[00:53] Evening [00:54] We'll be starting the meeting in about 5 minutes [00:57] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-mi/915/detail/ <- Meeting notes [00:59] Lucid EOL announce. [00:59] First meeting in a post Lucid world :) [00:59] Yep. [00:59] Let's get started [01:02] So the first item is we're also in a post-penguicon release party world [01:04] I'm hoping to get the photos up online soon now. [01:04] But suffice to say it was quite awesome to see everyone out there. [01:05] Not sure if there's anything else coming up event-wise so if somoene has something please post it to the mailing list [01:08] That's all I have for now [01:08] anyone have anything else? [01:09] Will hold the floor open until around 10pm [01:09] but if not hope you have a great May. :) [01:10] tomorrow morning: http://ubuntuonair.com [01:12] oh, right [01:12] Ubuntu Online summit approacheth tomorrow [01:20] <_stink_> present! [12:00] mooing [12:01] moooooning? [12:01] moo [12:01] i'm counting down. [12:01] 2hrs [12:01] heh same here [12:01] window open with countdown timer [12:02] here's hoping for wraskally wabbit [12:02] heh [12:03] doubtful as warner would have a fit [12:04] the youtube window or http://itsalmo.st/#markskeynote ? :) [12:04] oh man, wraskally wabbitt would be hilarious [12:04] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22507/mark-shuttleworths-pre-uos-keynote-and-qa/ [13:17] Too bad Youtube broke my Logitech Squeezebox plugin. I wouldn't mind listening in via the Squeezebox. [13:18] Huh, apparently I can use it. [13:18] Interesting [13:19] cmaloney: cool, I saw something squeezebox related the other day and thought of you with it. [13:19] Heh [13:19] Something along the lines of "There's still people using this?" [13:19] :) [13:20] damn, I wish I could remember what it was. It sounded cool [13:21] I get angry thinking about the sad state of music players. [13:21] spotify and pandora on a mobile device is the exact opposite of what I want :( [13:21] jrwren: Try being the owner of a Squeezebox. :) [13:22] cmaloney: isn't it all unicorns and rainbows, because it works? [13:22] cmaloney: oh, it was the new synology that lmorchard picked up and tweeted about [13:22] rick_h_: Ah, cool [13:22] Yeah, they have SB Server support in there. [13:22] will squeezeslave run on raspberrypi ? [13:22] oh, squeezelite [13:22] jrwren: squeezelite will, but you'll want a new DAC [13:22] cmaloney: right, he got that ds214play and it does squeezebox support and streaming for your media/etc [13:22] rick_h_: nice! [13:23] cmaloney: run it through a TV? :) [13:23] damn shame about rpi dac [13:23] I wonder if beagleboneblack has a better DAC [13:23] or odroid C1 [13:23] jrwren: It's not insurmountable, but by the time you get everything in place it's almost as much as a used SB [13:23] Not sure on the BBB DAC, but it doesn't have an audio jack [13:23] so you'd need to run through cape or HDMI [13:24] cmaloney: oh. I wasn't sure. [13:24] cmaloney: its downstairs from me :) [13:24] heh [13:24] https://www.synology.com/en-global/products/DS214play#overview [13:24] BBB serves different purpose than RPi [13:24] BBB is a microcontroller computer [13:24] huh? [13:24] no it isn't. [13:24] RPi is the rebirth of the Sinclair ZX series [13:24] its an ARM processor just like rpi. [13:24] only diff is community [13:25] jrwren: Different design goals [13:25] right. [13:25] no analog out on odroid c1 either ;( [13:26] i wonder how hard it would be to use GPIO for that :) [13:33] Surely there's a USB dongle for that [13:33] https://volumio.org/project/ [13:34] of course, but like cmaloney said, then the price gets to about the same as other options. [13:36] https://www.hifiberry.com/dac [13:38] WAY too much $$ [13:40] Right. You can find a used SB radio from $150-$200 at that rate [13:40] or an old laptop. :) [13:40] DAC ICs aren't cheap eh? [13:40] Good ones aren't terribly cheap. [13:40] I think it's also the volume they're producing [13:41] eg: price might come down if there was sufficient demand [13:41] that is a card. I'm thinking, buy a DAC IC and wire it up yourself. [13:41] ICs are usually cheap. [13:41] That's