it properly'
[16:30] <diddledan> lol @ hack guys: We all went into the woods with pens and pads of paper and ate hallucinogenic berries we found to come up with ideas. Someone suggested two equal signs followed by a greater than sign and we all burst into uncontrollable laughter. The laughter was followed by intense philosophical introspection into the nature of symbols, and how it's weird that we draw two parallel lines for the equal sign, and how it's fun to think about how
[16:30] <diddledan> they decided which symbols went on the standard keyboard. As the effects of the berries wore off and we started to walk back, we looked at the ==> symbol we had written down and thought about how it all fits together with the abstract architecture of the universe, and how it strikes a chord within us that gives a calming sense of harmony with the world.
[16:30] <diddledan> ref: http://docs.hhvm.com/manual/en/hack.lambda.operator.php
[16:31] <daftykins> no berries for you, young man
[17:29] <MooDoo> evening all
[17:53] <diddledan> ello MooDoo
[17:53] <diddledan> dammit, I got it wrong
[17:53] <diddledan> I meant: m00
[17:55] <MooDoo> lol
[18:03] <daftykins> omw Windows 10 build 10074 is so fast even on an ancient core 2 quad
[18:04] <diddledan> http://gizmodo.com/ibm-just-cracked-one-of-the-biggest-problems-facing-qua-1701173052
[18:04] <diddledan> daftykins: spartan still uses a ton of memory tho
[18:04] <daftykins> *shrug* i have no need for it
[18:20] <diddledan> msoffice installer is weird
[18:20] <diddledan> or rather the 365 variant that I use
[18:21] <diddledan> it goes through a quick process and then pops up a window that says "you can use your programs now" yet also says "office is installing in the background"
[18:24] <directhex> diddledan: yeah, that thing is weird
[18:24] <directhex> i have no idea what it's doing, but it's not lying!
[18:24] <diddledan> I don't get how it can be installing and installed at the same time
[18:24] <diddledan> are they using quantum mechanics maybe?
[18:24] <daftykins> afaiui it's using application virtualisation from Azure perhaps to give you the progs remotely whilst it downloads and installs the real ones
[18:25] <daftykins> personally though i dug through the pages and downloaded the normal ISO
[18:25] <daftykins> if i'm somewhere installing office it needs to get done, not sit there downloading
[18:26] <diddledan> the 365 installer is tied to your account so you'd not want that for client installation anyway
[18:28] <directhex> 360 works well for my wife
[18:28] <directhex> er, 365
[18:28] <daftykins> diddledan: nah because it asks for a product key / account at install
[18:28] <directhex> it's an educational discount, with a 2 machine limit, so i can't use hers
[18:28] <diddledan> daftykins: yeah that's what I'm saying, the 365 installer doesn't
[18:29] <daftykins> oh
[18:29] <diddledan> daftykins: you run the exe and it says "Hello, <yourname>"
[18:29] <shauno> creepy
[18:30] <diddledan> i.e. it knows your account and whether you're licensed via the downloaded exe
[18:30] <daftykins> been a while since i did it so it's not gotten memorised yet
[18:30] <daftykins> in fact i think it's really just purchases of 2013 via PKC and not 365 that i mean
[18:31] <diddledan> PKC?
[18:31] <daftykins> product key code
[18:31] <diddledan> aah
[18:31] <daftykins> where you get no disc
[18:32] <directhex> i wonder what win10 will cost.
[18:32] <diddledan> they still haven't said anything other than free-upgrade
[18:32] <daftykins> indeed
[18:32] <diddledan> so the non-upgrade costs are still unknown
[18:33] <davmor2> 1,000,000 Dollars muhahahahahahahahahahaha
[18:33] <diddledan> and also upgrade-after-one-year costs are also unknown
[18:33]  * daftykins spots davmor2's raised pinky
[18:33] <diddledan> daftykins: pervert
[18:33]  * diddledan gets his coat
[18:33] <davmor2> moves his little finger from the corner of his mouth, no not me mate
[18:34] <diddledan> "I've let the channel down, I've let all of you down, and worse, I've let myself down"
[18:34] <davmor2> diddledan: the correct answer is 1p per kb :D
[18:35] <diddledan> anyone got a calculator?
