[00:03] <Etriaph> Thanks soee
[00:03] <Etriaph> :D
[00:05] <soee> np, enjoy Kubuntu 15.04 :)
[00:06] <gunndawg> I tried to enjoy 15.04
[00:07] <soee> :)
[00:08] <gunndawg> Had to go back to 14.04
[00:09] <gunndawg> But I also quite like all the "Ghost" themeing I can do in 14.04
[01:39] <draikx> Hello all. I'm trying to remove the plexmediaserver package, but it seems to have not been installed successfully. I'm on 15.04. Here is a pastebin of my removal. ==> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10966996/
[01:41] <valorie> ewww
[01:41] <valorie> I'm wondering why sysvinit is in there at all
[01:43] <valorie> draikx: what happens if you `sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get autoremove` ?
[01:43] <valorie> perhaps that would clean up some of those bits
[01:43] <draikx> valorie, just a moment and I will report back.
[01:45] <draikx> Seems to be the same thing.
[01:45] <draikx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10967022/
[01:47] <valorie> so what does `apt show plexmediaserver` report?
[01:47] <valorie> I don't think that needs sudo
[01:49] <valorie> hmmm, a search doesn't even find that packagename
[01:49] <draikx> paste you the 15 lines, or pastebin it?
[01:49] <valorie> pastebin
[01:49] <valorie> you'll get auto-quieted with more than about 5 lines
[01:50] <draikx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10967042/
[01:50] <valorie> so you might try with -a as suggested
[01:51] <draikx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10967046/
[01:52] <valorie> lucid!
[01:52] <valorie> and you are on 15.04 you say
[01:52] <draikx> Correct.
[01:53] <valorie> that reports : APT-Sources: http://plex.r.worldssl.net/PlexMediaServer/ubuntu-repo/ lucid/main amd64 Packages
[01:53] <valorie> you might start by removing that source
[01:53] <valorie> looks like you installed by hand
[01:53] <draikx> Description:    Ubuntu 15.04
[01:53] <draikx> Release:        15.04
[01:53] <draikx> Codename:       vivid
[01:53] <draikx> OK, I can do that.
[01:53] <valorie> stream anywhere sounds cool though
[01:53] <draikx> It really is :)
[01:54] <draikx> (when it's working, of course)
[01:54] <valorie> sure, but that package -- seems it has not been packaged for awhile
[01:54] <valorie> !info plexmediaserver
[01:54] <draikx> Hmm. I don't seem to have that in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:56] <valorie> how did you install it then?
[01:57] <valorie> I doubt purging would remove a source repo
[01:58] <valorie> !info plexmediaserver trusty
[01:58] <draikx> dpkg'd a deb, IIRC.
[01:59] <draikx> (been a while)
[01:59] <valorie> I wonder if dpkg --configure plexmediaserver would work?
[02:00] <valorie> since it seems to be half-configured
[02:03] <valorie> draikx: also notice this line: APT-Sources: /var/lib/dpkg/status
[02:03] <valorie> so check there too
[02:05] <draikx> Same error with "dpkg --configure plexmediaserver"
[02:06] <valorie> well, is it causing you problems?
[02:06] <draikx> I tried to upgrade it, and here I am.
[02:06] <valorie> ah
[02:06] <valorie> you can file a bug for an up-to-date package
[02:07] <valorie> you can package it yourself and put it in a PPA
[02:07] <valorie> dpkging debs seems rather dangerous
[02:07] <draikx> Went to plex.tv, downloaded the latest version (because I couldn't find it in the repos, so I guess it was dpkg'd last time, too), and when I went for the install, it gives me this issue.
[02:08] <valorie> if you really like it, it is worth doing either of the things I suggest above
[02:08] <draikx> I'll go with the former.
[02:08] <draikx> They just released a new version (which I'm trying to use), so it's probably on their radar, so I could add to whatever bug report I find.
[02:09] <draikx> But now, I just want to remove it so I can start over.
[02:10] <valorie> I hear ya
[02:11] <valorie> did you see my suggestion above re: APT-Sources: /var/lib/dpkg/status
[02:11] <valorie> from your pastebin
[02:12] <draikx> Oh, right. Sorry, didn't mean to ignore that.
[02:12] <draikx> Saw a suggestion online to remove that entry, which I did, and run apt-get update.
[02:12] <draikx> I did that, but no change.
[02:12] <draikx> I made a backup of it.
[02:13] <valorie> hmmm
[02:13] <valorie> you are sort of on your own, since it isn't an ubuntu package
[02:13] <valorie> but it seems like our tools should fix
[02:14] <draikx> Figured as much. Wanted to get some general tips/tricks to get around the nuking of the package.
[02:14] <draikx> I've Google'd just about every error it spits out, and no solution. That's when I came here.
[02:14] <draikx> valorie, thank you so much for the assist. Much appreciated :)
[02:15] <valorie> heh, all I did was sympathize
[02:15] <valorie> but you are welcome
[02:15] <draikx> :)
[02:15] <valorie> I've filed bugs for updated packages and gotten movement on them
[02:15] <valorie> so good luck
[02:16] <gunndawg> Hey folks. I installed apache2 and mysql on my system for some local development. I'd rather not have sql server and apache2 running when I'm not working on it. is sudo service mysql stop and sudo service apache2 stop sufficient enough? From a security perspective
[02:16] <draikx> valorie, and to answer your question, this is what I have in /var/lib/dpkg/status
[02:16] <draikx> Package: plexmediaserver
[02:16] <draikx> Status: purge ok half-configured
[02:16] <valorie> gah
[02:17] <valorie> gunndawg: you might want to ask that in apache and/or mysql chans
[02:17] <valorie> alis is your friend, if you don't know her
[02:17] <valorie> !alis
[02:26] <draikx> valorie, this worked! http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1254621
[02:27] <draikx> Plex us up and running now. THANK YOU!
[02:28] <valorie> woah, very nice!
[02:29] <valorie> talk about forcing.... brute force
[02:29] <draikx> Right?
[02:29] <draikx> The power of sudo compels you.
[02:31] <valorie> exactly: sudo make me a sandwich
[02:31] <valorie> except I just had dinner and am not hungry
[02:31] <gunndawg> sudo apt-get make sammich
[02:33] <draikx> valorie, I owe you a sandwich.
[02:33] <valorie> heh
[02:33] <valorie> I'm glad you had success
[02:34] <draikx> I can share my Plex library with you, if that's any use to you.
[02:34] <valorie> no, I don't really watch movies and such on my computer
[02:34] <valorie> thanks for the offer though
[02:47] <draikx> No worries. Thanks again for the help.
[03:07] <r1za4> всем привет
[03:08] <Unit193> !ru | r1za4
[03:27] <MobileRoey> hi
[03:28] <MobileRoey> any of us here awake? :)
[03:28]  * Etriaph is around, from time to time
[03:29] <MobileRoey> oh cool
[03:29] <MobileRoey> thanks :)
[03:29] <MobileRoey> Etriaph:  having a weiiiird issue withj SDDM on Kubuntu 15.04
[03:29] <Etriaph> MobileRoey: That's natural.
[03:29] <Etriaph> :D
[03:29] <MobileRoey> heh
[03:29] <Etriaph> What's the issue?
[03:31] <MobileRoey> so it's like this... I start up the system in text mode (no X).  Log in, type sddm to start the X/KDE session stack.  Switch to ttty-7.   Then I see a screen that looks like an SDDM login, but nothing past this.
[03:31] <MobileRoey> and when I try to boot to X,
[03:32] <MobileRoey> I see the SDDM login screen, but only a combobox for choosing desktop environments.  Nothing else.
[03:32] <Etriaph> You can login from a tty?
[03:33] <MobileRoey> at what point?
[03:33] <Etriaph> At any point, you can login text-only as your user, or as root?
[03:33] <MobileRoey> I mean it's my machine I can become root whenever I need
[03:33] <MobileRoey> I log in as my user
[03:34] <MobileRoey> and start sddm
[03:34] <MobileRoey> normally I would type startx,
[03:34] <MobileRoey> but that apparently doesn't work anymore.
[03:34] <Etriaph> OK, so you can login in a text-based environment as *your* user
[03:34] <MobileRoey> it gives me errors.
[03:34] <MobileRoey> right
[03:34] <Etriaph> During installation if the creation of your user had failed then sddm wouldn't have a user list.
[03:34] <Etriaph> That's why I'm asking
[03:35] <MobileRoey> hmm.
[03:35] <Etriaph> (Or maybe it wouldn't, anyway)
[03:35] <MobileRoey> well it was an upgrade, from 14.10 -> 15.04.
[03:35] <Etriaph> Ya, I reinstalled for that leap.
[03:35] <MobileRoey> is there a way to rebuild the sddm user list?
[03:35] <MobileRoey> ahhh
[03:35] <Etriaph> Umm, I'd have to read about it.
[03:35] <MobileRoey> (btw, upgrading ubuntu/kubuntu is always painful for me.  Every tim.)
[03:35] <valorie> MobileRoey: have you done `systemctl restore sddm`
[03:36] <Etriaph> Ya, next time just install, but don't format the partition that /home is on
[03:36] <valorie> this solved problems for me
[03:36] <Etriaph> valorie: I was getting to that :D
[03:36] <MobileRoey> valorie:  I have not, what does that do?
[03:36] <MobileRoey> btw hi :)
[03:36] <valorie> upgrades worked for me
[03:36] <valorie> hi roey
[03:36] <MobileRoey> hmm.
[03:36] <MobileRoey> I'll try that, then.
[03:36] <MobileRoey> brb
[03:36] <valorie> restore somehow reconciles systemd and sddm
[03:37] <valorie> unknown why it is necessary sometimes
[03:38] <valorie> sorry for interrupting, Etriaph
[03:38] <Etriaph> I'm so grateful I don't ever have to setup XFree86 by hand anymore.
[03:38] <Etriaph> valorie: Oh, no problem  :D
[03:42] <MobileRoey> valorie:  it says "Unknown operation 'restire'."
[03:42] <MobileRoey> *restore
[03:43] <valorie> ?
[03:43] <valorie> very odd
[03:43] <valorie> that works for everyone
[03:43] <MobileRoey> Etriaph:  yeajh I'd like to install, BUT I setthe system up with BTRFS for /, /home, /arch, etc. as subvols (Kubuntu does it this way automatically).  It'll nuke all the subvols if I try and reinstall it.
[03:44] <MobileRoey> valorie:
[03:44] <MobileRoey> typing systemctl re<tab>, I see:
[03:44] <MobileRoey> reboot, reenable, reload, reload-or-restart, reload-or-try-restart, rescue, reset-failed, restart.
[03:44] <valorie> huh
[03:45] <valorie> try rescue?
[03:45] <valorie> I've not heard of that choice before
[03:45] <MobileRoey> what does it say for you now?
[03:45] <Etriaph> rescue sddm is the most likely choice.
[03:46] <MobileRoey> hmm. ok.