an option. :) [13:41] all the 16bit DAC i'm finding are $20 range. [13:42] http://www.aliexpress.com/price/burr-brown-dac_price.html [13:42] Not sure if this is indicitive. [13:43] my listing request for WSU's ubuntu mirror has been "pending review" for over a month now :( [13:44] ColonelPanic001: You need to do something to change that [13:44] yup, and that is 24bit, right? [13:44] believe so [13:45] * cmaloney knows not a whit about burr brown DACs outside of they're _the_ brand name for DACs. [13:45] ColonelPanic001: I dont' know what Merit is like these days. 12 years ago they shut us down running mirrors pretty quick. [13:45] cmaloney: I alreayd just complained in IRC, what more can I do? [13:45] ColonelPanic001: Your work here is done [13:45] ColonelPanic001: also, wsu mirrors in the past had a 5 concurrent user limit which made it rather useless as an official mirror [13:45] (honestly I have NFC what else needs to happen) [13:45] jrwren: hm. We've had this one a while (and it's not something I'm doing on my own, it was handed to me when _stink_ left us), haven't heard complaints yet... [13:46] jrwren: pft, that is pathetic. Shouldn't be the case now. [13:46] blame _stink_ [13:46] hehe, maybe it is the same one. [13:46] we did change machines not long ago, right before _stink_ left, maybe the old machines were set up stupid like that [13:47] it was dumb - seperate machines for internal and external. The internal one you had to log into with your university creds. Can't have just anyone using CPAN! [13:47] <_stink_> no limits [13:47] <_stink_> anymore [13:47] I have no idea who thought that wasn't an incredibly stupid idea [13:47] ColonelPanic001: That's ridiculous [13:47] it was [13:47] no idea [13:47] <_stink_> tHOSE WERE NOT MY FAULT [13:47] it is no longer like that [13:47] Probably the same folks who think putting paper in the printers is somehow depleting university resources. [13:48] instead of having students put any ol' thing in there to fuck the printers up. [13:48] fwiw, the only limit I know of offhand on it now is apache's maxclients is 256. [13:48] because replacing a fuser every other month == better. [13:48] and I think it just has a 1GB card in there, rather than 10G like our ineternet connection (iirc) [13:48] (not bitter) [13:48] well now to be fair, printing is stupid [13:48] and people that print a lot should be punished [13:48] This was the 1990s when printing was awesome. :) [13:49] and people would print out newsletters with kanji / chinese on them. [13:49] it was never awesome, just more needed [13:49] I had some weird font thing when I printed a Bruce Schneier paper not long ago. Some char was coming up as a Tux [13:49] best printer problem ever [13:49] so someone would put in their resume paper and get boat-loads of Asian characters. [13:49] Print is dead. [13:49] iirc, it was a variable in a math thing, some greek char, too. So, technically, it still was sound. [13:50] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3v_ogRaTf4 [13:50] problem then was they would re-use that page until it was a sea of black. [13:50] jrwren: please come tell my coworker that prints stacks of her email, routinely [13:50] I literally went to a meeting where she brought her email, printed. [13:50] C&IT. [13:50] Anyone who prints email needs to be "re-educated" [13:51] ColonelPanic001: Gah [13:51] I agree [13:51] her cube is overflowing with paper [13:51] it's amazing, in its own wya [13:51] way [13:51] wow. [13:51] people still do that? [13:51] That's how you know she's a hard worker [13:51] she does [13:51] paper = productivity. [13:51] i thought it was weird when people did that 15yrs ago. [13:51] it was. [13:51] jrwren: ++ [13:52] psh, everyone know LoC is the true measure of productivity [13:52] rick_h_: that [13:52] rick_h_: is [13:52] rick_h_: so [13:52] when printing is free (at office at last job) , I'd print a paper from ACM and read it while I took a long restroom break at the office. [13:52] rick_h_: true [13:52] TMI? [13:52] yeah, the only printing I usually do is long-form stuff to read that's in PDF, because reading PDFs on screens blows [13:52] jrwren: That's before you had a tablet, right? :) [13:53] ColonelPanic001: To a certain degree [13:53] I use the tablet for my PDF reading [13:53] I have no tablet [13:53] well, no, I have one of the original Kindle Fires [13:53] cmaloney: I don't want to bring a tablet to the restroom, so no. :p [13:53] where PDFs still suck [13:54] jrwren: They wash off. ;) [13:54] i'm surprised by how little I use tablets. They are supposed to be this great thing and I barely use them. [13:54] meh, they have all the power of a laptop, without the nice keyboard, and my phone can be used for read-only for most things [13:55] my cheap phone acts like a tablet I can put in my pocket, basicaly [13:55] larger screen is nice. Pocket-sized for carrying around at all times is nicer [13:55] Yeah, same here [13:56] same. [13:56] though reading on the phone is problematic for anything that doesn't reflow [13:56] so that gets used for eBooks / ePub [13:56] luckily ebooks reflow [13:56] PDFs don't. [13:56] :( [13:56] and I print my read / review to PDFs. [13:56] huh? [13:57] yeah, reading a PDF on a large kindle or something would be nice, but not hundreds of dollars nice [13:57] Articles on the web that I want to read later. [13:57] oh man, it would be reasonably easy to write a browser plugin that is print to epub. [13:57] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dotepub/okpfiebkkmjcnodegbbbiellepfhoglm?hl=en [13:57] any good? [13:57] Just searched. [13:57] :) [13:58] something new to try :) [13:58] Apparently it doesn't do well with a lot of images [13:58] which is expected. [13:58] not really. [13:58] epub is html+css [13:58] image should be fine. [14:02] Well, it doesn't put the images in there. [14:03] someone wrote a poor plugin :p [14:04] Yeoman Rand died :\ [14:05] Yeah, sad [14:05] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IfgX-k7Hag the boss-man speaketh [14:29] no wicked wolverine :( [14:29] what is it? [14:30] wily werewolf? [14:31] wacky wallabe [14:31] descent dropbear === smoser` is now known as smoser [15:20] Will Canonical shut down all operations and liquidate after Z? [15:21] brousch: that's my retirement plan [15:21] :P [15:21] brousch: Not after aantsy aardvark [15:21] until after [15:59] God, Carly Fiorina is running for president [16:48] who? [16:49] former HP CEO [16:49] many techies feel that she ruined the company. [16:50] sounds perfect then [16:56] i don't know why these CEOs bother. Has a CEO ever been elected president? [16:57] so stupid they cannot learn from history. If Perot couldn't do it, you can't either :p [17:05] jrwren: hah [17:15] cmaloney: jrwren ColonelPanic001 : http://carlyfiorina.org/ [17:15] trust me [17:16] yup. [17:16] 20,000 or 30,000 smileys. [17:16] if you go to the bottom: [17:16] That's 30,000 people she laid off. People with families. And what does she say she would have done differently? [17:17] "I would have done them all faster." [17:17] —Carly Fiorina [17:17] whoa... if I read that right, microsoft just announced an openstack competitor. You can run your own azure in your own DC [17:17] jrwren: yea, pretty much [18:38] ok, here we go https://plus.google.com/collection/451AQ [18:39] heh [18:40] it's almost like the blog you always wanted. :) [18:40] heh guess so [18:40] so split my world up into 4 collections. Now folks can follow the rick they want to and I'll definitely start posting more [18:48] Nice. :) [18:48] I did a little as well. Going to start using them more. [18:49] Never liked the circles for posting. [20:38] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10986592/ [20:38] seems legit. [20:39] From an address with sigaint.org [20:39] Which apparently is an onion remailing service. [20:39] Yeah, no. [20:40] why wouldn't someone doing bitcoin wallet escrow NOT send recruiting emails via a remailer? [20:40] all seems legit to me ;) [20:41] I don't think there's a non-preopsition word in there that doesn't raise a red flag. [20:41] I'm actually surprised you got a remailer message through your spam filter [20:42] It has a SPF record [20:42] so it worked. [20:42] Looks like I'll have to put in a special rule to block that domain