[18:35] <davmor2> so how big is windows 10 :D
[18:35] <directhex> i guess i could install from dvd, i have a blurry drive now
[18:35] <directhex> usb
[18:35] <directhex> davmor2: the install, or the installer?
[18:35] <diddledan> davmor2: before or after extraction?
[18:36] <davmor2> which is biggest :D
[18:36] <diddledan> directhex: you need something to bring that drive into focus
[18:36] <directhex> 2.8gb for 32-bit, an extra gig for 64-bit, for the installer
[18:37]  * daftykins deletes Windows.old
[18:38]  * directhex deletes WINDOWS.000 and WINDOWS.BAK
[18:38]  * directhex installs daftykins to C:\PROGRA~1
[18:38]  * daftykins segfaults on initial run
[18:38]  * daftykins is not a 32-bit application
[18:38] <diddledan> daftykins: you mean "access violation"
[18:39] <shauno> "please wait while windows looks for a solution to your daftykins"
[18:40] <daftykins> None found.
[18:40] <diddledan> does windows _ever_ find a solution to problems?
[18:40] <shauno> I'm kinda curious if that ..
[18:41] <shauno> yeah, what he said
[18:41] <diddledan> certainly it never has for anything it's popped-up for on one of my systems
[18:42] <daftykins> i turn all that junk off
[18:42] <daftykins> waste of time
[18:43] <shauno> I only seem to get it when I kill firefox.  which leaves you thinking "no, windows, that WAS the solution"
[18:43] <davmor2> diddledan: yes that is why the buy other companies
[18:46] <daftykins> you know what's amazing? this spare PC had win7 + xubuntu in a dual boot, i ran the win 10 install and GRUB got left alone O_O
[18:47] <diddledan> :-o
[18:47] <diddledan> nowai
[18:47] <diddledan> that's unpossible!
[18:49] <daftykins> i've seen it with my own stalks :O
[18:50] <diddledan> are you sure you weren't dreaming?
[18:50] <daftykins> mine tend to be a bit more interesting than GRUB's status :>
[18:51] <diddledan> oh myy
[18:52] <diddledan> you mean you dream about the whole boot process or taking a computer's chasis off and prodding inside?
[18:53] <diddledan> speaking of which, I need to watch "ex machina"
[18:53] <daftykins> wussat?
[18:53] <diddledan> movie
[18:54] <diddledan> there's three similar movies about right now: ex machine, automata and chappie
[18:54] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYGzRB4Pnq8
[18:58] <daftykins> hrmm
[18:58] <daftykins> totally unrealistic, no true nerd would live away from a decent net conn
[19:01] <shauno> Ikeep trying to tell people here that!  I know quite a few who live so far in the sticks that 3g is their home connection
[19:01] <daftykins> :S
[19:02] <daftykins> i can't tell whether it hampers progress or reduces procrastination
[19:02]  * daftykins tickles his cats tummy
[19:03] <shauno> someone was asking me advice on plans because I have a dongle too.  I had to point out that it's just what I use at work to keep me sane.
[19:13] <daftykins> shauno: does it work? :>
[19:15] <shauno> ;)
[19:15] <diddledan> this looks.. interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DODmqNrKh-o
[19:16] <diddledan> oh that wasn't the right link
[19:16] <diddledan> I was watching an advert
[19:16] <diddledan> the advert was for tomorrowland movie
[19:18] <diddledan> the movie at the link I did paste looks good tho
[19:59] <ali1234> how do you send a private message on youtube these days?
[19:59] <diddledan> can you even do that?
[19:59] <ali1234> you used to be able to
[19:59] <diddledan> isn't youtube tied into google+ now?
[20:00] <ali1234> no
[20:00] <ali1234> only the comments, which are public
[20:11] <mappps> hi all
[20:17] <MooDoo> howdy mappps
[20:18] <popey> moo
[20:32] <diddledan> simon pegg - kill me three times - looks fun
[20:33] <diddledan> www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eO3rYcSMCA
[20:33] <diddledan> rotten tomatoes says "9%" so it's gonna be awesome!
