[00:53] <cmaloney> Evening
[00:54] <cmaloney> We'll be starting the meeting in about 5 minutes
[00:57] <cmaloney> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-mi/915/detail/ <- Meeting notes
[00:59] <jrwren> Lucid EOL announce.
[00:59] <jrwren> First meeting in a post Lucid world :)
[00:59] <cmaloney> Yep.
[00:59] <cmaloney> Let's get started
[01:02] <cmaloney> So the first item is we're also in a post-penguicon release party world
[01:04] <cmaloney> I'm hoping to get the photos up online soon now.
[01:04] <cmaloney> But suffice to say it was quite awesome to see everyone out there.
[01:05] <cmaloney> Not sure if there's anything else coming up event-wise so if somoene has something please post it to the mailing list
[01:08] <cmaloney> That's all I have for now
[01:08] <cmaloney> anyone have anything else?
[01:09] <cmaloney> Will hold the floor open until around 10pm
[01:09] <cmaloney> but if not hope you have a great May. :)
[01:10] <jrwren> tomorrow morning: http://ubuntuonair.com
[01:12] <cmaloney> oh, right
[01:12] <cmaloney> Ubuntu Online summit approacheth tomorrow
[01:20] <_stink_> present!
[12:00] <cmaloney> mooing
[12:01] <rick_h_> moooooning?
[12:01] <cmaloney> moo
[12:01] <jrwren> i'm counting down.
[12:01] <jrwren> 2hrs
[12:01] <rick_h_> heh same here
[12:01] <rick_h_> window open with countdown timer
[12:02] <rick_h_> here's hoping for wraskally wabbit
[12:02] <cmaloney> heh
[12:03] <cmaloney> doubtful as warner would have a fit
[12:04] <jrwren> the youtube window or http://itsalmo.st/#markskeynote ? :)
[12:04] <jrwren> oh man, wraskally wabbitt would be hilarious
[12:04] <rick_h_> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22507/mark-shuttleworths-pre-uos-keynote-and-qa/
[13:17] <cmaloney> Too bad Youtube broke my Logitech Squeezebox plugin. I wouldn't mind listening in via the Squeezebox.
[13:18] <cmaloney> Huh, apparently I can use it.
[13:18] <cmaloney> Interesting
[13:19] <rick_h_> cmaloney: cool, I saw something squeezebox related the other day and thought of you with it.
[13:19] <cmaloney> Heh
[13:19] <cmaloney> Something along the lines of "There's still people using this?"
[13:19] <rick_h_> :)
[13:20] <rick_h_> damn, I wish I could remember what it was. It sounded cool
[13:21] <jrwren> I get angry thinking about the sad state of music players.
[13:21] <jrwren> spotify and pandora on a mobile device is the exact opposite of what I want :(
[13:21] <cmaloney> jrwren: Try being the owner of a Squeezebox. :)
[13:22] <jrwren> cmaloney: isn't it all unicorns and rainbows, because it works?
[13:22] <rick_h_> cmaloney: oh, it was the new synology that lmorchard picked up and tweeted about
[13:22] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Ah, cool
[13:22] <cmaloney> Yeah, they have SB Server support in there.
[13:22] <jrwren> will squeezeslave run on raspberrypi ?
[13:22] <jrwren> oh, squeezelite
[13:22] <cmaloney> jrwren: squeezelite will, but you'll want a new DAC
[13:22] <rick_h_> cmaloney: right, he got that ds214play and it does squeezebox support and streaming for your media/etc
[13:22] <cmaloney> rick_h_: nice!
[13:23] <jrwren> cmaloney: run it through a TV? :)
[13:23] <jrwren> damn shame about rpi dac
[13:23] <jrwren> I wonder if beagleboneblack has a better DAC
[13:23] <jrwren> or odroid C1
[13:23] <cmaloney> jrwren: It's not insurmountable, but by the time you get everything in place it's almost as much as a used SB
[13:23] <cmaloney> Not sure on the BBB DAC, but it doesn't have an audio jack
[13:23] <cmaloney> so you'd need to run through cape or HDMI
[13:24] <jrwren> cmaloney: oh. I wasn't sure.
