[06:43] hi [06:43] trying to get into #ubuntu says im banned [06:43] Ive never done anything to be banned [06:43] × You are banned from #ubuntu. Cannot join channel (+b) - you are banned [17:56] Excuse me, I'm sorry to bother anyone, but I just tried to join #ubuntu and it says I am banned, even though I've never connected to it before. Nothing I've found says I need to be registered so I'm somewhat confused. [17:58] Alcyius: hi, we needed to ban the kiwiirc service due to konstant abuse from users from there (using a bug in the kiwiirc system). just connect with a native irc client until kiwiirc got rid of that issue [17:58] Ok thank you very much. [17:59] on another note: do we want to make a factoid promoting to use apt instead of apt-get since its not that confusing with dist-upgrade? [18:00] apt-get dist-upgrade = apt full-upgrade [21:02] apt full-upgrade is better; I recommend it all the time [21:02] to those who like cli [21:04] "better" [21:04] most supporters still advice apt-get dist-upgrade which makes most users say "but i dont want to upgrade to a new release" which leads to a "but it will not upgrade the ubuntu-release" discussion. [21:28] yes [21:29] it's hard to tame the fingers to type apt instead of apt-get [21:29] worth it though [21:29] it got a progressbar \o/ [21:36] I know, isn't it cool? [22:06] they are equivalent; apt is more geared to the casual-to-the-command-line user [22:07] so it is much more simpler to use [22:07] I personally never use it, but only because I am so used to apt-get. I will try a bit more to use apt as opposed to apt-get [22:08] well, full-upgrade will remove outdated libs and such if necessary [22:09] I like it better [22:10] OTOH, it misses an option to completely remove a package, including config files [22:12] agreed, I miss purge [22:12] and, on the other other hand, I like the colour output [22:12] yup, color in the console is a nice change [22:13] oh, apt list accepts wildcards