[08:27] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:31] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[08:31] <knightwise> how are you doing today :)
[08:32] <brobostigon> not bad, and you? knightwise
[08:33]  * brobostigon has a few questions about ubuntu touch, and about the system upgrade process depending on the type on install.
[08:34] <knightwise> doing ok , just restoring my Surface pro tablet to Windows 8.1
[08:34] <knightwise> I need to do a prsentation on the cloud pretty soon
[08:35] <brobostigon> :)
[08:35] <knightwise> not obvious to restore it after you installed ubuntu on it :)
[08:35] <knightwise> brobostigon: your question about ubuntu touch. Is that on the phone or the pc  ?
[08:35] <brobostigon> ah,
[08:35] <brobostigon> knightwise: phone.
[08:40] <knightwise> ok , lets see if i can help you
[08:40] <knightwise> what would you like to know ,
[08:41] <brobostigon> ok, if i do an install into my nexus 4, ie, full install not dual booted in some way, will ubuntu touch versions upgrades work as normally.?
[08:43] <knightwise> i have no experience with that , i just bought the bq preinstalled :(
[08:43] <brobostigon> ok,
[08:45] <knightwise> but i do think you'll get the updates
[08:46] <brobostigon> ok, ty. but it has to be a full proper install?
[08:46] <knightwise> of that i'm not sure
[08:46] <knightwise> when i tried it on the nexus 7 , there was no dual boot
[08:47] <brobostigon> so you did a full install with phablet-tools?
[08:47] <knightwise> yep , but this was about a year ago
[08:47] <brobostigon> ok,
[09:04] <knightwise> sorry i'm not much help ..
[09:05] <knightwise> now I have to say , my first impressions of ubuntu phone are .. mixed
[09:06] <popey> brobostigon: yes
[09:06] <popey> if you install ubuntu touch on the nexus 4 you'll get over the air updates
[09:07] <brobostigon> but not in dualboot?
[09:08] <brobostigon> updates depending on which channel i choose as well?
[09:08] <popey> I don't know anything about dual boot, never done it
[09:08] <brobostigon> ok,
[09:08] <DanChapman> updates work for dual boot aswell.
[09:08] <DanChapman> wel the used to when i used multirom manager
[09:08] <DanChapman> s/the/they
[09:09] <brobostigon> ok, ty you both.
[09:19] <popey> I haven't charged my bq phone for at least 2 days. still 62% battery
[09:34] <brobostigon> :)
[09:41] <zmoylan-pi> haven't charged my nokia for 3 still 100% :-P
[12:47] <brobostigon> is anyone familier with trouble shooting fb's sms notifications,?
[16:40] <mappps> ordered a new portable charger..stupid connectors seem to have become a bit dodgy on my anker one
[16:41] <mappps> having to hold the cable while it charges is no fun;)
[16:41] <daftykins> sounds like someone does not baby their possessions enough!
[16:42] <mappps> pfft
[16:42] <mappps> i kept it in my pocket while phne charges its portable..for out and about
[16:42] <mappps> it works fine..just have to hold the USB cable in
[16:42] <mappps> which well kinda sucks :)
[16:43] <daftykins> aaah loving win10 so much, lovely fast UI
[16:44] <mappps> really?
[16:45] <mappps> running in a VM?
[16:46] <daftykins> nah on this spare quad core desktop i have
[16:46] <daftykins> http://techblo.gg/stuff/win10-10074.png
[16:46] <mappps> ah cool
[16:46] <mappps> how much ram?
[16:47] <daftykins> says right there
[16:47] <daftykins> ;]
[16:47] <mappps> ah
[16:48] <daftykins> super snappy despite some low end nvidia card
[16:48] <mappps> nice
[16:49] <mappps> not used it yet myself
[16:49] <mappps> was talking to someone yesterday still using vista lol
[16:49] <mappps> either use XP or 7..vista ugh
[16:49] <mappps> and obv now support's ended finally for xp
[16:49] <daftykins> XP should not be touched, nah
[16:49] <daftykins> plus i'd rather not see its' installer ever again
[16:50] <daftykins> still get people coming in #ubuntu after a suggestion on what to install on their ancient netbooks, amusingly
[16:50] <daftykins> i say bury the damn things
[16:50] <mappps> but vista?