[13:24] <jrwren> cmaloney: its downstairs from me :)
[13:24] <cmaloney> heh
[13:24] <rick_h_> https://www.synology.com/en-global/products/DS214play#overview
[13:24] <cmaloney> BBB serves different purpose than RPi
[13:24] <cmaloney> BBB is a microcontroller computer
[13:24] <jrwren> huh?
[13:24] <jrwren> no it isn't.
[13:24] <cmaloney> RPi is the rebirth of the Sinclair ZX series
[13:24] <jrwren> its an ARM processor just like rpi.
[13:24] <jrwren> only diff is community
[13:25] <cmaloney> jrwren: Different design goals
[13:25] <jrwren> right.
[13:25] <jrwren> no analog out on odroid c1 either ;(
[13:26] <jrwren> i wonder how hard it would be to use GPIO for that :)
[13:33] <brousch> Surely there's a USB dongle for that
[13:33] <cmaloney> https://volumio.org/project/
[13:34] <jrwren> of course, but like cmaloney said, then the price gets to about the same as other options.
[13:36] <cmaloney> https://www.hifiberry.com/dac
[13:38] <jrwren> WAY too much $$
[13:40] <cmaloney> Right. You can find a used SB radio from $150-$200 at that rate
[13:40] <cmaloney> or an old laptop. :)
[13:40] <jrwren> DAC ICs aren't cheap eh?
[13:40] <cmaloney> Good ones aren't terribly cheap.
[13:40] <cmaloney> I think it's also the volume they're producing
[13:41] <cmaloney> eg: price might come down if there was sufficient demand
[13:41] <jrwren> that is a card. I'm thinking, buy a DAC IC and wire it up yourself.
[13:41] <jrwren> ICs are usually cheap.
[13:41] <cmaloney> That's an option. :)
[13:41] <jrwren> all the 16bit DAC i'm finding are $20 range.
[13:42] <cmaloney> http://www.aliexpress.com/price/burr-brown-dac_price.html
[13:42] <cmaloney> Not sure if this is indicitive.
[13:43] <ColonelPanic001> my listing request for WSU's ubuntu mirror has been "pending review" for over a month now :(
[13:44] <cmaloney> ColonelPanic001: You need to do something to change that
[13:44] <jrwren> yup, and that is 24bit, right?
[13:44] <cmaloney> believe so
[13:45]  * cmaloney knows not a whit about burr brown DACs outside of they're _the_ brand name for DACs.
[13:45] <jrwren> ColonelPanic001: I dont' know what Merit is like these days. 12 years ago they shut us down running mirrors pretty quick.
[13:45] <ColonelPanic001> cmaloney: I alreayd just complained in IRC, what more can I do?
[13:45] <cmaloney> ColonelPanic001: Your work here is done
[13:45] <jrwren> ColonelPanic001: also, wsu mirrors in the past had a 5 concurrent user limit which made it rather useless as an official mirror
[13:45] <cmaloney> (honestly I have NFC what else needs to happen)
[13:45] <ColonelPanic001> jrwren: hm. We've had this one a while (and it's not something I'm doing on my own, it was handed to me when _stink_ left us), haven't heard complaints yet...
[13:46] <ColonelPanic001> jrwren: pft, that is pathetic. Shouldn't be the case now.
[13:46] <cmaloney> blame _stink_
[13:46] <jrwren> hehe, maybe it is the same one.
[13:46] <ColonelPanic001> we did change machines not long ago, right before _stink_ left, maybe the old machines were set up stupid like that
[13:47] <ColonelPanic001> it was dumb - seperate machines for internal and external. The internal one you had to log into with your university creds. Can't have just anyone using CPAN!
[13:47] <_stink_> no limits
[13:47] <_stink_> anymore
[13:47] <ColonelPanic001> I have no idea who thought that wasn't an incredibly stupid idea
[13:47] <cmaloney> ColonelPanic001:  That's ridiculous
[13:47] <ColonelPanic001> it was
[13:47] <ColonelPanic001> no idea
[13:47] <_stink_> tHOSE WERE NOT MY FAULT
[13:47] <ColonelPanic001> it is no longer like that
[13:47] <cmaloney> Probably the same folks who think putting paper in the printers is somehow depleting university resources.
[13:48] <cmaloney> instead of having students put any ol' thing in there to fuck the printers up.
[13:48] <ColonelPanic001> fwiw, the only limit I know of offhand on it now is apache's maxclients is 256.
