[00:00] <snele> ahoneybun: do you know who implemented breeze theme for libreoffice?
[00:00] <ahoneybun> snele: thank you for filling though
[00:01] <ahoneybun> it was on the bug against it somewher
[00:01] <ahoneybun> I know was asked to approve it lol
[00:04] <ahoneybun> Riddell: you know this personhttp://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/5892590742274048 ?
[00:04] <ahoneybun> blueish5
[00:04] <ahoneybun> *4
[00:46] <snele> ah ubuntu font is far better for my eyes than oxygen
[00:46] <Etriaph> snele: Confirmed your bug.
[00:46] <Etriaph> snele: Oxygen is good for titles and such, it looks nice at high px.
[00:47] <Etriaph> I use it for my H1 and Title in Writer templates.
[00:49] <snele> Etriaph: well i tried to use oxygen-sans on this fresh 15.04 install but they are very hard on my eyes (very thin and bricky) 
[00:50] <Etriaph> Ya, as a system font it's too brittle, loses cohesion.
[00:51] <snele> heh I am going to submit report "make ubuntu font default again" :)
[00:52] <snele> ;)
[00:52] <Etriaph> I think the font just needs to be tuned for lower screen resolution.
[00:58] <snele> Etriaph: yeah, in plain words, I would like to make it more fat :)
[01:00] <snele> well nice that I had finally time to test plasma 5, few bugs already reported :)
[01:01] <snele> good night guys&girls
[01:36] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: this is quite nice https://ubuntustudio.org/tour/
[01:57] <Strav> He. Just wondering: on the announcement about plasma 5.3 in kubuntu backport repositories, it says that we now should have the new bluedevil applet available and yet, I cannot find such package (All I have is the bluedevil 2.0~rc1 package from the normal vervet repository), anyone knows where I could the the new one (I'm actually having issues with bluedevil-monolithic after resume from suspend)
[02:03] <Strav> btw, I don't see any bluez5 package either.
[06:20] <soee> good morning
[07:04] <mgraesslin> Riddell: ping
[07:19] <mgraesslin> sitter: might it be that Kubuntu ships debug builds of kwin enabled by default?  see https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346959 - it crashes in a Q_ASSERT which should not be hit in a release build
[07:19] <mgraesslin> and we currently get hundreds of them
[07:20] <sitter> mgraesslin: yes
[07:20] <sitter> otherwise one couldn't trace the crashes
[07:22] <mgraesslin> sitter: that's a change to how it used to be in the past? We didn't use to hit that assert
[07:24] <sitter> mgraesslin: we've always built RelWithDebInfo, so supposedly the crash probably would indeed be the result of a change
[07:24] <sitter> *code change
[07:24] <mgraesslin> hmm, maybe RelWithDebInfo did compile out Q_ASSERT?
[07:25] <sitter> mgraesslin: nah, I always got phonon assert reports ^^
[07:25] <mgraesslin> ok, then we hit the assert condition somewhere
[07:25]  * sitter checks build logs
[07:27] <sitter> -DNDEBUG -DQT_NO_DEBUG -
[07:27] <sitter> interesting
[07:27] <sitter> mgraesslin: perhaps it is a build difference after all
[07:35] <sitter> mgraesslin: for some reason we now use QT_NO_DEBUG which should make asserts print-only, BUT looking at the ::fatal code it does not use assert but instead aborts whenever it gets into qt_message_fatal ignoring the define altogether
[07:36] <mgraesslin> I'm happy to have found an issue ;-)
[07:37] <sitter> well, I suppose someone changed it intentionally, I just wasn't aware it was changed :P
[07:37] <mgraesslin> as an upstream I would be interested in getting less duplicates ;-)
[07:38] <mgraesslin> we will have to either investigate  the bug now (after happily having it ignored for 8? years) or remove the assert
[07:38] <sitter> well, we can patch the fatal away like Thomas suggested
[07:38] <sitter> that would shut it up in the meantime anyway
[08:03] <Riddell> hi mgraesslin 
[08:03] <mgraesslin> Riddell: I wanted to ping you about what I then discussed with sitter (see backlog)
[08:04] <Riddell> mgraesslin: I don't see it in backlog, what day and what's the topic?
[08:04] <mgraesslin> Riddell: https://paste.kde.org/pav3am1mm
[08:11] <Riddell> mgraesslin: hmm, I'll ask shadeslayer if anything changed as he put together the kf5 build scripts
[08:41] <sitter> Riddell: pinguuuuuuuuuu
[08:41] <Riddell> hi sitter 
[08:42] <sitter> Riddell: did you actually put SRUs into vivid_archive git?
