[06:43] <PassiveLeader1> hi
[06:43] <PassiveLeader1> trying to get into #ubuntu says im banned
[06:43] <PassiveLeader1> Ive never done anything to be banned
[06:43] <PassiveLeader1> × You are banned from #ubuntu. Cannot join channel (+b) - you are banned
[17:56] <Alcyius> Excuse me, I'm sorry to bother anyone, but I just tried to join #ubuntu and it says I am banned, even though I've never connected to it before. Nothing I've found says I need to be registered so I'm somewhat confused.
[17:58] <k1l_> Alcyius: hi, we needed to ban the kiwiirc service due to konstant abuse from users from there (using a bug in the kiwiirc system). just connect with a native irc client until kiwiirc got rid of that issue
[17:58] <Alcyius> Ok thank you very much.
[17:59] <k1l_> on another note: do we want to make a factoid promoting to use apt instead of apt-get since its not that confusing with dist-upgrade?
[18:00] <k1l_> apt-get dist-upgrade = apt full-upgrade
[21:02] <valorie> apt full-upgrade is better; I recommend it all the time
[21:02] <valorie> to those who like cli
[21:04] <Unit193> "better"
[21:04] <k1l> most supporters still advice apt-get dist-upgrade which makes most users say "but i dont want to upgrade to a new release" which leads to a "but it will not upgrade the ubuntu-release" discussion.
[21:28] <valorie> yes
[21:29] <valorie> it's hard to tame the fingers to type apt instead of apt-get
[21:29] <valorie> worth it though
[21:29] <k1l> it got a progressbar \o/
[21:36] <valorie> I know, isn't it cool?
[22:06] <hggdh> they are equivalent; apt is more geared to the casual-to-the-command-line user
[22:07] <hggdh> so it is much more simpler to use
[22:07] <hggdh> I personally never use it, but only because I am so used to apt-get. I will try a bit more to use apt as opposed to apt-get
[22:08] <valorie> well, full-upgrade will remove outdated libs and such if necessary
[22:09] <valorie> I like it better
[22:10] <hggdh> OTOH, it misses an option to completely remove a package, including config files
[22:12] <valorie> agreed, I miss purge
[22:12] <hggdh> and, on the other other hand, I like the colour output
[22:12] <valorie> yup, color in the console is a nice change
[22:13] <hggdh> oh, apt list accepts wildcards