[13:48] <cmaloney> because replacing a fuser every other month == better.
[13:48] <ColonelPanic001> and I think it just has a 1GB card in there, rather than 10G like our ineternet connection (iirc)
[13:48] <cmaloney> (not bitter)
[13:48] <ColonelPanic001> well now to be fair, printing is stupid
[13:48] <ColonelPanic001> and people that print a lot should be punished
[13:48] <cmaloney> This was the 1990s when printing was awesome. :)
[13:49] <cmaloney> and people would print out newsletters with kanji / chinese on them.
[13:49] <ColonelPanic001> it was never awesome, just more needed
[13:49] <ColonelPanic001> I had some weird font thing when I printed a Bruce Schneier paper not long ago. Some char was coming up as a Tux
[13:49] <ColonelPanic001> best printer problem ever
[13:49] <cmaloney> so someone would put in their resume paper and get boat-loads of Asian characters.
[13:49] <jrwren> Print is dead.
[13:49] <ColonelPanic001> iirc, it was a variable in a math thing, some greek char, too. So, technically, it still was sound.
[13:50] <jrwren> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3v_ogRaTf4
[13:50] <cmaloney> problem then was they would re-use that page until it was a sea of black.
[13:50] <ColonelPanic001> jrwren: please come tell my coworker that prints stacks of her email, routinely
[13:50] <ColonelPanic001> I literally went to a meeting where she brought her email, printed.
[13:50] <ColonelPanic001> C&IT.
[13:50] <cmaloney> Anyone who prints email needs to be "re-educated"
[13:51] <cmaloney> ColonelPanic001: Gah
[13:51] <ColonelPanic001> I agree
[13:51] <ColonelPanic001> her cube is overflowing with paper
[13:51] <ColonelPanic001> it's amazing, in its own wya
[13:51] <ColonelPanic001> way
[13:51] <jrwren> wow.
[13:51] <jrwren> people still do that?
[13:51] <cmaloney> That's how you know she's a hard worker
[13:51] <ColonelPanic001> she does
[13:51] <cmaloney> paper = productivity.
[13:51] <jrwren> i thought it was weird when people did that 15yrs ago.
[13:51] <ColonelPanic001> it was.
[13:51] <cmaloney> jrwren: ++
[13:52] <rick_h_> psh, everyone know LoC is the true measure of productivity
[13:52] <cmaloney> rick_h_: that
[13:52] <cmaloney> rick_h_: is
[13:52] <cmaloney> rick_h_: so
[13:52] <jrwren> when printing is free (at office at last job) , I'd print a paper from ACM and read it while I took a long restroom break at the office.
[13:52] <cmaloney> rick_h_: true
[13:52] <jrwren> TMI?
[13:52] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, the only printing I usually do is long-form stuff to read that's in PDF, because reading PDFs on screens blows
[13:52] <cmaloney> jrwren: That's before you had a tablet, right? :)
[13:53] <cmaloney> ColonelPanic001: To a certain degree
[13:53] <cmaloney> I use the tablet for my PDF reading
[13:53] <ColonelPanic001> I have no tablet
[13:53] <ColonelPanic001> well, no, I have one of the original Kindle Fires
[13:53] <jrwren> cmaloney: I don't want to bring a tablet to the restroom, so no. :p
[13:53] <ColonelPanic001> where PDFs still suck
[13:54] <cmaloney> jrwren: They wash off. ;)
[13:54] <jrwren> i'm surprised by how little I use tablets. They are supposed to be this great thing and I barely use them.
[13:54] <ColonelPanic001> meh, they have all the power of a laptop, without the nice keyboard, and my phone can be used for read-only for most things
[13:55] <ColonelPanic001> my cheap phone acts like a tablet I can put in my pocket, basicaly
[13:55] <ColonelPanic001> larger screen is nice. Pocket-sized for carrying around at all times is nicer
[13:55] <cmaloney> Yeah, same here
[13:56] <jrwren> same.
[13:56] <cmaloney> though reading on the phone is problematic for anything that doesn't reflow
[13:56] <cmaloney> so that gets used for eBooks / ePub
[13:56] <jrwren> luckily ebooks reflow
[13:56] <cmaloney> PDFs don't.
[13:56] <jrwren> :(
[13:56] <cmaloney> and I print my read / review to PDFs.