[03:46] <MobileRoey> mn pwge just says it causes it to enter rescue mode
[03:46] <MobileRoey> but doesn't talk about what it is.
[03:48] <Etriaph> Right now it's not working, this is a likely method to restore it to defaults or remove whatever's gumming it up.
[03:49] <MobileRoey> ok.  I'll try it then.
[03:49] <MobileRoey> so I type:
[03:49] <MobileRoey> sudo systemctl rescue sddm
[03:50] <Etriaph> Yup.
[03:50] <MobileRoey> and it says:  Invalid number of arguments.
[03:50] <valorie> no sudo
[03:50] <MobileRoey> I tried both
[03:51] <valorie> did you use sudo above for restore?
[03:51] <MobileRoey> yes, and it also gave me "Unknown operation 'restore'."
[03:52] <valorie> no sudo
[03:52] <valorie> this is for your user
[03:52] <valorie> not root
[03:52] <MobileRoey> without sudo I get the same message.
[03:52] <valorie> most odd
[03:53] <valorie> are you doing this in a virtual console?
[03:53] <valorie> or in konsole
[03:53] <Etriaph> He can't login, graphically
[03:53] <Etriaph> SDDM isn't showing a user list
[03:53] <valorie> ah, missed that
[03:54] <valorie> I wonder if sudo was used earlier, and screwed up permissions?
[03:54] <valorie> why do people keep using sudo
[03:54] <MobileRoey> habit.
[03:54] <Etriaph> There is that .kyasoca thing
[03:54] <Etriaph> in .cache
[03:54] <valorie> when it isn't necessary
[03:54] <MobileRoey> rebuild ksycoca
[03:55] <Etriaph> sudo is just fine to use, but not for the GUI.
[03:55] <Etriaph> kdesudo should be used for GUI programs.
[03:55] <valorie> not when it is not needed
[03:55] <valorie> sudo changes permissions of user  stuff
[03:55] <MobileRoey> right.
[03:55] <valorie> kdesudo/sudo is another issue
[03:55] <Etriaph> So sudo chown -R me:me ~/
[03:55] <MobileRoey> Anyway but let's move past discussions of sudo--I thinkthe issue lies elsewhere
[03:56] <MobileRoey> like someone mntioned, maybe the userlist for SDDM differs from the userlist in systemd
[03:56] <MobileRoey> in the system, I mean, sorry.
[03:57] <Etriaph> Well in the user manager in system settings you can select which users are displayed and which ones are not
[03:57] <Etriaph> The avatars
[03:57] <Etriaph> Maybe that's not configured.
[03:57] <MobileRoey> alright, which package should I check for?
[03:57] <valorie> so I just want to report that I get the same set of commands that MobileRoey does, from both konsole and the VT
[03:58] <MobileRoey> thank you
[03:59] <Etriaph> MobileRoey: I've never encountered this specific issue before, it's certainly interesting.  :D
[04:04] <Etriaph> If we could trick your system, via configuration on disk, to automatically login your user just to reach a desktop that's where my head is going.
[04:05] <valorie> MobileRoey: you can try `kbuildsycoca5 --noincremental`
[04:06] <valorie> can't hurt
[04:06] <valorie> might help
[04:07] <arunce> hi
[04:08] <arunce> how can I set up the date in iso 8601 format? like yyyy-mm-dd?
[04:09] <arunce> a lot of features from the locale settings are missing
[04:10] <Etriaph> arunce: Yup, I prefer 24 hour clock and it's not available atm as far as I've seen.
[04:10] <valorie> you are not alone, arunce: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=289&t=125160
[04:12] <valorie> help is always welcome to report, fix, and test fixes
[04:13] <arunce> thank you for the link valorie
[04:15] <arunce> Etriaph: as do I
[04:15] <valorie> me too
[04:18] <arunce> my system locale are somewhat different from the desktop ones... what a mess.
[04:27] <valorie> I just watched a news story about the mess in Nepal -- locales are a mess, but this really is firstworldproblems
[05:08] <hyper_ch> valorie: locales are a mess in 15.04
[05:09] <valorie> no debate there, hyper_ch
[05:09] <valorie> I hope someone is in charge of cleaning them up, but I don't know that
[05:09] <hyper_ch> there are a few bug reports online
[05:09] <valorie> sure
[05:10] <hyper_ch> my terminal is german for some reason.... gimp is also german... rest is english as it should be
[05:10] <hyper_ch> arunce: feel free to comment https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346759
[05:10] <valorie> lol
[05:11] <valorie> well, I'm not having problems, because I'm American
[05:11] <valorie> you would think that German locales would be in the best shape though
[05:11] <hyper_ch> LANGUAGE=en_US:de
[05:12] <hyper_ch> that's when I get when I type locale in the terminal
[05:12] <arunce> like me
[05:12] <hyper_ch> and the debian way of fixing it -   dpkg-reconfigure locales   doesn't do anything
[05:12] <valorie> LANG=en_US.UTF-8 for me
[05:12] <arunce> dolphin is showing yyyy-mm-dd and my clock  is showing dd/mm/yy
[05:12] <valorie> dolphin is still kde4
[05:12] <arunce> I see
[05:13] <hyper_ch> arunce: what language does gimp show?
[05:13] <hyper_ch> well, LANG=en_US.UTF-8 is also set there.. but LANGUAGE has that "de" in it for some strange reason
[05:13] <hyper_ch> but how do I change that
[05:13] <arunce> english
[05:14] <valorie> this is the original bug report: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340982
[05:14] <hyper_ch> arunce: I see....
[05:14] <valorie> but your bug report title is much more dramatic, hyper_ch
[05:14] <arunce> this is so messed up
[05:15] <valorie> so, just to remind everyone again: help is always needed
[05:15] <hyper_ch> valorie: I though I had in my list updated the bug url :) mine got marked as duplicate
[05:15] <hyper_ch> s/dramatic/accurate/
[05:15] <valorie> filing and commenting on bugs is great
[05:15] <valorie> fixing and testing fixes help even more
[05:15] <hyper_ch> also another really, really annoying bug is that I can't resize Konsole... if I do, it freezes
[05:15] <valorie> ah, I use yakuake
[05:16] <valorie> sec
[05:16] <hyper_ch> currently 16 bugs reported, 1 already fixed
[05:17] <arunce> http://pastebin.com/GVgjyjvF
[05:17] <arunce> I need to work those locales
[05:17] <hyper_ch> arunce: you want to have paper set to US?
[05:18] <arunce> ya... that's strange
[05:18] <arunce> no i don't
[05:18] <arunce> and it wasn't
[05:18] <hyper_ch> :)
[05:20] <arunce> btw, any of you having problems with the panels after disabling/enabling the compositor? (with shift+alt+F12)
[05:21] <hyper_ch> what do you mean?
[05:21] <arunce> just try..
[05:22] <hyper_ch> nothing happens
[05:22] <arunce> maybe you will lose some functions, like transparency, widgets stop working with composite effects
[05:23] <hyper_ch> I have that disabled anyway
[05:23] <hyper_ch> I disable almost all effects
[05:23] <hyper_ch> valorie: where to report bugs to the icon only task manager?
[05:24] <arunce> icon only task manager? what bug?
[05:25] <hyper_ch> more a feature request... when you minimize windows there, then the icon turns grey.... but if it's  icon-only and only having greyed out icons on the task bar makes it not very easy to see the correct icon again
[05:26] <arunce> i'm using dark breeze, had do rebuild the iconset
[05:26] <arunce> *to
[05:26] <hyper_ch> breeze is just too much a wasted space IMHO
[05:27] <hyper_ch> still unhappy how oxygen increased spacing also
[05:27] <hyper_ch> because now I have to scroll my folder lists in kontact
[05:28] <arunce> I'm loving these flat themes
[05:29] <valorie> dark breeze worked great for me, and I love the new look
[05:29] <valorie> tastes differ
[05:29] <arunce> I miss glow
[05:30] <arunce> and dim inactive don't work for me
[05:30] <valorie> some loved it, and I lot loudly hated it
[05:30] <valorie> a lot
[05:30] <arunce> well, you could choose any other coulor
[05:30] <hyper_ch> arunce: http://images.sjau.ch/img/8630cb25.png
[05:31] <valorie> oh, I don't like that spacing either
[05:31] <arunce> hyper_ch: that's hard
[05:31] <valorie> tiny icons, widely spread
[05:31] <valorie> have to agree there
[05:31] <hyper_ch> so, gotta update some vms to Jessie
[05:32] <arunce> hyper_ch: did you try with the desktop effect "Background contrast"?
[05:33] <hyper_ch> arunce: no I haven't.... I wanted to suggest to not completly grey-out icons in the icon-only task manager
[05:35] <valorie> kde4 icons are still colored
[05:35] <valorie> I use the icon-only
[05:36] <valorie> ktorrent arrow is still blue
[05:39] <arunce> taking a snapshot and found 2 bugs
[05:39] <arunce> one of them was captured
[05:39] <arunce> the last is a bit like matrix
[05:44] <arunce> https://cld.pt/dl/download/e516fe1e-6425-4966-ae84-298f1ee86238/20_Plasma.png
[05:44] <valorie> what are we looking at there?
[05:45] <arunce> the taken in 1 second shouln't appear
[05:45] <arunce> just to show the greyed out icons with dark breeze
[05:45] <valorie> ah
[05:56] <xuechaokang> hello
[05:57] <valorie> hi xuechaokang, can we help?
[06:59] <tarator> Hi everyone, will the Plasma 5.3 Desktop also be released for regular Kubuntu 15.04 installations? (without enabling the backports repository) ANd if yes, when?
[07:24] <iroh5> Mountain Daylight Time reads UTC-7 instead UTC-6 on the Desktop Clock -- LTS Precise KDE 4.85.  Pacific, Mountain, Eastern and Atlantic Daylight Time renders their correct times.  Where do I find a fix or report this bug?
[07:29] <valorie> tarator: it is in backports. It will not be part of 15.04 now that it is released, too late for that
[07:30] <valorie> iroh5: try `ubuntu-bug locale` in the commandline to file the bug
[07:34] <iroh5> valorie: I am not sure if this is a known issue or a debian thing, or even how to search it out.  googling it didnt help, so I thought to ask.  Thanks.
[07:43] <shanu> hi some is online
[07:44] <shanu> i have problem
[07:44] <Linux-Uzer> Hi.
[07:45] <Linux-Uzer> Help, anybody?
[07:45] <shanu> help anybody
[07:45] <Linux-Uzer> hehe, I'm a new Linux user. I'm trying to install something.
[07:45] <shanu> what
[07:45] <shanu> .............
[07:46] <Linux-Uzer> XAMPP. It's a .run file.
[07:46] <shanu> ok
[07:46] <alvin> iroh5: What does the date command tell you?
[07:47] <Linux-Uzer> I closed the Konsole, I'll try again to fetch the results. Please, wait (if you want).