[08:42] <Riddell> sitter: I like to think so, what are you looking at?
[08:44] <sitter> Riddell: sruing dolphin loosing bookmarks
[08:47] <Riddell> sitter: did I SRU that? got a bug number?
[08:47] <sitter> Riddell: no, I am preping it for SRU and was wondering if you actually put the SRU changes in the archive branch or not
[08:48]  * sitter actually assigined bug to wrong package :@
[08:50] <Riddell> sitter: oh right, yeah I think I have
[08:50] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:54] <sitter> bug 1422469
[08:54] <sitter> madness that one, madness
[08:55] <sitter> Riddell: do we actually have a separate upload pocket for wanking wanker yet?
[08:55] <Riddell> sitter: not that I've heard
[08:55] <sitter> goody, less work \o/
[09:01] <sitter> Riddell: kde4libs stil lives in bzr?
[09:07] <Riddell> sitter: yeah I think so
[09:14] <sitter> except it is also in git
[09:14] <sitter> with a wrong branch name
[09:14] <sitter> wtf
[09:16] <sitter> Riddell: so, what to do with it?
[09:16] <Riddell> sitter: work out which one is currently used and kill the other?
[09:17] <sitter> bzr > git
[09:17] <Riddell> I always said so, glad you agree :)
[09:18] <sitter> I am not sure memory consumption victory is a good thing
[09:21] <sitter> actually
[09:21] <sitter> Vcs-Git: git://anonscm.debian.org/pkg-kde/kde-sc/kde4libs.git
[09:21] <sitter> ............................................................................................................................................
[09:24] <sitter> Riddell: I wonder if we should version glue the patched versions somehow
[09:24] <sitter> kde4libs breaks/replaces kf5kio<<patchedversion && kf5kio breaks/replaces kde4libs<<patchedversion && dolphin breaks/replaces kf5kio<<patchedversion & kde4libs<<patchedversion
[09:31] <Riddell> sounds faffy
[09:31] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion calligra 2.9.4
[09:31] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1451375
[09:32] <sitter> Riddell: yes, I generally call it packaging :(
[09:38] <sitter> patch parser is broken for some reason
[09:40] <sitter> last syslog line on qa.kubuntu is from june 24
[09:40] <sitter> wtf
[09:49] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: only the header is nice and maybe the navigation bar, but the content arangement is terrible
[09:49] <sitter> ScottK, Riddell: bug 1422469 ready for some SRU love
[09:52] <Riddell> sitter: wow a tripple-patcher.  thanks much :)
[09:53] <Riddell> sitter: I've set a reminder in my calender for 1 week's time as I always do to check up on the status then
[10:59] <vip> hello
[11:01] <sitter> Riddell: k. I think I repaired the patch-parser cron, alas no way to know for sure with this crap :P
[11:10] <Riddell> sitter: why is there no way to know for sure?
[11:10] <Riddell> hola vip 
[11:10]  * Riddell blogs http://jriddell.org/2015/05/04/voted-snp-in-edinburgh-south/
[11:10] <sitter> Riddell: because cron logging on qa.kubuntu is busted, in fact syslog is busted, don't ask me how but it hasn't logged for like a year
[11:11] <sitter> also cron is crap to test anyway, so there's that
[11:11] <vip> Riddell: oh, you're from scotland?
[11:13] <Riddell> vip: catalunyan/scottish :)
[11:14] <vip> Riddell: i've been to scotland twice, my fav country (glasgow, edinburgh, around)
[11:14] <Riddell> thanks :)
[11:17] <vip> Riddell: been to spain once too, but not exactly, fuerteventura
[11:22] <Riddell> like going to Paris and only visiting Eurodisney  :)
[11:22] <vip> yeah
[11:22] <vip> "been to spain, never left hotel"
[11:22]  * vip left
[11:29] <sitter> "only" visitng eurodisney
[11:36] <Riddell> sitter: or LA and not visiting disneyland...
[11:44] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:49] <sitter> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10984057/
[11:49] <sitter> fun story
[11:50] <sitter> this patch is pissing me off as upstream phonon maintainer as upstream dragon maintainer and as k-n-h maintainer
[11:50] <sitter> oh and as qapt co-maintainer as well
[11:50] <sitter> good thing that was run by upstream
[11:51] <Sho_> Monday <3
[11:53] <Riddell> sitter: hmm that patch should be gone
[11:53] <Riddell> is it still around?