[20:42] <diddledan> there's a film remake of "the man from u.n.c.l.e."
[20:45] <ali1234> guy ritchie?
[20:45] <diddledan> yup
[20:45] <ali1234> gonna be terrible
[21:03] <MooDoo> can't wait for it myself :D
[21:06] <daftykins> i guess i'm 22 hours into a dead OS now! (typing from irssi on a 10.04.4 VM)
[21:13] <MooDoo> daftykins: you rebel you lol
[21:13] <daftykins> oh i don't intend to be, bit odd i only just got a new kernel though
[21:14] <daftykins> 2.6.32-74-generic-pae
[21:16] <MooDoo> I tend to stick to latest LTS releases.
[21:16] <daftykins> same, just now checking my irssi config on the newer install
[21:16] <daftykins> i skipped 12.04 as it didn't offer any reasons to move :>
[21:22] <daftykins> smoooooth
[21:22] <daftykins> nothing like a successful change :>
[21:26] <diddledan> \o/
[21:44] <daftykins> these IRC clients that state someone has a macbook pro, seriously :/
[21:44] <daftykins> (in quit messages)
[21:44] <zmoylan-pi> slumming it here instead of using facetime like proper apple drones...
[21:45] <daftykins> :D
[21:47] <webpigeon> ... that is a thing o.O
[21:48] <daftykins> the quits? 'fraid so
[21:48] <zmoylan-pi> no different from emails with make and model of phone as a signature...
[21:48] <daftykins> 22:43 -!- doomlord [~textual@host86-184-11-43.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]
[21:48] <popey> oh thats textual
[21:49] <popey> i see that all the time from the design team
[21:49] <daftykins> i actually advise clients to edit their signatures to something neutral of vendor :P
[21:49]  * popey notes wifey has been on the phone for over 2 hours
[21:49] <webpigeon> That's a long convosation...
[21:49] <popey> indeed
[21:49] <daftykins> clucking? :)
[21:50] <zmoylan-pi> is it plugged into charging cable?
[21:50] <popey> no
[21:50] <popey> plugged into the side of her head
[21:50] <popey> http://blog.launchpad.net/general/git-code-hosting-beta
[21:50] <popey> \o/
[21:50] <zmoylan-pi> it always amuses me when i see person charging their mobile phone while using it on a call.  kinda defeats the purpose...
[21:50] <daftykins> which purpose?
[21:50] <popey> not if you have free calls
[21:51] <webpigeon> wow, that took a while
[21:51] <zmoylan-pi> the mobile wireless part
[21:51] <dutchie> also if you don't have a landline
[21:51] <daftykins> i don't seem to get phoned from anyones landlines
[21:51] <popey> i used the landline today for the first time in ages
[21:51] <popey> other than to shout at people selling me stuff
[21:52] <daftykins> since i signed up i've had 3 calls on my landline :D first was a wrong number, second was a survey about my sign up process to the telco, third was a friend wanting to save money
[21:52]  * webpigeon doesn't really use phones for anything but data...
[21:58] <daftykins> mmm i wonder how far it would get if i tried to contact our utility regulator and say we shouldn't have to have a phone service to have broadband connections...
[22:01] <zmoylan-pi> can i have the water company deliver the data via sonar in the piping...
[22:04] <daftykins> what data do you get via water? :>
[22:04] <zmoylan-pi> 1's and 0's no number twos...
[22:05] <daftykins> 2's are nightmares for robots like Bender
[22:09] <diddledan> how is it that bender is the only bending robot to be named after his job?
[22:12] <zmoylan-pi> because he isn't doing his job?
[22:16] <penguin42> daftykins: I'm fairly sure in mainland-UK there are providers who will sell you broadband without voice
[22:18] <zmoylan-pi> there are isp providers who'll sell you broadband without data if you gave them a chance :-)
[22:19] <diddledan> broadband without voice is one thing. a phone line without voice is another
[22:20] <diddledan> but aaisp will do it
[22:20] <zmoylan-pi> leased lines id it all the time
[22:20] <zmoylan-pi> *did
[22:20] <zmoylan-pi> all those telex machines...