[07:47] <Linux-Uzer> ./xampp-linux-x64-5.6.3-0-installer.run: command not found
[07:48] <iroh5> alvin: Sat May  2 01:47:33 MDT 2015
[07:48] <iroh5> which is correct.  the desktop plasma is 1 hour off
[07:48] <MoonUnit`> try bash xampp-linux-x64-5.6.3-0-installer.run
[07:48] <Linux-Uzer> what does it do?
[07:48] <MoonUnit`> or chmod+x xampp-linux-x64-5.6.3-0-installer.run then ./xampp-linux-x64-5.6.3-0-installer.run
[07:48] <Linux-Uzer> the last 2 don't work.
[07:49] <Linux-Uzer> I'll try another file, which I'm still downloading.
[07:49] <alvin> iroh5: Good. When you hover over the clock and scroll the mouse it should switch between all timezones you have set.
[07:49] <MoonUnit`> the executable bit isn't set so linux doesn't know its an executable file.
[07:49] <Linux-Uzer> Alright, let me see the new file, please.
[07:50] <alvin> (The clock in the panel I mean) If you right click it and choose settings, you can choose the time zones
[07:52] <valorie> iroh5: sorry, was wrapping up an intense email
[07:52] <arunce> Linux-Uzer: https://www.apachefriends.org/faq_linux.html
[07:52] <valorie> I've not seen your precise problem reported, but it is def. a bug
[07:52] <Linux-Uzer> chmod +x xampp-linux-5.6.8-0-installer.run   <-- Doesn't work, nothing happened.
[07:53] <MoonUnit`> that just sets the exe bit now try ./xampp-linux-x64-5.6.3-0-installer.run
[07:53] <Linux-Uzer> ./xampp-linux-5.6.8-0-installer.run   <--Works!  but asking root priviliges.
[07:53] <MoonUnit`> run sudo ./xampp-linux-5.6.8-0-installer.run
[07:54] <Linux-Uzer> WORKED!
[07:54] <Linux-Uzer> Thanx!
[07:54] <Linux-Uzer> a lot!
[07:54] <MoonUnit`> np
[07:55] <valorie> iroh5: ah, I asked the same question as alvin last time I saw you ask
[07:55] <valorie> but no reply -- so what is the output of `date` in a konsole?
[07:56] <alvin> It's there. His date is correct. That leaves out reconfiguring the tzdata
[07:57] <alvin> I've never seen trouble with the timezone in KDE, but it's possible to scroll the mouse wheel when over the clock and set the display to some other timezone by accident.
[07:59] <iroh5> alvin: valorie: sorry, afk-- cat issues.  I reinstalled tzdata using muon and that seems to have fixed the problem.
[07:59] <iroh5> valorie: sorry, afk-- cat issues. I reinstalled tzdata using muon and that seems to have fixed the problem.
[08:00] <alvin> It did? Ok then.
[08:01] <alvin> Your timezone didn't recently change, dit it :-) If that happens, there's a tzdata update.
[08:01] <iroh5> alvin: thanks it was driving me nuts. everytime zone except mine was on time. i even missed an appointment because of it.  yes tzdata updated yesterday or the day before.
[08:02]  * alvin goes back to preparing for the leap second. Storing more grain, water. Don't forget salt.
[08:02] <valorie> hahaha
[08:02] <iroh5> lol
[08:03] <iroh5> valorie: thanks also for your help.
[08:05] <valorie> you are welcome, but all I did was try
[08:09] <iroh5> i used to do light tech support for an unnamed conglomerate that didnt have the best manners, so when peops are online to lend a hand gratis i think its important to let them know they are appreciated.
[08:34] <Champion_The> hi, do you recommend OpenGL 3.1 over 2 for compositor backend?
[08:37] <sbivol> Champion_The: I've been running with OpenGL 3.1 on the fglrx driver without any issues. I guess the older OpenGL backends are there as an alternative in case your driver is buggy
[08:37] <Champion_The> yeah but it is by default
[08:39] <sbivol> buggy by default? of course it is :-)
[08:41] <Champion_The> yeah I changed it, and OpenGL interface
[08:41] <Champion_The> which one is better?
[08:41] <Champion_The> GLX / EGL?
[08:42] <sbivol> the recommendation would be driver-dependent, I guess...
[08:43] <sbivol> GLX is older, as far as I know
[08:44] <sbivol> try EGL. If it fails, revert to GLX
[08:45] <Champion_The> I have intel HD 4400
[08:48] <Champion_The> driver=i915
[08:48] <Champion_The> ok I'll try it :D
[08:49] <arunce> x support egl?
[08:49] <arunce> I think not
[08:49] <Champion_The> yeah it's there
[08:49] <Champion_The> Kubuntu 15.04
[08:50] <sbivol> arunce: It does, according to http://www.mesa3d.org/egl.html
[08:50] <arunce> nice
[08:52] <Champion_The> EGL is not supported by all OpenGL drivers. If not supported the Compositor will be disabled.
[08:52] <Champion_The> a message :D
[08:54] <MoonUnit`> decorations sometimes crash when i change those settings.
[09:03] <Champion_The> looks like it works for me
[09:03] <Champion_The> and seems to be faster
[09:17] <wmp> hello, i have problem with 15.04 and with breeze-dark theme, i dont know why i have white panel with task manager, without changes after switch style to dark, panel is same that standard theme
[09:28] <arunce> wmp: you may need to switch it at the workspace theme
[09:29] <ERIC850> bonjour
[09:34] <ERIC850> Cannot load library /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libkdeinit5_ksystraycmd
[09:34] <ERIC850> kubuntu 15.04
[09:37] <Fleck> http://imgur.com/RbF38Mi << seems like many KDE apps have problems with kio... gwenview also in the list, can't use browse after upgrade to KDE Plasma... ideas?
[09:40] <Champion_The> Fleck: I prefer to install a fresh distro
[09:40] <Fleck> yeah, but I don't
[09:40] <Champion_The> then deal with the consequences
[09:41] <Fleck> trying to, don't you see?
[09:42] <arunce> I'm with the same install since 2010... imagine that.
[10:02] <Champion_The> arunce: an LTS version?
[10:19] <arunce> no
[10:22] <Fleck> arunce: so, you don't have such problem as I am having?
[10:25] <typhoon_2099> Hey guys, I've just tried adding a script to run at startup which was removed during the upgrade to 15.04 but it does not appear when i return to the Startup and Shutdown menu. I've checked ~/.config/autostart and the file (or symlink) is there, it's just not being picked up at statup. Anyone else have the same issue?
[10:38] <arunce> typhoon_2099: mine survived the upgrade.
[10:49] <alvin> typhoon_2099: I can confirm that. You can no longer add startup scripts. Well, you can add them, but they will mysteriously disappear.
[10:50] <lordievader> alvin: Are they still executed though?
[10:51] <alvin> I'm not sure. I am struggling with a script that worked before. programs (desktop files) do work in a fashion.
[10:53] <arunce> alvin: mine are working, xbindkeys for the matter.
[10:53] <alvin> can you see them too? (In kcmshell5 autostart)
[10:55] <arunce> alvin: i can see them in the autostart - system settings
[10:55] <alvin> Are they listed as 'startup' or 'pre-startup'
[10:55] <alvin> arunce: (and are we talking about plasma5?)
[10:56] <arunce> kubuntu 15.04 - plasma 5.3
[10:57] <alvin> arunce: startup or pre-startup scripts?
[10:57] <arunce> none
[10:58] <alvin> So, you have the same bug. They are not visible?
[11:00] <arunce> alvin: https://meocloud.pt/link/928d366f-5f44-431a-beda-f0aeef74178d/temp_AS.png/
[11:00] <typhoon_2099> Hi sorry, went for a shower. The scripts don't run at startup. They are startup scripts, it's a shell script that starts two other Conky scripts (which are directly referenced). When i go into the startup and shutdown menu the scripts have been removed, despite the files/symlinks being present in the autostart directory
[11:01] <arunce> that's not a "script", but it works as advised.
[11:05] <alvin> arunce: Ah, no. That's a desktop file. Yes, those work
[11:08]  * bip Hello ;-)
[11:29] <alvin> !plasma-widget-redshift
[11:29] <alvin> !package plasma-widget-redshift
[11:29] <alvin> ok, I don't know ubottu's command here
[11:30] <Unit193> !info plasma-widget-redshift
[11:30] <alvin> It's a plasma widget, but when I install it, it's nowhere to be found in the widgets.
[11:30] <alvin> Unit193: thanks
[11:30] <Unit193> Sure.
[11:39] <ik_> hi friends !!
[11:40] <ik_> excuse me ... i have a problem with Kate
[11:40] <Fleck> ik_: shoot
[11:41] <ik_> when i start Kate i see two instances of Kate
[12:00] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:02] <MoonUnit`> hi
[12:14] <patrick_> Running Kubuntu 15.04, from time to time, the hdd access goes crazy and the whole system just grinds to a halt - i am forced to hold the power button and reboot - any ideas ?
[12:15] <BluesKaj> patrick_, explain "goes crazy"
[12:15] <Fleck> sounds like swapping :D
[12:16] <Fleck> patrick_: next time leave it, for hours, it should recover :D
[12:16] <MoonUnit`> or bad sectors
[12:16] <patrick_> patrick_:  the hdd light on the box flashs and then is fully on, while I can barley move the mouse interact without 30+sec delays, also I can hear the hdd noises more so than normal
[12:17] <patrick_> BluesKaj:   the hdd light on the box flashs and then is fully on, while I can barley move the mouse interact without 30+sec delays, also I can hear the hdd noises more so than normal
[12:18] <BluesKaj> turn off the search index in system settings . patrick_
[12:18] <BluesKaj> file search
[12:18] <patrick_> BluesKaj:  I see Plasma search and File search
[12:18] <patrick_> BluesKaj:  untick File search ?
[12:19] <BluesKaj> yup
[12:19] <BluesKaj> for starters
[12:19] <patrick_> BluesKaj: ty I think I had this same issue few releases back, same solution, fingers crossed
[12:23] <BluesKaj> patrick_, do you use kmail ?
[12:23] <patrick_> BluesKaj:  no
[12:23] <BluesKaj> or kontact etc?
[12:24] <patrick_> BluesKaj:  no, only kate, kile, kde im client , amarok -think my others are all non kde programs
[12:24] <BluesKaj> patrick_, now open ~/.config/akonadi/akonadiserverrc, change Startserver from true to false
[12:26] <patrick_> BluesKaj:  what will this do ?
[12:27] <BluesKaj> prevents fro thakonadi server from starting and running in the background , since you don't use it
[12:27] <BluesKaj> prevents the
[12:30] <BluesKaj> aurelie, how many underscores do you need?
[12:34] <patrick_> BluesKaj:  what does akonadi server do  anyway ?
[12:35] <BluesKaj> !akonadi
[12:36] <BluesKaj> !info akonadi
[12:36] <BluesKaj> oh lord what's wrong with the bot now?