[11:54] <sitter> you added it april 1
[11:54] <Riddell> right but I should have then removed it
[11:54] <sitter> not in git you didnt
[11:56] <Riddell> sitter: sorry about that, remove it now from kubuntu_vivid_backports
[12:01] <sitter> どうも
[12:01] <Riddell> removed
[12:06] <ScottK> sitter: Could you (or did you) look for legacy code paths that might break when you fix dolphin?  http://codesearch.debian.net/ comes to mind as a resource to do so.
[12:08] <sitter> ah, I did not know codesearch.debian was a thing
[12:09] <sitter> uh uh
[12:09] <sitter> ScottK: lancelot will need adjustment as well
[12:10] <ScottK> sitter: Handy thing, isn't it.
[12:10] <sitter> actually
[12:10] <sitter> lancelot wasn't ported anyway
[12:10] <sitter> so all should be good
[12:10] <sitter> ScottK: indeed
[12:11] <ScottK> I'm confused.  Does lancelot need to be patched or not?
[12:11] <sitter> ScottK: it does not
[12:11] <ScottK> OK.
[12:11] <ScottK> Anything else?
[12:11]  * sitter forgot that debian has ancientversions :P
[12:15] <sitter> ScottK: kdenlive needs adjustments though
[12:16] <sitter> not blocking though IMHO, it attempts to automatically add its projects folder to the places list
[12:16] <ScottK> OK.  Let me know when you have that up and when you're through checking stuff.
[12:16] <sitter> aye
[12:44] <Riddell> ScottK: sru love for bug 1451424
[12:47] <soee> on g+ there is post with 25min length Kubutnu 15.04 review video
[12:47] <Riddell> ooh
[12:58] <ScottK> Riddell: Done.  Took care of kfilemetadata-kf5, libqapt, and muon while I was there.
[12:58] <Riddell> ooh thanks ScottK :)
[13:03] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm something funny going on with that ksnakeduel package, sorry I'll fix that up
[13:03] <ScottK> OK.
[13:03] <ScottK> Riddell: Also, there's several Kubuntu packages waiting verification: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[13:04] <Riddell> yep I've a few in my todo today
[13:05] <ScottK> quassel is probably the most important.
[13:06] <ScottK> Just released modemmanager-qt and policykit-1
[13:18] <ScottK> Riddell: ksnakeduel accepted again.
[13:23] <sitter> hm
[13:23] <sitter> we still hav ethe old version of kdenlive
[13:23]  * sitter makes up random patch \o/
[13:30] <Riddell>  /top
[13:39] <sitter> who wants the honors of having their name in the reviewed-by field? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10984526/
[13:41] <Riddell> Sput: do you have a test case I can use to verify bug 1448911 ? (I may have asked you this before)
[13:44] <sitter> Riddell: revu plz http://paste.ubuntu.com/10984526/
[13:45] <Riddell> sitter: KStandardDirs().localxdgdatadir() returns ~/.local or ~/.local/share ?
[13:49] <Riddell> with share says http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html
[13:50] <Riddell> sitter: looks fine then for my ack if you can't wait for upstream to ack it
[13:51] <sitter> always with share
[13:51] <sitter> ScottK: any objections to holding back the kdenlive upload until upstream approves the patch and moving ahead on the other stuff?
[13:52] <sitter> kdenlive's regression is of the almost not noticable kind
[13:52] <ScottK> Yeah, but we sort of promise zero regression in -updates.
[13:53] <ScottK> I'd rather do them all together.  The waiting on upstream part I'll leave to your discretion.
[13:53] <Riddell> "Cannot join to channel #quassel-dev (You must be invited)"  Sput the elitest :)
[14:13] <sitter> ah well let's just land it
[14:16] <Riddell> sitter: no bluedevil packages in kubuntu-ci any more? I don't know how to verify bug 1448929
[14:17] <sitter> you can thank the touch team for that :P
[14:18] <sitter> Riddell: I'll verify with one of my other broken systems
[14:18] <Riddell> thanks sitter 
[14:18] <sitter> the bluedevil verification is noop anyway as far as the ui is concerned, more of a debugging measure that is
[14:19] <sitter> m,h
[14:19] <sitter> Riddell: that just reminded me that we need to port software-properties to polkit ...