[16:50] <mappps> pfff
[16:50] <mappps> i love my netbook;)
[16:50] <mappps> on it now:P
[16:50] <mappps> samsung nc10
[16:51] <mappps> perfect little machine..brilliant for travelling
[16:51] <mappps> use lubuntu/xubuntu/win7 all run fine on them
[16:51] <diddledan> the hampshire police had a thingie in sainsbury's which allowed you to sign up for some spam service they're offering. it was running vista.
[16:51] <mappps> heh
[16:51] <mappps> vista ugh
[16:51] <diddledan> this was on wednesday
[16:51] <mappps> i dont think i used it for more than a day
[16:51] <mappps> stuck with xp then onto 7
[16:51] <mappps> for my windows adventures
[16:52] <daftykins> mappps: you probably just have very low standards on how a machine should perform ;)
[16:52] <SuperEngineer> daftykins, nice to see such a closed mind at work - your comment re netbooks... you obviously have never heard of Ubuntu MATE ;)
[16:52] <mappps> pfff
[16:52] <mappps> :)
[16:52] <daftykins> Vista is terrible yeah, 7 was a great improvement
[16:52] <mappps> yea
[16:52] <daftykins> and in fact 10 is to 7 as 7 is to Vista, so far
[16:52] <mappps> really?
[16:52] <mappps> I#ll try 10 eventually..i've got the ISO dl but not got round to it
[16:52] <daftykins> SuperEngineer: closed mind? netbooks sucked when they came out, in the bin they belong
[16:53] <daftykins> (well electronics recycling ideally)
[16:53] <mappps> pfff
[16:53] <mappps> il have them all then
[16:53] <daftykins> mappps: probably the wrong version now, it's on build 10074 right now
[16:53] <mappps> il give netbooks a good home
[16:53] <mappps> yea will be an old build
[16:53] <mappps> wll grab a new build later
[16:53] <daftykins> definitely keen for it to go gold :D
[16:53] <daftykins> rumoured release of July apparently
[16:53] <mappps> what's gold mean?
[16:54] <mappps> production i guess
[16:54] <daftykins> yes, final
[16:54] <zmoylan-pi> i love netbooks
[16:54] <mappps> ya
[16:54] <daftykins> though in MS terms it's typically RTM - release to manufacturing
[16:54] <mappps> yay
[16:54] <mappps> what ne you got zmoylan-pi
[16:55] <zmoylan-pi> i still have my olpc and a hp netbook with a 14hour battery life
[16:55] <mappps> nice
[16:55] <mappps> 14hr is impressive
[16:55] <zmoylan-pi> slow but it just keeps going
[16:55] <daftykins> you need that time to get anything finished ;)
[16:56] <zmoylan-pi> well i can off load processing jobs to servers and desktops nearby while i sit in garden with decent keyboard and battery life.
[16:57] <zmoylan-pi> ultrabooks which were meant to replace them have gone nowhere.  the netbook has come back in a new guise as chromebooks
[16:57] <zmoylan-pi> even ms were flogging cheap windows laptops that were netbooks in all but name
[16:57] <daftykins> meh, my asus i5 sandybridge does 10hrs
[16:58] <zmoylan-pi> some people can't get by with the small screens and keyboards but for me as someone who uses public transport i prefer small
[16:58] <daftykins> that FHD Dell XPS 13 does 15hrs :D
[17:00] <diddledan> FHD: It's Flippin' HD Dammit
[17:00] <zmoylan-pi> that's what you said fhd :-)
[17:02] <daftykins> Full HD
[17:02] <daftykins> as sadly HD beans 1280x720 up :(
[17:02] <daftykins> beans!? means
[17:02] <daftykins> this keyboard is odd
[17:03] <diddledan> aye
[17:03] <diddledan> 720 = CHD aka Crud HD
[17:03] <daftykins> :D
[17:03] <diddledan> or NRHD : Not Really HD
[17:04] <daftykins> PTTTHD, pretender to the throne HD!
[17:04] <diddledan> or HHWGYMNHD aka HA HA We Got Your Money Now HD
[17:05]  * zmoylan-pi waits for i can't belive it's not hd
[17:05] <diddledan> speaking of which, you know butter.. I can't believe it's not "I can't believe it's not butter"
[17:05] <daftykins> :D
[17:06] <diddledan> and related, don't try to spoonerism the "Vicker of Dibley"
[17:07] <diddledan> have I spelled that right?