[12:36] <patrick_> lol
[12:37] <BluesKaj> https://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi
[12:38] <patrick_> ty
[12:38] <BluesKaj> it's meant for on the job users mostly
[13:37] <wmp> arunce: no, this dont helps, i trying this
[14:14] <luc4> Sorry, but… am I the only one who finds 15.04 unusable? Half the times, or more, that I run it I have to fix something...
[14:23] <MoonUnit`> 5.3 is pretty stable for me.
[14:26] <Spec-Chum> cool, I've not tried it yet
[14:26] <Spec-Chum> I've just installed kubuntu onto a 32gb memory stick to try it out without messing with my laptop
[14:27] <Spec-Chum> I have put 4.01 kernel on tho
[14:28] <Spec-Chum> it is a quick memory stick tho, SSD territory.  220Mb/sec read 100Mb/sec write
[14:28] <luc4> Any way to install the old kde4 on 15.04?
[14:32] <luc4> Pretty bad… I have to systems in front of me… on one I had to create a new user cause my user has now decided to show a black screen, in the other the loader only disappears some times…
[14:37] <lordievader> My netboot has been fine with Vivid + Plasma 5.3.
[14:42] <BluesKaj> Spec-Chum, from all reports the 4.01 kernel isn't very stable with 15.04 ...your experience may be different , but be warned
[14:45] <BluesKaj> luc4, upgrade to plasma 5.3 here, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[14:47] <luc4> BluesKaj: but… isn’t that the one in 15.04?
[14:48] <lordievader> Perhaps it landed in the archives, but else it is in the backports.
[14:49] <luc4> lordievader: how do I find out?
[14:50] <lordievader> luc4: In a kde application go to help -> about kde
[14:51] <luc4> lordievader: Frameworks Version 5.9.0
[14:52] <lordievader> Ah right, what does 'apt-cache policy plasma-desktop' say?
[14:53] <luc4> lordievader: 5.2.2
[14:53] <luc4> I’ll try that then, thanks
[14:53] <luc4> now even the keyboard layout seems not to work… :-(
[14:54] <Spec-Chum> hmm, baloo is taking 100% cpu
[14:54] <Spec-Chum> well, 25% or 1 full core I should say
[14:55] <MoonUnit`> baloo has been a problem for many,
[14:56] <luc4> Yes, for me as well.
[14:57] <MoonUnit`> figured out the problem on my system, in konsole balooctl stop (may need to pkill baloo_file) then balooctl start and wait for it to get stuck on a file, then block that folder from being searched again.
[14:57] <MoonUnit`> Konversation logs were one the sticking points.
[14:57] <Poca> yep
[14:57] <Poca> because at every message
[14:57] <Poca> it grows( changes )
[14:57] <Poca> so it needs to be indexed again
[14:57] <Poca> hahaha
[14:58] <luc4> I simply disables search… although it seems to get back on...
[15:01] <Spec-Chum> seems ok now I've restarted it
[15:01] <Spec-Chum> thanks MoonUnit`
[15:02] <Spec-Chum> it is still doing the log files from konversation but it doesn't appear to be stuck
[15:03] <luc4> lordievader: ok, moving to 5.3 was not a good choice… doesn’t seem to even login anymore
[15:03] <lordievader> luc4: You do get to sddm?
[15:04] <luc4> lordievader: yes
[15:04] <lordievader> luc4: Anything in xsession-errors?
[15:04] <luc4> lordievader: it seems that the loader screen is creating a mess everywhere
[15:04] <luc4> let me check
[15:04] <Poca> it's a little bit weird
[15:05] <Poca> because if you issue systemctl list-units
[15:05] <Poca> even consolekit is still there
[15:05] <Poca> I thought that it was deprecated and that logind was created to replace it
[15:05] <Poca> but well...
[15:06] <luc4> lordievader: I see autostart2Done timedout, his is a BUG!
[15:06] <luc4> *this
[15:07] <lordievader> luc4: What happens when you set xinitrc to start kde and then run 'startx' from a tty after you stopped sddm?
[15:08] <luc4> lordievader: another user instead logs in
[15:09] <lordievader> luc4: What?
[15:09] <luc4> lordievader: I have another user. With that user I can see the desktop
[15:10] <luc4> lordievader: still with a black portion, but at least I see a portion of it.
[15:10] <lordievader> luc4: Hmm, so it is something in your kde settings.
[15:10] <luc4> lordievader: yes
[15:10] <luc4> lordievader: since I installed 15.04 I reset users at lest 15 times...
[15:11] <lordievader> luc4: So figure out what is triggering it ;)
[15:17] <kalib> Hello guys, just upgraded to ubuntu 15.04 (nice job with plasma 5, by the way). Well, Is it possible to  run netflix on it?
[15:19] <OerHeks> kalib with Chrome you can.
[15:19] <MoonUnit`> yup with chome is works, didn't with chromium.
[15:19] <kalib> well, I was trying with chromium and firefox
[15:20] <kalib> no, no hacking needed? just install chrome and it´s done?
[15:20] <OerHeks> yes, try it
[15:20] <kalib> thanks.. I´ll do it. ;]
[15:21] <luc4> lordievader: I don’t know what to say… now all the titles of the window disappeared…
[15:21] <lordievader> luc4: Is this an upgrade or a reinstall?
[15:21] <luc4> lordievader: an upgrade that was working 30 minutes ago
[15:23] <lordievader> luc4: Upgrades sometimes have the wierdest problems.
[15:23] <MoonUnit`> tried lowering settings in compositor? i had weird glitches when the rendering backend was set to 3.1
[15:24] <luc4> lordievader: ok, let’s give up…
[15:26] <Irish_Canon> Hello all i am using sudo dd if=ubuntu.iso  of=/dev/sdb1 bs=1M and its taking more time then if I was to use bs=512  - Any ideas whats going on
[15:27] <lordievader> Irish_Canon: That is quite normal, there is an optimum curve with blocksizes.
[15:28] <Irish_Canon> cool thx
[15:29] <Spec-Chum> I normally use 512
[15:35] <amundsen> hi
[15:36] <amundsen> which is the kde version in 14.04 now?
[15:36] <lordievader> !info kdelibs5-core trusty
[15:37] <lordievader> !info kdelibs5-dat trusty
[15:37] <lordievader> !info kdelibs5-data trusty
[15:37] <lordievader> amundsen: 4.13.3
[15:37] <lordievader> Backports might have a newer version.
[15:37] <amundsen> lordievader: so if you want to use 4.14 yo must use backports?
[15:37] <amundsen> ok
[15:37] <amundsen> thx
[15:37] <lordievader> !info kdelibs5-data kubuntu-backports
[15:38] <lordievader> amundsen: ^ 4.14.2 ;)
[15:38] <amundsen> lordievader: that's the version of backports, right?
[15:39] <lordievader> Yes.
[16:03] <cyclick> Can I rollback from kubuntu 15.04? I tried to install updates that didn't make it to stable yet and still have too many issues
[16:10] <MoonUnit`> not really, reinstall or restore a backup.
[16:48] <cyclick> ok thanks moonunit
[17:04] <cyclick> Dolphin is now hanging very often
[17:06] <soee_> never hangs for me  :)
[17:17] <eryndiamonds> help!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:20] <eryndiamonds> 15.04 has crashed. plasmashell keeps giving errors and I can't do anything
[17:22] <eryndiamonds> will not start in failsafe mode either
[17:23] <eryndiamonds> can anyone help me?
[17:23] <murthy> eryndiamonds: hi
[17:24] <eryndiamonds> hi
[17:24] <murthy> eryndiamonds: what did you do before the crash, did you install or upgrade something?
[17:25] <eryndiamonds> i upgraded to 15.04 then I was configuring the task bar. then crash
[17:27] <eryndiamonds> what I keep getting is Plasma closed unexpectedly.
[17:27] <murthy> eryndiamonds: there are few things that can cause this. I can tell some solutions, can you try one by one?
[17:28] <eryndiamonds> Executable: plasmashell PID: ##### Signal: Segmentation fault (11)
[17:29] <murthy> eryndiamonds: try deleting this file in your home directory .Xauthority
[17:29] <eryndiamonds> sure. I'm using my phone to access this chat
[17:29] <murthy> eryndiamonds: and then relogin
[17:30] <murthy> eryndiamonds: do you know how to do delete the file?
[17:30] <eryndiamonds> I have Dolphin up from the debug mode now
[17:31] <murthy> eryndiamonds: you can access dolphin?
[17:31] <murthy> eryndiamonds: In that case your login is successful so you dont have to delete the file
[17:31] <murthy> eryndiamonds: Sorry I thought you are not able to login, my mistake.
[17:32] <eryndiamonds> I'm in home. where is that file?
[17:32] <murthy> eryndiamonds: It must be the graphics driver
[17:33] <murthy> eryndiamonds: do you use any graphics card like nvidia with binary driver?
[17:33] <eryndiamonds> not sure. this is an old laptop
[17:34] <eryndiamonds> I can't find the file?
[17:34] <murthy> eryndiamonds: can you run the driver installer ?
[17:35] <murthy> eryndiamonds: The driver manager in the system settings
[17:36] <eryndiamonds> how do I do that with me being almost helpless?
[17:36] <murthy> eryndiamonds: are you able to open the krunner?
[17:36] <murthy> eryndiamonds: press alt+f2
[17:36] <eryndiamonds> I can't get to system settings
[17:36] <murthy> eryndiamonds: I crashes?
[17:37] <murthy> eryndiamonds: It crashes?
[17:37] <eryndiamonds> hang on
[17:37] <eryndiamonds> got system settings up
[17:38] <murthy> eryndiamonds: goto driver manager
[17:39] <eryndiamonds> Okay. collecting information
[17:41] <eryndiamonds> it was working just fine with 14.10
[17:42] <eryndiamonds> still says collecting information about your system
[17:51] <murthy> eryndiamonds: ok. tell me when it completes. i am going for dinner. will be back in 15 min
[17:51] <eryndiamonds> Okay.
[17:52]  * JMichaelX is having KDE4.0 flashbacks
[17:56] <eryndiamonds> Okay. first box, using processor microcode firmware for intel cpus from intel-microcode. second box: using smartlink software modem daemon from sl-modem-daemon
[18:04] <akerman> Привет!
[18:06] <Konraj> is there a repo to add KDE applications 15.04.0 to Kubuntu 15.04?
[18:06] <murthy> eryndiamonds: hi, it seems the issue is not with the driver
[18:07] <murthy> eryndiamonds: The problem could be caused by the plasmashell config file, you need to backup and delete that file. let me give you the filename
[18:07] <murthy> Konraj: you want the backports?
[18:08] <Konraj> murthy: do you mean they are in the backports repo?
[18:08] <murthy> Konraj: do you want plasma ?
[18:09] <murthy> Konraj: I mean plasma 5.3?