[14:19] <sitter> or you know, rewrite software-properties in some muon scope
[14:20] <Riddell> sitter: meh the gtk side also needs rewritten
[14:22] <sitter> Riddell: no, gtk side is already ported
[14:22] <sitter> in fact I wrote the polkit support thing
[14:22] <sitter> I just never ported our UI to it becasue I think the landing took so long that I moved on to other projects or something
[14:22] <sitter> or python just annoyed me too much
[14:22] <sitter> one of the two
[14:22] <sitter> or both
[14:23] <Sput> Riddell: the dev channel is completely dead anyway; you'll reach all the relevant people best in #quassel directly
[14:23] <Sput> Riddell: if you have a test case for the timezone issue (the previous fix), you can extend this for the latter one by just restarting your psql database while quassel is running and see if timezones are still working
[14:26] <Riddell> Sput: does this work on the monolithian quassel or only on the split one?
[14:27] <Sput> Riddell: the monolithic one doesn't use psql, so both issues are not present there
[14:27] <Riddell> gotcha
[14:27] <Sput> I can't think of a more obvious way of testing this, short of adding a debug message and parsing output :/
[14:29] <Sput> (or trace the commands sent to psql, if there's an easy way to do this)
[14:30] <sitter> that muon changes dialog is really very shitty
[14:30] <sitter> makes me wanna rip out my eyes
[14:32] <sitter> Riddell: qapt verified working
[14:32]  * sitter wonders why docker-lxc-1.6 is held
[14:32] <sitter> :S
[14:48] <Riddell> am I alive?
[14:49] <murthy> hi
[14:50] <Riddell> phew, silly screen session
[14:51] <ScottK> At least wily is short to type.
[14:52] <Riddell> ScottK: ooh?
[14:52] <ScottK> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1468
[14:52] <shadeslayer> neato :D
[14:53] <Riddell> "skilled at gaining an advantage, especially deceitfully." says google.  mmm.
[14:53] <yofel> hm, I was almost right guessing it would be a wolf ^^
[14:56] <ScottK> sitter: Isn't Kf5 supposed to have stable ABI and doesn't the kio change break that?
[15:12] <sitter> ScottK: kfileplacessharedbookmarks wasn't part of the ABI
[15:12] <ScottK> OK.
[15:13] <sitter> was purely used internally to sort of attempt to sync the dom trees of the legacy file with the new file
[15:14] <sitter> which is where form what I understand is the problem, you'd have two things (kdelibs4 and kio5) attempt to sync up the trees and then get in each others way as they are not aware of one anothers attempt to sync
[15:19] <ScottK> sitter: OK.  Accepted.
[15:19] <sitter> thanks
[15:28] <ScottK> yw
[15:35] <Darkwing> wily werewolf? 
[15:36] <Riddell> like the Coyote but only when the moon is out
[15:36] <Darkwing> Lol
[15:58] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1448911 verified
[15:59] <Riddell> also bug 1182784
[15:59] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:02] <ScottK> Riddell: For quassel, I pinged the security team.  I think they'll copy it to -security from -proposed.
[16:06] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1434052 good with me too
[16:07] <ScottK> K.  I'll look at them in a bit.
[16:08] <Riddell> bug 1449472 is easy to test but I can't just now as I have next-staging installed
[16:08] <Riddell> !testers | bug 1449472 ↑
[16:09] <Riddell> also bug 1449583 for any useful testers
[16:11] <BluesKaj> Riddell, catdoc is installed here 
[16:16] <Riddell> BluesKaj: can you write on that bug what you did?
[16:29] <Riddell> waa, ktp moving into main means I need to add lots of breaks/replaces to kde-l10n :(
[16:50] <BluesKaj> Riddell, all i did was check muon 
[17:38] <soee> hey, Riddell what about teh apps ? :)
[17:42] <Riddell> soee: I uploaded kde-l10n today then uploaded again to fix overlaps which is the last bit
[17:42] <Riddell> soee: do you think they're good enough to go into backports?
[17:42] <lordievader> Riddell: How do I go about getting W-series? To test bug 1449472?
[17:43] <soee> Riddell: all the kio stuff works ? i see reds in raport
[17:43] <soee> Riddell: this 2 packages are marked to remove: libktpotrprivate8 libmarblewidget20
[17:43] <soee> first one is fine i thnk
[17:43] <soee> what about second ?
[17:44] <soee> hmm second to as there is libmarblewidget21
[17:44] <soee> so for both we have newer one
[17:45] <soee> kdelibs not in ppa ?