[22:20] <penguin42> diddledan: Right yes, I thought a few of them would
[22:21] <penguin42> the early days had the problem of BT engineers borrowing lines that didn't have a ring-tone on
[22:24] <zmoylan-pi> i wonder how old the oldest phone cable still in use is...
[22:25] <zmoylan-pi> though i suspect i have had a modem connected to a few of them... :-)
[22:27] <elfy> suspecting some random wire wandering around a Scottish glen would do the job
[22:27] <elfy> or the cable out to Norley Wood
[22:28] <ali1234> probably something in the american midwest
[22:28] <zmoylan-pi> i did have one pos location in cork that couldn't sustain data over 4800 at any time
[22:28] <ali1234> somewhere flat and dry
[22:28] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: haha, nice
[22:30] <zmoylan-pi> 1-2 a week dialling in to transfer updates and data...
[22:32]  * penguin42 bets ones into the old civil defence bunkers are pretty ancient, there were apparently exchanges down there for emergency use
[22:33] <zmoylan-pi> but laid with super heavy mil spec cable perhaps
[22:33] <daftykins> still find it weird CPC sells copper coated aluminium
[22:33] <daftykins> how plain evil
[22:34] <penguin42> daftykins: Given that CPC sell everything from singing snowmen, teabags to ludicrously expensive test equipment (all possibly on the same catalog page) - it's hardly surprising they sell CCA
[22:34] <ali1234> teabags? really?
[22:34] <daftykins> XD
[22:35] <zmoylan-pi> heavu duty waterproof teabags? :-D
[22:35] <ali1234> "pics or it didn't happen"
[22:35] <penguin42> ali1234: http://cpc.farnell.com/tetley/nwt005/tea-bags-tetley-440pk/dp/OE06093
[22:35] <ali1234> heh, first hit on google too
[22:35] <daftykins> that bag looks really swingable
[22:36] <ali1234> "you may also be interested in: NAILS"
[22:36]  * penguin42 doesn't get that
[22:37] <zmoylan-pi> no suggested products for me...
[22:38] <ali1234> oh, it's cos i followed the link from google
[22:38] <penguin42> (Not that they're cheap on that - Asda are 2.97 for 240)
[22:39] <penguin42> I really don't understand how CPC decide what to stock
[22:39] <daftykins> pin the tail on the donkey, i expect
[22:40] <ali1234> well, those chinese sellers on ebay make CPC look perfectly normal
[22:40] <zmoylan-pi> sends us 50kg of nails, screws and throw in 2kg of teabags... they'd make money on remote locations
[22:40] <penguin42> oh yes, you could pretty much get a kit for everything you need for a new office
[22:41] <shauno> awww, farnell ireland don't :(
[22:42] <shauno> I probably would end up buying random junk from them too, because their shipping is awesome here.  they'll next day anything over 20e for free
[22:42] <penguin42> yeh CPC do the same
[22:42] <penguin42> (although their next day is more random than it used to be)
[22:43] <ali1234> shauno: what is cpcireland.farnell.com ?
[22:43] <shauno> it's been pretty spot-on for me .. even though it goes from leeds to germany to get to me
[22:43] <penguin42> shauno: Hey?
[22:43] <shauno> ooooh
[23:03] <shauno> well that could get me in trouble.  I've only ever used ie.farnell.com, which appears to be quite different
[23:27] <daftykins> put the TLD is the subdomain!
[23:27]  * daftykins is confused
[23:28] <diddledan> com.farnell.ie would be just as weird
[23:28] <daftykins> ugh £47 to renew my .gg
[23:28] <diddledan> grr
[23:28] <daftykins> for one year =|
[23:28] <diddledan> that's nucking futs
[23:30]  * diddledan sleepy
[23:30] <daftykins> same here
[23:31] <daftykins> also, why do i still watch Family Guy - it's not even funny
[23:33] <diddledan> itunes install on windows is weird - it's gone up to 100% on the progress meter several times
[23:33] <daftykins> what on earth are you touching that tripe for?