[18:09] <Konraj> I have plasma 5.3 already
[18:10] <murthy> Konraj: check about kubuntu backports and beta backports ppa by googling
[18:10] <eryndiamonds> I changed my display settings. hold on
[18:13] <Konraj> murthy: those repos don't contain them
[18:13] <murthy> Konraj: I not sure what you want. You better ask the devs in kubuntu-devel
[18:14] <Konraj> https://community.kde.org/Applications/15.04_Release_Notes
[18:16] <murthy> Konraj: Still I am not sure what you want.
[18:17] <Konraj> murthy: that lists kde 5 versions of applications that are not in any of the kubuntu repos
[18:18] <eryndiamonds> stepped away for a moment from laptop. how do I get plasmashell to correct itself?
[18:18] <murthy> Konraj: oh ok, you want kde applications 15.04, I am not sure but I think its getting packaged , let me check that
[18:19] <murthy> eryndiamonds: I will give you certain filename , you need to rename them with extension .bak . example plasmarc  to plasmarc.bak  .    ok?
 I need to get plasmashell to fix itself
[18:20] <eryndiamonds> Okay
[18:20] <murthy> eryndiamonds: in your home directory goto the directory .kde->share->config
[18:22] <murthy> There you will see four files namely plasmarc, plasma-desktoprc, plasma-desktop-appletsrc, plasma-appletsrc .  Rename these files like what I said. Then relogin
[18:22] <murthy> eryndiamonds: ^
[18:23] <murthy> eryndiamonds: so the files would be like this after renaming plasmarc.bak, plasma-desktoprc.bak, plasma-desktop-appletsrc.bak , plasma-appletsrc.bak
[18:26] <eryndiamonds> what folder? I can't find what you mentioned
[18:26] <tempestadept> Hello. I've updated to 15.04, and after logging in I see just the wallpaper, no desktop panels. I've renamed .kde, .local and .config, nothing changed. APT tells me that I have latest versions of kubuntu-desktop, plasma-desktop, plasma-workspace. What could cause this?
[18:26] <murthy> eryndiamonds: its hidden, you need to press alt+. (dot) button to unhide them
[18:27] <murthy> eryndiamonds: in the home directory press those keys and the hidden folders will show up. you need to go inside .kde folder after that
[18:28] <eryndiamonds> I'm in folder. only file there is kdebugrc
[18:29] <murthy> eryndiamonds: you upgraded from 14.10 to 15.04?
[18:30] <eryndiamonds> yes
[18:30] <tempestadept> Interestingly, pstree shows that lightdm started lightdm-kde-greeter, and it didn't start anything useful
[18:30] <murthy> eryndiamonds: Did it finish completly?
[18:30] <eryndiamonds> it said it did.  I guess it didn't
[18:31] <murthy> eryndiamonds: open a terminal and run sudo dpkg-configure -a
[18:33] <eryndiamonds> what command for terminal again?
[18:35] <eryndiamonds> I can't find terminal. ugh
[18:36] <murthy> eryndiamonds: in krunner type konsole
[18:37] <murthy> eryndiamonds: the command is sudo dpkg-configure -a
[18:38] <eryndiamonds> got terminal. now it's rejecting that command
[18:38] <murthy> eryndiamonds: rejecting>
[18:38] <murthy> eryndiamonds: rejecting?
[18:39] <eryndiamonds> says: sudo: dpkg-configure: command not found
[18:39] <murthy> eryndiamonds: wait
[18:40] <murthy> eryndiamonds: Try this   sudo dpkg --configure -a
[18:42] <eryndiamonds> unrecognized option --configure
[18:42] <tweak77> hi. just curious if anyone knows how to troubleshoot this, each time i start KDE (login) the system starts but i get a problem reporting window each time (on the loading screen for the kde components)
[18:45] <eryndiamonds> Okay it just took the command
[18:45] <murthy> eryndiamonds: whats happening now?
[18:46] <eryndiamonds> it just took command. now I have a prompt
[18:46] <CodeBot3000> Hello! I was wondering: I need to add a directory to my PATH, I was wondering which configuration file should I place that. '.profile'?
[18:46] <BluesKaj> tweak77, did you install kde as an alternative desktop in ubuntu?
[18:47] <tweak77> BluesKaj: Yes actually I did, but I use it as my main desktop beside Ubuntu Studio
[18:47] <BluesKaj> tweak77, suggeest you install kubuntu-desktop
[18:48] <eryndiamonds> now how do I get it to fix the plasmashell?
[18:48] <murthy> eryndiamonds: rename the .kde directory to .kde_bak and relogin
[18:48] <tweak77> BluesKaj: so ditch the multiple environments?
[18:48] <eryndiamonds> okay
[18:50] <BluesKaj> tweak77, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE\
[18:50] <tweak77> BluesKaj: thank you
[18:50] <eryndiamonds> rebooting
[18:51] <BluesKaj> tweak77, correction https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE
[18:52] <BluesKaj> tweak77, ignore the post URL posted above
[18:52] <BluesKaj> first
[18:52] <tweak77> BluesKaj: Okay.
[18:55] <tweak77> BluesKaj: I have all those packages installed, but it suggested an autoremove of my old linux headers which i went ahead and did.  requesting reboot, so i will be back in a sec.
[18:57] <murthy> CodeBot3000: http://askubuntu.com/questions/60218/how-to-add-a-directory-to-my-path
[18:57] <eryndiamonds> Okay now what ? still getting errors. still no taskbar. ugh
[18:59] <tweak77> BluesKaj: Same error message unfortunately.
[19:01] <eryndiamonds> murthy: How do I get it to fix the whole plasma
[19:01] <murthy> eryndiamonds: we need to find what is causing the crash
[19:02] <murthy> eryndiamonds: The proper way of doing it is hard
[19:02] <CodeBot3000> murthy: Thanks!
[19:02] <murthy> eryndiamonds: the first simple way is to find the error shown by the plasmashell from the console after enabling the debug messages in kdebugdialog
[19:03] <murthy> CodeBot3000: yw
[19:03] <murthy> eryndiamonds: do you want to try that?
[19:03] <eryndiamonds> okay if I can pull that up
[19:04] <eryndiamonds> hold on a sec.
[19:04] <murthy> eryndiamonds: ok
[19:06] <eryndiamonds> okay I have debug
[19:07] <murthy> eryndiamonds: did you enable the debug messages in kdebugdialog?
[19:07] <eryndiamonds> last thing it says is> ptrace: Operation not permitted
[19:08] <eryndiamonds> I'm in gdb
[19:09] <murthy> eryndiamonds: are you familiar with gdb?
[19:09] <eryndiamonds> no
[19:09] <murthy> eryndiamonds: in that case dont use it
[19:09] <eryndiamonds> okay I have kdebugdialog open
[19:10] <murthy> eryndiamonds: in that untick the "disable all debug outputs"
[19:10] <eryndiamonds> everything in list is greyed out
[19:10] <eryndiamonds> ahhh
[19:11] <murthy> eryndiamonds: then check if plasma, libplasma and plasma-desktop are ticked
[19:12] <murthy> eryndiamonds: If there are not checked, check them and press the ok button to close. Now you will get the debug messages of plasmashell properly
[19:13] <murthy> eryndiamonds: you need to stop the plasma desktop is that is running
[19:13] <murthy> eryndiamonds: use kquitapp to do that
[19:13] <murthy> eryndiamonds: kquitapp plasmashell
[19:14] <murthy> eryndiamonds: open konsole, run plasmashell and see if get any interesting error messages
[19:17] <aleksandar_> can anyone answer this, honestly, isn't Kubuntu 14.10 more stable than 15.04?
[19:18] <eryndiamonds> plasma-desktop is missing
[19:18] <murthy> aleksandar_: yes, it is
[19:19] <murthy> eryndiamonds: what?
[19:19] <eryndiamonds> yep. not there in the list
[19:20] <murthy> eryndiamonds: in the kdebugdialog?
[19:20] <eryndiamonds> exactly
[19:22] <murthy> eryndiamonds: goto root folder and then to usr->bin directory and see if plasmashell is present there
[19:23] <eryndiamonds> yes it is
[19:25] <murthy> eryndiamonds: ok check in konsole if you see any error messages when your run plasmashell from the same
[19:27] <BluesKaj> aleksandar__, depends which desktop is used on 14.10 , plasma 4 is stable, plasma 5 not so stable
[19:28] <eryndiamonds> error box keeps popping up. list in bash still going
[19:30] <murthy> eryndiamonds: dont close the error box. try to get the error message pasted here. use paste.kde.org
[19:31] <murthy> eryndiamonds: did you restart the system immediatly after it showed the restart taskbar icon during the upgrade?
[19:33] <eryndiamonds> last error >Executable: plasmashell PID: 4673 Signal: Segmentation fault (11) Time: 5/2/15 12:28:00
[19:34] <eryndiamonds> I let it restart itself when I upgraded
[19:34] <murthy> eryndiamonds: any error before the last line
[19:35] <eryndiamonds> screen lc
[19:35] <eryndiamonds> screen locked up right now. ugh
[19:36] <eryndiamonds> I'm at a Starbucks doing this. I need to step outside to smoke
[19:38] <murthy> eryndiamonds: I am at home, in front of my desktop its 1 AM here at my place
[19:38] <eryndiamonds> is there a way for it to redownlad everything to start over?
[19:39] <murthy> eryndiamonds:ya
[19:39] <murthy> eryndiamonds: sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[19:39] <murthy> eryndiamonds: That will reinstall the kubuntu desktop
[19:39] <eryndiamonds> Okay when I finish cigarette I will do that
[19:40] <murthy> eryndiamonds: ok. Smoking is bad for health :)
[19:40] <eryndiamonds> I know
[19:43] <eryndiamonds> it's doing it's thing
[19:43] <eryndiamonds> I'm at command prompt now
[19:43] <murthy> eryndiamonds: ok. wait till it finishes, then restart
[19:44] <eryndiamonds> Okay
[19:44] <murthy> eryndiamonds: There was a message posted in google plus by one of our kde or kubuntu developer
[19:44] <eryndiamonds> rebooting
[19:45] <murthy> ok
[19:47] <eryndiamonds> plasma error box again
[19:49] <eryndiamonds> same messages with different PID # on each box
[19:49] <murthy> eryndiamonds: ya, plasma shell is restarting and crashing
[19:51] <murthy> eryndiamonds: try this command   sudo dpkg-reconfigure plasma-desktop
[19:52] <eryndiamonds> Okay
[19:52] <murthy> eryndiamonds: then relogin
[19:53] <tempestadept> I don't see a way to configure networkmanager connections in plasma 5, only a menu of already configured connections. Am I missing some package, or is it a configuration issue?
[19:53] <MobileRoey> haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaai
[19:53] <MobileRoey> how are all of you today?
[19:53] <MobileRoey> murthy:   o/
[19:53] <MobileRoey> murthy:  once you and eryndiamonds finish, can I ask you for help?