[17:56] <Riddell> lordievader: w-series doesn't exist yet
[17:56] <Riddell> lordievader: just test on vivid is good
[17:56] <Riddell> soee: second is fine too as libmarblewidget21 is there
[17:57] <soee> Riddell: ok, upgrading
[17:57] <Riddell> soee: kdelibs is there https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-stage2/+packages?field.name_filter=kde4libs&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[18:05] <lordievader> Riddell: Roger, rodger.
[18:07] <soee> Riddell: 2 errors related top locales
[18:08] <Riddell> soee: pastebin?
[18:08] <soee> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10985792/
[18:08] <Riddell> grr, kdenlive
[18:08] <Riddell> well spotted
[18:10] <soee> Riddell: ~ 60% updating, ended up with http://paste.ubuntu.com/10985799/
[18:10] <Riddell> soee: dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-l10n-engb_4%3a15.04.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa2_all.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-l10n-pl_4%3a15.04.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa2_all.deb   and pastebin output?
[18:12] <soee> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10985811/
[18:14] <lordievader> Riddell: Apt want's to downgrade libkf5filemetadata-bin if I run 'apt-get install -s libkf5filemetadata-bin/vivid-proposed', is this supposed to happen?
[18:14] <Riddell> soee: apt -f install  should tidy it up
[18:15] <Riddell> lordievader: do you have next-staging enabled?
[18:15] <Riddell> lordievader: probably you have some ppa like that enabled
[18:15] <lordievader> I have the backports enabled.
[18:15] <lordievader> Grepping for next-staging doesn't return anything.
[18:17] <lordievader> Ah, yes the package comes from the backports.
[18:20] <Riddell> lordievader: if it doesn't do anything scary you can downgrade but it might want to mess with your packages
[18:21] <lordievader> Riddell: Catdoc is installed by the way.
[18:23] <Riddell> lordievader: if that's using the version from vivid-proposed please report that on the bug
[18:23] <Etriaph> G'day folks.
[18:23] <lordievader> Riddell: Err no, it is the one of the backports.
[18:24] <Riddell> hola hi Etriaph 
[18:24] <Riddell> lordievader: leave it then, someone else can test it
[18:24] <Riddell> maybe Etriaph :)
[18:25] <Etriaph> Something crazy going on today?
[18:26] <Riddell> some wily madness
[18:27] <Etriaph> Anything I can do to assist?
[18:27] <soee> Riddell: -f install finished fine, will reboot
[18:27] <Riddell> Etriaph: if you're using vivid you can verify the fix in bug 1449472 from vivid-proposed
[18:28] <Etriaph> I have both installed.
[18:30] <Etriaph> How would you like me to test other than that?
[18:30] <soee> back :)
[18:31] <soee> Riddell: when trying to run kdenlive: Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[18:32] <Etriaph> soee: kdenlive running for me.
[18:32] <soee> Etriaph: 15.04 ?
[18:33] <Etriaph> soee: Yup
[18:33] <soee> uhm
[18:36] <Etriaph> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1422687/kdenlive.png
[18:37] <soee> Etriaph: yes but this app version is 15.04 from next-stagin2 ?
[18:38] <Etriaph> Umm, 15.04 with the 5.3 PPA
[18:38] <Etriaph> Nothing beyond that.
[18:40] <soee> yeah so you are on old kdenlive :)
[18:41] <soee> previous version also worked for me
[18:42] <Etriaph> Ah, OK.
[18:47] <ahoneybun> the core concept is nice though ovidiu-florin
[18:56] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I was just looking at the HTML source for docs.kubuntu.org and it is exported as all one line lol
[18:57] <Riddell> ahoneybun: that's meinproc's doing, the application that turns the docbook into html
[18:58] <ahoneybun> I was going to try out some CSS magic on it
[19:00] <Riddell> ahoneybun: html tidy is your friend
[19:00] <ahoneybun> no clue about that
[19:00] <ahoneybun> oh
[19:01] <ahoneybun> https://infohound.net/tidy/ ?
[19:04] <Riddell> apt install tidy
[19:04] <Riddell> not that I've used it for a decade, maybe it's out of date
[19:04] <ahoneybun> I'll try anyway
[19:04] <ahoneybun> better then by hand
[19:05] <ahoneybun> now to read the man
[19:22] <Etriaph> Is there anyway to install all of the KF5 development packages at once?