[17:07] <diddledan> vicar
[17:09] <daftykins> :D
[17:10] <daftykins> ugh i plugged my secondary screen in over VGA, text on here is so blurry XD
[17:10] <daftykins> them thar first world problems
[17:10] <daftykins> or 1.1 since it's Guernsey
[17:10]  * zmoylan-pi wonders if i can still get my mitts on a working cga monitor...
[17:11] <daftykins> think my old man's hiding an amiga one from my mum somewhere :D
[17:11] <diddledan> I've got a black-n-white cga monitor from an AMSTRAD PC1512
[17:12] <SuperEngineer> zmoylan-pi, hang around the electronics skip at your local recycling centr... you'll probably own one within an hour!
[17:15] <daftykins> my dads mate calls that place Meerkey alley
[17:15] <daftykins> er Meerkat
[17:15] <diddledan> meerkey alleys are where the dirty women live
[17:16] <diddledan> I don't mean dirty as in grubby, either! :-p
[17:17]  * zmoylan-pi remebers when dec in ireland threw out a skip load of alpha powered workstations.  word went out on the grapevine and a lad from the office snagged one onto his scooter... kids were hauling them away on skateboards as he left
[17:17] <daftykins> haha
[17:19] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[17:21] <shauno> I used to work in dec's old factory.  I took a peek around, but there's nothing left
[17:23]  * popey generates openstreetmap tiles for portugal for the lulz
[17:23] <popey> wonder how much disk space this will take
[17:25] <zmoylan-pi> cheaper than the roaming rates :-)
[17:27] <popey> exactly :)
[17:28] <popey> making my own little offline osm webapp
[21:51] <ging> didn't this channel used to be a lot more full?
[22:27] <Azelphur> Hey folks, I've got two raspberry pis that were given to me by a friend, it looks like they may both be broken though. I'll start off with the most functional one, It turns on, starts to boot raspbian, then just boot loops. I had it boot once or twice, but it froze after a few seconds. Any ideas?
[22:29]  * penguin42 assumes you tried with different SDs ?
[22:29] <Azelphur> penguin42: 3 different SDs, one of which is an official Raspberry pi one
[22:30] <penguin42> and different power supplies etc?
[22:30] <Azelphur> yup
[22:31] <penguin42> have you got a working Pi ?
[22:31] <Azelphur> nope
[22:31] <penguin42> hmm, neither have I - I just thought it would be good to test the SD/Powersupply etc combination with a good Pi
[22:32] <Azelphur> yea
[22:32] <ali1234> have you tested the sd cards?
[22:32] <Azelphur> I mean I have it on a 1A charger that was designed for the tiny TP-Link router
[22:32] <Azelphur> ali1234: nope
[22:32] <ali1234> there's probably a reason why you got given this stuff
[22:32] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea, he died :P
[22:32] <penguin42> how inconsiderate
[22:32] <Azelphur> indeed
[22:32] <Azelphur> but I know he treated his stuff real bad, so it's no wonder if it's broken
[22:33] <ali1234> test the SD cards first
[22:33] <penguin42> Azelphur: Have you got an SD card of your own you could try writing ?
[22:33] <Azelphur> nope
[22:33] <Azelphur> ali1234: how would I test them? :)
[22:33] <ali1234> put it in an SD card reader and try to read it?
[22:34] <Azelphur> oh
[22:34] <penguin42> yeh, checking you can do a full read   dd if=/dev/sdwhatever of=/dev/null bs=1024k
[22:34] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea they all pass that test obviously, I had to write the OS to them..
[22:34] <ali1234> second get a bigger power supply
[22:35] <Azelphur> ali1234: I tried them on my Bolse smart charger that does 2.4 on a port I think
[22:35] <ali1234> 1A is not enough for the original pi with a keyboard and mouse and HDMI plugged in to it
[22:35] <Azelphur> I have power, hdmi and sd, NOTHING else
[22:35] <ali1234> 2A should be though
[22:35] <ali1234> chargers aren't much good either, they sag under load
[22:35] <ali1234> consider that you only need 4.2V to charge a lipo
[22:44] <Azelphur> I tried a bunch of different ones, the ones for my Tablet, and even a USB Battery, none of them brought it to life
[22:47] <penguin42> I had heard the Pi was fussy
[22:47] <penguin42> but I don't have one
[23:09] <ali1234> sounds broken then