[19:54] <MobileRoey> murthy:  SDDM is not showing me a username/password field.
[19:54] <murthy> MobileRoey: That is strange
[19:56] <eryndiamonds> same plasma error boxes
[19:58] <murthy> tempestadept: there is a settings icon on the top right of the networks plasma widget
[19:58] <murthy> eryndiamonds: do you have a live cd of 15.10?
[19:58] <murthy> eryndiamonds: sorry 15.04?
[19:58] <eryndiamonds> no
[20:01] <eryndiamonds> how do I do a fix
[20:02] <murthy> eryndiamonds: can you paste the output of ldd /usr/bin/glxgears. use paste.kde.org
[20:06] <eryndiamonds> hang on
[20:08] <eryndiamonds> I have kde paste open. now how do I get content of file
[20:09] <murthy> eryndiamonds: select the test shown in the konsole using mouse and to copy press ctrl+shift+v
[20:09] <tempestadept> murthy: oh, I see it. But now when I try to edit a connection, it complains about no agents available for the request, though I have opened kwallet manually
[20:09] <murthy> eryndiamonds: test=text
[20:11] <murthy> tempestadept: can you show me a screenshot of it?
[20:14] <eryndiamonds> ugh it's not pasting
[20:14] <murthy> eryndiamonds: do you see any line that contains libgl?
[20:16] <eryndiamonds> no
[20:17] <murthy> eryndiamonds: what does this command output  ldd /usr/bin/glxgears | grep -i "gl"
[20:20] <tempestadept> murthy: https://yadi.sk/i/ruu5e6tngPdZT it translates as "couldn't retrieve passwords"
[20:21] <tempestadept> murthy: pops every time I try to edit a connection with secrets
[20:21] <eryndiamonds> libGL.so.1 => usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1 (0xb7662000)
[20:21] <murthy> eryndiamonds: Did you permit the kwallet migration agent?
[20:21] <murthy> oops
[20:22] <murthy> tempestadept: ^
[20:22] <tempestadept> murthy: did I permit it where?
[20:23] <murthy> eryndiamonds: when you run the glxgears do you see the gears spinning?
[20:24] <eryndiamonds> libglapi.so.0 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglpi.so.0 (0xb72cc000)
[20:24] <eryndiamonds> yes I did
[20:24] <murthy> tempestadept: When you pressed the network settings icon to open it, I might have asked you for the migration or you might have done the same when you upgraded 15.04(I am assuming you upgraded)
[20:25] <tempestadept> murthy: I did uprade, but I haven't been asked for any migrations
[20:25] <tempestadept> at all
[20:26] <murthy> eryndiamonds: There is only one simple option left that I can suggest. run a live cd  of 15.04 and see if the plasmashell crashes, if it crashes then you have to wait till the issue is fixed by the develpers else you can do a fresh install
[20:26] <eryndiamonds> libxcb-glx.o.0 => /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libxcb-glx.so.0 (0xb7290000)
[20:27] <murthy> eryndiamonds: You could also wait here till someone with more knowlege will help you
[20:28] <murthy> tempestadept: open kwallet
[20:28] <eryndiamonds> ugh
[20:28] <tempestadept> murthy: I have it open
[20:29] <murthy> tempestadept: now try opening the network settings again
[20:29] <murthy> I am feeling burned out and sleepy
[20:30] <murthy> 2 AM here
[20:30] <tempestadept> murthy: same thing
[20:30] <murthy> tempestadept: I know
[20:30] <murthy> even eryndiamonds probably
[20:30] <murthy> The thing is its hard to troubleshoot a system remotely and that too without remote desktop
[20:31] <eryndiamonds> very burnt out
[20:31] <murthy> eryndiamonds: ya thats why use smoked :D
[20:33] <murthy> *use=you
[20:34] <murthy> Ok I am going to bed, see you guy later, hope the problems get solved
[20:56] <MobileRoey> back
[20:56] <MobileRoey> hello all
[20:57] <MobileRoey> murthy:  so yeah, I can't log in.
[20:57] <MobileRoey> the most I can do is switch to a TTY and log in from there on the text console.
[20:57] <MobileRoey> murthy:  and when I launch SDDM, I see the same issue.
[20:57] <lordievader> MobileRoey: Murthy is to bed ;)
[20:57] <MobileRoey> ahhh
[20:57] <MobileRoey> :)
[20:57] <MobileRoey> lordievader:  do you have any idea about this issue?
[20:58] <MobileRoey> I'll bug him tomorrow about it I suppose :)
[20:58] <lordievader> Upgrade or reinstall?
[20:59] <MobileRoey> upgrade from 14.10 -> 15.04.
[20:59] <MobileRoey> I mean that's what it is.
[20:59] <MobileRoey> I don't think I can reinstall and keep /home
[21:00] <MobileRoey> since both /home and / are BTRFS subvols
[21:00] <lordievader> MobileRoey: What does the sddm log say?
[21:00] <MobileRoey> where ist he sddm log located?
[21:00] <MobileRoey> I will surely let you know
[21:00] <MobileRoey> oh
[21:00] <MobileRoey> I am looking at it now.
[21:01] <lordievader> MobileRoey: /var/log/sddm.log or something like that.
[21:03] <MobileRoey> yeah;
[21:04] <MobileRoey> I'm considering just giving it to you to see what the error is, since I don't see one? except X crashing mysteirously?
[21:04] <lordievader> MobileRoey: Please do pastebin it ;)
[21:06] <Etriaph> valorie: ping
[21:07] <valorie> hi Etriaph
[21:07] <valorie> please ask a question, rather than a contentless ping
[21:08] <Etriaph> valorie: Sent a message to the basket-devel mailing list the day before last, nothing yet.
[21:08] <valorie> I wish I was surprised
[21:08] <valorie> but...... I'd wait a few more days and then just write to kde-devel list
[21:09] <valorie> it would be so great to have it back
[21:09] <Etriaph> valorie: OK.
[21:09] <Etriaph> They're porting it to Qt5
[21:09] <Etriaph> But... I can't get a hold of anyone in the project.
[21:09] <valorie> well, one person said he was
[21:10] <valorie> have you cloned his repo to see what he's done?
[21:10] <Etriaph> Nope, not yet.  If it's this kind of delay I might fork it if that's possible.
[21:10] <valorie> well, it will not be necessary to fork as such
[21:10] <valorie> just begin maintaining it, and soon you will BE the maintainer
[21:11] <lordievader> Whoop whoop
[21:11] <valorie> after all, it is best to have a team if possible
[21:13] <Etriaph> Well I have lots of free time, right now.
[21:14] <Etriaph> I want to write some code to keep my mind occupied, so aside from writing some Rails gems (which I'm working on atm) I'd like to make my desktop better.
[21:14] <Etriaph> And yours too :D
[21:14] <valorie> where did he have that code stashed?
[21:14] <Etriaph> The Qt5?
[21:14] <Etriaph> It's on Github
[21:14] <valorie> you should be able to just clone and create a branch and work in that, right?
[21:15] <lordievader> MobileRoey: You still around?
[21:15] <Etriaph> https://github.com/keelhub/basket/tree/qt5
[21:15] <valorie> github is all about that, right?
[21:15] <Etriaph> Fork it and make a pull request
[21:15] <Etriaph> He would merge my changes in
[21:15] <valorie> ok
[21:15] <valorie> that might get him working again too
[21:15] <Etriaph> Let's see if I can get it to compile first :D
[21:15] <lordievader> valorie: Yes, fork all the things, and then issue a bunch of pull requests ;)
[21:15] <valorie> this is why I dislike github
[21:15] <Etriaph> I think it's a great idea.
[21:16] <valorie> Forking is Bad, ok?
[21:16] <valorie> but they make it good
[21:16] <lordievader> The keelhub is a fork.
[21:16] <MobileRoey> lordievader:  I posted it here for you: http://pastebin.com/HcFhUzES
[21:16] <valorie> git is designed to be worked in branches, and I hate that they call those "forks"
[21:16] <MobileRoey> lordievader:  big thing, I was out of USB sticks and had to transfer teh file from my desktop to my working laptop from which I am chattingnow.
[21:16] <MobileRoey> took em a bit
[21:17] <lordievader> valorie: Forking allows people to patch things who have no write access to that repository.
[21:17] <MobileRoey> *took me a bit.
[21:17] <lordievader> A fork is not a branch.
[21:17] <MobileRoey> valorie hey!
[21:17] <MobileRoey> *hug*
[21:17] <MobileRoey> lordievader:  SDDM log up there!!
[21:17] <Etriaph> A fork is a potential stream of diffs. :D
[21:17] <lordievader> MobileRoey: Looking at it.
[21:18] <MobileRoey> Etriaph:  I smell headache..
[21:18] <MobileRoey> lordievader:  thanks :) :)
[21:18] <Etriaph> MobileRoey: I smell coffee and my keyboard smoking :D
[21:18] <lordievader> MobileRoey: Does sddm start?
[21:18] <MobileRoey> yes it does start.
[21:18] <valorie> hi again, MobileRoey, still fighting the good fight I see
[21:18] <MobileRoey> it just shows a login screen without username or password fields, or ok/cancel buttons
[21:18] <lordievader> MobileRoey: Hmm, do you have autologin enabled?
[21:19] <MobileRoey> valorie:  KDE 4ever♥
[21:19] <Etriaph> lordievader: That's what I was thinking last night.
[21:19] <MobileRoey> lordievader:  I do not have autologin enabled
[21:19] <Etriaph> MobileRoey: But you could modify sddm.conf to auto-login your user so at least you can get in.
[21:19] <lordievader> Etriaph: Err sorry, what?
[21:19] <Etriaph> lordievader: Oh, I was talking about this issue last night with MobileRoey
[21:20] <Etriaph> It has me stumped.
[21:20] <lordievader> MobileRoey: You have failed login attempts, last time I saw that sddm was trying to login as oem which didn't exist.
[21:20] <lordievader> MobileRoey: Could you pastebin /etc/sddm.conf?
[21:20] <MobileRoey> ah sure, one sec
[21:23] <MobileRoey> hrm
[21:23] <MobileRoey> lordievader:   I don't see /etc/sddm.conf
[21:23] <MobileRoey> lordievader:  unless you mean:
[21:24] <MobileRoey> /etc/dbus-1system.d/sddm_org.freedesktop.DisplayManager.conf
[21:24] <lordievader> MobileRoey: That's okay. Wonder as whom it is trying to login.
[21:24] <MobileRoey> /etc/dbys01/system.d/org.kde.kcontrol.kcmsdd.conf
[21:24] <MobileRoey> /etc/init/sddm.conf
[21:24] <lordievader> MobileRoey: Anything in the auth log, if that is still a thing.
[21:25] <MobileRoey> I found nothing in /var/auth.log in terms of errors
[21:25] <lordievader> MobileRoey: Guess you should look at journalctl ;)
[21:30] <MobileRoey> lordievader:  http://pastebin.com/qJEft9Yy <-- journlctl -xb
[21:33] <lordievader> MobileRoey: In that log is sddm even started?