[19:22] <Etriaph> s/anyway/any way
[19:23]  * ahoneybun grabs some soda and gets to work on the CSS
[19:23] <Riddell> we don't have meta packages for them currently
[19:23] <Riddell> it's a todo item if you fancy taking it up :)
[19:24] <Etriaph> Riddell: Uh, perhaps, trying to get deps right now for basket.  I don't know how to setup packaging fyi, but will attempt to learn if it would assist anyone
[19:27] <Etriaph> Riddell: Although, you know what, I will if there's a list of packages to be included and a description of how to perform that work.  That way I can install the meta-package when available, and learn what packages I need at the same time :D
[19:29] <Etriaph> Can someone tell me if this is still relevant: http://askubuntu.com/questions/33413/how-to-create-a-meta-package-that-automatically-installs-other-packages
[19:31] <ScottK> equivs isn't really meant for that, but there's no use of equivs that isn't a gross hack anyway.
[19:31] <ScottK> It's as relevant as it ever was.
[19:32] <Etriaph> ScottK: Thanks.  :)  Now to find a list of packages.
[19:32] <ScottK> Etriaph: You can also use dpkg --set-selections to do the same thing in a less hacky and probably easier manner.
[19:32] <ScottK> See man dpkg
[19:46] <ovidiu-florin> HELLOOOOO
[19:46]  * ovidiu-florin just took down a concrete wall with his dad :D
[19:46]  * ovidiu-florin is feeling strong and tired
[19:47]  * Riddell looks impressed at ovidiu-florin's biceps
[19:48] <ovidiu-florin> why do I see 2 calibre in discover?
[19:48] <Riddell> it has multiple backends?
[19:49] <ovidiu-florin> I installed one
[19:49] <ovidiu-florin> and both apear as installed
[19:49] <ovidiu-florin> also this happened: https://bugs.launchpad.net/calibre/+bug/1451043/comments/2
[19:49] <ovidiu-florin> is that guy nuts?
[19:51] <ovidiu-florin> Ah, I've figured it out, one calibre is the ebook viewer and one is the ebook manager
[19:51] <ovidiu-florin> and they are codependent, I think
[19:51] <ovidiu-florin> I should be able to get the viewer without the manager though
[19:51]  * ovidiu-florin is lazy to check the dependencies
[19:52] <Etriaph> Riddell: Going to create the package, sorted out how to do it (I think); do you keep a list of development packages I'd have to add, and should we include -dbg in that list?
[19:54] <Riddell> Etriaph: I'm not sure what you mean by development packages?
[19:54] <Riddell> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-l10n-sr_4%3a15.04.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa3_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/sr/LC_SCRIPTS/ki18n5/trapnakron.pmapc', which is also in package libkf5i18n-data 5.9.0-0ubuntu1
[19:54] <Etriaph> Riddell: lib*kf5-dev
[19:54] <Riddell> :(
[19:55] <Riddell> Etriaph: the build-depends are different for every application, you need to look in the CMakeLists.txt file to see what it requests and test it with pbuilder
[19:57] <ahoneybun> Riddell: what do you think ? http://imgur.com/vM6Y9Re
[19:58] <Riddell> ahoneybun: looking nice
[19:58] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: is that also intended to be printed?
[19:58] <ovidiu-florin> or an eBook?
[19:58] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: not at the moment but I was thinking about it
[19:58] <ahoneybun> not sure how hard it would be though
[19:59] <ahoneybun> I'm trying to move that darn Next link oveer
[20:00] <ovidiu-florin> move what?
[20:00] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: you could use a generator for that
[20:00] <ovidiu-florin> there are projects out there for this
[20:01] <ahoneybun> the next link
[20:01] <ahoneybun> on the top and bottom there are 2 links to the next page
[20:01] <ahoneybun> I'm trying to move them to the right
[20:01] <ovidiu-florin> float right
[20:02] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: the problem is I'm designing this as I go as I don't know that are my limits with CSS
[20:02] <ahoneybun> (low knowledge)
[20:02] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: trying to find what to link that to
[20:02] <ahoneybun> what div holds it
[20:02] <Etriaph> Riddell: OK, you said you had a TODO item to create meta packages for this, is it possible to see the TODO online anywhere?