[13:56] <jrwren> huh?
[13:57] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, reading a PDF on a large kindle or something would be nice, but not hundreds of dollars nice
[13:57] <cmaloney> Articles on the web that I want to read later.
[13:57] <jrwren> oh man, it would be reasonably easy to write a browser plugin that is print to epub.
[13:57] <cmaloney> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dotepub/okpfiebkkmjcnodegbbbiellepfhoglm?hl=en
[13:57] <jrwren> any good?
[13:57] <cmaloney> Just searched.
[13:57] <cmaloney>  :)
[13:58] <jrwren> something new to try :)
[13:58] <cmaloney> Apparently it doesn't do well with a lot of images
[13:58] <cmaloney> which is expected.
[13:58] <jrwren> not really.
[13:58] <jrwren> epub is html+css
[13:58] <jrwren> image should be fine.
[14:02] <cmaloney> Well, it doesn't put the images in there.
[14:03] <jrwren> someone wrote a poor plugin :p
[14:04] <ColonelPanic001> Yeoman Rand died :\
[14:05] <cmaloney> Yeah, sad
[14:05] <rick_h_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IfgX-k7Hag the boss-man speaketh
[14:29] <jrwren> no wicked wolverine :(
[14:29] <rick_h_> what is it?
[14:30] <rick_h_> wily werewolf?
[14:31] <brousch> wacky wallabe
[14:31] <cmaloney> descent dropbear
[15:20] <brousch> Will Canonical shut down all operations and liquidate after Z?
[15:21] <rick_h_> brousch: that's my retirement plan
[15:21] <rick_h_> :P
[15:21] <cmaloney> brousch: Not after aantsy aardvark
[15:21] <cmaloney> until after
[15:59] <cmaloney> God, Carly Fiorina is running for president
[16:48] <ColonelPanic001> who?
[16:49] <jrwren> former HP CEO
[16:49] <jrwren> many techies feel that she ruined the company.
[16:50] <ColonelPanic001> sounds perfect then
[16:56] <jrwren> i don't know why these CEOs bother. Has a CEO ever been elected president?
[16:57] <jrwren> so stupid they cannot learn from history. If Perot couldn't do it, you can't either :p
[17:05] <cmaloney> jrwren: hah
[17:15] <greg-g> cmaloney: jrwren ColonelPanic001 : http://carlyfiorina.org/
[17:15] <greg-g> trust me
[17:16] <jrwren> yup.
[17:16] <jrwren> 20,000 or 30,000 smileys.
[17:16] <greg-g> if you go to the bottom:
[17:16] <greg-g> That's 30,000 people she laid off. People with families. And what does she say she would have done differently?
[17:17] <greg-g> "I would have done them all faster."
[17:17] <greg-g> —Carly Fiorina
[17:17] <jrwren> whoa... if I read that right, microsoft just announced an openstack competitor. You can run your own azure in your own DC
[17:17] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, pretty much
[18:38] <rick_h_> ok, here we go https://plus.google.com/collection/451AQ
[18:39] <cmaloney> heh
[18:40] <cmaloney> it's almost like the blog you always wanted. :)
[18:40] <rick_h_> heh guess so
[18:40] <rick_h_> so split my world up into 4 collections. Now folks can follow the rick they want to and I'll definitely start posting more
[18:48] <cmaloney> Nice. :)
[18:48] <cmaloney> I did a little as well. Going to start using them more.
[18:49] <cmaloney> Never liked the circles for posting.
[20:38] <cmaloney> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10986592/
[20:38] <cmaloney> seems legit.
[20:39] <cmaloney> From an address with sigaint.org
[20:39] <cmaloney> Which apparently is an onion remailing service.
[20:39] <cmaloney> Yeah, no.
[20:40] <greg-g> why wouldn't someone doing bitcoin wallet escrow NOT send recruiting emails via a remailer?
[20:40] <greg-g> all seems legit to me ;)
[20:41] <cmaloney> I don't think there's a non-preopsition word in there that doesn't raise a red flag.
[20:41] <greg-g> I'm actually surprised you got a remailer message through your spam filter
[20:42] <cmaloney> It has a SPF record
[20:42] <cmaloney> so it worked.
[20:42] <cmaloney> Looks like I'll have to put in a special rule to block that domain