[21:33] <MobileRoey> oh.
[21:33] <MobileRoey> mmm dunno
[21:33] <MobileRoey> I do have it urnning no
[21:33] <MobileRoey> now
[21:34] <MobileRoey> oh
[21:34] <MobileRoey> ack
[21:35] <lordievader> ?
[21:35] <MobileRoey> lordievader:  it's running, but I don't see any graphics on tty6/7/8
[21:35] <MobileRoey> (I just started it now after you asked if it is even running)
[21:35] <lordievader> MobileRoey: Right, any interesting logging?
[21:37] <lordievader> MobileRoey: Also, your vbox drivers are broken.
[21:37] <MobileRoey> ok so:
[21:37] <MobileRoey> yeah I figured.
[21:37] <MobileRoey> (wrt/ vbox borken drvers)
[21:37] <MobileRoey> *broken
[21:38] <lordievader> rc.local[1212]: Failed to open Display .
[21:38] <lordievader> What is in your rc.local?
[21:42] <MobileRoey> lordievader:  ok I launched SDDM with sudo, and pasted the contents of /var/log/sddm.log to here: http://pastebin.com/f1GkjEjL
[21:42] <MobileRoey> lordievader:  rc.local I will upload in a sec.
[21:42] <MobileRoey> lordievader:   a few tweaks
[21:42] <MobileRoey> prevent ALSA from auto-muting SPDIF
[21:43] <MobileRoey> moount BTRFS snapshots catalogue, used by my backuup script
[21:43] <MobileRoey> xsetwacom set the stylus sample rate
[21:43] <MobileRoey> fail2ban restart
[21:43] <MobileRoey> sudo service dnsmaq restart
[21:43] <MobileRoey> (this after my iptables commands)
[21:43] <lordievader> Sounds nasty.
[21:43] <lordievader> But anyhow, Oxygen theme?
[21:43] <MobileRoey> meh just things I've accumulated over the years
[21:44] <MobileRoey> no idea about the Oxygen theme
[21:44] <valorie> MobileRoey: why not just back up your /home and start over?
[21:44] <MobileRoey> I do have /home backed up
[21:44] <valorie> you are spending ten times as long this way
[21:44] <MobileRoey> kinda
[21:45] <MobileRoey> I hate hate hate hate hate Ubuntu upgrades
[21:45] <MobileRoey> it's always so darned painful.  Always.
[21:45] <valorie> btrfs seems like a religion to everybody who uses it
[21:45] <valorie> it wasn't painful here
[21:45] <lordievader> MobileRoey: Error from greeter session: "Process crashed"
[21:45] <MobileRoey> here it is, and because of the setup that Kubuntu uses
[21:45] <lordievader> There is the culprit.
[21:45] <valorie> sometimes I do a clean install, but usually upgrade
[21:46] <MobileRoey> it puts @ and @home as subvols I think of the same iflesystem
[21:46] <MobileRoey> so re-installing would nuke my @home
[21:46] <lordievader> MobileRoey: Do you have plasma5.2 or 5.3?
[21:46] <MobileRoey> lordievader:  what crashed
[21:46] <valorie> right, thus my suggestion to backup
[21:46] <MobileRoey> X?
[21:46] <MobileRoey> lordievader:  checking..
[21:46] <valorie> you can always make a separate partition for /home in the future.....
[21:46] <lordievader> MobileRoey: The greeter session.
[21:46] <MobileRoey> lordievader:  5.2
[21:46] <lordievader> MobileRoey: Likely with this error: QDBusConnection: name 'org.freedesktop.UDisks2' had owner '' but we thought it was ':1.20'
[21:47] <MobileRoey> ok
[21:47] <lordievader> MobileRoey: You could upgrade to 5.3 and see if that fixes things.
[21:47] <MobileRoey> (don't know what to make of this, but ok)
[21:47] <MobileRoey> aha.
[21:47] <MobileRoey> let me guess there is hopefully a PPA for this?
[21:47] <MobileRoey> to Vivid?
[21:47] <lordievader> Yes, backports ppa.
[21:47] <MobileRoey> lemme see.. one sec.
[21:47] <lordievader> MobileRoey: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[21:49] <MobileRoey> ok
[21:49] <MobileRoey> I uncommented the bakcports PPA
[21:49] <MobileRoey> that the upgrade had commented auotmatically
[21:49] <MobileRoey> then apt-get updated
[21:49] <MobileRoey> now am apt-get dist-upgrading.
[21:49] <MobileRoey> lordievader:  thanks for the suggestion :)
[21:49] <lordievader> MobileRoey: We're not out of the woods yet ;)
[21:50] <MobileRoey> pshaaaa ;) thanks
[21:50] <MobileRoey> 20 seconds left
[21:50] <MobileRoey> 5 seconds.
[21:50] <MobileRoey> 1
[21:51] <MobileRoey> Is SDDM a KDE project?
[21:52] <valorie> MobileRoey: get in the habit of using `apt full-upgrade`
[21:52] <valorie> instead of apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:52] <valorie> mo betta
[21:52] <MobileRoey> oh I didn'tt even know there is a full-upgrade
[21:52] <MobileRoey> valorie, what does it do?
[21:52] <MobileRoey> thanks for letting me know :)
[21:53] <valorie> it will do auto-removal if necessary
[21:53] <MobileRoey> oh ok.
[21:53] <valorie> about SDDM: sorta
[21:53] <valorie> https://github.com/sddm
[21:53] <valorie> but not on KDE infra
[21:53] <MobileRoey> oh well yes I know that it is par tof FreeDesktop
[21:53] <MobileRoey> ah okay.
[21:53] <valorie> should be, IMO
[21:53] <MobileRoey> what toolkit does it use
[21:53] <MobileRoey> ?
[21:54] <MobileRoey> (by the way, my system is now upgrading to 5.3 from 5.2)
[21:54] <MobileRoey> (ir is my hope that this also upgrades SDDM)
[21:54] <valorie> C++11 plus QML
[21:54] <valorie> also: #sddm on irc.freenode.net
[21:54] <MobileRoey> oh.  QML on a framebuffer?
[21:55]  * valorie is no expert
[21:55] <MobileRoey> yeah okay I was there but thanks though
[21:55] <valorie> cool
[21:55] <MobileRoey> aye unerstood
[21:55] <valorie> as usual, help is always welcome
[21:55] <MobileRoey> justhopingt thatt this will fix my predicament
[21:55] <valorie> and they should come on in off github IMO
[21:56] <MobileRoey> you'd like them to migrate from Github to some other service?
[22:00] <MobileRoey> omg
[22:00] <MobileRoey> omg omg omg
[22:00] <MobileRoey> trying to contain myself
[22:00] <MobileRoey> I re-started SDDM
[22:01] <MobileRoey> and it  showed me all the login prompt in its entirety
[22:01] <MobileRoey> and I logged in and
[22:01] <MobileRoey> now I'm just waiting.  I see a black screen and a white  mouse cursor on it.
[22:01] <MobileRoey> Oh.
[22:01] <MobileRoey> Oh hahaha that was ffvwm
[22:01] <MobileRoey> re-doing, one moment
[22:01] <MobileRoey> started Plasma.
[22:02] <MobileRoey> OK this better be good.  Plasma, show me watcha got..
[22:02] <MobileRoey> KDE is starting up, good...... I see the bar
[22:02] <MobileRoey> now the mouse curosr
[22:02] <MobileRoey> for some reason it looks like it is stalling at 80% there.
[22:02] <MobileRoey> (the status bar)
[22:03] <MobileRoey> brb
[22:03] <MobileRoey> valorie, lordievader: ^
[22:03]  * lordievader is going to bed
[22:05] <valorie> sweete dreams, lordievader
[22:05] <valorie> status bar of what, MobileRoey?
[22:06] <MobileRoey> valorie:  nevermind it was just slow in loading
[22:06] <MobileRoey> I see everything now
[22:06] <valorie> oh, about SDDM - I would like them to become fully a KDE project
[22:06] <MobileRoey> wow, it's comletely different from what I had before.
[22:06] <MobileRoey> interesting.
[22:06] <valorie> oh, awesome
[22:06] <MobileRoey> thanks!!!!!
[22:06] <valorie> I wonder, did you still have kdm and/or lightdm installed?
[22:06] <MobileRoey> agagin so the olution was to upgrade from the stock Vivid plasma 5.2 -> PPA 5.3
[22:06] <MobileRoey> I think I had lightdm before
[22:06] <valorie> this was a problem for me at some point
[22:06] <MobileRoey> what was, specifically?
[22:07] <valorie> and for most, it was not, but for awhile while I was running Plasma 5 in 14.10, I would get weird logins
[22:07] <valorie> uninstalling lightdm and then kdm fixed it for me
[22:07] <valorie> I have no clue how I even had kdm
[22:07] <valorie> I don't remember using that since like kde3 days
[22:08] <MobileRoey> ugh
[22:08] <MobileRoey> btw
[22:08] <MobileRoey> 5.3 just... stops...every so often
[22:08] <MobileRoey> grr
[22:08] <MobileRoey> for like 10 seconds.
[22:08] <MobileRoey> ah intteresting story btw
[22:09] <MobileRoey> I remember the mssive problems I had with 4.0 initially
[22:09] <MobileRoey> and really until 4.2
[22:09] <MobileRoey> and by 4.the latest, it is wonderful
[22:09] <MobileRoey> and polished
[22:10] <valorie> odd, it never stops here
[22:10] <MobileRoey> ok something is really annoying here
[22:10] <MobileRoey> it just freezes
[22:11] <valorie> I've not had any slowdowns because of baloo for many months
[22:11] <MobileRoey> also, I tried dragigng a Pager widget to the bar and it doesn't do anything
[22:11] <MobileRoey> ah
[22:11] <MobileRoey> is it that annoying thing? I will kill it.
[22:11] <valorie> yeah, and I think d and d isn't quite done
[22:11] <MobileRoey> like I'll give you an example
[22:11] <valorie> use the menus, including right-click menus
[22:12] <MobileRoey> I type 'top' in a Konsole and hit Enter.  Nothing happens, it just stalls there.  All of Konsole freezes for 20 seconds.
[22:12] <MobileRoey> OH
[22:12] <MobileRoey> and of course,
[22:12] <MobileRoey> as you said, baloo is running.
[22:12] <MobileRoey> (when I finally do see top)
[22:12] <MobileRoey> taking 13% CPU tim.
[22:12] <MobileRoey> Die baloo die.
[22:12] <MobileRoey> will
[22:12] <MobileRoey> oh fuck 96% I meant.
[22:12] <MobileRoey> baloo_file.
[22:12] <MobileRoey> I WILL KILL YOU DEAD BALOO_FILE!!!!