[20:02] <ahoneybun> Etriaph: https://trello.com/kubuntu
[20:04] <Riddell> specifically I was thinking of this one https://trello.com/c/tQ32mxu6/25-sort-out-kde-meta-packages
[20:04] <kubotu> [15.04 :: Done :: Sort out KDE meta packages ++ ]
[20:04] <Riddell> but I see it's marked as done so maybe we need a new one
[20:04] <Riddell> Etriaph: we have a meeting on wednesday to discuss the todo items for 15.10
[20:04] <ovidiu-florin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/calibre/+bug/1451043 only happens on the packaged version we ship. on the downloaded version from the site, this does not happen.
[20:04] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: ^
[20:05] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: how did it turn out with the meeting for 15.10?
[20:05] <ovidiu-florin> I haven't gotten to read all my huge mail threads yet
[20:06] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: scheduled for wednesday evening http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22508/kubuntu-kickoff/
[20:07] <ovidiu-florin> that reminds me, ahoneybun is our presentation scheduled?
[20:08] <Etriaph> OK, quick reboot.
[20:08] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: is the time on the epad good?
[20:08]  * ovidiu-florin checkes
[20:09] <ovidiu-florin> yes, that's ok with me
[20:09] <ovidiu-florin> how about rick?
[20:09] <ovidiu-florin> Sick_Rimmit: ^
[20:11] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: so the kickoff meeting will be public and live?
[20:11] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: sure, as always
[20:12] <ovidiu-florin> what timezone is that time shown there?
[20:12] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: want to wait till we hear from rick as he is the lead?
[20:13] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: UTC
[20:13] <Riddell> ahoneybun: um UOS is starting tomorrow
[20:13] <Riddell> or today depending on your definition
[20:13] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: ↑
[20:13] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: any idea about what is going on on the right side here: http://imgur.com/FAbC5Ii
[20:13] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: Sick_Rimmit voted that 19:30 is ok for him. So I don't know if 19 qualifies as ok for him
[20:13] <ovidiu-florin> I'll try and call him now
[20:15] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: yes, you messed up something. Can I see the code?
[20:15] <ahoneybun> sure
[20:16] <ahoneybun> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10986476/
[20:16] <ahoneybun> since there are 2 community roundtables going on thurs I might take it off to be in them
[20:17] <ahoneybun> what is "PLENARY" Riddell?
[20:17] <ovidiu-florin> Sick_Rimmit: will be here in a moment
[20:17] <ahoneybun> k
[20:17] <ahoneybun> 19:00 - 20:00 UTC is PLENARY atm ovidiu-florin
[20:17] <ahoneybun> on thurs
[20:17] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: please add your whole code here: https://jsfiddle.net/
[20:18] <Riddell> ahoneybun: group session for all attendees
[20:18] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: what's that?
[20:18] <ahoneybun> Riddell: so no sessions?
[20:18] <Riddell> sgclark: copying applications to backports!
[20:18] <Riddell> ahoneybun: there's a big talk relevant to the whole of ubuntu is the idea
[20:18] <sgclark> Riddell: thank you so much for your help :) I am drowning..
[20:19] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: what should it be doing?
[20:20] <ahoneybun> I don't think Kate/my computer can handle the HTML from the site lol
[20:20] <Riddell> sgclark: use a canoe :)
[20:20] <ahoneybun> oh
[20:20] <sgclark> lol
[20:20]  * ricktimmis appears Poof!
[20:21] <Riddell> hi ricktimmis, have you scheduled your uos session?
[20:21] <ricktimmis> Nope
[20:21] <ricktimmis> That's what I am here for
[20:21] <Riddell> well better hurry up, it starts tomorrow!
[20:21] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: omg I love that thing
[20:21] <Riddell> ricktimmis: have you made a spec and registered it on summit.u.c ?
[20:21] <ricktimmis> I know nothing
[20:21] <ricktimmis> WTF
[20:22] <ricktimmis> I have a diary entry for a Hangout on Thursday
[20:22] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: so what are out available times now for UOS?
[20:22] <ricktimmis> ovidiu-florin: just called me, so I think that is what we are about to discuss
[20:23] <ovidiu-florin> ricktimmis: yes
[20:23] <Riddell> ricktimmis: you need to make one https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+addspec
[20:23] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: I'm trying to read this thing
[20:23] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: which one?
[20:23] <Riddell> ricktimmis: and then here http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/create_meeting/
[20:23] <ahoneybun> the Summit
[20:24] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: weds 19 -20 UTC I think could have a spot
[20:25] <ovidiu-florin> ok, before or after kickoff?