[22:13] <valorie> language please
[22:13] <Hairo> ugh
[22:13] <Hairo> it never uses more than 50% for me
[22:13] <valorie> I like baloo, and I like the developers
[22:13] <valorie> and where they are going
[22:13] <MobileRoey> ok.
[22:13] <MobileRoey> oh wow there is a big difference now
[22:13] <MobileRoey> Roey:  thanks!
[22:13] <MobileRoey> Roey:  hey man, np
[22:14] <MobileRoey> brb
[22:14] <valorie> lol
[22:15] <Pandorian> any word on the kubuntu 15.04 fix?
[22:18] <gunndawg> Pandorian: which fix?
[22:18] <MobileRoey> ok
[22:18] <MobileRoey> now
[22:19] <MobileRoey> valorie:  I keep trying to add a Pager widget to my thing bar, but it never catches
[22:19] <MobileRoey> valorie:  is there something broken with the pager?
[22:19] <Hairo> double click?
[22:20] <MobileRoey> doesn't do anything.
[22:20] <Pandorian> gundawg, it doesn't work, period
[22:20] <valorie> can you add it via the "hamburger" menu?
[22:20] <valorie> I don't use it because I never use more than one desktop
[22:20] <MobileRoey> Hairo:  the icons on the bar move left an icon's width, then move back to the right.
[22:20] <gunndawg> Pandorian: it doesnt? I installed it and it worked fine. Which part doesnt work?
[22:20] <Pandorian> neither upgrading nor fresh install
[22:21] <MobileRoey> valorie:  hamburger? is this a command?
[22:21] <gunndawg> Pandorian: seems to work fine for most people. Though I prefer 14.04
[22:21] <Pandorian> gundawg, well i tried installing it fresh on virtualbox several times, and once upgrading it... and as soon as you install the virtualbox drivers it starts freezing
[22:22] <gunndawg> Pandorian: that could be an isolated problem with your machine. Doesnt means 15.04 "doesnt work period"
[22:22] <valorie> see the stacked lines either on your desktop or on your panel?
[22:22] <valorie> Pandorian: could be a problem with VB itself
[22:23] <Pandorian> gundawg, lol well ii heard someone saying it doesn't work on their machine either natively installed without vbox
[22:23] <valorie> I've heard that other virtual installs work great
[22:23] <valorie> so try a different one
[22:23] <Pandorian> valorie, that's what i thought at first until this one guy in this channel said he tried installing native with similar problems
[22:23] <valorie> Pandorian: I've been using vivid since beta one, and it works great
[22:23] <valorie> ok, *some* people have problems
[22:24] <valorie> most do not
[22:24] <valorie> look at the press
[22:24] <Pandorian> what's a good virtual machine software for kubuntu?
[22:24] <gunndawg> Pandorian: I installed vivid just fine as well, but like I said I prefer 14.04 for the moment and am not currently using 15.04
[22:25] <valorie> KVM is made for us, of course
[22:25] <valorie> but it's not very modern
[22:25] <valorie> !info kvm
[22:25] <valorie> ok.....
[22:25] <valorie> vmware and qemu are the others, I guess
[22:26] <Pandorian> yes definitely seems like a guest addition drivers incompatibility of some sort
[22:26] <Pandorian> until you install em everything works fine
[22:26] <valorie> that's too bad
[22:26] <valorie> that's what used to make it almost usable for me
[22:26] <valorie> I don't like VMs
[22:27] <valorie> sec
[22:27] <Pandorian> yes i'll have to switch around and run windows in VM instead
[22:32] <MobileRoey> valorie:  hey
[22:32] <MobileRoey> I found out the problem
[22:32] <MobileRoey> it WAS showing me the pager.  I had one Konsole open.  So Konsole was taking up the entire space of the Pager.
[22:32] <MobileRoey> Once I added desktops, I saw a HUGE BUNCH of pagers
[22:32] <MobileRoey> anyway now I have it more or less like before.
[22:33] <MobileRoey> why did KDE seem to forget my settings?!?
[22:33] <MobileRoey> (global aplication shortcuts, wallpapers, etc.)
[22:36] <_Roey> hiiiii
[22:36] <_Roey> valorie:  hi
[22:36] <_Roey> now this is from my desktop
[22:36] <MobileRoey> thisis from my laptop.  Laptop Roey, signing offf.
[22:38] <valorie> excellent!
[22:39] <valorie> so settings are now in ~/.config and ~/.local
[22:39] <valorie> your kde4 apps will still use ~/.kde
[22:39] <valorie> but we've moved onto the standard of config and local
[22:40] <gunndawg> I've asked before but I'll ask again as its been a week now I cant figure it out. Anyone else use Chrome and have really small font on things like tabs, favorites, etc?
[22:41] <valorie> I use chromium and everything seems fine
[22:42] <gunndawg> I guess I could start using chromium. I have it installed as well
[22:43] <_Roey> valorie:  ah ok.
[22:43] <_Roey> valorie:  how do I migrate settings over?
[22:43] <valorie> I'm not sure you can.....
[22:44] <valorie> well, I take that back
[22:44] <valorie> I was able to use my old konvi settings somehow
[22:44] <valorie> but ..... maybe because they auto-sucked them into the new place
[22:44] <valorie> which all apps should have done, but perhaps did not
[22:44] <_Roey> ok.
[22:44] <valorie> most are just text files
[22:45] <_Roey> yeah
[22:45] <_Roey> well I have the window stuff
[22:45] <_Roey> argh it's like most annoying
[22:45] <valorie> and in the past I've just copy/pasted stuff in
[22:45] <valorie> or just replaced the new empty file with the old full one
[22:45] <valorie> phone
[22:46] <gunndawg> valorie: upon researching both chrome and chromium I've been introduced to SRWare Iron. Know anything about it?
[22:48] <_Roey> so is this KDE platform 5?
[22:48] <_Roey> kde frameworks 5 I mean
[22:48] <_Roey> (plasma 5.3 I mean)_
[22:48] <gunndawg> _Roey: is what KDE platform 5?
[22:49] <gunndawg> _Roey: you say "is this plama 5.3" but what is "this"?
[22:49] <valorie> gunndawg: never heard of it, sorry
[22:49] <gunndawg> valorie: fair enough
[22:50] <valorie> _Roey: we've been using KF5 for almost a year
[22:50] <valorie> that was completed before plasma 5
[22:53] <soee> framework is framework, Plasma 5 uses it so the Applications
[22:57] <gunndawg> valorie: odd. I had Chromium v41.0.2 installed and the font sizes on tabs and everything was great. I updated it to v42.0.2 and the font sizes shrank again :(
[22:57] <valorie> bummer
[22:58] <valorie> !info chromium
[22:58] <valorie> bs!
[22:59] <gunndawg> lol
[22:59] <valorie> pfff
[22:59] <valorie> anyway, what I have installed is 41.0.2272.76-0ubuntu1.1134
[22:59] <valorie> so same as you I think?
[22:59] <gunndawg> valorie: that's what I had and it was fine, then I updated to 42.0.2
[23:00] <valorie> ah
[23:00] <valorie> ok
[23:00] <mparillo>   Installed: 41.0.2272.76-0ubuntu1.1134
[23:00] <gunndawg> Version 42.0.2311.135 Ubuntu 14.04 (64-bit)
[23:00] <valorie> I won't upgrade until prompted
[23:00] <gunndawg> looked fine on v41 :(
[23:00] <valorie> and gosh, it sounds like the packagers are hating on chromium bigtime
[23:00] <gunndawg> cant read my tab titles or favorites :(
[23:00] <mparillo> Ahh, I am on 32-bit, and maybe that is why the upgrade has not landed for me yet (I had just checked).
[23:01] <valorie> so dunno if we'll keep getting it
[23:01] <gunndawg> mparillo: I added the PPA and did an update/upgrade, it found a chromium update for version 42
[23:01] <valorie> you can purge the PPA
[23:02] <valorie> to downgrade
[23:02] <gunndawg> oh, how
[23:02] <valorie> !ppa-purge
[23:02] <gunndawg> I"ll try it
[23:02] <valorie> works like a charm
[23:03] <_Roey> valorie:  can I simply move the files in ~/.config/ aside and copy over the ones from ~/.kde/share/config/ ?
[23:03] <valorie> I wouldn't do that without comparing them side-by-side
[23:04] <gunndawg> valorie: alright that worked great. Back to version 41.0.2
[23:05] <valorie> \o/
[23:06] <valorie> that is one beauty of PPAs
[23:06] <gunndawg> valorie: albeit had to install ppa-purge but otherwise, worked great.
[23:07] <valorie> yes
[23:14] <gunndawg> valorie: looks like it didnt actually remove the chromium ppa from the apt/sources.list.d but instead just commented out the ppa (with a #) in the .list. Can I just remove the .list?
[23:15] <valorie> sure
[23:16] <gunndawg> valorie: but is that what ppa-purge does? just disables the PPA? or was it supposed to have gotten rid of the chromium entry in sources.list.d
[23:16] <gunndawg> trying to figure out if it failed to do something, and if its ok for me to clean it up
[23:17] <valorie> it just disables the ppa and removes the stuff
[23:17] <LogicalDash> I just upgraded to 15.04, everything seems fine except the uh, configurator for Telepathy accounts isn't accessible from System Settings
[23:17] <gunndawg> ok, but doesnt remove the .list file.
[23:18] <LogicalDash> I had to go into a commandline and use kcmshell4
[23:18] <LogicalDash> not 5 for some reason? idk
[23:18] <cyclick> wow they really screwed up with 15.04 ... I discover a new problem everytime I use it
[23:18] <gunndawg> cyclick: Aye, as did I. I rolled back to 14.04 for a few more months, heh
[23:21] <cyclick> this time I found out that they deleted my PDF/print to file printer
[23:22] <valorie> cyclick: please file bug reports
[23:22] <valorie> we actually are not finding that many problems
[23:23] <valorie> gunndawg: commenting out versus removing -- commenting out is safer, and non-destructive
[23:24] <gunndawg> valorie: makes sense. Thanks. Though in this case its safe for me to remove it, right?
[23:24] <gunndawg> valorie: I try my best to keep a clean file system. OCD if you will.
[23:25] <valorie> yes
[23:25] <valorie> if you now have what you want, it is non-functional and you can remove it at will
[23:26] <gunndawg> valorie: Interseting that Chromium runs 1 version behind Chrome. I guess when Chromium updates I'll ahve the small UI text again, hmm
[23:27] <valorie> dunno, I've never used Chrome as such
[23:27] <valorie> just chromium
[23:29] <cyclick> the print-to-file is not missing everywhere apparently... only when I print from a flash app on the web ... this is an example: http://www.aladdin-pmi.com/products/create-insert
[23:33] <valorie> please file a bug on bugs.kde.org as that has nothing to do with our packaging
[23:33] <valorie> cyclick: ^^^
[23:33] <cyclick> ok
[23:33] <valorie> thank you
[23:47] <cyclick> but packaging include the duty of selecting bugfree packages ... no?