[20:26] <ahoneybun> the way they are layed out it is hard to tell
[20:27] <ahoneybun> there is not like 19:00 - 19:15; 19:15 - 19:30 style
[20:27] <ovidiu-florin> I'm having a hard time understanding
[20:27] <ahoneybun> part of my problem with the css was the padding on the div
[20:27] <ahoneybun> look here ovidiu-florin http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/2015-05-06/
[20:27] <ovidiu-florin> there are several rooms where the presentations are taking place?
[20:27] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: I'm there
[20:28] <ahoneybun> seems like after
[20:28] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun ricktimmis Riddell let's have a hangout ahnd settle this? ok?
[20:28] <ricktimmis> Sure
[20:29] <ahoneybun> k
[20:29]  * Riddell is too tired for a hangout, applications 15.04 will be the death of me!
[20:31] <ovidiu-florin> join
[20:46] <Etriaph> Which paste do you folks use?
[20:46] <Riddell> paste.kde.org
[20:47] <ahoneybun> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22517/plasma-5-demo/
[20:47] <Etriaph> Looking for some advice: https://paste.kde.org/pzjm7qajz
[20:48] <Etriaph> Will the experimental libraries affect audio stability in any way?
[20:49] <Riddell> Etriaph: it's in libphonon4qt5experimental4 
[20:49] <_Groo_> hi all
[20:49] <_Groo_> Riddell: hey Riddell 
[20:49] <_Groo_> Riddell: can you answer me a question? 
[20:49] <Etriaph> Yup, I see the package, just wondering if having that library will at all cause any issues with desktop stability.
[20:50] <Riddell> Etriaph: no
[20:50] <Riddell> _Groo_: depends on the question
[20:50] <_Groo_> Riddell: when i installed vivid fresh (kf5 5.2), bluetooth kcm was MIA, then i installed 5.3, still MIA, now im at CI, still MIA
[20:50] <_Groo_> yes i can see it with kcmshell4 --list
[20:50] <_Groo_> but wheres the new bluetooth stack?
[20:50] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: check this out http://imgur.com/vM6Y9Re
[20:51] <Riddell> _Groo_: we can't package it because there's no bluez5 packages in ubuntu, it's a big failure of the ubuntu touch team
[20:51] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: https://jsfiddle.net/czg6w14r/3/#&togetherjs=gcVFff4wti
[20:51] <_Groo_> Riddell: but just to confirm, vivid was shipped without a bluetooth kcm?
[20:52] <Riddell> _Groo_: with an old/broken one yes, it's one of the notable failures in 15.04
[20:52] <_Groo_> Riddell: k, tks
[20:52] <_Groo_> Riddell: any ETA for bluez5?
[20:52] <_Groo_> Riddell: or its a nono till next release?
[20:53] <Riddell> _Groo_: I don't think it'll get into vivid alas, it was due in there but ubuntu touch team kept it out :(
[20:54] <_Groo_> Riddell: so, its there any ppa i can test? like ninjas, next or something?
[20:55] <Riddell> ahoneybun: now it needs approved by someone before it can be scheduled
[20:55] <Riddell> I've no idea who the someone is
[21:09] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: ping
[21:15] <Etriaph> Interesting bug: https://paste.kde.org/pgkbpq945
[21:15] <Etriaph> Cmake didn't like a folder named C++
[21:41]  * ovidiu-florin is off to ZZZZzzzzz.....
[21:55]  * Riddell publishes http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-applications-15.04
[21:56]  * genii digests
[22:24] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: we can take weds 1800
[22:30] <ahoneybun> Riddell: valorie this looks very good https://read-the-docs.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
[22:31] <ahoneybun> really like this: https://readthedocs.com/pricing/
[23:01] <valorie> upgrade today was very strange - upgraded, or not upgraded? https://paste.kde.org/p89tjek9v
[23:01] <valorie> ahoneybun: why does that look good?
[23:02] <ahoneybun> export to HTML cleanly, locaization, open source, links into LP, themeing
[23:02] <ahoneybun> and pdf, ebook
[23:19] <ahoneybun> valorie: http://imgur.com/F8AzA1Q
[23:46] <valorie> ahoneybun: well, we should be able to do all those things from the KDE wiki
[23:46] <valorie> except the theming, which we can do on our own server
[23:47] <valorie> I didn't realize read-the-docs was open source, since they don't mention it
[23:48] <valorie> I would appreciate a comment from some kubuntu devel on today's update - https://paste.kde.org/p89tjek9v
[23:48] <valorie> don't actually want to restart to see.....
[23:48] <valorie> still reading up here, while I wait